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Buddy_Gilapagos
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"I guess y'all proud of these Yale Protesters too huh?"


  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QqgNcktbSA

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-intolerance-of-student-activism-at-yale/414810/

The Atlantic has been moaning about intolerance on campus's for a minute now but this is probably best makes their case.

Kinda crazy IMHOP. Pretty sure youngin will grow to regret screaming on faculty like that at some point in her life.



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what?
Nov 09th 2015
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Yeah she could have done much better there
Nov 09th 2015
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these fuckin kids
Nov 09th 2015
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god damn some of those kids are fuckin lame
Nov 09th 2015
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Too late.
Nov 09th 2015
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      This is unfortunate....
Nov 10th 2015
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You have to understand what it's like being on the receiving end
Nov 09th 2015
6
that's making up a job description that doesn't exist
Nov 10th 2015
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if that nice woman's letter(and by all accounts her and her husband
Nov 10th 2015
8
It's not about the nice letter, it's about the overall environment...
Nov 10th 2015
121
      thanks for the context, it's not hard to see why they'd be outraged
Nov 10th 2015
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An email blast saying hey cultural appropriation
Nov 10th 2015
13
      bingo
Nov 10th 2015
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      It was an email to a residential college at Yale.
Nov 10th 2015
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           are you saying this is like an email chain...
Nov 10th 2015
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                No, I am saying the residential college gets together all the time to di...
Nov 10th 2015
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                     in that case, they should have done it when they got together.
Nov 10th 2015
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you had a chance to go to a HBCU & you didnt.
Nov 10th 2015
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This was in hs. I've never once said anything negative about a hbcu
Nov 10th 2015
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edit; because I need to clarify...
Nov 10th 2015
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FOR THE LAST TIME, I DIDN'T CHOOSE WHERE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL.
Nov 10th 2015
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My comment wasn't directed to you or your highschool...it was a general
Nov 10th 2015
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Also, I hate the smug "you shoulda went to an HBCU" type
Nov 10th 2015
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      I dunno...if anything warrants more smugness, I think this does....
Nov 10th 2015
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           You made the academic choice that was right for you when you were 17
Nov 10th 2015
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                I'll be 39 in 15 days. It's the right choice for me.
Nov 10th 2015
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.
Nov 10th 2015
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^^^^^^
Nov 10th 2015
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You really trying to splain to us what it is like to be a minority?
Nov 10th 2015
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Sounds more like a missed opportunity to learn about white society
Dec 09th 2015
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never apologize.
Nov 10th 2015
11
Protest movements need to be led by young people
Nov 10th 2015
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these kids live on campus so they are likely freshmen.
Nov 10th 2015
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      .
Nov 10th 2015
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           Well that changes everything.
Nov 10th 2015
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                actually they are...
Nov 10th 2015
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fck, college kids are so insufferable these days. I KNOW we weren't like...
Nov 10th 2015
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More annoying : this girl or the Bernie sanders speech interrupters?
Nov 10th 2015
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I'm proud of her. Right or wrong, she's passionate, stuck to her guns...
Nov 10th 2015
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The same can be said for Nazis, Hutu Extremist, ISIS members, etc.
Nov 10th 2015
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thats prolly the dumbest argument youve used since i been on here
Nov 10th 2015
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I forgot to include Eagles fan to the list of loud, passionate and wrong...
Nov 10th 2015
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      Dallas and Giants fans too
Nov 10th 2015
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           They got rings though.
Nov 10th 2015
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                they still some heauxs
Nov 10th 2015
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Or Gandhi or MLK or Jesus. Shut the fuck up man.
Nov 10th 2015
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When was MLK, Ghandi and Jesus screaming on people to shut the fuck
Nov 10th 2015
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dispassion is a hallmark of civil disobedience.
Nov 10th 2015
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Yeah, I never said "dispassionate" though. Of course activist are passio...
Nov 11th 2015
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lol who is the he that you're referring to?
Nov 10th 2015
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never read about Jesus or MLK calling Africans subhuman
Dec 09th 2015
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did those people behave in a worse fashion...
Nov 11th 2015
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      Did they shoot anyone in the fucking face?
Nov 11th 2015
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           lol what?
Dec 08th 2015
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Revolutionaries, guerrilla groups, freedom-fighters, etc.
Nov 10th 2015
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that's a sad basis for pride
Nov 10th 2015
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cry about it
Nov 10th 2015
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youre proud of loud and wrong? a truly astonishing revelation!
Nov 11th 2015
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This video kinda highlights the relevancy of HBCU's for me....
Nov 10th 2015
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These "liberals" act more and more like fascists as time goes on
Nov 10th 2015
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it's b/c of them GMOs in the craft cocktails.
Nov 10th 2015
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it's a slippery slope
Nov 10th 2015
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      yup. ever since they took porn off Vine
Nov 10th 2015
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           Titties are disappearing from Dailymotion, too.
Nov 10th 2015
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                and they took the 'Christ' out of bath salts.
Nov 10th 2015
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                     starbucks coffee cups are red
Nov 10th 2015
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                          these are the last days.
Nov 10th 2015
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what the hell is going on here?
Nov 10th 2015
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If the Social Justice Movement "Jumps the Shark", it's bad news for us a...
Nov 10th 2015
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wait, last week, weren't you trying to go in on me for calling out that
Nov 10th 2015
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No, wrong person but even still that was distinguishable from this.
Nov 10th 2015
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      my bad. either way. I agree with you here.
Nov 10th 2015
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Right. This story jeopardizes everything.
Nov 10th 2015
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lol..why you always to EXTRA ??? lol
Nov 10th 2015
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Doing too much.
Nov 10th 2015
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      i'm agreeing that we should clutch the pearls
Nov 10th 2015
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i think some of this is to be expected
Nov 10th 2015
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      I think we are adults enough to know this single incident won't
Nov 10th 2015
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           of course backlash is coming.
Nov 10th 2015
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                the backlash should come. it's the marketplace of ideas at work.
Nov 10th 2015
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                     word.
Nov 10th 2015
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                     I guess my concern is the movement becoming an ineffective caricature
Nov 10th 2015
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weirdos
Nov 10th 2015
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i think age has much to do with this
Nov 10th 2015
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agreed
Nov 10th 2015
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I wish you old apathetic out of touch Negroes would shut up
Nov 10th 2015
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Why we gotta be old though??? that shit sting Ma
Nov 10th 2015
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Amen.
Nov 10th 2015
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But you were in agreement that she was extra.
Nov 10th 2015
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      but she is a woman so fuck the facts...
Nov 10th 2015
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      yup.
Nov 10th 2015
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           agreed.
Nov 10th 2015
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Freedom from what? Good advice like in this letter?
Nov 10th 2015
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to be clear, they were upset about a response letter
Nov 10th 2015
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      Is this the response letter?
Nov 10th 2015
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           yep. that's it. i don't find it offensive either, personally.
Nov 10th 2015
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           Are you kidding me?
Nov 11th 2015
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                What? How?
Nov 11th 2015
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                What student letter? Who was a coward? Is it me or you who is confused?
Nov 11th 2015
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                     Here's the letter, since she couldn't be bothered to provide sources:
Dec 09th 2015
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seriously.
Nov 10th 2015
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Not even old. Just comfortably ignorant.
Nov 10th 2015
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LMFAO!
Nov 11th 2015
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I wish you old apathetic out of touch Negroes would shut up
Nov 10th 2015
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Thing is.....this girl isn't risking anything.
Nov 10th 2015
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nah she's risking a lot for her age
Nov 10th 2015
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      What "Truth" was she speaking. She is outraged that someone disagrees
Nov 10th 2015
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      ''HER'' truth...
Nov 10th 2015
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           So what's her problem?
Nov 10th 2015
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           you ask her
Nov 10th 2015
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                So... all that screaming and she didn't even express her problem
Nov 10th 2015
           Fuck that. Your "truth" doesn't give you the right to scream on me.
Nov 10th 2015
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                you're right - this discussion hurts the youth.
Nov 10th 2015
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                     lol
Nov 10th 2015
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                     It's seems your only mode is sarcasm and exaggeration these days.
Nov 10th 2015
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                          why does it seem that way to you?
Nov 10th 2015
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                          Basic appeal to ridicule
Nov 10th 2015
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                               well i am a 'basic bitch' so that's to be expected.
Nov 10th 2015
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                                    It's intellectually dishonest.
Nov 10th 2015
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                                         that makes sense b/c i'm a professional liar.
Nov 10th 2015
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                                         as usual, multiple things are happening in the thread
Nov 10th 2015
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                                              i literally don't know what denny is talking about
Nov 10th 2015
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                                              i get it.
Nov 10th 2015
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                                              it's not like we don't know what the other is thinking.
Nov 10th 2015
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                                                   am i the only person on OKP who's not allowed to have 'fun'?
Nov 10th 2015
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                                                        yes. we took a vote.
Nov 11th 2015
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                                         since when do ppl care about logical fallacies around here?
Nov 10th 2015
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                                              I care, but I can only speak for myself
Nov 10th 2015
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      there's a line between speaking up and throwing a tantrum
Nov 10th 2015
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           and she's probably only 18 or 19 yrs old.
Nov 10th 2015
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                yep. i don't envy having that growth age
Nov 10th 2015
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                     so true.
Nov 10th 2015
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                     ^ talking sense.
Nov 10th 2015
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                     Good point.
Nov 10th 2015
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                          If it was your daughter hopefully
Nov 10th 2015
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                               Yah.
Nov 10th 2015
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What? "The youth are out here risking everything for all of our freedom"
Nov 10th 2015
130
Just watched the video, and these students are entitled-as-fuck
Nov 10th 2015
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it's b/c of those participation trophies they give out
Nov 10th 2015
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While you're joking... the "special snowflake syndrome" is clear here
Nov 10th 2015
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      i blame all of those marshmallows in kids' cereal.
Nov 10th 2015
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           While you're joking... these chemicals in children's food ARE bad:
Nov 10th 2015
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                ctrl + f "special snowflake"
Nov 10th 2015
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yup, super entitled
Nov 10th 2015
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I thought the initial letter wanted students to have this talk with each...
Nov 10th 2015
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I tend to align with the "SJW" types most of the time, but
Nov 10th 2015
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Yeah, I thought "it's YOUR community" was part of the argument
Nov 10th 2015
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Yup. My interpretation of the letter was who is to say what's offensive
Nov 11th 2015
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i feel its possible to be
Nov 10th 2015
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"She's not lefting right" (c/o my girlfriend)
Nov 10th 2015
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nobody would be talking bout it, if she didn't get a little loud and ang...
Nov 10th 2015
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      Talking about what?
Nov 10th 2015
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Poor parenting and communication skills.
Nov 10th 2015
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This is unfortunate. Now they putting girl and her White momma on blast
Nov 10th 2015
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smh why do people always take things too far?
Nov 10th 2015
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In 2015, I just believe that a college student doesn't *get* the Interne...
Nov 10th 2015
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      If there were cameras around when I was a Senior in college, I'd be
Nov 10th 2015
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      You'd adapt and know not to do certain things in public
Nov 10th 2015
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           what would you like to see happen to her as a result of this video?
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           Nothing. I didn't advocate any action.
Nov 10th 2015
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                i didn't say you advocated for any action against her.
Nov 10th 2015
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                     I just want people to have accountability and not play the victim...
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                          i'm sure you do.
Nov 10th 2015
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                               Believe it or no SoWhat, I enjoy arguing with you
Nov 10th 2015
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                                    *bows*
Nov 10th 2015
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           Brah I am worried about if what I did last Saturday night
Nov 10th 2015
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      yup. let's go GET HER!
Nov 10th 2015
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           Thing is, her being a bi-racial girl white a white momma and African Dad...
Nov 10th 2015
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           yup. i saw that video of Prez Obama screaming at Columbia admins.
Nov 10th 2015
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                That Ninja wrote a whole book about his daddy issues.
Nov 10th 2015
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                     shole did.
Nov 10th 2015
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           It definitely is a 'gotcha' scenario.
Nov 10th 2015
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                this whole bullshit conversation is just another version of
Nov 10th 2015
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                So privilege and entitlement are no longer relevant?
Nov 10th 2015
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                     But.....
Nov 10th 2015
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                          it's demeaning for non whites to debate those who say there isn't racism
Dec 09th 2015
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a few points:
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THAT GOOD JUDGEMENT ^^^
Nov 11th 2015
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RE: a few points:
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RE: a few points:
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Yale University instructor tied to race protests resigns
Dec 08th 2015
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Yale made it sound like she is welcome back at anytime
Dec 08th 2015
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what a shit article
Dec 08th 2015
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RE: I guess y'all proud of these Yale Protesters too huh?
Dec 08th 2015
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There was an actual discussion. Their demands are phenomenal.
Dec 09th 2015
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Yale teacher resigns
Dec 09th 2015
180

