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"you saw this coming...it's the iPhone OS 4 post!"
Mon Apr-05-10 11:44 AM by jetblack

  

          

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/apple-holding-iphone-os-4-event-april-8th/

Yes folks -- the world is turning upside down. Apple has announced an iPhone OS 4 event on April 8th at 10AM PT for a "sneak peek of the next generation of iPhone OS software." So if you're wondering about the future of the platform... your answers will appear sooner than you think. The team collectively dropped an "OMG" when we saw this news, as it's pretty unusual to see such a big event coming from Apple right on the heels of something like the iPad launch. Of course we'll be there -- at Apple's Infinite Loop campus in Cupertino -- live and direct, providing the liveblogging coverage you know and love.

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remember last time when you predicted iphone nano?
Apr 05th 2010
1
LOL yeah. I was totally wrong.
Apr 05th 2010
2
      List out your predictions for this year, por favor.
Apr 05th 2010
17
           1. Multitasking, up to 4 applications (2 Apple, 2 3rd Party)
Apr 05th 2010
22
                video ichat wont happen til 4g/wimax/lte version
Apr 05th 2010
23
                they'll discuss it without discussing it
Apr 05th 2010
25
                RE: 1. Multitasking, up to 4 applications (2 Apple, 2 3rd Party)
Apr 08th 2010
190
                     I wouldn't call folders a drastic UI change
Apr 08th 2010
231
                     video ichat is coming
Apr 27th 2010
338
I can see it now
Apr 05th 2010
3
^That's what I talking about.
Apr 05th 2010
4
That sounds absolutely magical.
Apr 05th 2010
5
Sure is.
Apr 05th 2010
7
i came.
Apr 05th 2010
6
iSAW
Apr 08th 2010
129
from a business aspect you've GOT to respect it
Apr 05th 2010
9
*Scott Forestall Crazy Eyes*
Apr 05th 2010
26
      I just posted to say I been mesmerized by yo flickr
Apr 06th 2010
29
           co-sign on his flikr being sick
Apr 06th 2010
30
           lol thanks
Apr 06th 2010
38
           thanks
Apr 06th 2010
37
           RE: I just posted to say I been mesmerized by yo flickr
Apr 11th 2010
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The Dutch Rudder?
Apr 05th 2010
11
So if I go I can get a handjob from a REAL stranger, and not just me pre...
Apr 06th 2010
32
When does Apple announce a new iPhone?
Apr 05th 2010
8
Ive got a feeling they are on a two year cycle
Apr 05th 2010
10
they punted last year though
Apr 05th 2010
13
      they *HAVE* to updgrade that screen.
Apr 06th 2010
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seems like every june.
Apr 05th 2010
12
gotta keep the developers salivating
Apr 05th 2010
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      DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!
Apr 05th 2010
15
probably every year
Apr 05th 2010
18
they late as a mug this year.
Apr 05th 2010
16
not really...just by a month from last year
Apr 05th 2010
19
      a month is LATE, J.B.
Apr 06th 2010
49
           either way it's happening on Thursday.
Apr 06th 2010
51
to call it ahead of time... yes u can has multitasking
Apr 05th 2010
20
kthxbai.
Apr 05th 2010
21
lol @ webOS
Apr 05th 2010
24
      nah someone will acquire it and dump the rest
Apr 05th 2010
27
      it's tear jerking - such a beautiful OS with a company full of fail...
Apr 05th 2010
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      lol @ you
Apr 06th 2010
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           yeah, you're probably right
Apr 06th 2010
33
                hahahahaha
Apr 06th 2010
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                The thing is, as it stands on the user side
Apr 06th 2010
35
                Who? Sony?
Apr 06th 2010
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                Anybody
Apr 06th 2010
40
                but does a marginally better user experience sell phones?
Apr 06th 2010
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                     Cellphones are a fickle market
Apr 06th 2010
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                          could you give me a couple of examples of how android's better?
Apr 06th 2010
44
                               How about runnin an app in the background
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    you could always go back.
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    I shouldn't have to though
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    + social networking integration (best on HTC Sense for Android)
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    OK
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    i'd like to have that too
Apr 06th 2010
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                                         hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Apr 08th 2010
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                                              you can't be serious
Apr 08th 2010
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                                                   TOLD YOU BITCH. no multitasking for 3G iphone
Apr 08th 2010
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                                                        who gives a flying fuck?
Apr 08th 2010
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                                                             to a fanboy? everything is explainable.
Apr 08th 2010
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                ....and now we get to the part where
Apr 06th 2010
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                     it has no games (c) rjcc
Apr 06th 2010
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                          I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Apr 06th 2010
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                               oh, sorry
Apr 06th 2010
46
                                    my bad, I was in the way of you making shit up
Apr 06th 2010
47
                                         i feel truly moderated
Apr 06th 2010
55
Sorry but the app store pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone
Apr 06th 2010
54
Then why upgrade the OS at all?
Apr 06th 2010
61
it's not important till steve says it is remember
Apr 06th 2010
62
Please all the iPhone haters were talking about "UI doesn't matter"
Apr 06th 2010
66
      Running Aim and Gchat doesn't bring a blackberry to it's knees
Apr 06th 2010
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      NOPE!! IPHONE MORE POPULAR!!!!
Apr 07th 2010
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      you keep wanting to believe you have a ferarri when it's a scooter
Apr 06th 2010
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      RE: Please all the iPhone haters were talking about "UI doesn't matter"
Apr 06th 2010
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           I know you're smart enough to see the errors in your argument but...
Apr 07th 2010
