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"Can We Talk About Black Folks Irrational Fear of The Police?"


  

          

Granted, these incidents are very real.

Granted, these incidents deserve serious attention AND action.

HOWEVER....

My issue is with people who all of a sudden get into a panic like...

"How an I supposed to drive down the street without being in fear of getting pulled over????"

"What am I supposed to tell my children???"

"They are killing us!! What is we gon' do???"

Ummm what??

Mind you, I'm from Baltimore. i.e. The place where this happened: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-indicted-in-brutal-rape-killing-of-baltimore-teen/

And this just happened this week: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-juvenile-shooting-20150722-story.html

People pass by fatal car accidents every other day on 95 and 695, yet continue texting while driving, recording instagram videos while driving, and driving confidently to and from work every day.

Yet every few months when there is a police-involved incident, people are all of a sudden "afraid for their lives".

Stop.

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                Can't forget
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                     or
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                     this is strong favorite
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                     Wow
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                     http://i.imgur.com/9fEGk3w.gifv
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                     These are better than the actual post
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RE: Can We Talk About Black Folks Irrational Fear of The Police?
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terrorism creates irrational fear.
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No need to edit anything. But let's use the 9/11 example.
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random, unpredictable violence creates irrational fear.
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Because black people dying at the hands of police is more frequent..
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      keep it real: 3000 ppl dead is not a lot of ppl.
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           The reason I frame it this way is because it's the same story every..
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           good luck w/ this.
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           3,000 Americans dying is a big deal
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                anybody dying is a big deal to somebody.
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Pearl Harbor is almost identical. What point are you making?
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      Pearl Harbor didn't occur during the lifetime of most Americans
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           My point is I think there is enough American experience
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This is a pretty good answer.
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PLUS undergirding the fear of being harmed by police is
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People aren't stating a fear of someone getting away with it.
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Agreed
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great post
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...
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I have an irrational fear of pitbulls
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squirrels... not sure why but I feel like if they turned on us
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      Nigga, Squirrel Girl beat Galactus. You don't want it with squirrels
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           I just learned that more people die from Cows than sharks each year.
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                wait til sharks get legs
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                     damn, I'm going to the beach this weekend too
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ooookay
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I'll Hold On To My Irrational Fear
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I don't think that's what the OP is talking about
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      How is that irrational? They seem like valid questions to me,
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      bruh, go and look at stop and frisk numbers, then come back
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. . .
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RE: Can We Talk About Black Folks Irrational Fear of The Police?
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Black ppl more likely to be fined, jailed & killed by cops. Fuck that
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How many times have you been arrested
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      Once but the cops/courts stay in my pockets
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      Most guns every pointed at me were by police, btw.
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      So all rational fear must arise from direct experience?
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i'm concerned with you choosing the word Irrational to make this point
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I use "irrational" as I do not find it to be logical or reason...
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      Well it's the fear of Sharks versus Cow fear
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      RE: Well it's the fear of Sharks versus Cow fear
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           Why is crime between citizens more important than police crime?
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                I never said that one is more important.
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      enemies on the streets shooting at each other? i see how that can happen
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      Whose enemy was she though, fam?
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           now THAT'S some irrational shit.
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                me too.
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      So how about the kids who are beaten but not killed?
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lol! I have no fear of the Police. I dont trust them, but fear? Nah
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As a person who regularly challenges cops, I wouldn't say I fear them
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LMAO every facial expression in that meme is perfect.
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LMAO at the bottom lip on dude on the right
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Is this pick from a movie? Is it staged? Soooo perfect for so many thin...
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it is rational,not irrational
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on a macro level, it's irrational. If you have personal experience that...
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      RE: on a macro level, it's irrational. If you have personal experience ...
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      You're twisting what I'm saying.
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           RE: You're twisting what I'm saying.
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                Do you fear dying at the hands of police more than other..
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                     RE: Do you fear dying at the hands of police more than other..
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                          Gun, no. Harassed, yes.
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                               RE: Gun, no. Harassed, yes.
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      but I am Black Folk
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           ummm.. that's what I'm saying.
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Can you first describe your physical appearance for the listeners
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why tie the post to the poster? sometimes that has its place
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I just like to know how connected to the subject the poster is
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I mean dude has a personal link in his sig. He black.
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      I didn't want to make assumptions. Also didn't see the link.
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Lol... Yo serious too...
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So you know more people killed by cops than other black people..
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      No... But I'm not ridiculous enough to say it's irrational to fear polic...
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           It's irrational to fear police MORE than those who are more LIKELY...
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           I don't fear my own so it's hard to say who is more likely to kill me
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           Police aren't supposed to kill innocent ppl...Thats what the army is for
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                **finger guns**
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                +1
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It's only Irrational until you have to deal with the problem.
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Exactly
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Availability bias
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This is always a hard idea to sell people on.
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RE: This is always a hard idea to sell people on.
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      So do you disagree with it being irrational or do you just have a proble...
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Fear by nature is irrational. Even fear of death as we all have a day.
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"police involved incident" god you talk like a CNN headline.
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http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2015/07/why-not-ready-rule-out-suicide...
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      Whether she commited suicide or not doesnt change the fact she
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           See the first two sentences of my post. We're not talking about apathy.
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                It's an all or nothing thing in alot of people's minds.
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                     That's all very well stated and true but what about the support of it?
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I'd rather we talked about the police's irrational fear and suspicion of...
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feel free to make a post about that.
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Can we talk about black people's inability to receive criticism?
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^^^ correct. And our best research bears this out.
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you, my friend, are bogus as shit.
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Wonder twin powers activate! Form of a Gorilla! Shape of a fire hose!
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      *engage* I want to start with the generational impact of PTSD on blacks....
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           OP is unaware that this 'irrational' fear has accumulated interest.
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           the thing is the grandparents, and parents ain't no punks.
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                almost. last time I got locked up, it was in front of my father ...
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There was a guy on here who ran from a cop who wasnt chasing him
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We speculate that it was. Could be that PTSD.
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      well, he did "get away" lol....
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as a white man, it seems pretty fucking rational to me
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^^^^^^^
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golly that's nice.
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Aww shux
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I would omit irrational and add white people to your question
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you should make that a separate post and see if it cooks...
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      It may not go well
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is this a troll post?
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Faux New Black I think
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Yeah it's kind of trolling, but there is something to it though.
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RE: Yeah it's kind of trolling, but there is something to it though.
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Lol @ at even having to ask
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nigga you obviously aint been on ya knees with ya fingers interlocked
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so everyone expressing fear has been through that personally?
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      prolly or knows someone.or watches CNN, or MSNBC, or local news
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           Yet its not the same for the other cause mentioned..
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                oh you one of them "until it hits close to home" type a niggas
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                     RE: oh you one of them "until it hits close to home" type a niggas
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                     I could say the same for you couldn't I?
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                          prolly not...
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Simply put, if you live in Baltimore..
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But you do realize that your examples aren't
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My examples speak to probability.
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      but you're not talking about probability in your O.P
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           What? Did you even read it or did you skim it?
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                I did.
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                     He's saying people are less afraid of things that happen more
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you ever drove in Waller County? bcz i have...
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      You're more likely to die on the road than at the hands...
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           you talking like you work for the police union nephew
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           This post ain't about right or wrong.
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           yeah, this dude is all over the place
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           What about poor black kids who don't drive?
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I guess white Folks are too busy with their Irrational Fear of sharks
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Ok...
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Irrational?
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What's rational about NOT feeling fear after 3 teenagers...
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      To me...
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      Why does it matter if one is "protected" if you still..
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           bcz i can point my gun at joe blow assshole..but not at johnny law
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           not if you're not in a concealed carry state.
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                bullshit..i can do that anywhere
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                     Ok, so if you're carrying an illegal firearm, yes it is rational for you...
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                          i didnt say its in my car...you brought up conceal carry
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           The odds have changed
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                Well I'm talking about the fear of the "one thing" and not "another".
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                     I think the fear
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      This is an argument for the rationality of fear of teenagers.
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      But people live with that fear in the hood every. fucking. day.
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random acts of violence between citizens is relatively rare
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You sure you want to stick with this statement? Read it again.
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      Self-determination is absolutely relevant here. Read it again.
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      lol. You're not doing what you think you're doing
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           surely you see the problem with it.
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                no, i don't. At all. But keep trying to be contrarian
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                     lol.....oooooookay!
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our fears are warranted. its yt fear that is so goddamned irrational.
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I agree that yt fear is irrational. Very much so.
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      Do you believe that you fear nothing?
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           I battle anxiety. I know all about irrational shit.
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                Addressing irrational fear is commendable
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It's irrational to fear an armed force of majority white citizens?
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it's irrational to fear death by police MORE than...
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      I've never had heart disease, I have had a cop kick me while I was
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           This just happened to a friend of a friend two weeks ago..
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                Getting assaulted with a knife also isn't a leading cause of death.
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                     It's more probable than being unjustly killed by the police.
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                          Beacause it hasn't happened to me. How are you not understanding
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                               If most fears aren't rational, y'all need to unbunch your panties...
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                                    No, we really don't for two reasons.
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people be trying so hard to sound 'logical' sometimes you just
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Yup... I get what the OP is saying tho...
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Shit,YTs get nervous around cops, so black ppl have 20x the right to be.
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RE: Can We Talk About Black Folks Irrational Fear of The Police?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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RE: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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      I ain't hiding behind shit. I made a very clear post, and some..
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           RE: I ain't hiding behind shit. I made a very clear post, and some..
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                You literally just made that shit up. Which is your fucking problem.
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                     RE: You literally just made that shit up. Which is your fucking problem.
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                     Again, you take from it what you take from it
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                          RE: Again, you take from it what you take from it
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                     RE: You literally just made that shit up. Which is your fucking problem.
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                          Again, adding a whole bunch of extra bullshit.
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good points, but not an argument for irrationality of fear.
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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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The fear appears pretty rational to me
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I refuse to walk in a perpetual state of fear of cops.
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word.
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This is not an argument for the irrationality of fear.
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Considering the police were the main ones beating our ass in the streets
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"Statistically" All people have irrational fears
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That's 100% correct
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      So if ALL people do this, why make the TOPIC about Black people?
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      RE: So if ALL people do this, why make the TOPIC about Black people?
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           Powerlessness against corrupt and murderous cops can inspire fear
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                You're twisting my stance, which is amazing considering...
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                     You don't understand fear very well.
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                     sure pal.
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                     How do you know people are not outraged again?
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                          Do a cntrl+f with my name and "outrage"
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                               "Lose your shit" = become outraged. No?
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                                    The fact that you can read a line like this:
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                                         no misinterpretation.........points were addressed
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                                              RE: no misinterpretation.........points were addressed
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      Can we talk about how lazy niggas are?
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      yeah and Black lives matter means that other lives don't.
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           So you respond with
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                Keeping at a level you can understand
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      .
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      you're a moron
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           Yeah because primary school insults are so impressive.
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They don't come by ones...
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To dismiss our concerns as laughable is a slap in the face..
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#214
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I don't think "irrational" is the right word here.
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Right, if this had been a post about how Americans and Westerners
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If I made a post about the police's irrational fear of Black people...
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      Yeah, but you wouldn't make that post would you?
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           RE: Yeah, but you wouldn't make that post would you?
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           In other words:
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I can understand what you're saying... however the irony. .
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      I think "heightened" or at most *exaggerated* works, not irrational
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           Exaggerated is fair.
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This post is a reflection of white folks audacity to deem something...
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Can We Talk About Women's Irrational Fear of Rape?
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If that's what you got from it God bless you.
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      sorry, I was flying all day Friday and at a family reunion this weekend
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           go read through some replies. God bless
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                I skimmed most of the post before replying. no one made my point
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                     great!
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RE: Can We Talk About Black Folks Irrational Fear of The Police?
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On the real......
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5. "terrorism creates irrational fear. "
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that's the point of terrorism.
you don't try to kill everybody.