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1. "what?"
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fuck you.

  

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dustin
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2. "Yeah she could have done much better there"
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Mon Nov-09-15 07:58 PM by dustin

          

"It is not about creating an intellectual space" is when she cemented the L

Yelling like that makes people not care about any point she might have. She just loud ass black girl. Esp when the faculty is being so reserved and composed. Her yelling shut up and cursing is just cringe-inducing and makes people pull out the "typical SJW"/"grow some thick skin" responses

  

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veritas
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3. "these fuckin kids"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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sndesai1
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4. "god damn some of those kids are fuckin lame"
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lmao @ having a breakdown because of a politely worded letter about halloween costumes

that professor has way more patience than me. i hope he and his wife don't end up apologizing

  

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Ted Gee Seal
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5. "Too late."
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http://www.vox.com/2015/11/7/9689330/yale-halloween-email

Nicholas Christakis apologized Friday, though saying he thought his wife's email was well-intentioned: "We understand that it was hurtful to you, and we are truly sorry," he wrote in an email to Silliman students, according to the Yale Daily News. "We understand that many students feel voiceless in diverse ways and we want you to know that we hear you and we will support you."

Just IMO though.

  

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rorschach
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9. "This is unfortunate...."
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One of these colleges is going to have to get their hands dirty by standing up for themselves. This trend of making everything a catastrophe is getting out of hand and becoming its own culture.

It's one thing to protest something like discrimination or malfeasance at an educational institution but protesting the faculty's right to foster an intellectual environment should be a no-go.

  

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ndibs
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6. "You have to understand what it's like being on the receiving end "
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And a minority at an institution like that.

It's kind of like in hs, when I had to sit in sex ed and the teacher told the class...
Just so you know, if you don't want to date anyone black, that's not racist. That's just a preference, just like I prefer to date blondes.

If this was in a class and they were having an intellectual discussion about this, it'd be different. Here you have a person in authority, essentially discouraging students from being racially sensitive and minimizing the cultural appropriation issue and if that persons job is to create a home for students and make them feel welcome, then that IS a failure.

It is already difficult for minority students at places like this and it shows a lack lf empathy. In reality, it could be perfectly intellectually correct or at least debatable to say something like not dating blacks isn't racist, or dressing up like Milan isn't racist. (Not saying I agree). That's irrelevant bc creating an intellectual discussion isn't their job. Creating a home for students is.

But to understand this you really have to be able to put yourself in these students shoes and most people can't.

  

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sndesai1
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7. "that's making up a job description that doesn't exist"
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Tue Nov-10-15 01:51 AM by sndesai1

  

          

from http://yalecollege.yale.edu/campus-life/residential-colleges
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The master is the chief administrative officer and the presiding faculty presence in each residential college. He or she is responsible for the physical well being and safety of students in the residential college, as well as for fostering and shaping the social, cultural, and educational life and character of the college. During the year, he or she hosts lectures, study breaks (especially during finals), and Master’s Teas—intimate gatherings during which students have the opportunity to engage with renowned guests from the academy, government, or popular culture.
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while the house masters are supposed to be responsible for the safety/well-being of the students, they are clearly also supposed to be involved in their academic/intellectual/personal development. they're not just some foster parents who took in a bunch of 18 year olds.

if a professor starting discourse at a university about a relatively benign topic is enough to trigger a student into skipping classes/meals, losing sleep, and having breakdowns, that student probably shouldn't be attending a university. especially if the premise of the professor's e-mail was that administrators should trust the students to self-censure and govern among themselves what is appropriate rather than having rules dictated to them from above

  

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J_Stew
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8. "if that nice woman's letter(and by all accounts her and her husband"
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have done a great job) about simply having respectful discourse can cause you to feel unsafe, lose sleep, miss class, etc, you just aren't meant for this world. And your reaction is also to aggressively scream obscenities at said person, vilify, and wish them harm, and that's acceptable behavior in your mind??? Must be nice to sleep at night thinking you aren't the total shitbag in the situation.

  

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ndibs
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121. "It's not about the nice letter, it's about the overall environment..."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-lewis/whats-really-going-on-at-yale_b_8512736.html


By now, you've probably seen the video of a Yale student yelling at a professor, the Facebook post about a "white girls only" party, or the email about offensive Halloween costumes. Unfortunately, the short YouTube clips and articles I've seen don't even come close to painting an accurate picture of what's happening at Yale. I'm a senior here, and I've experienced the controversy firsthand over the past week (and years). I want to tell a more complete story and set a few facts straight.

