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"Zoe K. Huxtable: "I wasn't down with y'all enwurds till recently""


  

          

Apparently she didn't realize Black culture was worth a damn until she copped Low End Theory and the greatest hits compilation of Billie Holiday, in the last few years. Were Lenny and Lisa talking to her at all about anything during her childhood?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zo%C3%AB-kravitz-on-black-identity-and-the-role-she-was-too-urban-to-play_55a00cd0e4b05b1d029049d9



Zoë Kravitz On Black Identity And The Role She Was Too 'Urban' To Play
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Zeba Blay
Culture Writer, Voices
Posted: 07/10/2015



Zoë Kravitz has seen a huge surge in both her music and movie careers in the past year, touring with her band Lolawolf and starring in critically and financially successful films like "Mad Max" and "Dope." But in a new interview, the 26-year-old starlet has revealed the struggles she's had landing roles in the past.

In the August issue of Nylon magazine, Kravitz described how she tried to audition for a small part in the Christopher Nolan-directed "The Dark Knight Rises."

"They told me that I couldn’t get an audition for a small role they were casting because they weren’t 'going urban,'" she said. "It was like, 'What does that have to do with anything?' I have to play the role like, 'Yo, what’s up, Batman? What’s going on wit chu?'"

On her identity as the biracial daughter of stars Lisa Bonet and Lenny Kravitz, the actress said she has only recently begun to identify more with her blackness. Growing up, she said attending a predominantly white school made her feel as though she was "just as white" as her classmates.

“I identified with white culture, and I wanted to fit in," she told Nylon. "I didn’t identify with black culture, like, I didn’t like Tyler Perry movies, and I wasn’t into hip-hop music."

“Unfortunately that is what’s fed through the media. That’s what people see. That’s what I saw," Kravitz added. The actress says she has since gained more perspective on being black, and realizes that black culture is "so much deeper than that."

For Kravitz, introductions to important black actors and musicians helped change her perspective on black identity. "I got older and listened to A Tribe Called Quest and watched films with Sidney Poitier, and heard Billie Holiday and Nina Simone. I had to un-brainwash myself. It’s my mission, especially as an actress.”

Kravitz is currently filming "Allegiant: Part 1," the next installment in the "Insurgent" movie franchise.

  