you use a series of random attacks that keep everybody on edge, to the point where they no longer feel comfortable in their own environment.

remember how white ppl got scared after 9/11?

even though the odds of them dying in a terrorists attack were 0?

same principle.



I agree that we could do better at processing that fear.

but dismissing it because the fear is irrational overlooks the fact that Black folks
are dealing with the psychological affects of terrorism.


I am sure you can phrase your point in a less inflamatory way, if you try.


do you want to edit your OP?

we can start this conversation off in a better way.

  

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7. "No need to edit anything. But let's use the 9/11 example."
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When you look at white people's response to 9/11, one could argue that it was a shock to their lives, as it:

A - Exposed a national vulnerability that had never been exposed before on that level

B - Was an event that took the lives of nearly 3,000 people at once

C - Many people lived privileged lives free of that sort of tragedy up to that point.

While the response of many black people was:

"Niggaz die everyday, b"

So if we see these types of incidents with some level of frequency, and experience homicide of our people at an even higher level of frequency, how does that compare?

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Mike Jackson
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10. "random, unpredictable violence creates irrational fear."
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many whites were irrationally afraid of muslims because the violence affected ppl that looked like them.

many Blacks were indifferent because we didn't identify with the world trade center and the pentagon.



sorta like many whites were indifferent to police brutality,
and don't understand our irrational fear of cops.


i fail to see the difference.

random, targeted violence leads to paranoia to other ppl that identify with the folks that got got.


ppl have used this tactic ever since war was invented.

i dunno why you are acting like this is a Black thing,
or pretending to not understand the irrational fear.

we can and should process it better. but it looks like humans being human to me.

why do you disagree?


  

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12. "Because black people dying at the hands of police is more frequent.."
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than a plane being hijacked and killing 3,000 people.

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Mike Jackson
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20. "keep it real: 3000 ppl dead is not a lot of ppl."
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look at how many ppl are in this country.

look at how many of them have lived and died without being killed or hurt by a terrorists.

3000 ppl dying of terrorism is a tragedy, but this is an exceptionally safe country.



similarly, the vast majority of Black ppl's interaction with police go fine.

maybe you get a ticket.
maybe you get a warning.
maybe they walk by you and say nothing at all.

that happens a lot.


every Black person murdered by polie is a tragedy, but we still live in a safe country.



but- from a psychological perspective- it's a mindfuck.


will THAT muslim hijack the plane?

will THAT cop shoot me dead?

sure, the last 100 times a cop walked by me things went fine.
but you never know. because, terrorism.



why do you think ppl use guerilla warfare tactics?

maybe because they work?

it's an excellent way to keep folks in line.

that's human nature.
we can change our reaction,
but irrational fear is a natural reaction.

are you still going to pretend that irrational fear is not a natural reaction to a fucked up event?

why are you framing the post this way?


>than a plan being hijacked and killing 3,000 people.

  

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26. "The reason I frame it this way is because it's the same story every.."
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few months.

Meanwhile, in Baltimore specifically, women and children are currently being murdered at a rate greater than what we have seen in 20yrs.

Meanwhile, people are dying younger and younger of disease. One of my friends from middle school just had a double mastectomy and is going through chemo. Another died of heart failure.

That should be equally if not more shocking.

Yet we move right on by that, and get all crazy over this.

We normalize what we choose to normalize.

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31. "good luck w/ this."
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37. "3,000 Americans dying is a big deal"
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49. "anybody dying is a big deal to somebody."
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but statistically, you are more likely to get struck by lightning than die by terrorist attack.

that doesn't change the emotional impact, of course.

still- in the grand scheme,
Americans are relatively safe from terrorist attack.

but we still get irrationally afraid of terrorism because it's terrorism.

it's designed to create an irrational fear.

  

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60. "Pearl Harbor is almost identical. What point are you making?"
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>When you look at white people's response to 9/11, one could
>argue that it was a shock to their lives, as it:

>A - Exposed a national vulnerability that had never been
>exposed before on that level

Pearl Harbor did this already as did the sinking of the Lusitania. So what is being illustrated here?

>B - Was an event that took the lives of nearly 3,000 people at
>once

It's not a contest but Pearl Harbor took 2,500

>C - Many people lived privileged lives free of that sort of
>tragedy up to that point.

This is not true based on the response to A.

>While the response of many black people was:
>
>"Niggaz die everyday, b"

Perhaps for this one tragedy, but among which age groups etc? However, in light of Pearl Harbor and the Lusitania do you believe that response to be consistent?

>So if we see these types of incidents with some level of
>frequency, and experience homicide of our people at an even
>higher level of frequency, how does that compare?

You should provide stats on the rate at which black people kill each other if you want to make that comparison. Also the killing of black people by black people is not equal to sanctioned killing of black people by law enforcement. Killers and criminals are not sworn to protect anyone (assuming swearing means something).

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61. "Pearl Harbor didn't occur during the lifetime of most Americans"
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impacted by 9/11. What is YOUR point.

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72. "My point is I think there is enough American experience "
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with sudden and unexpected acts of aggression to dispel all of those points. People were not any more on edge now than they were then.