For starters: the protests are not really about Halloween costumes or a frat party. They're about a mismatch between the Yale we find in admissions brochures and the Yale we experience every day. They're about real experiences with racism on this campus that have gone unacknowledged for far too long. The university sells itself as a welcoming and inclusive place for people of all backgrounds. Unfortunately, it often isn't.

Much of the media's coverage of Yale has made it seem like students are only rallying because of an email sent by Professor Erika Christakis. (Her email suggested that culturally insensitive costumes should be allowed because they spark healthy, intellectual dialogue). However, students have had serious and legitimate concerns about race at Yale far before Christakis sent her email. They have been speaking up about the issue for years and, up to this point, have been largely ignored. Chronic racism isn't newsworthy. It quietly whittles away at the hearts and minds of people who feel like they're not being heard.

On Wednesday night, I sat in the Afro-American Cultural Center with several hundred students and listened to people of color share their stories. For three hours, my friends spoke out about the racial discrimination they've experienced at Yale -- in and out of the classroom. Many people (especially women of color) said they feel physically and psychologically unsafe here. Just last weekend, several women said they were turned away from a social event at SAE because it was for "white girls only." The truth about what happened at SAE is important, but it's not what students of color are protesting about. They've encountered racial discrimination far too often and for far too long on this campus. These experiences are not imagined, nor are they trivial.

Last year, there were swastikas found outside a freshman dorm. The Yale College Dean, Jonathan Holloway, sent an email to the entire student body condemning this "shameful defacement" within one day.

It took almost a full week for Yale's president to formally acknowledge students' legitimate concerns about racism and the incident at SAE. Here's what happened while we waited for a sign of support from the administration.

cont'd...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-lewis/whats-really-going-on-at-yale_b_8512736.html

  

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127. "thanks for the context, it's not hard to see why they'd be outraged"
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or feel unsafe. I don't agree with her behavior to the professor, but I guess maybe he is the only person they can take those feelings out on. If all of that stuff has happened recently, it's probably bad timing on their(the professor couple) part to send an email like that, even though the premise of the email is correct.

  

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13. "An email blast saying hey cultural appropriation "
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Might be alright, *IS* harmful where the majority is white privileged ad already feels empowered to do things like dress up in black face or walk around like a geisha singing Ching Chong.

You're not doing anything positive towards...

fostering and shaping the social, cultural, and educational life and character of the college.

Sending out an email like that.

If this was an intellectual classroom discussion it might be different. This was an email blast. It was not. It was, hey this is how we as the authorities feel about this topic.

  

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Brotha Sun
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28. "bingo"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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51. "It was an email to a residential college at Yale. "
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Residential Colleges are very much like classrooms with the idea that intellectual discussions should go beyond the classroom and be part of the residential experience as well. Those discussions are to be lead by the , ahem, the "Master" of the college.

Free Speech versus cultural respect is a perfectly appropiate topic to be discussed in this setting.


>Might be alright, *IS* harmful where the majority is white
>privileged ad already feels empowered to do things like dress
>up in black face or walk around like a geisha singing Ching
>Chong.
>
>You're not doing anything positive towards...
>
>fostering and shaping the social, cultural, and educational
>life and character of the college.
>
>Sending out an email like that.
>
>If this was an intellectual classroom discussion it might be
>different. This was an email blast. It was not. It was,
>hey this is how we as the authorities feel about this topic.
>


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Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
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117. "are you saying this is like an email chain..."
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where everyone has a voice in the discussion and can respond openly?

cause that's not like what it seems like.

  

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128. "No, I am saying the residential college gets together all the time to di..."
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timely academic and social topics.

Should have been on a campus when we discussed the OJ Verdict. That ish was bananas.


>where everyone has a voice in the discussion and can respond
>openly?
>
>cause that's not like what it seems like.
>
>


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158. "in that case, they should have done it when they got together."
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10. "you had a chance to go to a HBCU & you didnt."
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whats more you have shat on everything associated with HBCUs if not Black ppl in general for as long as ive been paying attn.

now its 'oh understand what its like being in that position!'

uh HELLO MCFLY! thats what YOU wanted. YOU applied there, YOU knew what the deal was when you went, because the white mans education is smarter. deal with that shit now.

  

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12. "This was in hs. I've never once said anything negative about a hbcu"
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And no I didn't have the option to go to an hbcu. I needed every last bit of scholarship and grant money which meant going in a state where I had residency.

  

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20. "edit; because I need to clarify..."
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THAT'S the exact type of student that NEEDS to go to an HBCU.


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21. "FOR THE LAST TIME, I DIDN'T CHOOSE WHERE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL."
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24. "My comment wasn't directed to you or your highschool...it was a general"
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statement regarding the relevance of HBCU's in current times. I had brushed them off myself, even responded in a post last week to that effect....but seeing this clip helped put things back into perspective for me.....

that's why I said "regarding the HBCU thing...."


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26. "Also, I hate the smug "you shoulda went to an HBCU" type "
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Even if it's true, you probably made that choice at age 17. We're really faulting children for following conventional wisdom about which school are better?

  

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31. "I dunno...if anything warrants more smugness, I think this does...."
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The disdain that we face because we went the HBCU route needs as much countering as we can give it....

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36. "You made the academic choice that was right for you when you were 17"
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some people can't see that because they're stuck on PWI. That's fine. I understand why you're defensive. I'm just saying that a lot of people made the WRONG choice when they were 17 (almost surely pushed by their parents). The "you shoulda went to FAMU" just seems like partying.

We place way too much stock in where people went as undergrads. Went to an elite school? At most that proves that you were exceptional between the ages of 14-18. Went to an HBCU? It proves that your parents gave you a foundation in blackness that led you to that academic choice.

  

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43. "I'll be 39 in 15 days. It's the right choice for me."
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>some people can't see that because they're stuck on PWI.
>That's fine. I understand why you're defensive. I'm just
>saying that a lot of people made the WRONG choice when they
>were 17 (almost surely pushed by their parents). The "you
>shoulda went to FAMU" just seems like partying.

Well...duh! lol.. of course it's partying. I STAY shitting on my one homeboy that chose to go to Carolina...shat on ME for damn near 4 years straight while he was there.... but now...whenever we chop it up, he never lets it go unsaid that "damn, i shoulda went to A&T with y'all fam"


>We place way too much stock in where people went as
>undergrads. Went to an elite school? At most that proves that
>you were exceptional between the ages of 14-18. Went to an
>HBCU? It proves that your parents gave you a foundation in
>blackness that led you to that academic choice.

I kinda agree with you. But there's a span of like 5 years when you're just getting started in the workforce, and that choice def. has a major impact on your career trajectory for a lot of majors...


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22. "."
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25. "^^^^^^"
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37. "You really trying to splain to us what it is like to be a minority?"
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If we were going to trade our tales of teachers speaking out of turn I would tell the story of my fifth grade teacher telling our whole class that "Slavery wasn't that bad. It's like if you owned a horse, you wouldn't beat the horse for no reason".

But I don't think that story or your story is very relevant to the story at hand.

The Administrator didn't come at the students incorrectly or say anything patently offensive to the students.

She said something the students objected to and disagreed with and the students were unable to maintain a civil discourse to discuss.

I would also argue that it is intellectually disingenuous to say that the administrators email made anyone "unsafe".




>And a minority at an institution like that.
>
>It's kind of like in hs, when I had to sit in sex ed and the
>teacher told the class...
>Just so you know, if you don't want to date anyone black,
>that's not racist. That's just a preference, just like I
>prefer to date blondes.
>
>If this was in a class and they were having an intellectual
>discussion about this, it'd be different. Here you have a
>person in authority, essentially discouraging students from
>being racially sensitive and minimizing the cultural
>appropriation issue and if that persons job is to create a
>home for students and make them feel welcome, then that IS a
>failure.
>
>It is already difficult for minority students at places like
>this and it shows a lack lf empathy. In reality, it could be
>perfectly intellectually correct or at least debatable to say
>something like not dating blacks isn't racist, or dressing up
>like Milan isn't racist. (Not saying I agree). That's
>irrelevant bc creating an intellectual discussion isn't their
>job. Creating a home for students is.
>
>But to understand this you really have to be able to put
>yourself in these students shoes and most people can't.


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182. "Sounds more like a missed opportunity to learn about white society "
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in a controlled environment. A lot of black youths end up dead learning the same thing.

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11. "never apologize."
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it will never be enough. people wanted the mizzou president to write an apology...handwritten...go to the basketball stadium, READ it..out loud...& still be fired.

fuck that.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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14. "Protest movements need to be led by young people "
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Just not undergrad young. That adolescent brain shit is real. They don't have good judgment or impulse control. We need leaders in their mid-20s.

  

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15. "these kids live on campus so they are likely freshmen. "
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Does Yale require on campus housing for all 4 years? I assume it does for the first. Anyway I agree with you. I couldn't even tell what they're mad about or what the email said in the first place. It seems like everyone is doing too much here.

fuck you.