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                Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourself.
Apr 07th 2010
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                     RE: Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourse...
Apr 07th 2010
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                          I love how you lie about shit like
Apr 07th 2010
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                          last i checked
Apr 07th 2010
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                               1. you're an iphone fanboy and a liar
Apr 07th 2010
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                                    You antagonize everything popular.
Apr 07th 2010
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                                         you're a liar because none of those things are or were true
Apr 07th 2010
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                          RE: Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourse...
Apr 07th 2010
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I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing...
Apr 06th 2010
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      RE: I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing...
Apr 06th 2010
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           3D graphing calculator?
Apr 06th 2010
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           econ grad student
Apr 06th 2010
75
                Ah, cool.
Apr 07th 2010
81
                     what's a fingerprint sphere, btw?
Apr 07th 2010
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                          Ha, it's actually surprisingly technical.
Apr 07th 2010
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                               cool!
Apr 07th 2010
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           RE: I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing...
Apr 10th 2010
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                it's not just about handling it though
Apr 13th 2010
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what if adkit is their big announcement?
Apr 06th 2010
56
bet?
Apr 06th 2010
57
oh I don't think it will be.
Apr 06th 2010
58
      while I cry myself to sleep that night
Apr 07th 2010
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      appreciate it.
Apr 07th 2010
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"So our seventh tent pole is called... iAd"
Apr 08th 2010
140
any chance of Apple adding a real UI?
Apr 06th 2010
64
you know windows phone 7 won't have copy/paste, right?
Apr 06th 2010
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      lol
Apr 06th 2010
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           whatever, chief
Apr 06th 2010
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I love reading the iPhone bashing posts
Apr 07th 2010
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who specifically is bashing the iphone
Apr 07th 2010
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lets start with this
Apr 13th 2010
287
      so, you think that's bashing and not true?
Apr 13th 2010
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           explain how its not bashing
Apr 13th 2010
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                if it's true, it's not bashing
Apr 13th 2010
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                     minimizing a major impact on an industry = bashing
Apr 13th 2010
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                          dude, you're upset because other people aren't as impressed as you
Apr 13th 2010
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                               sounds like you are butthurt
Apr 13th 2010
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                                    lol. ok. turn it around, i'm upset
Apr 13th 2010
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                                         where did i say i have a problem?
Apr 13th 2010
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the iphone is the most influential mobile phone period
Apr 07th 2010
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The only thing that will help the consumer..
Apr 07th 2010
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      it's almost the norm here
Apr 07th 2010
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      doubt it
Apr 07th 2010
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its not really bashing
Apr 07th 2010
94
no more get a mac ads?
Apr 08th 2010
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those ads only worked when niggas didn't have macs
Apr 08th 2010
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it's an ad.
Apr 08th 2010
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IT'S ABOUT TIME.
Apr 08th 2010
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      Jeff Goldbloom is coming back (swipe)
Apr 08th 2010
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           I was finna say; they that desperate?
Apr 08th 2010
107
                Wall-e in commercials?
Apr 08th 2010
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Liveblogs:
Apr 08th 2010
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"MULTI-TASKING"
Apr 08th 2010
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Maybe they kidnapped the Backgrounder devs and threw them
Apr 08th 2010
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Im surprised. I figured if that was the case
Apr 08th 2010
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      t'wasn't ready yet.
Apr 08th 2010
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           It's only two months away
Apr 08th 2010
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edit. nope.
Apr 08th 2010
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Uh oh Applers! It's gonna kill yer batteries and leak yer memory!
Apr 08th 2010
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      here come the 180s.
Apr 08th 2010
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      Or they'll say "Now there's NO reason not to use an iphone."
Apr 08th 2010
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      yup. and if you argue against it they'll bring the "silent majority"
Apr 08th 2010
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      lol.
Apr 08th 2010
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      It may just be me
Apr 08th 2010
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           apparently they're only allowing seven apis to run in the
Apr 08th 2010
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           Yeah, it looks like they're mostly geared for specific uses
Apr 08th 2010
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           OK, fast app switching is #7. I'm good.
Apr 08th 2010
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           Um. What?
Apr 08th 2010
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                My question is, if you can fast switch back to the application