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17. "This is a pretty good answer. "
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**********
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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

  

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22. "PLUS undergirding the fear of being harmed by police is"
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the fear that THE POLICE WILL GET AWAY WITH IT.

w/those other crimes we have at least some security - if private citizens act badly against us we have more hope that the police will investigate and if the criminal is found the justice system will prosecute. there are bad guys out there but the good guys are working to keep them in check. when the police are the bad guys - it's like we have no safe place. no security. no quarter.

this is pretty obvious stuff. i won't make another serious reply in this post. it's not worthy.

  

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38. "People aren't stating a fear of someone getting away with it."
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That only matters to those left behind.

The fear being stated is of dying period.

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45. "---"
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http://g.mastergreetings.com/stfu/023.gif

fuck you.

  

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47. "https://40.media.tumblr.com/1d8f49ee7d3581b1b31c16956ab0fc10/tumblr_mxca..."
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https://40.media.tumblr.com/1d8f49ee7d3581b1b31c16956ab0fc10/tumblr_mxcaa6uEvy1sre80eo1_500.jpg

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34. "Agreed "
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144. "great post"
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>that's the point of terrorism.
>you don't try to kill everybody.
>
>you use a series of random attacks that keep everybody on
>edge, to the point where they no longer feel comfortable in
>their own environment.
>
>remember how white ppl got scared after 9/11?
>
>even though the odds of them dying in a terrorists attack were
>0?
>
>same principle.
>
>
>
>I agree that we could do better at processing that fear.
>
>but dismissing it because the fear is irrational overlooks the
>fact that Black folks
>are dealing with the psychological affects of terrorism.
>
>
>I am sure you can phrase your point in a less inflamatory way,
>if you try.
>
>
>do you want to edit your OP?
>
>we can start this conversation off in a better way.
>
>

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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6. "..."
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8. "I have an irrational fear of pitbulls"
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11. "squirrels... not sure why but I feel like if they turned on us"
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ain't shit we could do.

can't jump on a car, climb a tree or run from a pack of squirrels

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15. "Nigga, Squirrel Girl beat Galactus. You don't want it with squirrels"
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19. "I just learned that more people die from Cows than sharks each year."
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21. "wait til sharks get legs"
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40. "damn, I'm going to the beach this weekend too"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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13. "ooookay"
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14. "I'll Hold On To My Irrational Fear"
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Considering I've been harassed by the policy multiple times, and a couple of times a gun has been drawn on me.

You don't have to be afraid, but I'll be nervous everytime

  

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35. "I don't think that's what the OP is talking about"
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Being cautious and even afraid when interacting with the police is very rational behavior.

What the OP is talking about is the hysteria on social media where you see people saying ish like

"How an I supposed to drive down the street without being in fear of getting pulled over????"

"What am I supposed to tell my children???"

"They are killing us!! What is we gon' do???"



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92. "How is that irrational? They seem like valid questions to me,"
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I mean given the history and what not.

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148. "bruh, go and look at stop and frisk numbers, then come back"
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18. ". . ."
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https://theyuppiedilemma.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/garycoleman.jpg

fuck you.

  

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24. "http://i.imgur.com/yqtj8vi.jpg"
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http://i.imgur.com/yqtj8vi.jpg

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27. "RE: Can We Talk About Black Folks Irrational Fear of The Police?"
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I was stopped going into my own home at the age of 15 in the Chi because cops thought I was breaking into the place I lived...

I had a gun pulled out on me when I was 24 as I was walking with some friends after coming back from a party on some "they fit description" shit (a liquor store was robbed a few blocks down)....

And recently I was stopped coming from work in Brooklyn by cops who wanted to know if I FOR REAL lived in the area....

I got other stories like that, dog...

Basically what I'm saying is fuck yo post.....

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28. "Black ppl more likely to be fined, jailed & killed by cops. Fuck that "
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41. "How many times have you been arrested"
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84. "Once but the cops/courts stay in my pockets"
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114. "Most guns every pointed at me were by police, btw. "
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195. "So all rational fear must arise from direct experience?"
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Can you really defend that position?

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29. "i'm concerned with you choosing the word Irrational to make this point"
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odds are, i can maneuver through the streets of Baltimore every day and encounter several police officers. none of which will kill me. that's possible because i've been doing it for a while now.

BUT

when i think about the word irrational, i'm thinking about something that seems out of the realm of possibility.

any encounter with the police could result in my death. that's real. whether i'm armed or unarmed, resisting or complying, breaking or following the law. i could wearing a suit and carrying my briefcase or in jeans & some air max. late at night or in broad daylight.

any encounter with the police could result in my death.

and you'd read about it...possibly. and when you did, it would not register the amount of shock that you would think a person's death would warrant. the cops kill so many people so often that it's no longer out of the realm of possibility.

remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIJZhyF710

that shocked me more than any of the high profile police murders i've seen since then.

  

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36. "I use "irrational" as I do not find it to be logical or reason..."
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to fear being killed by a police officer more than a drunk or distracted driver.

Or to fear contracting or being diagnosed with a disease.

I use irrational because youth under 25 are being killed daily by people not in uniform, and this can happen regularly no more than 10min away from where most people live, yet we're more afraid of the police, based on stories that occur 2,000 miles away (not saying that police incidents don't occur in Baltimore, just speaking of national headlines).

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48. "Well it's the fear of Sharks versus Cow fear"
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Annually more people are killed by cows then are killed by sharks, but people are generally fearful of sharks than cows. Is that irrational?

It would be if you lived on a dairy farm and never went to the ocean.

But not if you were in the ocean where sharks live.

If a black person is in a situation interacting with the cops I don't think it is irrational to be fearful of them since we know a disproportionate amount of bad shit cops do to people happen to black people.


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51. "RE: Well it's the fear of Sharks versus Cow fear"
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>Annually more people are killed by cows then are killed by
>sharks, but people are generally fearful of sharks than cows.
>Is that irrational?
>
>It would be if you lived on a dairy farm and never went to the
>ocean.
>
>But not if you were in the ocean where sharks live.
>

That's not a good example because we live in a place where there a multiple causes of death of black people that are greater than being at the hands of police.

>If a black person is in a situation interacting with the cops
>I don't think it is irrational to be fearful of them since we
>know a disproportionate amount of bad shit cops do to people
>happen to black people.
>

It's not irrational in that moment, no. But I'm not saying that.

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217. "Why is crime between citizens more important than police crime?"
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To you Darryl? Jazz gave an excellent reply and it is the same thing.

Criminals are not supposed to uphold the law. They are not sworn to enforce or protect it. Police officers are-- and when crime happens they show up.

They (the police) also commit crimes and against blacks people at a higher rate. Their targeting of black folks is irrational as it can be any black person as we've seen. We've also seen police tamper with evidence and support that tampering all while the entire entity called "law enforcement" says nothing about the wrongdoing thus supporting all crooked cops.

The fear of police brutality is no less irrational then the fear of being robbed or shot in your own neighborhood by your own ethnic group.

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219. "I never said that one is more important."
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52. "enemies on the streets shooting at each other? i see how that can happen"
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a person with poor eating habits and a sedentary lifestyle dying of heart disease or diabetes by age 50? that's not surprising either.

but why can't i reasonably expect the cops not to kill unarmed minorities?

i guess the other ways people die seem rational to me because it's kind of what i expect to happen.

police killing people is irrational cuz that's not what's supposed to happen. even if it happens less frequently than all other types of death.

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55. "Whose enemy was she though, fam?"
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-indicted-in-brutal-rape-killing-of-baltimore-teen/

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80. "now THAT'S some irrational shit. "
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her murder evoked greater emotion in me than any high profile killing in recent memory


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82. "me too."
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196. "So how about the kids who are beaten but not killed?"
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Should kids under 25 fear getting their ass kicked by someone with a gun?

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30. "lol! I have no fear of the Police. I dont trust them, but fear? Nah"
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44. "As a person who regularly challenges cops, I wouldn't say I fear them"
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but I am very cognizant to the fact that they got a gun and I don't which greatly shapes my interaction.


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32. "---"
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http://www.ebengregory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/negro-community-frowns-upon-your-shenanigans.jpg

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33. " ---"
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http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ca/cacfc323d25bd9cee6880fc2eb673547ea65db0e880850a66a9cf7b9c51c80e0.jpg

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39. "LMAO every facial expression in that meme is perfect."
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42. "LMAO at the bottom lip on dude on the right"
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43. "it is rational,not irrational "
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regardless of what you may believe of percieve. My ferar of them is natural due to my experiences with them. One of themn killed a friend of mine. Shot him in the back when he was 16.

I am from South Ozone Park Queens, the border of Howard Beach. Police used to "give us rides" all the time if you were caught by yourself back in the day.