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She's lucky...
Jul 11th 2015
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Typo corrections...
Jul 11th 2015
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Outside of celebs, I'm always surprised when black parents
Jul 11th 2015
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      That's real talk...
Jul 11th 2015
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           A good example is my dad and his connection to Puerto Rico
Jul 11th 2015
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                Word...
Jul 11th 2015
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It's a result of the mainstream myopia
Jul 11th 2015
2
I may be drunk she not this dumb lol, she just cashing in on being light...
Jul 11th 2015
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I am kind of cynical about this too.
Jul 11th 2015
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      It's the HuffPo though
Jul 11th 2015
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Paul Mooney's Wake up call strikes again.
Jul 11th 2015
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What do you call a Bi-Bi-racial person?
Jul 11th 2015
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Quadroon? Octoroon?
Jul 11th 2015
15
lol nah, she's just half
Jul 11th 2015
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my dad has two biracial parents. he's black....
Jul 11th 2015
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      8 thru 32 should be titled 'proof that the concept of race is nonsense'
Jul 13th 2015
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she's biracial?
Jul 11th 2015
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She's an heriloom mulatto.
Jul 11th 2015
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lmao. funny but true.
Jul 11th 2015
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lol
Jul 11th 2015
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With two half white parents, she probably has a claim.
Jul 11th 2015
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it dont sound right.
Jul 11th 2015
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I mean, if people can claim 1/4 this and that, she's literally half and ...
Jul 11th 2015
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      i think quadroon is 1/4 black and octoaroon 1/8th black...
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           Reply #24
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she's biracial...she's a biracial girl
Jul 12th 2015
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Bish, you aint blind.
Jul 11th 2015
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RE: Bish, you aint blind.
Jul 11th 2015
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:groan:
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honestly, i put 100% of the blame on her parents
Jul 11th 2015
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and their own isues they dealt with regarding identity
Jul 11th 2015
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Yup... but she is 26. There comes a time when you have to take ownership
Jul 11th 2015
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Who's to say, tho?
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      no way i could raise someone who thought tyler perry or hiphop
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           LOL. You'd be surprised...
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           Ionno..I hope she is being cynical or making fun of herself for being so...
Jul 11th 2015
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She's young but she should be commended for this.
Jul 11th 2015
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people on here would rather do the easy, snarky, pile-on
Jul 11th 2015
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Exactly....
Jul 13th 2015
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What did she say so wrong?
Jul 11th 2015
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RE: What did she say so wrong?^^^^
Jul 11th 2015
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Colorism/light-skin privilege are actual things that Zoe benefits from.
Jul 11th 2015
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Sure but what does that have to do with her identity issues?
Jul 11th 2015
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26 is hardly grown
Jul 11th 2015
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      except it is.
Jul 13th 2015
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^^^
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Attended a predominately white school ...almost never a good thing
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I had that for the latter half of my HS days.
Jul 11th 2015
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It can fuck you up if
Jul 11th 2015
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I'd love to show her my culture
Jul 11th 2015
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shes coming off like my last few ex girlfriends.
Jul 11th 2015
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wtf?
Jul 11th 2015
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lol
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      disagree. shes getting better with time
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           I meant peak age
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You have never seen someone look better after High School? Stop smoking
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      you have like...the shittiest comprehension on planet earth
Jul 12th 2015
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I love how people make issues of how someone lives or is raised
Jul 11th 2015
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I give a fuck about how people are raised because I care about
Jul 11th 2015
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except that doesn't really seem like that's the case
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      I'm talking in the abstract. This particular case doesn't really concern
Jul 11th 2015
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Thank you; leave that child alone
Jul 11th 2015
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Nigga shut up... lol
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I like the interview tho.
Jul 11th 2015
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Maybe it's just those snippets but she sounds dumb as hell n/m
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she never saw an old ep of The Jeffersons with grandma Helen Willis?
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She's so tied in to so much cultural Blackness
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      Agreed
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I wish her well
Jul 12th 2015
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makes me look at her parents all the way sideways.
Jul 12th 2015
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oh Snap! ! ! Her and Mos was doin the *Esctatic? ? ?
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      just google mos def and zoe kravitz
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           Good to see her hanging out with some black folks
Jul 12th 2015
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Wow....
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I don't see anything wrong, at least she learned later on
Jul 13th 2015
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Aka being black wasn't cool until the media made it a fashion statement
Jul 13th 2015
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Lisa Bonet 2015 > Zoe Kravitz 2015
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I want to live where she's a 5.
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Is it just me or is mom looking better?
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Zoe Kravitz 2015 = Alicia Keys 2003.
Jul 13th 2015
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She also said she had issues with eating disorders due to Lenny
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Roxie R died in 1995.
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Boogie Stimuli
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1. "She's lucky..."
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I was recently explaining to a mixed crowd how a white supremacist environment
not only makes white people view Black people negatively, but it also makes Black
people view ourSELVES negatively.

On some level, most of us have to do perform that same UNwashing of our brains.

I don't find what she's saying to be offensive, at all. When I look around at my
Brother and Sisters, I think Zoe's lucky, because her environment made it very plain
to her that she was, indeed, bamboozled... while so many of us don't realize we are.

Sure, we can say her parents should have talked to her about these issues, but they
didn't SOMEthing right, because she had the mind to see it for herself at some point.
Tough call for me to make, because I don't really know why they went about it the way
they did. I can't almost understand not wanting a child to have to think of themselves
as an outlier, especially since she said she went to predominantly white schools and
probably didn't grow up like the rest of us. Perhaps they knew that her 'nigga wake up call'
would be as gentle as this with well-to-do celebrity parents... another reason she's lucky.