  

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16. "."
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17. "Well that changes everything."
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Btw, you're wrong.

http://yalecollege.yale.edu/new-students/welcome-yale/getting-started/access-personal-information/housing-and-advising-form

fuck you.

  

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18. "actually they are..."
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http://yalecollege.yale.edu/new-students/welcome-yale/getting-started/access-personal-information/housing-and-advising-form

  

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19. "fck, college kids are so insufferable these days. I KNOW we weren't like..."
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23. "More annoying : this girl or the Bernie sanders speech interrupters? "
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Or c.) all millenials the world over ?

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27. "I'm proud of her. Right or wrong, she's passionate, stuck to her guns..."
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& said what was on her heart.

This was the best time of her life to be that vocal and full of rage.

Id be proud if that was my daughter

  

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38. "The same can be said for Nazis, Hutu Extremist, ISIS members, etc. "
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40. "thats prolly the dumbest argument youve used since i been on here"
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44. "I forgot to include Eagles fan to the list of loud, passionate and wrong..."
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Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

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Ma

  

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45. " Dallas and Giants fans too"
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48. "They got rings though. "
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50. "they still some heauxs"
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58. "Or Gandhi or MLK or Jesus. Shut the fuck up man."
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78. "When was MLK, Ghandi and Jesus screaming on people to shut the fuck"
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up?

MLK, Ghandi and Jesus were all marked by their humility, tolerance and being poised. There was none of that here.

He wasn't proud the girl was passionate, loud and right. He was just happy she was passionate and loud.


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83. "dispassion is a hallmark of civil disobedience."
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that's why Jesus calmly and cooly got those gamblers out of the temple that one time. b/c he was dispassionate.

and MLK was known for barely giving a fuck about the movement. he could hardly be bothered and you can see that lack of passion in his most famous speeches like this one where he's fairly disinterested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vDWWy4CMhE

you are correct, sir.

fuck you.

  

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167. "Yeah, I never said "dispassionate" though. Of course activist are passio..."
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94. "lol who is the he that you're referring to?"
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>He wasn't proud the girl was passionate, loud and right. He was just happy she was passionate and loud.

  

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183. "never read about Jesus or MLK calling Africans subhuman "
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I'd bet the horse and farm you won't find that in the red text.

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162. "did those people behave in a worse fashion..."
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than what they were actually fighting against?

The author makes that point at the very end of the article. Those kids are treating these people like shit, and its way worse than anything they think is being inflicted on them.

The article mentions some wilting lily not being able to sleep during this saga? Just imagine if someone spat in his face and explicitly made evicting him from his home as part of their public agenda.

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164. "Did they shoot anyone in the fucking face?"
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177. "lol what? "
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So as long as someone somewhere is doing something worse, its ok to be an enormous asshole?

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157. "Revolutionaries, guerrilla groups, freedom-fighters, etc."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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39. "that's a sad basis for pride"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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41. "cry about it "
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161. "youre proud of loud and wrong? a truly astonishing revelation!"
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29. "This video kinda highlights the relevancy of HBCU's for me...."
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I lightweight shat on them last week by stating i'd never push my child to go to one, despite the fact that I went to one (AGGIE PRIDE!).....

But seeing this youngin so bent speaks volumes.



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30. "These "liberals" act more and more like fascists as time goes on"
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comply or get fired, huh?

  

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32. "it's b/c of them GMOs in the craft cocktails."
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fuck you.

  

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33. "it's a slippery slope "
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and we are living in an outrage era...



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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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34. "yup. ever since they took porn off Vine"
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things have been steadily sliding down hill into degradation.

fuck you.

  

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52. "Titties are disappearing from Dailymotion, too."
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80. "and they took the 'Christ' out of bath salts."
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that's why we need more police in chat rooms.

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135. "starbucks coffee cups are red"
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and nordstrom won't put up christmas decor until after thanksgiving


i mean
what are we do to w today's movements?
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136. "these are the last days."
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they took the 'Christ' out of that movie Frozen to the point where it's just a movie about snow and ice and stuff like empowering girls to live life on their own terms.

it's a shame.

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35. "what the hell is going on here?"
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42. "If the Social Justice Movement "Jumps the Shark", it's bad news for us a..."
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And every movement has the potential to overreach. As in, lose public support by taking under it's umbrella elements that are extreme, unsympathetic and counter-productive.

You try to put an email about Halloween customs on the same level as BLM movement, then you are diminishing and undermining the BLM.

No when to say when. Chill out with the “catastrophizing”.





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46. "wait, last week, weren't you trying to go in on me for calling out that "
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woman professor for the same shit when she got politely stopped while jogging???


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47. "No, wrong person but even still that was distinguishable from this. "
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49. "my bad. either way. I agree with you here."
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53. "Right. This story jeopardizes everything."
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They might try and impeach Obama over this. It's DIRE! You are correct to be concerned. And your concern feels very genuine. This post is crucial.

fuck you.

  

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54. "lol..why you always to EXTRA ??? lol"
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55. "Doing too much. "
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75. "i'm agreeing that we should clutch the pearls"
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b/c some college kids are expressing their discontent w/an act by college admin staff since it seems this moment may be THE ONE that pushes the current social justice movements over the tipping point and causes backlash that might ruin EVERYTHING.

and maybe you're right - maybe we're doing too much here by suggesting that this video is a tipping point. maybe our pearl-clutching here is too much. maybe this is really not much of anything and won't tip the scales of social justice in a bad direction. i see it now and i agree w/you again.

good talk.

fuck you.

  

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60. "i think some of this is to be expected"
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and there were similar "fringe" outbursts during the civil rights movement of the 60's. although i think think her response is pretty tame compare to other expressions of anger to oppression.

a movement doesn't hinge on one, two, or even multiple separate incidents (again, im not even sure this video even constitutes an 'incident'). it can affect the media narrative, yes. but i think some people that are going to denounce actions within this social justice movement were waiting to do so anyway.

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62. "I think we are adults enough to know this single incident won't "
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undo a movement.

But you are right that this, and the missouri story, can begin to change the media narrative.

And I think media narrative is a big part of any modern social movement.

Backlash is coming. I wouldn't be surprised if people start pointing to now as the turning point for the backlash.


>and there were similar "fringe" outbursts during the civil
>rights movement of the 60's. although i think think her
>response is pretty tame compare to other expressions of anger
>to oppression.
>
>a movement doesn't hinge on one, two, or even multiple
>separate incidents (again, im not even sure this video even
>constitutes an 'incident'). it can affect the media
>narrative, yes. but i think some people that are going to
>denounce actions within this social justice movement were
>waiting to do so anyway.
>
>


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64. "of course backlash is coming."
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there are always going to be people who oppose a movement.
again, look at the 60's and malcolm x and how the media described himn and his role in the social justice movement then.

it didn't stop the movement. no sharks were jumped.

so i think, while acknowledging that backlash is coming may be on point, its not really significant to the movement 'jumping the shark'

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68. "the backlash should come. it's the marketplace of ideas at work."
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any movement should be able to stand up to its criticism and backlash by expressing the importance of their goal and through the reasonableness (under the circumstances) of their means in attaining that goal.

i'm not sure these movements at Missouri or Yale will be able to do that. maybe one will and the other won't. who could say for certain?

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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76. "word."
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fuck you.

  

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146. "I guess my concern is the movement becoming an ineffective caricature "
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before it can get around to solving the real problem.

Losing focus is terrible for movements.



>any movement should be able to stand up to its criticism and
>backlash by expressing the importance of their goal and
>through the reasonableness (under the circumstances) of their
>means in attaining that goal.
>
>i'm not sure these movements at Missouri or Yale will be able
>to do that. maybe one will and the other won't. who could say
>for certain?
>


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56. "weirdos"
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57. "i think age has much to do with this"
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as well as emotional maturity. shes passionate, i aint mad at her for that. and she may not completely be able to compartmentalize feelings or express them clearly.
i identify with her anger though.

i also wonder if these students, the yale ones in particular, realize the privilege they hold.

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59. "agreed"
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61. "I wish you old apathetic out of touch Negroes would shut up"
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already. The youth are out here risking everything for all of our freedom and all y'all do is talk shit. If you really care about the direction of the movement, get involved. Act as advisors to the teens and 20 somethings. Those of us in our mid 30s are in a special position. The kids will listen to us...we're young enough to relate and we have a certain degree of wisdom.

  

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66. "Why we gotta be old though??? that shit sting Ma"
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67. "Amen."
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fuck you.

  

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69. "But you were in agreement that she was extra. "
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It's kind of like you can't find your agreeing with some people or disagreeing with certain people or POVs.