Even as a police recruit in Teaneck, I was harrassed, followed and stalked by my fellow officers.

My fear is quite rational and it is what has kept me alive thus far.

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46. "on a macro level, it's irrational. If you have personal experience that..."
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drives your fear, that's you specifically.

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53. "RE: on a macro level, it's irrational. If you have personal experience ..."
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>drives your fear, that's you specifically.



LOL...what?

MOST BLACK FOLKS who have lived in certain areas and conditions have personal experience that drives that fear....U think people are just making shit up or over-playing their experiences????

What u should have said in your post is YOU have never experienced having a cop pull a gun out on you....Or u have been stopped while driving black in a white neighborhood....Or have never seen your own father get questioned by police because a white lady thought she saw something suspicious on the block that she lived on (my pops was only trying to change a flat tire on his car...this happened in a suburb in Illinois)....

If YOU have never REALLY experienced any of things that's cool.....But make that known....

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57. "You're twisting what I'm saying."
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Most black people have been jumped more times by other black people than the police.

Most black people know more people killed by other black people than by the police.

Most black people know more people who died of disease than at the hands of cops.

Even if they have had negative interactions with the police, when it comes to fatality, the other causes far outweigh.

However, if THAT is not his personal experience, then that's him.

When I say it's irrational, it's based on relativity to the other possible causes of death. However, if HE personally has experienced MORE negative incidents at the hands of police than other black people, that's him.

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62. "RE: You're twisting what I'm saying."
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I'm not twisting shit, my dude...

You said a lot of black folks come off as having an irrational fear of the police....Like we on some "Oh Lordy, what we gon do 'bout all deez bad people in blue????"

And what I'm saying is what may seem irrational comes mostly from personal experience....If you grew up in a neighborhood that looked like a military occupation in another country then yeah....U would have a pretty fucking irrational fear of police....

Do I think all police are PIGS or bullies? Nah...But I have had enough experience with them to know that shit can get really real very quick....And I am fearful of THAT.....

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64. "Do you fear dying at the hands of police more than other.."
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possible causes of death?

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69. "RE: Do you fear dying at the hands of police more than other.."
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Question....have you ever had a gun pointed in your face by police?

Or have you been harassed unfairly by police? Because if the answer is no then I can see where u r coming from.....

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71. "Gun, no. Harassed, yes."
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Is your stance then, that the people all over social media who are now expressing hysterical fear of police have ALL had guns drawn on them?

Because I can tell you right now that it isn't true.

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79. "RE: Gun, no. Harassed, yes."
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>Is your stance then, that the people all over social media
>who are now expressing hysterical fear of police have ALL had
>guns drawn on them?
>
>Because I can tell you right now that it isn't true.



Ah....so u r attaching it to the social media thing, huh?

Noted...

What I'm going to say is this....Most black folks who have lived in a certain condition have either experienced real police harassment or have been in real danger by the hands of cops as well as their own people (see what I did there?)

And most people on social media have either experienced it or know someone that has experienced or have have seen enough examples throughout history and the media to know police treat people of color differently than white folk....

Like I said to homie below, u guys are being waaaaaaay too egg headish on this. If your beef is with bougie ass black folk screaming Black Lives Matter than make another posts about that shit...

But don't make a general post about black folks being irrational about the police. It makes you look above it all and out of touch.....

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139. "but I am Black Folk"
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my friend who was killed was black folk. I don't really rock with your summation. I hope that is alright... you know, the ability to disagree with someone...

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149. "ummm.. that's what I'm saying."
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If your fear is driven by personal experience, that's you specifically, and that's fine.

But that doesn't speak for those who have not had such an experience and get riled up off of what they see on the news and social media.

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50. "Can you first describe your physical appearance for the listeners "
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at home?

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54. "why tie the post to the poster? sometimes that has its place "
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but this post can cook without bringing that into it...


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always

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68. "I mean dude has a personal link in his sig. He black. "
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56. "Lol... Yo serious too..."
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William Torbit killed by his own Co workers

Gahiji Tshamba emptied a clip in a nigga

This corner looks real familiar
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Yeah... They protecting us here too
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I ain't saying niggas here is angels but 'irrational fear' is a ridiculous statement

You must haven't encountered them

Lucky u..... But best bet your cousin, uncle and/or homeboy has... And they got stories

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59. "So you know more people killed by cops than other black people.."
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car accidents and disease?

C'mon bruh.

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66. "No... But I'm not ridiculous enough to say it's irrational to fear polic..."
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A white guy in Montana probably knows more white people killed by white people than police

A Mexican in El Paso probably knows more Mexican people killed by Mexicans than police

People kill those around them

Police aren't supposed to kill innocent people... That's what the army is for

But if u riding across thru York Rd and being followed knowing good and got damn well u ain't did shit, and u can say that you have no fear then u must be Super Nigga


The shit that's going on now with the young boys is ridiculous and evil but I personally don't fear them more than the boys... And this is based on personal experience

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70. "It's irrational to fear police MORE than those who are more LIKELY..."
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to kill you.

I'm not saying no one should have any fear of police at all.

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83. "I don't fear my own so it's hard to say who is more likely to kill me"
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I don't sell dope
I ain't fuckin with nobody money
I ain't connected with BGF nor are my people's
Nobody is immune to being robbed so that's the equivalent of car accidents imo

And on some REALLY real shit... I Ain't been in any situations in my adult life where niggas fuck wit me or I was 'scared'... Cept maybe the fact people routinely tell me I look like so n so and such n such who could have done who knows what...

Police on the other hand.......

So maybe I have an irrational feeling of personal safety.... So be it

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87. "Police aren't supposed to kill innocent ppl...Thats what the army is for"
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kinda slick how you slid that in...

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58. "It's only Irrational until you have to deal with the problem."
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63. "Availability bias"
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

It's been in the news and talked about so much recently that it is fresh in people's minds. Skews people's perception of the actual frequency of occurrence

Someone said to me the other day that threat of violence from police is worse now than in the 1950s-60s. Cmon

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65. "This is always a hard idea to sell people on."
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It's similar to the fact that air travel is way safer than driving (just in terms of accidents, alone), but many people fear air travel a lot more.

The thing is, the psychological impact of the occasional crash looms really large in people's minds, and the cognitive dissonance of that impact, versus actual stats, is too much for alot of folks to handle. So they decide to go with the psychology, rather than the facts. That's not uncommon and applies to many areas of life.

  

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73. "RE: This is always a hard idea to sell people on."
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>It's similar to the fact that air travel is way safer than
>driving (just in terms of accidents, alone), but many people
>fear air travel a lot more.
>
>The thing is, the psychological impact of the occasional crash
>looms really large in people's minds, and the cognitive
>dissonance of that impact, versus actual stats, is too much
>for alot of folks to handle. So they decide to go with the
>psychology, rather than the facts. That's not uncommon and
>applies to many areas of life.



U guys r being way too egg head-ish on this....

It's about experiences....If u know what it is like to feel in danger around police then u understand how someone could be irrational....

If u don't then of course u would call it irrational or label it as being too much for people to handle....

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76. "So do you disagree with it being irrational or do you just have a proble..."
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with me saying it?

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77. "Fear by nature is irrational. Even fear of death as we all have a day."
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That being said, this fear is the product of well founded mistrust and is therefore completely logical as law enforcement as a whole is not to be nor should be trusted by black people.

The system itself was not created to benefit the black class so how can it morph into something that can?

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78. ""police involved incident" god you talk like a CNN headline."
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You mean a "murder," right?

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81. "http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2015/07/why-not-ready-rule-out-suicide..."
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http://www.blackgirldangerous.org/2015/07/why-not-ready-rule-out-suicide-in-the-case-of-sandra-bland/

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85. "Whether she commited suicide or not doesnt change the fact she "
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didnt belong there in the first place.

What do you want us to do, exactly Be apathetic? As if cops just started killing black people for no reason. Nigga they literally started as an organization made to keep slaves "in check."

Slaves as in black people.

Black people as in people like you.

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86. "See the first two sentences of my post. We're not talking about apathy."
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We're talking about comparative fear.

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88. "It's an all or nothing thing in alot of people's minds."
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My guess is it helps people navigate the fear.

So either the cops are saintly and don't do anything wrong, or they're all evil demons on a neverending quest to murder as many black bodies as possible. And if you don't believe the latter, you MUST believe the former.

Having just two choices makes everything alot easier to handle.

Of course the truth is in between those two, but then that makes coping with danger much harder, because you have to think more and use reason more.