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4. "Typo corrections..."
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>On some level, most of us have to perform that same
>UNwashing of our brains.

>Sure, we can say her parents should have talked to her about
>these issues, but they
>did SOMEthing right...

>I can almost understand not wanting a child to have to think of themselves
>as an outlier
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6. "Outside of celebs, I'm always surprised when black parents"
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who raised their kids in a white suburb, had them go to white schools, and hang out with their white neighbors are so fucking surprised when their kid has difficulties with racial identity.

Like if you're just jumping ship I got you, go about you business, but if you're even ostensibly trying to identify as black then you owe your kids some cultural investment.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
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12. "That's real talk..."
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>who raised their kids in a white suburb, had them go to white
>schools, and hang out with their white neighbors are so
>fucking surprised when their kid has difficulties with racial
>identity.


Word, and I think that goes back to a number of us not realizing just how brainwashed
or affected we are by whitecentricity. That's how you end up thinking you can completely
immerse yourself and/or your children in whiteness and (they) somehow remain a healthy Black
person lol... so many psychological levels to why that can't work.


>Like if you're just jumping ship I got you, go about you
>business, but if you're even ostensibly trying to identify as
>black then you owe your kids some cultural investment.


Most definitely


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14. "A good example is my dad and his connection to Puerto Rico"
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When my siblings and I were little he rarely talked about it. We only heard Spanish when he was speaking to his family on the phone, which was rare, and other than some of the food I don't recall really feeling connected to Puerto Rico when I was a kid.

Well when racism started to rear its head in my dad's career, he started to remember his homeland and all of a sudden he's upset that his kids don't speak fluent Spanish...as if somehow that was something that should have just been absorbed instead of learned.

Skin color and phenotypes are genetic, culture isn't.


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They have their exits and their entrances;
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22. "Word..."
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>Skin color and phenotypes are genetic, culture isn't.
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For the most part, that's true. It's definitely true in this case.

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2. "It's a result of the mainstream myopia"
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Somebody somewhere decides what aspects of Black culture will shine nationally. That is usually not our best and brightest offering, but something disposable or novel. Thus I understand how she might see the success of Tyler Perry and think that reflects Black cinema. On a commercial level, it absolutely does. Churches don't sponsor trips to see Dope.

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3. "I may be drunk she not this dumb lol, she just cashing in on being light..."
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almost white. She finally realized that she can't compete w/ the alt/it white girls so her best shot is to use her light-skin privilege to get cast in Black/POC projects. And as always lol, it's working...get money Zoe!!

I mean sure, her parents probly didn't raise her Black (imo, she's not Black, she just has Black grandparents) BUT ain't no way she thought Blackness in its entirety was Tyler Perry movies & hiphop (which is low key her shading a certain type of Black person so fuck her mixed race ass for coming for Black people).

Yeah, she could never sit @ my table w/ my Black girl friends but I know the field hands got her so she good lol.

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5. "I am kind of cynical about this too."
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I have a close friend who discovered their blackness when they started competing in Hollywood and began to really see how they saw them.

Good for her but this being news sounds like she is looking for more riles in black films.


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9. "It's the HuffPo though"
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Chances are they took that one excerpt from a whole interview with Nylon and made that headline worthy.

  

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7. "Paul Mooney's Wake up call strikes again."
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I guess she never listened to her dad's 'Mr. cab driver' joint.

I wonder if the parents, Lenny in particular, ever schooled her on her own ethnic identity. Kinda makes me wonder how Lenny and Lisa view themselves.

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8. "What do you call a Bi-Bi-racial person?"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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15. "Quadroon? Octoroon? "
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24. "lol nah, she's just half"
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quadroon = 1/4 black
octoroon = 1/8 black

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32. "my dad has two biracial parents. he's black...."
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as are his parents.

  

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81. "8 thru 32 should be titled 'proof that the concept of race is nonsense'"
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10. "she's biracial?"
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fuck you.

  

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11. "She's an heriloom mulatto."
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"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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13. "lmao. funny but true."
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20. "lol"
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fuck you.