Apr 08th 2010
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                     I think the question/answer was a bit unclear.
Apr 08th 2010
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           The skype stuff is cool tho'
Apr 08th 2010
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cell location only in the background? fail
Apr 08th 2010
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they can use GPS for apps like turn by turn if they wish
Apr 08th 2010
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Folders. bout time.
Apr 08th 2010
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^^
Apr 08th 2010
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CATEGO--er, folders!
Apr 08th 2010
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Folders...
Apr 08th 2010
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uh, yeah. lol
Apr 08th 2010
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Apple is taking such a gigantic L
Apr 08th 2010
134
Enhanced Mail (pause) aka "Unified Inbox"
Apr 08th 2010
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Headline: Apple Give free Pooh. Again.
Apr 08th 2010
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doesn't Disney own almost all the rights to Pooh now?
Apr 08th 2010
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      nope Licensed from A. A. Milne's estate.
Apr 08th 2010
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           Oh. I thought they sold.
Apr 08th 2010
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                *checks wiki*..still licensed
Apr 08th 2010
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Social Gaming Network.
Apr 08th 2010
137
Hmm.. Apple's own Xbox Live? Touche, Jobs. Touche.
Apr 08th 2010
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it's ambitious and could really work for them
Apr 08th 2010
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All I'm seeing is Street Fighter 4 online MP anywhere.
Apr 08th 2010
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I agree. I feel like this is the most important announcement
Apr 08th 2010
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Yeah that was their best idea yet.
Apr 08th 2010
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      you sir use irony like a katana.
Apr 08th 2010
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           I'm serious lol.
Apr 08th 2010
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                Oh wait, I guess they did kinda rip off xbox live.
Apr 08th 2010
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                     Yup. but i'm ok with it this time since MS slept on the mobile
Apr 08th 2010
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                          xbox live anywhere?
Apr 08th 2010
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                               They might pull it off
Apr 09th 2010
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Leaderboards..Acheivements... (rjcc in 3,2...)
Apr 08th 2010
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iAd. Uh oh.
Apr 08th 2010
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good for advertisers. bad for everyone else.
Apr 08th 2010
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Btw, the more I think of it, this IAd is shots at the Google
Apr 08th 2010
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app lockin
Apr 08th 2010
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In theory it's a sound advertising implementation
Apr 08th 2010
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Also cue the Xzibit "Apps inside of apps" gif.
Apr 08th 2010
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thank god that Apple patented this garbage.
Apr 08th 2010
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      ha. nm
Apr 08th 2010
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good for everyone if companies invest heavily in app development
Apr 08th 2010
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I just imagine it now...
Apr 08th 2010
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Baby Gap has better clothes
Apr 08th 2010
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you like them 19 year olds huh
Apr 08th 2010
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      you peeped that too? reg out there jerkin at the new boyz concert
Apr 08th 2010
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this leaves Google/AdMob kinda dead in the water
Apr 08th 2010
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YAY. A POPUP ADVERTISEMENT API!
Apr 08th 2010
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no popovers...
Apr 08th 2010
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i better be able to turn that ish off
Apr 08th 2010
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      yeah gimmie a toggle.
Apr 08th 2010
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      With Apple taking 40% of advertising? Good luck, homies. lol
Apr 08th 2010
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      just don't click on the banner ads and they won't pop up.
Apr 15th 2010
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Damn, sorry L_O_Quent
Apr 08th 2010
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Crap. I just saw this. Sorry homie
Apr 08th 2010
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actually nope, I just a read a shitload about it
Apr 08th 2010
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      That's good to hear.
Apr 08th 2010
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      good to hear man. n/m
Apr 08th 2010
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           thanks but it's still a headache
Apr 09th 2010
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wait, was that a shameless plug for Toy Story 3? smh.
Apr 08th 2010
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yes it was.
Apr 08th 2010
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Arright, somebody pull up photoshop. I'm too lazy.
Apr 08th 2010
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Too easy. lol
Apr 08th 2010
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oh noes LMFAO
Apr 08th 2010
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done.
Apr 08th 2010
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      Perfect. Thanks.
Apr 08th 2010
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iPad OS 4.0 in fall. Awful long wait.
Apr 08th 2010
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Wait... will the update be free?
Apr 08th 2010
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From what I read: 1 free update for iPads
Apr 08th 2010
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      Ah Ok cool... it's a long wait but at least its free
Apr 08th 2010
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           its free cause they knew they were annoucing 4 so closely
Apr 08th 2010
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they said it was a 'preview' and I personally
Apr 08th 2010