And when people come along who point this out, they have to be dismissed or ridiculed - made to be quiet and/or go away, because we're disturbing the holy/evil dichotomy.

  

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107. "That's all very well stated and true but what about the support of it?"
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Meaning that even though something like 15% of these cops are bad cops (according to a black detective I saw interviewed by Dr. Boyce Watkins) the 15% much like yeast-- work their entire way throughout that organization and basically corrupt all cops. You see this in the continued support of wrongdoing by law enforcement in the form of covering up evidence and cosigning bogs accounts. The nations and LEO's unwillingness to clean up any of this implies that it's acceptable or irrelevant. Multiply that by the roots of policing being inherently racist and what do you have?

To say you have an entity that can be properly broken down into good, bad, and neither good nor bad, is practically impossible not to mention impractical.

How would you analyze the entity as a whole given your view (and it must be as whole because that is how it presents itself to the nation)?

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90. "I'd rather we talked about the police's irrational fear and suspicion of..."
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108. "feel free to make a post about that."
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198. "Can we talk about black people's inability to receive criticism?"
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197. "^^^ correct. And our best research bears this out."
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91. "you, my friend, are bogus as shit."
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93. "Wonder twin powers activate! Form of a Gorilla! Shape of a fire hose!"
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Now lets spray this garbage outta here!

*turns high pressured hose on terrible post*

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95. "*engage* I want to start with the generational impact of PTSD on blacks...."
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your great grandparents, and grandparents, and parents ... being systematically stunned by bullshit dressed in authority ain't no slight shit.

we hit.

  

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99. "OP is unaware that this 'irrational' fear has accumulated interest. "
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104. "the thing is the grandparents, and parents ain't no punks. "
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Who do you know most likely to tell a cop to kiss their ass? And old black person.


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110. "almost. last time I got locked up, it was in front of my father ..."
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of course he went 'to bat' for me initially.

I heard 'that's my son!'' from a distance, as he approached the arresting officer.

but when the guns were drawn and the cuffs were placed, the officer said, 'you can go with him too, if you want'

pops straightened all the way out. 'Son, I meet you back at home!'

and that was fine. In that moment, I knew it wasn't his fight anymore.

it was my turn.

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94. "There was a guy on here who ran from a cop who wasnt chasing him"
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he said he was in NYC or,Philly for the weekend and the policeman locked eyes with him while driving down the street and he took off running and was still scared when he went back home.

now that was some irrational fear.

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101. "We speculate that it was. Could be that PTSD."
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141. "well, he did "get away" lol.... "
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no one was after him tho...

shit sounded funny cause he was with friends and I don't think anyone else ran.



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96. "as a white man, it seems pretty fucking rational to me"
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100. "^^^^^^^"
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106. "golly that's nice."
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162. "Aww shux"
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97. "I would omit irrational and add white people to your question"
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Because I believe that many Black people are afraid of white people. They may not admit it or may be in denial, but I believe that Black folks act scary when it comes to dealing with members of the dominant society.

  

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103. "you should make that a separate post and see if it cooks..."
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128. "It may not go well"
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I am not in the mood to argue with people. But, I do believe that white people causes fear in some to many Black people. I am NOT one of those Black people, btw.

  

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98. "is this a troll post?"
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109. "Yeah it's kind of trolling, but there is something to it though. "
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Dude admits that in your direct interaction with cops, it's not irrational to be fearful of them.

That's a key point missing in the OP.


I do agree with the notion that there is a hysteria on social media that seems irrational.


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123. "RE: Yeah it's kind of trolling, but there is something to it though. "
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>Dude admits that in your direct interaction with cops, it's
>not irrational to be fearful of them.
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>That's a key point missing in the OP.
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>I do agree with the notion that there is a hysteria on social
>media that seems irrational.


Theres news items wekly about cops behaviors, from east coast to west coast.

I dont think people having a heightened awareness is irratinal in thei clinate 015.

And the availability heuristics debate above, while an evidenced based and true phenomena, I dont think it's that...I think its real enough and prominent enough to have suuch a heightned awarness.

Its kind of disrespectful to call it "irrational"

Im not trippin when I go to a movie, but if Im in Colorado, Florida etc, I wold be a bit wary and frosty...but the cop thing BEEN real for centuries..everywhere.

  

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113. "nigga you obviously aint been on ya knees with ya fingers interlocked"
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above ya head.. for no reason....ok art smart i got it...

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116. "so everyone expressing fear has been through that personally?"
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be serious

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124. "prolly or knows someone.or watches CNN, or MSNBC, or local news"
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you acting like it just random stories...this shit go on eryday b

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126. "Yet its not the same for the other cause mentioned.."
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135. "oh you one of them "until it hits close to home" type a niggas"
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i see...you like the GOP w/ Trump and shit... folks was being irrational about trump when he was all on Obeezys birth certificate..but now he jumpin on they own folk...now hes a problem..

i hope u dont ever run across a bad cop its gonna turn yur world upside down

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137. "RE: oh you one of them "until it hits close to home" type a niggas"
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>i see...you like the GOP w/ Trump and shit... folks was being
>irrational about trump when he was all on Obeezys birth
>certificate..but now he jumpin on they own folk...now hes a
>problem..
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>i hope u dont ever run across a bad cop its gonna turn yur
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138. "I could say the same for you couldn't I?"
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140. "prolly not..."
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117. "Simply put, if you live in Baltimore.."
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and you can look at the two cases in the otiginal post and it not disturb your day, but look at the Sandra Bland case and act like your life is about to end, you're irrational.

You don't have to like the word for it to fit.

Y'all keep going though.

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119. "But you do realize that your examples aren't "
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supporting what you're saying?

The Baltimore incidents you posted are about residents killing residents not about cops abusing their authority.

So I don't get the connection here.
Not being facetious but, you may want to use different examples.

I could see if you even used the case about Freddie Gray and the Cop who was making chicks fuck him to get out of crimes.

At the core there are rampant recorded examples of abuse.
First they said there's no evidence of abuse. Now that there are mad videos, it's like they're not even considering them. So yes...there is a fear. Fear that my life can be taken away on camera for the world to see and nothing. No value for my life by the people sworn to protect me. I don't find that irrational at all.

  

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120. "My examples speak to probability. "
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That's what this is about.

Panic triggered by current events in the news and social media response, whilst people boadly face the (higher) probability of death by other means daily.

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122. "but you're not talking about probability in your O.P"
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just irrational fear of police but, ok.

  

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125. "What? Did you even read it or did you skim it?"
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I clearly mentioned people passing by fatal car accidents all the time in comparison to stories about unjust death by police every couple of months.

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129. "I did. "
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Did you read your own post and then my replies or did you skim? LOL
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131. "He's saying people are less afraid of things that happen more"
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often, hence, the irrationality of it.

  

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127. "you ever drove in Waller County? bcz i have... "
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theres one of the most famous HBCUs there..PV.. cops dont give a dam..you better be on ya Ps and Qs... Police so cold...theyd wait on the interstate for niggas heading home to H town from PV games and jus stop random cars ...that jail used to be PACKED fulla niggas on the weekends for bullshit...

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130. "You're more likely to die on the road than at the hands..."
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132. "you talking like you work for the police union nephew"
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NOBODY is supposed to die at the hands o the cops unless they are threatening a life

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133. "This post ain't about right or wrong."
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You gotta get out of your feelings to see what I'm saying.

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134. "yeah, this dude is all over the place"
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at first I thought he was doing the deflect...what about black on black crime

now he's assuming nobody has fear of other drivers?

I'm out.

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199. "What about poor black kids who don't drive?"
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118. "I guess white Folks are too busy with their Irrational Fear of sharks"
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http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/07/22/beachgoers-attempt-to-swim-in-homemade-shark-cages/

I can't speak for all

but I've had 2 encounters with police and excessive force

and I'm sure 1 is more than enough for the fear to be rational.

WHEN DO WE TALK ABOUT COPS IRRATIONAL FEAR OF BLACK PEOPLE?

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136. "Ok..."
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Ive dealt with police using excessive force
on a dimly lit road on the far East side of Orlando
three of them...

went to lawyer about it and was told most police cars in
orlando have "dash cams that dont work"



you can feel how you want to fam im not going to attack you for it


BUT im really not trying to deal with them AT ALL
On any level

and yes i get nervous when a cop car is behind me
not because i have anything illegal in the car
but because of my experiences

but then again everyones reality is different

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142. "Irrational?"
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What's irrational about shooting an 11 year old playing with a toy gun without any attempt at understanding the situation. Dumb question.Do better.

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143. "What's rational about NOT feeling fear after 3 teenagers..."
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are shot at the same time?