  

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16. "With two half white parents, she probably has a claim."
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I think Terence Howard is the child of two half white parents, too.

  

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19. "it dont sound right."
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fuck you.

  

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21. "I mean, if people can claim 1/4 this and that, she's literally half and ..."
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half

There's this group called Quadron...

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33. "i think quadroon is 1/4 black and octoaroon 1/8th black..."
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>half
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>There's this group called Quadron...

  

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35. "Reply #24"
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I'm just saying if we can divvy it up into fourths, then she's half.

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62. "she's biracial...she's a biracial girl"
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17. "Bish, you aint blind. "
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always kills me when a light skin gets reminded they aren't white and they get offended.

sad part is the few times I have seen it irl the person always throws shade at Blacks while licking their wounds.

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18. "RE: Bish, you aint blind. "
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>always kills me when a light skin gets reminded they aren't
>white and they get offended.
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>sad part is the few times I have seen it irl the person always
>throws shade at Blacks while licking their wounds.
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yep, they are the people who are pro black when it benefits them but always talk down the race when they get a chance.

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23. ":groan:"
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25. "honestly, i put 100% of the blame on her parents"
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especially sad since it aint like they were both that busy with their careers

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26. "and their own isues they dealt with regarding identity"
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>especially sad since it aint like they were both that busy
>with their careers

  

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28. "Yup... but she is 26. There comes a time when you have to take ownership"
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She knows wtf she is and she has known it for a while. You get people like this who are constantly reminded by white and Black people that they arent white and they keep going back to the counter to try and cash in...

Her parents didnt help but like rd said... those 2 have their own issues

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31. "Who's to say, tho?"
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Granted, I don't know Lenny or Lisa personally but based on their public personas, they both seem quite aware (and decidedly) proud of their black lineage. I mean, Lenny's songs include 'Mr. Cab Driver', 'Black Girl', etc., numbers that speak of race quite explicitly. He's always talked about his blackness at length. Lisa is BFFs with the super duper pro-black Cree Summer and rolls with a group of mostly black women who call themselves "the Pirates". So, I'm unsure if L&L are just so conflicted about their blackness.

You can have the most pro-black parents in the world but if they place you in a rich, isolated lily-white environment, you're wont to have some degree of identity issues. As an adolescent, your peers tend to have more influence than your parents.

FWIW, Zoe's black "wake up call" must have been a long time ago because as someone who's close in age to her and runs in similar circles, she definitely been into "black culture" for a LONG ASS time. lol.

  

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37. "no way i could raise someone who thought tyler perry or hiphop"
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were black cultural barometers... not on my watch

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47. "LOL. You'd be surprised..."
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I've known several black people who were completely lost when it comes to the range of black life and the many facets of the culture itself yet had the most pro-black/"woke" parents ever.

Um...Porsha Williams, anyone?

  

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49. "Ionno..I hope she is being cynical or making fun of herself for being so..."
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27. "She's young but she should be commended for this."
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She's admitted to, and is trying to undo, her own ignorance. How often does that happen?

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41. "people on here would rather do the easy, snarky, pile-on"
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>She's admitted to, and is trying to undo, her own ignorance.
>How often does that happen?

  

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74. "Exactly...."
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29. "What did she say so wrong?"
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If you read the entire Nylon profile, you'll see the proper context of her comments.

Anyway, Zoe's no different from many other black kids who grew up in a financially privileged and mostly white setting. Their isolation from their people gives them a skewered view of blackness. All she's saying that she as got older, she began to see that her take on black culture was as warped as everyone else's and she educated herself to see what's up. That's all. I actually commend her b/c Lord knows that many other blacks (especially in our age range) are just as lost as she once was.

All this talk of "light skinned privilege", opportunism, n-word wake-up calls (she got those early, she reveals in the full profile, as a chubby black girl in a school full of Nordic white girls) and all that sound just like projecting IMO.

  

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34. "RE: What did she say so wrong?^^^^"
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well said!