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OS 4 is for recent devices only:
Apr 08th 2010
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I love the smell of fragmentation in the morning.
Apr 08th 2010
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you had to know that shit was gonna happen.
Apr 08th 2010
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yeah
Apr 08th 2010
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that effin sucks since i have a 3g
Apr 08th 2010
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      thats pretty much the idea behind it
Apr 08th 2010
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I am absolutely appalled at the lack of a notification update
Apr 08th 2010
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LOL so u still cant multi-task with IM/Facebook/Twitter??
Apr 08th 2010
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Yeah. Because Push notifications works so well.
Apr 08th 2010
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how specifically are you suggesting this should have been
Apr 08th 2010
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      at the very least, it should be as seamless as push email.
Apr 08th 2010
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           menu bar notifications would be nice
Apr 08th 2010
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                correct me if I'm wrong
Apr 08th 2010
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                     RE: correct me if I'm wrong
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ANDROID IS PEDDLING PORN TO OUR CHILDREN!
Apr 08th 2010
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dirrrty
Apr 08th 2010
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Interesting
Apr 08th 2010
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lmao. RDF in full effect!
Apr 08th 2010
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^proving my second point constantly
Apr 08th 2010
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      these features are improvements over the current iPhone OS, no?
Apr 08th 2010
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                that's because the critics are often right.
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what possible reasoning leads you to believe
Apr 08th 2010
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      Why not just get a phone with those features?
Apr 08th 2010
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           I won't. but it's not because of the iPhone itself as much
Apr 08th 2010
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           thanks for showing your roots
Apr 08th 2010
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Apr 08th 2010
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                     lol. you can't say "they did it to appease the haters"
Apr 08th 2010
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                          I'm sorry, the haters and the many people who
Apr 08th 2010
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                               lol. you just don't know shit about what people want
Apr 08th 2010
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                                    So you're gonna buy an iPhone then now that the fixed it?
Apr 09th 2010
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                                         is that what I said or implied in any way?
Apr 09th 2010
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                                              Are you getting an iPhone now?
Apr 09th 2010
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To be honest
Apr 08th 2010
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cosign alladat
Apr 08th 2010
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well, duh. this makes the ipad almost usable
Apr 08th 2010
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      No, I agree
Apr 08th 2010
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Here's my unsubstantiated hate bomb for this thread:
Apr 08th 2010
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Shit, that's not hate. That's probably exactly right.
Apr 08th 2010
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So, I give it a week before Im able to dl it off the torrents?
Apr 08th 2010
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it verifies itself, I dunno if that can be gotten around
Apr 08th 2010
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oh. so, what's the deal with these 1,500 new API's for developers?
Apr 08th 2010
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here.
Apr 08th 2010
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What does multitasking look like?
Apr 08th 2010
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so it knows when to quit background apps?
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for what it's worth, that's how Android works.
Apr 08th 2010
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      can you force quit things?
Apr 08th 2010
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           Yes, according to this Endgaget video:
Apr 08th 2010
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           yeah there's an option to do it.
Apr 08th 2010
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the video is up on apple.com and itunes.
Apr 08th 2010
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...and now they've banned a bunch of 3rd part dev tools.
Apr 08th 2010
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yeah THAT'S fucked up.
Apr 08th 2010
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wooooooooow
Apr 08th 2010
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NGCCOTPBJ.
Apr 08th 2010
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makes perfect sense from a business perspective
Apr 09th 2010
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Huh?
Apr 09th 2010
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      adobe are creating a feature to build multi-platform apps
Apr 09th 2010
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           Nah, its retarded
Apr 09th 2010
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                RE: Nah, its retarded
Apr 09th 2010
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                     They don't hold all the cards though
Apr 09th 2010
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                          basically apple is saying they think they can't be fucked with
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                          it would hurt Adobe more than Apple, so they wont do it
Apr 09th 2010
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                               Disagree on that Apple vs Adobe scenario
Apr 09th 2010
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Ice cold. The line in the grove have been drawn.
Apr 09th 2010
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iphone is not the most popular platform ever.
Apr 09th 2010
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      you left out the adjective, 'mobile'.