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146. "To me..."
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The action of a sadistic asshole with a gun compared to a government official that get his pay from our tax money is not the same.I'm more afraid of the one who is protected by the law even after the facts are clear that he committed murder. Sadistic asshole with a gun half the time had the good sense of offing himself.

time is money, money is time
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147. "Why does it matter if one is "protected" if you still.."
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end up dead?

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156. "bcz i can point my gun at joe blow assshole..but not at johnny law"
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good enough for you arty?

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157. "not if you're not in a concealed carry state."
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158. "bullshit..i can do that anywhere"
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161. "Ok, so if you're carrying an illegal firearm, yes it is rational for you..."
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to fear police more than the average citizen.

There.

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163. "i didnt say its in my car...you brought up conceal carry"
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tryin to be an art smart....so .there

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159. "The odds have changed"
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>end up dead?
Ending up dead is one thing, ending up dead and the perpetrator gets a pass because the law protects cops is another.

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160. "Well I'm talking about the fear of the "one thing" and not "another"."
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165. "I think the fear"
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is that now we have video and the police is still getting away with it. It gives the impression that it's open season on us in all legality.That's scary. I find it tangible or at least a good reason to fear.

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200. "This is an argument for the rationality of fear of teenagers."
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In other words, an absurd result leading directly from your description of rational fear. Not a good sign you're making any sense.

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236. "But people live with that fear in the hood every. fucking. day."
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Meanwhile police violence could touch you just about anywhere and IMO it's not just a black problem (though it is a disproportionately black problem for sure). There IS a distinction between bad people doing bad things and the people that are supposed to be protecting you doing bad things.

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150. "random acts of violence between citizens is relatively rare"
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meaning, every horrible violent crime you pull up is most likely acquaintance crime. The other big stat that black folks deal with is crimes of economics.


Most folks ain't involved in activity that would get them to be victimized by crimes due to illegal activity.

In a major city or big town, you are going to encounter multiple cops in a day, who can do what they want to you with little to no logic or predictability involved.

You keep bring up death, but what about arrests? Beatings? Prison time? Civil Seizure?

People have far far more control over the circumstances in their lives that could lead to them being a victim of crime in their neighborhoods. People have absolutely NO control of what/how a state sponsored man with a gun, taser, back-up and cuff treats them.

FOH

  

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151. "You sure you want to stick with this statement? Read it again."
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>People have far far more control over the circumstances in
>their lives that could lead to them being a victim of crime in
>their neighborhoods. People have absolutely NO control of
>what/how a state sponsored man with a gun, taser, back-up and
>cuff treats them.
>
>FOH

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201. "Self-determination is absolutely relevant here. Read it again."
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238. "lol. You're not doing what you think you're doing"
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241. "surely you see the problem with it."
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We can keep it between us though.

*wink*

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243. "no, i don't. At all. But keep trying to be contrarian"
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cuz the whole of black america is your baltimore neighborhood.

also, murder isn't the only negative outcome of black folks interaction with the police.

*spits in your open eye*

  

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245. "lol.....oooooookay!"
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152. "our fears are warranted. its yt fear that is so goddamned irrational. "
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buying up guns in nov "12 like its ww4

buying all kinda surveillance equipment to protect homes with open blinds and unlocked doors.

thinking every being in black skin is a criminally-bent demon.

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153. "I agree that yt fear is irrational. Very much so."
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202. "Do you believe that you fear nothing?"
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204. "I battle anxiety. I know all about irrational shit. "
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209. "Addressing irrational fear is commendable"
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definitely.

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154. "It's irrational to fear an armed force of majority white citizens?"
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155. "it's irrational to fear death by police MORE than..."
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the ACTUAL leading causes of death.

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167. "I've never had heart disease, I have had a cop kick me while I was"
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handcuffed though...so you know....

  

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170. "This just happened to a friend of a friend two weeks ago.."
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http://www.gofundme.com/z396ts

(Praise God so much has been raised to help her in her recovery and move out of the neighborhood)

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171. "Getting assaulted with a knife also isn't a leading cause of death."
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So, I presume she shouldn't fear people wielding knives in the future?

What exactly is your point vis a vis what I said?

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And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
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172. "It's more probable than being unjustly killed by the police."
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Yet you don't actively fear it.

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175. "Beacause it hasn't happened to me. How are you not understanding"
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that most fears are not rational, across the board. Police, shoot-outs, bar fight, plane crash, murder, etc. Most of this shit is not going to happen to you. No one sits down at a list of the shit most likely to kill them and then bases their fears on that accordingly. I don't do it, your friend doesn't do it, and I bet sure as shit that you don't do it unless you're a health nut with the diet of a seven day Adventist.

If someone is afraid of dogs because they were bitten by one as a kid, are you gonna show them stats about how infrequent dog attacks are with any hope that you'll convince them to just go over and give Fido a nice belly rub?






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177. "If most fears aren't rational, y'all need to unbunch your panties..."
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over the fact that I called this one irrational.

I clearly said from the beginning that this was in response to people "ALL OF A SUDDEN" going into panic mode when a news story breaks.

That's what this has been about from the beginning yet mofos are going into personal stories to justify and defend it.

Most fears are irrational to a degree,especially when compared to more probable threats to your life, and this is no different.

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182. "No, we really don't for two reasons."
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>over the fact that I called this one irrational.

1) Whether or not this fear poses an immediate threat to individuals is irrelevant. We aren't talking about being scared of sharks. We're talking about the criminal justice system, which from top to bottom is racist. Now you aren't likely to end up having to deal with this, but you can bet that if a black or brown person does somehow get tangled up with the CJS then they'll be facing some racism.

So on an individual level should I be constantly on guard? No.

As a society should we be constantly on guard? Yes.

>I clearly said from the beginning that this was in response to
>people "ALL OF A SUDDEN" going into panic mode when a news
>story breaks.

2. No one is "All OF A SUDDEN" upset or panicked about police brutality, at least not the black community. It's just that now we have a bunch of fucking video to back up what had us panicked before.



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164. "people be trying so hard to sound 'logical' sometimes you just"
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wind up sounding like a crazy person.

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173. "Yup... I get what the OP is saying tho..."
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But most Black people have been fucked with by a punk ass cop and that shit stays with you for life.

My mom was handcuffed by a female officer in Chicago in front of her grandkids over a traffic stop when she followed the flow of traffic around some construction cones. The female cop was the last to show up and did the most to prove she was tough.

That type of shit is something they never forget. So A year later when she wqs pulled over for a speeding ticket after the Rodney King incident she froze when the cop came to her car and asked her to step out.

He asked her was she was shaking and she told him she was scared of cops.

My mom was tough as fuck and wasnt scared of ANYONE... but guve a random dude a badge and a gun and all bets are off.

Personally, I'm not afraid of cops but when I see one my heart still skips a beat because... well, just because I'm Black to be honest.

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176. "Shit,YTs get nervous around cops, so black ppl have 20x the right to be."
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I never know for sure what the cop is gonna do when one's in my vicinity (nobody's safe), I'm always on edge in those situations, but if I was a black dude? I'd be borderline terrified.

  

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166. "RE: Can We Talk About Black Folks Irrational Fear of The Police?"
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Me and my SO kinda roll our eyes when we see other black parents make facebook posts about this stuff. I'm not sure if I'd say that the fear is 'irrational'....but the thought that the biggest threat to our children are police officers certainly IS irrational. The biggest threat to youth in our neighborhood is violence perpetrated by other youth. And there is no doubt that is the case. So our focus is mostly on who they're circle of friends are and what type of social events they attend.

That being said. Police shooting an unarmed teenager is the most 'unacceptable' scenario....and it's something that can be addressed with activism leading to changes in laws/police policies. There's a million reasons why police murders are worse than youth on youth murders. For one, we are defenceless and vulnerable against police. For two, the police are more likely to go unpunished than normal citizens. For three, they're supposed to be serving us, not killing us. I probably don't need to point out the obvious anymore....but yah, just because more youth die at the hands of other youth does not mean our activism against police murders is misguided.

So on a macro level....yes, police shootings need to be addressed and I always support/participate in the local activism in my area. But on a micro level....I acknowledge that in terms of actual potential threat to our specific kids....the police are not on the top of that list. The biggest threat to them is making the wrong friends or going to the wrong party. Judging by the facebook posts of some of my acquaintances....they literally see the police as the biggest threat. And yah, that's irrational as hell. As said above by another poster....it's like teaching your kid about shark safety instead of undertow and riptides.

  

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169. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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174. "RE: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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U keep hiding behind the social media aspect of this. U could have just made a more specific post on that....