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44. "Colorism/light-skin privilege are actual things that Zoe benefits from."
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That's not a projection at all, people just don't like acknowledging it or addressing its harmful effects.
I don't think Zoe's experience is an average Black girl coming of age story & there's nothing wrong w/ that...Further, 26 is grown as fuck so do better lol. She wants to learn more about Blackness/her heritage, awesome BUT don't insult Black people/our vast cultural outputs/our intelligence in the process.

As far as her high school experience, being around rich white kids will have you fucked up out here every time lol. Zoe Kravitz, chubby??...receipts are required b/c I doubt she was ever chubby. I know she suffered from an eating disorder tho & part of that is b/c holding yourself to white beauty standards will make you ill, literally.

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45. "Sure but what does that have to do with her identity issues?"
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Yes, colorism and light skinned privilege, in particular, exists. Both subsets of racism/white supremacy will always exist, sadly BUT in the context of Zoe and her racial identity issues as a teen, I fail to see where they come up?

(Sidenote: I think MANY of us overestimate "light skinned privilege". It's exists, surely, but is not as significant as often thought.)

As far as her age goes, she didn't say that she still suffers from such ignorance. She's just recounting her younger years when she did. If folks read the entire profile, they'd see the proper context of everything said. (FWIW, 26 is fully grown yet still quite young but that's all subjective.)

Zoe was chubby, bruh. LOL. She wasn't in the spotlight when she was but I do remember seeing pics of her as a pre-teen and she was pudgy.

  

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57. "26 is hardly grown"
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75. "except it is. "
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46. "^^^"
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30. "Attended a predominately white school ...almost never a good thing"
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56. "I had that for the latter half of my HS days."
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I didn't really think that much of it, though.

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58. "It can fuck you up if "
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It's all you have, don't have any positive peer black social intereaction and or your parents don't on know how or care to to counterattack it.

dude

  

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36. "I'd love to show her my culture "
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38. "shes coming off like my last few ex girlfriends. "
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bi-racial girls who finally figured out blackness

man

ive seen these women go from trying to be like Becky to realizing that the world is fucked up

from topsiders to UMOJA


good for her

side note...she looks better with age, ive never seen anyone look better as they age

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39. "wtf?"
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>
>side note...she looks better with age, ive never seen anyone
>look better as they age


also, she's only 26.


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40. "lol "
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>>side note...she looks better with age, ive never seen anyone
>>look better as they age
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>also, she's only 26.


yeah she's kinda at her peak as far as looks are concerned

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42. "disagree. shes getting better with time"
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Her mom did a similar thing, different being that her mom was fine young and fine old but in a different way

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43. "I meant peak age"
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that is to say at general peak age as far as looks are concerned for most people...
she kinda SHOULD be "finer" than she's ever been at around 26 but yea
this ain't my type of argument lol
hope u continue to find her more and more attractive as she ages

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48. "You have never seen someone look better after High School? Stop smoking"
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Drinking, sniffing or whatever it is you are doing.

That was a dumb ass statement.

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65. "you have like...the shittiest comprehension on planet earth"
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someone like yourself must surely forget to breathe, how have you managed to make it this far in life?

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50. "I love how people make issues of how someone lives or is raised "
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I mean, it's not you, why in the fuck do you care? Go outside and grow a plant. Wipe your ass. Paint some toenails on the dog. Sheesh.




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51. "I give a fuck about how people are raised because I care about"
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Black people. Yeah I give the side eye to black parents who don't give their kids some semblence of education on black culture, I also give the side eye to hood parents who don't parent their children, I give the side eye to middle class people who treat their kids like an accessory.

FOH like we have no responsibility to how our society exists on a generational level.

You ever work as a teacher? Mentor? Coach little league/pee-wee sports? Babysit someone else's kids?

Do you have kids of your own? Do those kids not operate in society with the rest of us? Will they grow up to be adults one day that the rest of us have to deal with?