Apr 09th 2010
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           still, I think you're wrong. go ahead and post up some stats.
Apr 09th 2010
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           im pretty sure its symbian. and by a longshot
Apr 11th 2010
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Apple's going to end up losing this mobile device war
Apr 09th 2010
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this.
Apr 09th 2010
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      Mark my words; by 2020, Android will be ubiquitous
Apr 09th 2010
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           By 2020? Shit
Apr 09th 2010
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           Android will eclipse iPhone OS by 2015 easily
Apr 09th 2010
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           nobody's making money on the android store
Apr 09th 2010
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                well, can't someone sue or something?
Apr 10th 2010
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                     they're gonna try (swipe)
Apr 13th 2010
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related to multitasking (swipe)
Apr 09th 2010
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bullshit.
Apr 09th 2010
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RE: bullshit.
Apr 09th 2010
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      when I say legacy I mean compatible witht he OG iphones
Apr 10th 2010
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some dev will probably test this MythBuster's style
Apr 09th 2010
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background info on the Adobe/Apple relationship
Apr 11th 2010
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many, if not most, Adobe employees use Macs
Apr 11th 2010
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      but that's neither here nor there
Apr 11th 2010
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daniel eran dilger brings the heat (swipe)
Apr 11th 2010
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      do you know what a strawman is?
Apr 13th 2010
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      people in this post are trying to make these points
Apr 13th 2010
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      well if someone on the internet said something vaguely like it
Apr 13th 2010
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           ahem... 'Proponents of Adobe Flash insist that...'
Apr 13th 2010
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                who is a "proponent of flash" find this person.
Apr 13th 2010
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                     you're reading way into the article
Apr 13th 2010
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                          also defined as "reading it at all"
Apr 13th 2010
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      Like Zozobra
Apr 13th 2010
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      and lo, daniel eran dilger wrote a new article, and it was good (swipe)
Apr 14th 2010
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           it's good for everyone when apple's a dick
Apr 14th 2010
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           This is hysterical.
Apr 14th 2010
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                weren'tTunes and Final Cut Pro Carbon until '08/'09?
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                     they both still are.
Apr 14th 2010
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Opera Mini is live.
Apr 13th 2010
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So yeah...allegedly Adobe's gonna sue (swipe)
Apr 13th 2010
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"this gon be gooooooooooooood" (c) old lady from Princess & The Frog
Apr 13th 2010
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Mama Odie.
Apr 13th 2010
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this should read
Apr 13th 2010
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doesn't matter. Every major smartphone company
Apr 13th 2010
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      iphone still dominates mobile web traffic
Apr 13th 2010
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           that traffic includes iPod touch too.
Apr 13th 2010
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are they fuck.
Apr 14th 2010
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Having done a side by side comparison ....
Apr 14th 2010
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thanks for telling us why
Apr 14th 2010
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Apr 15th 2010
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one of the commenters read it as prohibitng the acquestion
Apr 15th 2010
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just realized Apple's long-term game plan here
Apr 27th 2010
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...
Apr 27th 2010
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writing good apps in Flash and Java IS the problem
Apr 27th 2010
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you can't stop crapware really.
Apr 27th 2010
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it's not so much the crap, its more the flood/noise
Apr 27th 2010
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      unannounced?
Apr 27th 2010
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           i'm talking about the cross-compiler
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                http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/01/building_ipad_apps.html
Apr 27th 2010
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                     Yes but when did they announce the Android 'Packager'? n/m
Apr 27th 2010
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                          have they ever announced it?
Apr 27th 2010
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                               AIR is not as good as what an Android packager would be
Apr 27th 2010
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you're not just dumb, you're delirious
Apr 27th 2010
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      team Apple needs to change its tune as other app stores catch up in size
Apr 27th 2010
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           the quality is getting better.
Apr 27th 2010
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           I'm salty about Android apps not working on all* Android phones tho
Apr 27th 2010
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                iTunes is the same way. So is Amazon.
Apr 27th 2010
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Nopayne
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1. "remember last time when you predicted iphone nano? "
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And a phone based on intel's atom platform?