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70. "but she is a woman so fuck the facts..."
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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73. "yup. "
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i'm glad these kids are expressing themselves even though i think they're doing too much.

fuck you.

  

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74. "agreed."
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these are not mutually exclusive.

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72. "Freedom from what? Good advice like in this letter?"
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Or should faculty have just sat back and waited until one of these kids made an ass of themselves on the Internet by dressing up in an offensive way? Actually, the answer is they should have because now the same "kids" they were trying to help are now coming for their jobs.


"""
Dear Yale students,

The end of October is quickly approaching, and along with the falling leaves and cooler nights come the Halloween celebrations on our campus and in our community. These celebrations provide opportunities for students to socialize as well as make positive contributions to our community and the New Haven community as a whole. Some upcoming events include:

• Haunted Hall Crawl & Costume Ball at Yale Peabody Museum of Natural History
• Grove Street Cemetery Tours, Grove Street Cemetery, New Haven
• YSO’s Halloween Show, Woolsey Hall


However, Halloween is also unfortunately a time when the normal thoughtfulness and sensitivity of most Yale students can sometimes be forgotten and some poor decisions can be made including wearing feathered headdresses, turbans, wearing ‘war paint’ or modifying skin tone or wearing blackface or redface. These same issues and examples of cultural appropriation and/or misrepresentation are increasingly surfacing with representations of Asians and Latinos.

Yale is a community that values free expression as well as inclusivity. And while students, undergraduate and graduate, definitely have a right to express themselves, we would hope that people would actively avoid those circumstances that threaten our sense of community or disrespects, alienates or ridicules segments of our population based on race, nationality, religious belief or gender expression.

The culturally unaware or insensitive choices made by some members of our community in the past, have not just been directed toward a cultural group, but have impacted religious beliefs, Native American/Indigenous people, Socio-economic strata, Asians, Hispanic/Latino, Women, Muslims, etc. In many cases the student wearing the costume has not intended to offend, but their actions or lack of forethought have sent a far greater message than any apology could after the fact…

There is growing national concern on campuses everywhere about these issues, and we encourage Yale students to take the time to consider their costumes and the impact it may have. So, if you are planning to dress-up for Halloween, or will be attending any social gatherings planned for the weekend, please ask yourself these questions before deciding upon your costume choice:

• Wearing a funny costume? Is the humor based on “making fun” of real people, human traits or cultures?

• Wearing a historical costume? If this costume is meant to be historical, does it further misinformation or historical and cultural inaccuracies?

• Wearing a ‘cultural’ costume? Does this costume reduce cultural differences to jokes or stereotypes?

• Wearing a ‘religious’ costume? Does this costume mock or belittle someone’s deeply held faith tradition?

• Could someone take offense with your costume and why?

Here is a great resource for costume ideas organized by our own Community & Consent Educators (CCEs) https://www.pinterest.com/yalecces/

We are one Yale, and the actions of one affect us all..., so in whatever fashion you choose to participate in Halloween activities, we encourage everyone to be safe and thoughtful during your celebration.

Sincerely,

The Intercultural Affairs Committee-

Maria Trumpler – Office of LGBTQ Resources

Sharon Kugler – University Chaplain’s Office

Peter Crumlish – Dwight Hall Center for Public Service & Social Justice

Kelly Fayard – Native American Cultural Center

Omer Bajwa - University Chaplain’s Office

Risë Nelson - Afro American Cultural Center

Leah Cohen – Joseph Slivka Center for Jewish Life

Melanie Boyd - Office of Gender and Campus Culture

Eileen Galvez - La Casa Cultural

Brian Tompkins – Yale Athletics

Saveena Dhall - Asian American Cultural Center

Anne Kuhlman – Office of International Students & Scholars

Burgwell Howard – Yale Dean of the College Office/Office of Student Life
"""


>The youth are out here risking everything for all of
>our freedom and all y'all do is talk shit.

  

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81. "to be clear, they were upset about a response letter"
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that was somewhat critical of the tone and ideas of the letter you posted.

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89. "Is this the response letter?"
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"""
I wanted to share my thoughts with you from a totally different angle, as an educator concerned with the developmental stages of childhood and young adulthood.

As a former preschool teacher... it is hard for me to give credence to a claim that there is something objectionably “appropriative” about a blonde ­haired child’s wanting to be Mulan for a day. Pretend play is the foundation of most cognitive tasks, and it seems to me that we want to be in the business of encouraging the exercise of imagination, not constraining it.

I suppose we could agree that there is a difference between fantasizing about an individual character vs. appropriating a culture, wholesale, the latter of which could be seen as (tacky)(offensive)(jejeune)(hurtful), take your pick. But, then, I wonder what is the statute of limitations on dreaming of dressing as Tiana the Frog Princess if you aren’t a black girl from New Orleans? Is it okay if you are eight, but not 18? I don’t know the answer to these questions; they seem unanswerable. Or at the least, they put us on slippery terrain that I, for one, prefer not to cross.

Which is my point.

I don’t, actually, trust myself to foist my Halloweenish standards and motives on others. I can’t defend them anymore than you could defend yours.
"""

The author of that letter merely SPECULATED that the first letter might be too limiting in its message. Speculated. Which is clear by these lines:

>I don’t know the answer to these questions; they seem unanswerable.
>Or at the least, they put us on slippery terrain that I, for one,
>prefer not to cross.

I'm back at the same place again where I just don't see anything offensive, in either of the letters.

  

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109. "yep. that's it. i don't find it offensive either, personally."
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but for the sake of trying to maintain a reasonable discussion i at least wanted you (and everyone) to be clear which letter they were upset about.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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165. "Are you kidding me?"
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The student's letter was well written and expressed the valid concerns of people of color/religious minorities, in regards to Halloween. I teach at an Ivy Leauge University, and I can't tell you how much of a problem this holiday is every year. The students were right to call people out and demand that they stop with the racist bs. That professor was an idiot and a coward.

  

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166. "What? How?"
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That professor was an idiot and a
>coward.

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168. "What student letter? Who was a coward? Is it me or you who is confused?"
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181. "Here's the letter, since she couldn't be bothered to provide sources:"
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http://downatyale.com/post.php?id=430

In anticipation of the Halloween weekend soon to arrive at Yale, an email was sent out by Dean Burgwell Howard and the Intercultural Affairs Committee in which they implored the Yale body to “avoid those circumstances that threaten our sense of community or disrespects, alienates or ridicules segments of our population based on race, nationality, religious belief or gender expression.” The email also encouraged Yale students to “take the time to consider their costumes and the impact it may have.”

What was simply a request from Yale’s Intercultural Affairs Committee for students to reconsider culturally insensitive costumes was met with criticism when an email was sent out to the students of Silliman College by the Associate Master, Erika Christakis. She wrote her email, as she says, in response to “students who were frustrated by the mass email sent to the student body about appropriate Halloween-wear.”

Associate Master Erika Christakis,

In your email, you defend the right to wear racist or marginalizing costumes as free speech and accuse the Intercultural Affairs Committee of imposing bureaucratic restrictions on the student body. You deem the call for sensitivity “censure” — one which you say comes “from above”, not from the students, as if the repeated requests of many students of color do not count. To equate a suggestion of the IAC, a committee created to challenge bias and promote cultural awareness, respect, and appreciation on campus, with an “institutional exercise of implied control over college students” further erases the voices of the students they stand to protect.

The contents of your email were jarring and disheartening. Your email equates old traditions of using harmful stereotypes and tropes to further degrade marginalized people, to preschoolers playing make believe. This both trivializes the harm done by these tropes and infantilizes the student body to which the request was made. You fail to distinguish the difference between cosplaying fictional characters and misrepresenting actual groups of people. In your email, you ask students to “look away” if costumes are offensive, as if the degradation of our cultures and people, and the violence that grows out of it is something that we can ignore. We were told to meet the offensive parties head on, without suggesting any modes or means to facilitate these discussions to promote understanding. Giving “room” for students to be “obnoxious” or “offensive”, as you suggest, is only inviting ridicule and violence onto ourselves and our communities, and ultimately comes at the expense of room in which marginalized students can feel safe.

These discussions are not new, and have been happening nationally. To ask marginalized students to throw away their enjoyment of a holiday, in order to expend emotional, mental, and physical energy to explain why something is offensive, is — offensive. In the age of the internet, resources can easily be found to explain the history and consequences of these actions. The role of marginalized people on campus is not, and should not be, to constantly educate our peers if they ignore the many opportunities offered — like the one provided by the Intercultural Affairs Committee’s email — to self-explore and learn.