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178. "I ain't hiding behind shit. I made a very clear post, and some.."
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were RATIONAL enough to read it for what it was while some weren't.

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179. "RE: I ain't hiding behind shit. I made a very clear post, and some.."
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No...your post began as some out of touch statement on how you found it interesting how black folks fear police and how u found it over the top that these same black folk speak of having "the talk" with their loved ones/children to prepare them for the realities of the big bad police...

Then when that didn't work you leaned heavier on the perfect strawman: social media....

It's quite easier to go after people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, ect given how you can paint these people with the same pretentious brush (The 'ol, "Ya'll ain't really been through no police brutality shit...Y'all just trying to be part of the story...IT AIN'T THAT BAD!!!")

That shit is pretty easy to do to someone on Facebook....But when you come across people in a real online dialogue or face to face telling their stories it becomes a bit more sobering....

It becomes not so easy to apply some above-it-all academic theory to a very emotional issue...

I think people have it right about u...I'm going to chalk this up to you never really going through any serious experiences with the police. Usually this is the case with folks in the Right Wing/FOX world or niggas who judge black folks off of their OWN personal experiences....

What ever u were up to in this thread it's quite illuminating....

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181. "You literally just made that shit up. Which is your fucking problem."
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My post CLEARLY took issue with people ALL OF A SUDDEN (my actual words) having a fear of police based on current events, while they don't do the same for other evebts.

Yes, that shit is irrational.

Your problem is you read the words, took them somewhere else and have attempted to draw conclusions about me.

That's your emotional response, not the reality of my actual words.

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184. "RE: You literally just made that shit up. Which is your fucking problem."
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This is how your post started.....

"My issue is with people who all of a sudden get into a panic like...

"How an I supposed to drive down the street without being in fear of getting pulled over????"

"What am I supposed to tell my children???"

"They are killing us!! What is we gon' do???........"

And when you started to get heavy push back this is where your debate went: "Is your stance then, that the people all over social media who are now expressing hysterical fear of police have ALL had guns drawn on them?"


Like I said...I see it....

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190. "Again, you take from it what you take from it "
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That question that I posed to you was an EXAMPLE of a forum. If it's the fucking water cooler at your job, the same applies.

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218. "RE: Again, you take from it what you take from it "
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No...I'm just following your own posts....Nothing more, nothing less...

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186. "RE: You literally just made that shit up. Which is your fucking problem."
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>.....people ALL OF A SUDDEN (myactual words) having a fear of police >based on current events, while they don't do the same for other events.

What the fuck are you talking about? Do you really think that black people throughout American history have based that fear off of something other than their black contemporaries getting beaten and killed unjustly? What the fuck else would they base that shit on, I mean besides looking back at the previous group of black people who were unjustly beaten and killed?

Also, people DO rush to judgement based of current events. People of all stripes, colors, and creeds. See: Every fad diet ever.

FOH like this is exclusive to black people or that somehow what we're afraid of is less valid than what other people react to.

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203. "good points, but not an argument for irrationality of fear."
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222. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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168. "The fear appears pretty rational to me"
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180. "I refuse to walk in a perpetual state of fear of cops."
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Yes, I've been stopped and frisked for no reason multiple times. I still refuse to walk in fear because of my experiences as well as what has been in the headlines these days. Am I cautious? Sure. But terrified? Hell nah. That fear will have you trapped. I've got better things to do with my time.



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185. "word."
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192. "This is not an argument for the irrationality of fear."
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183. "Considering the police were the main ones beating our ass in the streets"
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Blowing us down the street with fire hoses and attacking us with dogs... I think we have come very far and doing quite well. I'm surprised we're not openly killing them every chance we got.


The police for blacks is like making friends with the uncle who molested your grandma...

I mean, I've personally heard the police call my brother a nigger. I think my irrational fear is light considering.




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187. ""Statistically" All people have irrational fears"
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Because there is always something out there that can do greater harm statistically than those that provoke the most fear. So making this a post about only Black people is very short sighted.

  

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189. "That's 100% correct "
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I can't see where I said Black people are the only ones though.

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191. "So if ALL people do this, why make the TOPIC about Black people?"
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You made the topic about Blacks did you not? I didn't say you said that Blacks are the only ones with irrational fears. With 'ALL' encompassing such a variety of so many people, why are Blacks being singled out? That's my concern.

Oh, and going back to statistical values.....statistically police are doing more harm than good to Black Americans when compared to Americans of other ethnicity, so statistically the Black fear of police is not irrational.

  

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206. "RE: So if ALL people do this, why make the TOPIC about Black people?"
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>You made the topic about Blacks did you not? I didn't say
>you said that Blacks are the only ones with irrational fears.
>With 'ALL' encompassing such a variety of so many people, why
>are Blacks being singled out? That's my concern.
>

If it's raining in other cities why single out the rain in your city? Because that's what's relevant to you in that moment.

>Oh, and going back to statistical values.....statistically
>police are doing more harm than good to Black Americans when
>compared to Americans of other ethnicity, so statistically the
>Black fear of police is not irrational.

Try again. That means that it's not irrational when compared to OTHER races. Simply meaning that black people have more to fear as it pertains to the topic than white people, for example. But when you compare it to the other threats of death for Black people. ..

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211. "Powerlessness against corrupt and murderous cops can inspire fear"
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>Try again. That means that it's not irrational when compared
>to OTHER races. Simply meaning that black people have more to
>fear as it pertains to the topic than white people, for
>example. But when you compare it to the other threats of death
>for Black people. ..


Hold on, so when Blacks watch the news and see an innocent Black person murdered on video at the hands of police and those cops are later found innocent how are they supposed to feel? Safe because they can more likely die of a car accident or by other means?

It may be terrible but Black on Black crime.......someone is going to jail; especially if on video. Police harassing or murdering an innocent Black human being, even if on video, will more than likely be found innocent despite violation of oath and law.

  

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214. "You're twisting my stance, which is amazing considering..."
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how many times I've repeated myself.

The irrationality I speak of has to do with looking at OTHER current events and NOT expressing a similar sense of fear.

If you are a parent, and read about Arnesha Bowers, and have little reaction..

If you are a husband (or single woman for that matter) and read about Ama Chandra, and simply say "That's messed up."...

If you constantly read about the numerous people under 30 being shot at an alarming rate since April and it not disturb your day...

But then look at the Sandra Bland case and lose your shit, you. are. irrational.

This post has nothing to do with the perpetrator going to jail, its about fear of potential occurrence that is DISPROPORTIONATE relative to the response to that which is more likely to happen.

That's really all I've been talking about.

I literally saw a post on Facebook today where someone provided instructions of what to do with her children if she dies in police custody...tagging people and whatnot. You have lived in Baltimore all your life and you pick today to do that? And on facebook?

Emotional response is rarely rational so the fact that some of y'all are tripping off me call a spade a spade is silly.

I'm not mad or surprised at anyone being irrational but some of it is over the top and many people are fear mongering even if they don't realize.

If anybody misunderstands or disagrees at this point, it's whatever. Chop it up however you choose.

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220. "You don't understand fear very well."
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227. "How do you know people are not outraged again?"
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Is it because Blacks are a monolithic group who express fear and outrage the same way? Just because people don't respond how you want them to doesn't mean there is apathy or there is less concern.

I went to bet.com and read
Arnesha Bowers: Baltimore Outraged Over Sexual Assault and Killing of Teen

So I do believe people are just as outraged about other killings/attacks as well as those perpetrated by the police. They may not always go on social media to express that outrage though. And I think that last straw that sends people over the edge regarding police is, like I said before, justice not coming to guilty cops.

It's a skewed perception. So just because the social media may be disproportionate, doesn't mean the Black fear of police is irrational.

  

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229. "Do a cntrl+f with my name and "outrage""
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And let me know how that works out.


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230. ""Lose your shit" = become outraged. No?"
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What else could "lose your shit" mean? Thievery?

If that is all you can address, then take your "L" and keep it moving. Anything else beyond this point is trolling and is not worthy of a response.

  

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231. "The fact that you can read a line like this:"
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"This post has nothing to do with the perpetrator going to jail, its about fear of potential occurrence that is DISPROPORTIONATE relative to the response to that which is more likely to happen."

...and still come out with your own interpretation is just...sad.

I'm not sure if you get it yet, but to be clear.. I WILL NOT DEBATE YOUR INCORRECT INTERPRETATION.



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232. "no misinterpretation.........points were addressed"
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"its about fear of potential occurrence that is
>DISPROPORTIONATE relative to the response to that which is
>more likely to happen."
>

And my response was, there is no way you can know the amount of fear a people can have based on social media (tweets, facebook posts). How do you know what Blacks, as a people, fear and to what degree they fear?