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jetblack
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2. "LOL yeah. I was totally wrong."
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This is just a preview of what will be released @ WWDC 2010.
I got a New Horizons class on that day so best believe I'll have a tab or two open for the live bloggery.

Bring your BEST hate.

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Nopayne
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17. "List out your predictions for this year, por favor."
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jetblack
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22. "1. Multitasking, up to 4 applications (2 Apple, 2 3rd Party)"
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2. Wireless sync (wifi/bt) with Mac or PC.
3. Wireless file sharing w/o the use of 3rd party apps.
4. Speech to Text across all apps.
5. Video iChat
6. a drastic left field UI change that will piss a lot of people off.
7. New gestures, 3 finger 'grab' gestures, 'shape' gestures.
8. Printing over wifi and Bluetooth
9. 3D, since everything is or is going to be 3D.
10. Power over wifi on some Nikola Tesla ish. iTunes ad sparked this...

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23. "video ichat wont happen til 4g/wimax/lte version"
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..|.,

If you still don't know what Jade Typhoon is, click here:
http://jadetyphoon.blogspot.com/ (WS)

  

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25. "they'll discuss it without discussing it"
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jetblack
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190. "RE: 1. Multitasking, up to 4 applications (2 Apple, 2 3rd Party)"
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Right

>2. Wireless sync (wifi/bt) with Mac or PC.

Wrong

>3. Wireless file sharing w/o the use of 3rd party apps.

Wrong.

>4. Speech to Text across all apps.

Wrong.

>5. Video iChat

very wrong.

>6. a drastic left field UI change that will piss a lot of
>people off.

Right. Folders.

>7. New gestures, 3 finger 'grab' gestures, 'shape' gestures.

Wrong.

>8. Printing over wifi and Bluetooth

Wrong.

>9. 3D, since everything is or is going to be 3D.

Wrong. Thank the lawd.