After receiving responses from students and alumni through both social media and email, you responded to critics of your email with a link to the Atlantic Magazine article, “The Coddling of the American Mind.” Not only are you calling our calls to be respected as human beings and not costumes, coddling, but you use an article that doesn’t consider the fact that marginalized people largely do not have the protected upbringings the authors describe. We are not asking to be coddled. The real coddling is telling the privileged majority on campus that they do not have to engage with the brutal pasts that are a part of the costumes they seek to wear. We, however, simply ask that our existences not be invalidated on campus. This is us asking for basic respect of our cultures and our livelihoods.

To be a student of color on Yale’s campus is to exist in a space that was not created for you. From the Eurocentric courses, to the lack of diversity in the faculty, to the names of slave owners and traders that adorn most of the buildings on campus — all are reminders that Yale’s history is one of exclusion. An exclusion that was based on the same stereotypes and incorrect beliefs that students now seek to wear as costumes. Stereotypes that many students still face to this day when navigating the university. The purpose of blackface, yellowface, and practices like these were meant to alienate, denigrate, and to portray people of color as something inferior and unwelcome in society. To see that replicated on college campuses only reinforces the idea that this is a space in which we do not belong.

Sincerely,

Concerned Yale Students, Alumni, Family, Faculty, and Staff

  

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79. "seriously."
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160. "Not even old. Just comfortably ignorant."
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163. "LMFAO!"
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Yeah these kids sure are fighting the good fight!

Trying to get someone fired for daring to offer them agency in their own environment

Truly revolutionary behavior.

This isnt part of a fuckin movement, its the manifestation of a cultural emotional disorder.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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63. "I wish you old apathetic out of touch Negroes would shut up"
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already. The youth are out here risking everything for all of our freedom and all y'all do is talk shit. If you really care about the direction of the movement, get involved. Act as advisors to the teens and 20 somethings. Those of us in our mid 30s are in a special position. The kids will listen to us...we're young enough to relate to them and we have a certain degree of wisdom.

  

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65. "Thing is.....this girl isn't risking anything."
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She's not sacrificing anything. She's perfectly safe while claiming that she 'feels unsafe'. What consequences is she in danger of suffering? The faculty member is the one who has something to lose (ie his job).

  

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71. "nah she's risking a lot for her age"
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possibly bein an outcast as a minority woman on campus, her rep wit administrators, possibly even her safety. don't belittle the strentgh it took for that lil girl to speak her truth



>She's not sacrificing anything. She's perfectly safe while
>claiming that she 'feels unsafe'. What consequences is she in
>danger of suffering? The faculty member is the one who has
>something to lose (ie his job).
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77. "What "Truth" was she speaking. She is outraged that someone disagrees"
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with her.


>possibly bein an outcast as a minority woman on campus, her
>rep wit administrators, possibly even her safety. don't
>belittle the strentgh it took for that lil girl to speak her
>truth
>
>
>
>>She's not sacrificing anything. She's perfectly safe while
>>claiming that she 'feels unsafe'. What consequences is she
>in
>>danger of suffering? The faculty member is the one who has
>>something to lose (ie his job).
>>
>>
>


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Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
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82. "''HER'' truth... "
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her experience, her feelings & those are things that we can't argue wit her about cuz its hers.

she's frustrated its a difference

  

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85. "So what's her problem?"
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Real question: what's her problem?

  

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91. "you ask her"
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"So... all that screaming and she didn't even express her problem"


          

Not a very effective way to solve said problem, but that probably wasn't her reason for confronting that faculty member in the first place.

If SHE can't even articulate her problem, then how are we supposed to do anything about it, or even see a problem in the first place?

  

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86. "Fuck that. Your "truth" doesn't give you the right to scream on me. "
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In fact, when you start that shit up I am going to tune you out.

The administrator wanted to hear her truth, but politely disagreed. And for that youngin threw a temper tantrum.


Y'all are doing a disservice to these young people by encouraging their entitled, and very privileged juvenile temper tantrums because they will eventually learn that ain't nobody in the real world trying to hear all that.



>her experience, her feelings & those are things that we can't
>argue wit her about cuz its hers.
>
>she's frustrated its a difference
>


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90. "you're right - this discussion hurts the youth."
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we need to edit this or else we'll create an entire generation of entitled brats who won't understand that shit ain't sweet and they might end up catching salmonella from eating shit they expected to be sweet b/c they were coddled by the words we are posting on the Internet in this post they will never read.

so true.

fuck you.

  

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95. "lol"
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96. "It's seems your only mode is sarcasm and exaggeration these days. "
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**********
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Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
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97. "why does it seem that way to you?"
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what's going on w/you that it seems that way? are you okay?

fuck you.

  

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98. "Basic appeal to ridicule"
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SoWhat uses those logical fallacies against folks here like Batman tossing batarangs.

  

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102. "well i am a 'basic bitch' so that's to be expected."
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fuck you.

  

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108. "It's intellectually dishonest."
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Because we could just as easy say that a blonde-haired white girl dressing up as Mulan for Halloween is in danger of being the equivalent of the Franz Ferdinand assassination in the coming race war.

"It's no big deal" is essentially what you're saying. It's offensive when it's employed against you. Convenient when used by you. You'll note it's the same argument people use in justifying offensive Halloween costumes.

  

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111. "that makes sense b/c i'm a professional liar."
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well, i mean it makes as much sense as possible given what you just said has nothing to do w/what's being discussed.

fuck you.

  

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113. "as usual, multiple things are happening in the thread"
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sometimes i read you as being dismissive of what people are saying. it doesn't matter if whats being said is incredibly ignorant or just opinionated.

you pick and choose when you want to engage authentically, which is your right of course.

but it sometimes moves the convo off the tracks ala kwesi.

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115. "i literally don't know what denny is talking about"
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given that i haven't taken a position on the costume issue. i've said i think the girl in the video is doing too much in her response to the letter(s) from the admin. i haven't said anything about whatever denny was talking about.

if i'm 'derailing' some subthreads it's b/c i think whatever we (the person to whom i responded) were talking about is not worth further discussion. so i take whatever position they're advocating and run w/it.

fuck you.

  

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122. "i get it."
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and im also somewhat new (to posting, anyway) here, so maybe i just need to get with the times.

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116. "it's not like we don't know what the other is thinking. "
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these post are not the first time these folks have
interacted with each other.

we know each other's positions on most things fairly well.


>you pick and choose when you want to engage authentically,
>which is your right of course.
>
>but it sometimes moves the convo off the tracks ala kwesi.
>
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118. "am i the only person on OKP who's not allowed to have 'fun'?"
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can i not 'joke'?

isn't everything on OKP a joke?

isn't this supposed to be a digital barbershop conversation?

ain't there laughing in the barbershop?

but i can't laugh on OKP?

*shrugs*

fuck you.

  

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171. "yes. we took a vote."
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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112. "since when do ppl care about logical fallacies around here?"
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>It's offensive when it's employed against you. Convenient when
>used by you. You'll note it's the same argument people use in
>justifying offensive Halloween costumes.


"you mad" is clearly an ad hominem. yet ppl use it anyway.
quite frequently.

do we not use logical fallacies anymore?

  

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120. "I care, but I can only speak for myself"
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Real question to you (seriously): Can you answer post #85?

  

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88. "there's a line between speaking up and throwing a tantrum"
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if you disagree about which side of the line she was on you're going to have a hard time agreeing about the amount of courage it took to get there or anything else regarding her conduct in the video.

your courageous girl speaking her truth is a lot of people's antagonistic brat whose frustrations are so baseless she resorts to screaming at a person trying to have a reasonable conversation with her.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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92. "and she's probably only 18 or 19 yrs old."
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she has time to learn. and she's in a great place to learn the lessons she needs - like how to pick and choose her battles. she chose this one, bless her heart, and that's a good first step. i dunno that i'd have chosen it but i like that she's out there making the choice and acting on it.

fuck you.

  

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100. "yep. i don't envy having that growth age"
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at a time when any poorly thought out thing you say or do might easily become the next flavor of the day youtube.

and i do think it's generally better for kids to go overboard in their attempts to figure out the lines in who they are and what they're about than not far enough.

i personally think she embarrassed herself that day, and maybe she will at some point too, but it's probably generally better to have to reign in going too far in youth than spending a life working up the courage to go far enough.

same with the kids who went overboard with the student journalist. they have lots of time to realize that even if they were doing right overall, in that moment they were doing wrong.

in my mind the professor is a different issue though. you expect kids to go overboard to some degree, but she was so caught up in the emotion of the moment that she completely lost sight of her role as an educator and a mentor on that field. that was really disgusting to me.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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104. "so true."
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fuck you.

  

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114. "^ talking sense. "
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119. "Good point."
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When I first saw the link in the OP....I thought to myself 'If that was my daughter I'd stop paying her tuition'. But in reality, I'd cool down after a couple minutes and pay up next due date lol. This is the time for her to be loud and wrong.