You admitted that all people fear things when something else is most likely to take them out; unless 100% correct means something else. Kind of like how "lose your shit" cannot mean outrage....but something else right? I still want to know what "lose your shit" means if not outrage...but I digress.

So why is it when it comes to Blacks, it's more upsetting and irrational?

You mentioned Arnesha Bowers yet I linked an online BET article expressing how upset communities were about the occurrence.

So, because you have no way of measuring how Blacks feel as a people, what they fear, and to what degree they fear I find your logic to be off.

Once again, your perception is skewed.

  

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233. "RE: no misinterpretation.........points were addressed"
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>And my response was, there is no way you can know the amount
>of fear a people can have based on social media (tweets,
>facebook posts). How do you know what Blacks, as a people,
>fear and to what degree they fear?

So you also don't know if I'm wrong. My perception is based on what's been made available.

>
>You admitted that all people fear things when something else
>is most likely to take them out; unless 100% correct means
>something else. Kind of like how "lose your shit" cannot mean
>outrage....but something else right? I still want to know
>what "lose your shit" means if not outrage...but I digress.
>
>So why is it when it comes to Blacks, it's more upsetting and
>irrational

Lose your shit, to me, means lose your cool, which in this case is tied to people expressing what I consider to be irrational fear and hysteria.

Also, I never said that it was more upsetting than anything else at all. I agree that most if not all people have some sort of irrational fear (including myself). I just called out what I believe it is. Again, let's stick to what I actually said.

>
>You mentioned Arnesha Bowers yet I linked an online BET
>article expressing how upset communities were about the
>occurrence.
>

Upset isn't an indication of resulting fear. It's just a reaction to it happening at all (i.e. "that's messed up"). Additionally, I just read that article and there is nothing in there that actually supports the title. The only direct quote is from a Police major.

>So, because you have no way of measuring how Blacks feel as a
>people, what they fear, and to what degree they fear I find
>your logic to be off.
>
>Once again, your perception is skewed.

You can believe that if you want, we don't have to agree. But I do appreciate you making an attempt to stick to what I actually said.

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193. "Can we talk about how lazy niggas are?"
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Can't see where I said that niggas are the ONLY lazy people.

Jr high argument tactics.

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208. "yeah and Black lives matter means that other lives don't."
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Right??

Wanna keep going?

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Another Jr high level response....ok, player.....

  

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double post.

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205. "you're a moron"
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Finish middle school before talking about rationality,irrationality, etc. It's over your head.

  

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207. "Yeah because primary school insults are so impressive."
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sosumi
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210. "They don't come by ones..."
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Kira
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213. "To dismiss our concerns as laughable is a slap in the face.."
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... to the those that have died over the years. That's a really distasteful statement from someone I hope is not trolling.

There's nothing irrational about this at all. For the record, I'm not scared of shit and more on that later.

Every innocent black death sets another precedent that did not exist 30 years ago. With Trayvon it was the hoodie something something black rage. Adam Dunn kills a teenager because of their music, goes home, and eats food. Freddie Gray was illegally arressted. Let that sink in for a second: cops see you and arrest you because they feel like it. Sandra Bland was a routine traffic stop. I could go on and on and on about new precedents set. Bottom line is none of this is unwarranted.

Personally, I've come to the stark realization that at some point I could be a victim of this situation. Some white person will see me in an area and report me for no reason because black bullshit they learned off Fox News. When I die they will go through my phone, computer, web history in order to find something to justify their heinous action. These alleged christ like individuals that proclaim to follow the lord will turn their backs on me and that's what it is. Nothing about this is irrational and all of it is factual.

The most upsetting thing is the lack of support from everyone. If this was blonde white women 5'4 160 pounds then reform happens tomorrow. I'm not whining at all just pointing out what this is.

It's not irrational to be worried that someone can report you for no reason other than your skin to a police officer that can kill you and get away with it.

  

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215. "#214"
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223. "I don't think "irrational" is the right word here."
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I see what you're getting at but I think you are putting people off with your diction there.

I also think that of all the "irrational" fears we have as Americans--being victimized by terrorists, creepy child-molesting strangers, being haunted by ghosts--this ranks pretty low on the list. Shit is *kinda* real, right?

Again I mean I think there is a backlash and a fear that is probably overdone, but I don't think calling it "irrational" is doing anyone justice here.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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224. "Right, if this had been a post about how Americans and Westerners"
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in general need to be more conscious of the media that we take in and how it shapes our understanding of the world, I'd be all for that...

...but no, it's another, "You know what's wrong with you niggas...?" post.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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225. "If I made a post about the police's irrational fear of Black people..."
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based on media perception among other things no one would have a problem.

Everyone would be ready to pull out statistics of crimes committed by white people in comparison to Blacks.

So please stop acting as if topics that can be applied to others should ONLY be discussed generally.

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237. "Yeah, but you wouldn't make that post would you?"
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You made the post about how black people are wrong and bad for interpreting information the way others humans do.

And I'm not stopping you from making posts discussing whatever it is you want to discuss.

I just ride for black people, and when I see that we're being unfairly called out I'm going to say something.

But hey man you go right ahead telling black people that bias in law enforcement isn't something we need to worry about.

Good luck telling people this shit in such a poorly thought out manner, I've got to get ready to go to work...in the hood...helping people who are routinely harassed by cops.

  

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239. "RE: Yeah, but you wouldn't make that post would you?"
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>You made the post about how black people are wrong and bad
>for interpreting information the way others humans do.
>
>And I'm not stopping you from making posts discussing whatever
>it is you want to discuss.
>
>I just ride for black people, and when I see that we're being
>unfairly called out I'm going to say something.
>
>But hey man you go right ahead telling black people that bias
>in law enforcement isn't something we need to worry about.
>
>Good luck telling people this shit in such a poorly thought
>out manner, I've got to get ready to go to work...in the
>hood...helping people who are routinely harassed by cops.



^^^^^^This is where I'm at.....

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240. "In other words:"
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"Yes you're right it's only an issue because it's about black people"

Thanks.

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226. "I can understand what you're saying... however the irony. ."
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of this discussion is there are three different rebuttals going on:

1 - It isn't irrational

2 - It is irrational, but that's perfectly fine

3 - It's irrational (technically) but that word shouldn't be used

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234. "I think "heightened" or at most *exaggerated* works, not irrational"
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So my rebuttal is that while your argument has merit in some ways (reading quickly through some replies, that is), the initial premise is stated in a way that is at once inaccurate and a nonstarter for many people you are trying to reach.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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235. "Exaggerated is fair."
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228. "This post is a reflection of white folks audacity to deem something..."
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As irrational cuz it doesn't affect you

Yall never cease to amaze me

  

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242. "Can We Talk About Women's Irrational Fear of Rape?"
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Granted, these incidents are very real.

Granted, these incidents deserve serious attention AND
action.

HOWEVER....

(there should be no "however" unless you want to troll)

My issue is with women who all of a sudden get into a panic like...

"How an I supposed to down the street without being in
fear of my safety????"

"What am I supposed to tell my daughters???"

"They are raping us!! What is we gon' do???"

Ummm what??

(that is what your dumb ass sounds like)


>People pass by fatal car accidents every other day on 95 and
>695, yet continue texting while driving, recording instagram
>videos while driving, and driving confidently to and from work
>every day.

>Yet every few months when there is a police-involved incident,
>people are all of a sudden "afraid for their lives".

>Stop.

you really compared avoidable car accidents to unavoidable police brutality

  

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244. "If that's what you got from it God bless you."
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But if you really think you're gonna fly in after 240 replies and make an impressive point, let me assure you...

No.

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246. "sorry, I was flying all day Friday and at a family reunion this weekend"
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but yeah all I did was substitute a few words in hopes of showing you how dumb you sounded

fear of airplanes crashing is irrational. maybe you arent on social media but black people are being brutalized by police often enough for our panic levels to be heightened (btw who ARE you to tell us what we shouldnt be fearful of?)

women are also raped enough to be fearful of it

you either made a troll post or you just didnt think this one out

lol @ "you came in 240 posts late, that isnt impressive" please eat a dick

  

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247. "go read through some replies. God bless "
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248. "I skimmed most of the post before replying. no one made my point"
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but hey if your counterpoint is "you got here late, God bless" have fun being a snide prick

  

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249. "great!"
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250. "RE: Can We Talk About Black Folks Irrational Fear of The Police?"
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251. "On the real......"
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Fuck this post.....

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