>10. Power over wifi on some Nikola Tesla ish. iTunes ad
>sparked this...

Very wrong.
>


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231. "I wouldn't call folders a drastic UI change"
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or left field.

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338. "video ichat is coming"
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obviously.

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3. "I can see it now"
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Someone from apple gets on the stage looking really smug sprouting off statistics on iphone sales and now ipad sales.

He probably says something like 'The consumers have chosen, and they have chosen Apple.'

The crowd cheers, and the Ifans start masturbating each other in the crowd.

Then he says something like 'But we aren't resting on our laurels. Oh no. We have new things to show you.'

Then they show you features that Android, PalmOs and maybe even the Blackberry already had. But it's said in a way to illicit some ooh's and ahh's from the crowd to make it look like they are doing something big.

Then they hit you with the 'It's the most complex portable operating system in not only the galaxy, but in our entire dimension.'

Then they give more meaningless stats and claims, before we realize, once again:

STILL NO MULTITASKING!
STILL NO FLASH!
STILL VAGUE RESTRICTIONS ON THE ITUNES STORE KEEPING THE MONOPOLY IN CHECK.

  

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4. "^That's what I talking about."
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grade A.

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5. "That sounds absolutely magical."
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7. "Sure is. "
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I'm replying from unicorn tears.

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6. "i came."
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________
"2ndly u think FAMILY and niggas i done grew up wit for 20+ years
gon let some random nigga
show up and whup my ass on my block
and hop in his corolla and pull off?" spm

  

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129. "iSAW"
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________________________________
Knicks-Ewing/Jackson, Eagles-Cunningham & Mets-Strawberry/Gooden

http://soundcloud.com/relativeviscosity
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9. "from a business aspect you've GOT to respect it"
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there is no one in their class whatsoever when it comes to knowing how to build up hype before and after an announcement. At this point they have already had announcements that they're going to have an announcement and it's made front page news, that's some ill shit.

The offspring :-D

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26. "*Scott Forestall Crazy Eyes*"
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29. "I just posted to say I been mesmerized by yo flickr"
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maaaaan......listen....

I hope you already got a down payment on your shotgun.

Beautiful family, family.

D

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

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30. "co-sign on his flikr being sick"
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The offspring :-D

PSN & XBL: LOQuent

  

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38. "lol thanks"
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37. "thanks"
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yeah she's a handful and the pictures don't do her justice.
My baby is the most beautiful child on Earth...lol
All parents say that huh...but in her case it's TRUE! LOL

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282. "RE: I just posted to say I been mesmerized by yo flickr"
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ditto

- - - Begin Sig. - - -

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is that little voice at the end of the day that says, 'I'll try again tomorrow.'" ~ ~ Anne Radmacher

  

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11. "The Dutch Rudder?"
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>The crowd cheers, and the Ifans start masturbating each other
>in the crowd.

____________
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SC: rulerofmyself17

Yes! She's on the drugs. (c) BoHagon

  

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32. "So if I go I can get a handjob from a REAL stranger, and not just me pre..."
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I LOVE APPLE!!!

"I don't have to squeeze just to appease your dream." Lady Miss Kier

  

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8. "When does Apple announce a new iPhone?"
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With HTC coming out with, spec wise, a major phone this year (EVO 4G), I can't imagine Apple doesn't drop a major upgrade to the iPhone to compete. At least an answer to some of the items the Android software has brought to the table.

@dseals | @digife
https://digife.com

  

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10. "Ive got a feeling they are on a two year cycle"
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as far as processor/memory upgrades are concerned. I figure them doing something minor like improving the camera making the form factor a bit slimmer, etc/;they've got such a comfortable lead and the tech isn't that far behind that they can just sit pretty until next June and release a major hardware revision.

  

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13. "they punted last year though"
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the 3GS wasn't much of an improvement over the 3G and it's already showing its age.

They're gonna have to fragment their platform (even more) and come up with some new shit that older phones can't support if they want to stay competitive.

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65. "they *HAVE* to updgrade that screen."
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3GS just looks so small and shitty next to the new HTC phones coming out...and next to the iPad, ironically enough.