  

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123. "If it was your daughter hopefully"
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You'd talk to her about picking battles and the time/place/way we talk to people to try to make our points.

And I'd wager most all of us have acted out in a way that caused a parent or mentor to have that conversation with us and hopefully we grew from it.

It's awfully tempting to trivialize the battles "the new generation" wants to fight and write them off as entitled brats but I think when you write people off that way you're making yourself as irrelevant to them as you think they are to you and it doesn't do anything to help either group besides make them more resolute in their antagonism.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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125. "Yah."
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That's why I'd calm down. I can be honest with myself about some of the shit I said/did when I was her age. I was so extreme and saw the world in terms of good-guys/bad-guys. And completely self-righteous and obnoxious. Like the cliche goes....maybe phases like that are necessary for personal growth. And also...maybe what we perceive as the naive energy/passion of young people is sometimes necessary for societal growth.

End of day...I'd rather my daughter be loud and wrong about issues than not care at all and be disengaged.

  

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130. "What? "The youth are out here risking everything for all of our freedom""
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You must not know the cost of freedom.
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84. "Just watched the video, and these students are entitled-as-fuck"
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It's all about her/their FEELINGS. Their fucking feelings.

  

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87. "it's b/c of those participation trophies they give out"
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at high school graduations.

fuck you.

  

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93. "While you're joking... the "special snowflake syndrome" is clear here"
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Special+Snowflake+Syndrome

  

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101. "i blame all of those marshmallows in kids' cereal."
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fuck you.

  

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131. "While you're joking... these chemicals in children's food ARE bad:"
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http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/children/chemicals.html

lol

  

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133. "ctrl + f "special snowflake""
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NO MATCH FOUND.

but that's just the gubmint hiding the info. all of those chemicals in kids' food is making them lazy narcissists who want the world handed to them. unlike kids of previous eras who understood the value of hard work and that life ain't sweet - those kids understood those lessons w/o needing adults to teach them. before chemicals were used in kids' food all kids were born fully-mature emotionally and had no need for adult instruction. that's why kids were allowed into the workplace back in the wayback - b/c they didn't need to be coddled b/c their brains weren't all warped from the chemicals in their food that made them lazy narcissists.

fuck you.

  

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105. "yup, super entitled"
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w a side of ivy-league 'im special'-ness

she will learn as she grows emotionally. hopefully

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99. "I thought the initial letter wanted students to have this talk with each..."
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Impassioned yelling and everything. Like, the safe space was one where young adults could figure all this shit out for themselves.

Did I read it incorrectly? Because I actually like the degree to which this turned - but not really who it turned on. If that makes sense as a distinction.

______________________________

"Walleye, a lot of things are going to go wrong in your life that technically aren't your fault. Always remember that this doesn't make you any less of an idiot"

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103. "I tend to align with the "SJW" types most of the time, but"
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I'm struggling to find a problem with Christakis' letter. She's not trying to set the parameters of what should be considered offensive, she's just saying that it should be students doing that among themselves (with people inevitably stepping the line every now and then), not the university administrators. Something one can obviously disagree on (I happen to think involvement of authorities in daily life is something that should be endlessly debated), but these students are acting like she invited the KKK over for tea.

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107. "Yeah, I thought "it's YOUR community" was part of the argument"
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Administrators are there so that they can hash all this out in a safe and respectful way, so shit isn't some kind of intellectual Lord of the Flies. But working things out that way is preferable to having the administration offer Halloween costume guidelines.

It doesn't even really argue that the administration shouldn't be involved if somebody has an offensive costume. Just that pre-emption wasn't their job. Unless I missed something.

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172. "Yup. My interpretation of the letter was who is to say what's offensive"
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Dressing up as Pocahontas can be offensive to some and not to others. What about pirates? That's somebody's heritage that is being mocked/appropriated. Should those be banned?

It's not appropriate for some high ranking administrator to determine. The community itself needs to do it.

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106. "i feel its possible to be"
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-i support her (if they are a she) drive and desire to speak
-she's acting like an entitled brat
-she aint comin at me like that (if i was a professor)

...at the same time. there doesn't have to be a line drawn in the sand, ya know?

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110. ""She's not lefting right" (c/o my girlfriend)"
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lol

  

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124. "nobody would be talking bout it, if she didn't get a little loud and ang..."
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126. "Talking about what?"
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Halloween costumes?

This link doesn't make me think about Halloween costumes. It makes me think about the nature of campus environments that are moving away from free speech and debate and towards a sort of facist, echo-chamber of political correctness. That's what this link evokes for me anyways.

It's further indication of what Obama talked about a couple months ago:

I've heard of some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative. Or they don’t want to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African Americans, or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women"

“I’ve got to tell you, I don’t agree with that either. I don’t agree that you, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of views."

What she says kinda crystallizes this for me. "It's not about an intellectual space....It's about creating a home where people feel welcome". I couldn't disagree more. It's not nursery school, it's college/university. If you don't have the fortitude and strength to hear opposing viewpoints and argue them by merit than don't go. But you can't shush people.

  

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129. "Poor parenting and communication skills. "
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132. "This is unfortunate. Now they putting girl and her White momma on blast"
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http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/09/meet-the-privileged-yale-student-who-shrieked-at-her-professor/


See the whole "who the fuck hire you?" left me very bothered and it sounded very much like a privileged kid yelling at the help (Like the Mac & Cheese Uconn kid http://gawker.com/drunken-mac-and-cheese-tantrum-baby-reportedly-expelled-1735177110).


But now putting her government name on blast does actually make it an unsafe space for her.


Not good.



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134. "smh why do people always take things too far?"
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calling her out for being childish and emotional is one thing, but this is so unnecessary

  

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137. "In 2015, I just believe that a college student doesn't *get* the Interne..."
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That would be akin to folks our age getting caught on security cameras and being *shocked* that a video of us doing something attention-getting ended up on the news. She's not a "kid," and presumably has the ability to think before she acts.

Don't want to end up getting "doxxed" then don't be on the Internet. This is a young woman attending Yale, one of the highest-regarded institutes of education in the world. She's a senior, probably 20 years old. This "they are just kids making mistakes" stuff needs to end.

Also, I don't by the victimization of her. She's no less safe because people know her government name. We all have government names.

  

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138. "If there were cameras around when I was a Senior in college, I'd be "
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done for.

The irony though is I am pretty sure folks taped this were in support of her.


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140. "You'd adapt and know not to do certain things in public"
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No more schoolyard fights, we'd go in the bathroom and threaten anyone with a phone out (we actually did that back in the early 90s, sans phone, so that we could fight and not get in trouble).

The lack of foresight and ability to adapt is really bothering me about this generation. At 20, she grew up with tech so there's no reason for her to not know how it works. Maybe a 40yo could be like "I never considered that someone would be recording me..." but not a 20yo that's probably walks around with her phone in her hand.

Again, if she didn't want to be in the spotlight, then she shouldn't have screamed on a college faculty member in public considering today's technology.

  

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141. "what would you like to see happen to her as a result of this video?"
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fuck you.

  

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143. "Nothing. I didn't advocate any action."
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I only pointed out her lack of foresight, apparent lack of understanding about technology and her lack of understanding that every action has a consequence.

She was the aggressor here, and it would show how "fluid" these folks (protesters?) are with morality if suddenly she's the "victim."

  

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144. "i didn't say you advocated for any action against her."
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i asked what you think should happen to her.

it seems your main concern in here is pulling some sort of 'Gotcha!' card. on whom i'm not sure.

but if it's those pesky 'liberals' you've been whining about all day i'm sure they are acting this way b/c they've been negatively influenced by the removal of 'Merry Christmas' greetings in pornography. when they took the 'Christ' out of porn it was the beginning of the end. those 'liberals' have been acting like fascists ever since.

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148. "I just want people to have accountability and not play the victim..."
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...when convenient.

In post #85 I asked what her problem was, and no one answers me. She was passionate enough to scream at a faculty member, but not passionate enough to articulate what was the problem?

From what I gather, she and other students like her are fed up with the entitled white students excluding them from all of the fun, and probably being mildly racist too. What is faculty supposed to do about that? You can't legislate anyone to like anyone else. It's a problem with no solution, which is basically a trap for anyone that even TRIES to solve it (as seen with the faculty members in hot water over a letter).

Edit: To be fair to this young lady, I haven't seen anything that indicates her "playing the victim."

  

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150. "i'm sure you do."
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i dunno what this woman's problem was and i'm not bothered if i can't make it out. she's young she's still learning and that's fine w/me.

i think this entire discussion has been too much ado about nothing and was a giant waste of everyone's time. i blame the abundance of gluten in romantic comedies. they've warped our sense of reality to the point where we can't set coherent priorities and we've lost our sense of what's important and worthy of discussion.

fuck you.