No one said we need to get up in Lenny and Lisa's face over this shit, but we can sure talk about this phenomena in general, because Zoe ain't the first girl to go through this.

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53. "except that doesn't really seem like that's the case"
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from the original interview

http://www.nylon.com/articles/zoe-kravitz-august-2015

and given her body issues and eating disorders you know maybe her parents were focusing on having a healthy child over an encyclopedic knowledge of black culture

who knows
but nothing from the interview suggests all the mess that's been stated above and in the OP/title

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54. "I'm talking in the abstract. This particular case doesn't really concern"
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me. That's why I said "outside of celebrities" in the other post...probably should have said it here.

I thought the person I was replying to was talking in general as well.

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52. "Thank you; leave that child alone"
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>I mean, it's not you, why in the fuck do you care? Go
>outside and grow a plant. Wipe your ass. Paint some toenails
>on the dog. Sheesh.
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55. "Nigga shut up... lol"
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You actually logged onto an okp message board to type that shit?

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59. "I like the interview tho. "
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60. "Maybe it's just those snippets but she sounds dumb as hell n/m"
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61. "she never saw an old ep of The Jeffersons with grandma Helen Willis?"
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could have learned a lesson or two from it. especially that episode where Jenny and Allan had static over this stuff.


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64. "She's so tied in to so much cultural Blackness"
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that her lack of absorption of much of it is startling.

  

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67. "Agreed"
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63. "I wish her well"
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Hopefully, she will interact with Black people outside of the celebrity circle and really get an education about Black people.

  

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66. "makes me look at her parents all the way sideways."
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good for her for coming into her own and making an effort to gain an understanding of who she is.

i have to wonder how much of this is mos defs (un)doing tho? 😂

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68. "oh Snap! ! ! Her and Mos was doin the *Esctatic? ? ?"
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I had no idea...


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69. "just google mos def and zoe kravitz"
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all the pics and rumors will pop up lol

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71. "Good to see her hanging out with some black folks"
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In the past she was only seen with white dudes.. Made me wonder if she heard that song by Cree Summer , "Curious white boy" SMH

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70. "Wow...."
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>“I identified with white culture, and I wanted to fit in,"
>she told Nylon. "I didn’t identify with black culture, like,
>I didn’t like Tyler Perry movies, and I wasn’t into
>hip-hop music."
>
>“Unfortunately that is what’s fed through the media.
>That’s what people see. That’s what I saw," Kravitz added.
>The actress says she has since gained more perspective on
>being black, and realizes that black culture is "so much
>deeper than that."
>

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72. "I don't see anything wrong, at least she learned later on"
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I understand it and even relate in a way. Some people just didn't get the chance to experience the black experience at a young age.

we keep it moving,

  

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select_from_where
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73. "Aka being black wasn't cool until the media made it a fashion statement "
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But thank yall !!

  

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flipnile
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76. "Lisa Bonet 2015 > Zoe Kravitz 2015"
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Mom just has better features. Only thing Lisa Jr. really has is youth. other than that, she's a 5 (plus the lightskinned extra credit points).

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/bonet-kravitz-2015-vanity-fair-oscar-party-01.jpg

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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78. "I want to live where she's a 5."
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Please tell me where on earth that place is.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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79. "Is it just me or is mom looking better?"
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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80. "Zoe Kravitz 2015 = Alicia Keys 2003."
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http://thatgrapejuice.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/akeys-thatgrapejuice.jpg

fuck you.

  

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77. "She also said she had issues with eating disorders due to Lenny"
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bring home lots of supermodels (my guess is white) and feeling intimidated by her mother's beauty. My guess is her home life may not have been as body positive and lovingly black as we suspect.

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82. "Roxie R died in 1995."
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Zoe was probably still pretty young.

i dunno what's up w/the Rokers or if Lenny has any connection to them. but if Zoe never got sent to spend a summer w/her granny's extended family then that could help explain her disconnection w/her Blackness. ditto if she never spent time w/the extended Bonet family on her mother's side.

fuck you.

  

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