  

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152. "Believe it or no SoWhat, I enjoy arguing with you"
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This conversation here is much more enjoyable for me than something passive like watching TV. Have a great holiday.

  

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153. "*bows*"
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fuck you.

  

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142. "Brah I am worried about if what I did last Saturday night"
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was caught on tape.


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139. "yup. let's go GET HER!"
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she should be tarred and feathered for what she's done.

fuck you.

  

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145. "Thing is, her being a bi-racial girl white a white momma and African Dad..."
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tells me alot. That's a recipe for having issues (in my experience).



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147. "yup. i saw that video of Prez Obama screaming at Columbia admins."
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fuck you.

  

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154. "That Ninja wrote a whole book about his daddy issues. "
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155. "shole did."
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fuck you.

  

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149. "It definitely is a 'gotcha' scenario."
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But really....that's the nature of privilege rhetoric in the first place.

I will NEVER disregard something someone says based solely on their background and I won't do it to this girl either. Identity politics are outta control and this is another example as to why. It should matter not that this girl is rich and has a white mom. But it's really the prevalent university campus idealogy that is coming back to haunt her in the first place. More specifically, the idea that one's background legitimatizes (or de-legitamizes) the substance of their worldview. That she's rich has nothing to do with why I think she's wrong. She would be just as wrong if she was poor.

  

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151. "this whole bullshit conversation is just another version of"
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the 'THESE KIDS TODAY' meme which is always tired and exposes more about the person(s) expousing it than it exposes about 'the kids'.

nothing that happened here is worthy of any discussion outside the four corners of the Silliman College or where ever.

Silliman. how apropos!

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156. "So privilege and entitlement are no longer relevant? "
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I think its appropriate a lot of the time to take into consideration someone's background when evaluating their stance.

A white male saying there isn't a racism and/or discrimination problem at Yale HAS to be evaluated differently from it coming from an underprivileged Lesbian Person of Color. That just can't be processed the same.

My greater point though is privilege checking doesn't stop at affluent white males.

I went to school with them and being a privileged brat cuts across racial and gender lines.



>But really....that's the nature of privilege rhetoric in the
>first place.
>
>I will NEVER disregard something someone says based solely on
>their background and I won't do it to this girl either.
>Identity politics are outta control and this is another
>example as to why. It should matter not that this girl is
>rich and has a white mom. But it's really the prevalent
>university campus idealogy that is coming back to haunt her in
>the first place. More specifically, the idea that one's
>background legitimatizes (or de-legitamizes) the substance of
>their worldview. That she's rich has nothing to do with why I
>think she's wrong. She would be just as wrong if she was
>poor.


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159. "But....."
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The white male who says 'there is no racism' should not be shushed based on his background. There is nothing to gain by silencing viewpoints. He should be debated. On merit. On substance. Disregarding him or ignoring him doesn't accomplish anything. There are people who think that (racism doesn't exist). We should persuade them otherwise....not silence or censor them. It doesn't work in the long run anyways. In a couple hours, Donald Trump will espouse racist views in a presidential candidate debate. How does censoring lectures and speakers on campus work to prevent that? If anything....it turns said speakers into martyrs for that demographic.

Privilege rhetoric can be a useful tool in analyzing and contextualizing real-world circumstances. But when it's used to disregard/silence worldviews....it's counter-productive. And inevitably, it's always selectively employed. So if a white person says "racism doesn't exist"....we should disregard him because his privilege denies him from seeing the truth. If a white person says 'racism exists'....we should NOT disregard him because he is able to see past his privilege? That's when the idealogical carraige is pushing the horse. Whether or not his viewpoint should be disregarded on the basis of privilege depends on whether he agrees with us? It's circular logic and dogmatic. It's a self-reinforcing rule of thumb.

Merit, substance, content. You can't go wrong with that.

  

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184. "it's demeaning for non whites to debate those who say there isn't racism"
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ignoring them is best, but if there's a Tim Wise out there for them to talk to...

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169. "a few points:"
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1) most of you are nuts

2) college aged kids cant be trusted to make mature, logical, well thought out decisions, so she gets a pass from me. no one knows shit about life from 18-22 except the fact that they think they have it all figured out

3) add an Ivy league to #2, her privilege and entitlement are off the charts, nothing really unexpected here

4) most of you are nuts

  

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170. "THAT GOOD JUDGEMENT ^^^ "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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175. "RE: a few points:"
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>1) most of you are nuts
>
>2) college aged kids cant be trusted to make mature, logical,
>well thought out decisions, so she gets a pass from me. no one
>knows shit about life from 18-22 except the fact that they
>think they have it all figured out
>
They are also maturing in a world that is rapidly changing and trying to cope quickly with old tactics... remember these kids were JUST post racial (white friends can say nigga) living in harmony 2 years ago

>3) add an Ivy league to #2, her privilege and entitlement are
>off the charts, nothing really unexpected here

100% true.. I think of the dumb stuff we all did at Penn.. and realize we were all raging self indulgent pricks..

>4) most of you are nuts

old soft ass walnuts though

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178. "RE: a few points:"
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>no one
>knows shit about life from 18-22 except the fact that they
>think they have it all figured out

I knew enough about life at 12 to know that age ain't nothing but a number.

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173. "Yale University instructor tied to race protests resigns"
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-race-yale-idUSKBN0TR1S120151208

A Yale University instructor whose open letter suggesting that students had a right to wear even offensive Halloween costumes set off a wave of campus protests about racism has resigned, the school said.

Yale was one of dozens of U.S. colleges and universities where students protested this fall about the legacies of racism on campus. The wave of demonstrations led to the resignation of the president of the University of Missouri and promises at Ivy League schools including Yale and Brown University to boost the resources they commit to promoting diversity.

Yale instructor Erika Christakis drew protests after she responded to a university missive urging students to avoid Halloween costumes that could be construed as offensive with an email saying students have a right to be "obnoxious."

New Haven, Connecticut-based Yale said on its website late Monday that Christakis, was "highly valued and she is welcome to resume teaching anytime at Yale, where freedom of expression and academic inquiry are the paramount principle and practice."

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174. "Yale made it sound like she is welcome back at anytime"
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but I wonder how true that is?

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179. "what a shit article"
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The article makes it seem like the faculty basically said they dont care, when in fact she urged the students to deal with it themselves.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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176. "RE: I guess y'all proud of these Yale Protesters too huh?"
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This was a failed moment to try and find some understanding and I wish some mediators from off campus could've stepped in create an actual discussion..

The world has turned on its head in front of these kids eyes.. regardless of privilege they were chilling with their white homies saying nigga listening to Ye just 2 years ago and now ALL that shit has turned on its head...

People dont realize that the 60s protests were built on kids who were actually trained and focused... The new iteration lacks the organization of those but also lacks the impact since everyone "plays by the rules" anyway..

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JCass
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185. "There was an actual discussion. Their demands are phenomenal."
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http://downatyale.com/post.php?id=537

Demands

1) An ethnic studies distributional requirement for all Yale undergraduates and the immediate promotion of the Ethnicity, Race & Migration program to departmental status

a. The promotion of Native American Studies, Chicanx & Latinx Studies, Asian American Studies, and African Studies to program status under the ER&M department.
b. Curricula for classes that satisfy the ethnic studies distributional requirement must be designed by Yale faculty in the aforementioned areas of study

2) Mental health professionals that are permanently established in each of the four cultural centers with discretionary funds

a. More mental health professionals of color in Yale Mental Health.

3) An increase of two million dollars to the current annual operational budget for each cultural center.

a. Five full-time staff members in each of the cultural centers
b. Additional emergency and miscellaneous funds from the provost’s office to support the needs of first-generation, low-income, undocumented, and international students

4) Rename Calhoun College. Name it and the two new residential colleges after people of color.

a. Abolish the title “master”
b. Build a monument designed by a Native artist on Cross Campus acknowledging that Yale University was founded on stolen indigenous land.

5) Immediate removal of Nicholas and Erika Christakis from the positions of Master and Associate Master of Silliman College

a. The development of racial competence and respect training and accountability systems for all Yale affiliates
b. The inclusion of a question about the racial climate of the classrooms of both teaching fellows and professors in semester evaluations.
c. Bias reporting system on racial discrimination and an annual report that will be released to the Yale community.

6) The allocation of resources to support the physical well-being of international, first-generation, low-income, and undocumented students, in these ways, at these times:

a. Stipends for food and access to residential college kitchens during breaks
b. Dental and optometry services implemented as part of the Basic Yale Health plan
c. Eight financial aid consultants who are trained to deal specifically with financial aid application processes of international and undocumented students

  

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180. "Yale teacher resigns "
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8a3715a1cccb49ca9bcfeda364839bee/yale-teacher-resigns-over-offensive-halloween-costume-email

  

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