  

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12. "seems like every june."
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14. "gotta keep the developers salivating"
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but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
Binlahab is a bitch.
I wouldn't trust okp, some of them don't even get any anymore since the Re's stopped - Anonymous OKP

  

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15. "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!"
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
COME ON!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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18. "probably every year"
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I'm interested in seeing what they do

  

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16. "they late as a mug this year."
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Thought we'd have to wait till June...

  

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19. "not really...just by a month from last year"
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developers get the new SDK, then in June new apps get shown off.

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49. "a month is LATE, J.B."
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ell
ay
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51. "either way it's happening on Thursday."
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20. "to call it ahead of time... yes u can has multitasking"
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...but no you can't has the cool visuals of WebOS or Android - sawwie :p

  

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21. "kthxbai."
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24. "lol @ webOS"
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that platform is toast

  

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27. "nah someone will acquire it and dump the rest"
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28. "it's tear jerking - such a beautiful OS with a company full of fail..."
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31. "lol @ you"
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preferring something that doesn't work as well

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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33. "yeah, you're probably right"
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the mass exodus of iphone and ipod touch owners over to the palm camp is probably going to start any day now. they just needed that year to let the awesomeness of the pre really sink in.

it syncs with itunes now, right?

  

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34. "hahahahaha"
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The offspring :-D

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35. "The thing is, as it stands on the user side"
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It's a better mobile phone platform then the iphone OS.

Sure the hardware sucked and the company is going down in flames, but don't think there isn't a player waiting for the company to implode by the end of the year to pick it up on the cheap.

  

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36. "Who? Sony?"
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>don't think there isn't a player waiting for the
>company to implode by the end of the year to pick it up on the
>cheap.

  

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40. "Anybody"
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It's not as if they buy webOs they gotta use WebOs as is. Figure Rim to help with their archaic OS, or a major manufacturer (HTC, etc) could pick it up on the cheap just to throw it on some phones as an experiment rather then just riding the Android train across all their phones.

  

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39. "but does a marginally better user experience sell phones?"
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like, let's say the pre is easier to set up - it's not like the iphone is a real brain-buster, and it's not like the pre is head and shoulders above the iphone in any other department (aside from possibly the ability to multitask, which is going to be solved in the next month or two). there aren't any compelling reasons for someone to drop an iphone and hop into the pre camp.

on the other hand, there are millions of apps available on the app store that aren't on web os, and all of those are reasons to consider the iphone over the pre. on top of that, all those current iphone and ipod touch owners that have invested cash into their apps can't take them with them if they jump ship.

  

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43. "Cellphones are a fickle market"
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in the US your pushed to get a new phone every 2 years, the tech is constantly getting better, and even though we love talking about apps it's not as if the average user can't live without his T-Pain app if he can trade up to a doper phone. Id argue Blackberry has a stronger tie since blackberry messenger tends to replace texting amoung that set.

The Pre is a done deal, but WebOs, Android and looks like Microsoft will all have superior OS's then what Apple has.

Don't think Apple's lead can change when someones got an older iphone and suddenly AT&T sends them a flyer to upgrade to something newer for only 50 bucks.



>like, let's say the pre is easier to set up - it's not like
>the iphone is a real brain-buster, and it's not like the pre
>is head and shoulders above the iphone in any other department
>(aside from possibly the ability to multitask, which is going
>to be solved in the next month or two). there aren't any
>compelling reasons for someone to drop an iphone and hop into
>the pre camp.
>
>on the other hand, there are millions of apps available on the
>app store that aren't on web os, and all of those are reasons
>to consider the iphone over the pre. on top of that, all those
>current iphone and ipod touch owners that have invested cash
>into their apps can't take them with them if they jump ship.

  

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44. "could you give me a couple of examples of how android's better?"
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from your perspective, what does the android platform have that the iphone doesn't?

  

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48. "How about runnin an app in the background"
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Something even a dumb ass blackberry can do. I could instantaneously bb messenger, aim and gchat without having to deal with iffy push notification. Hell, even the way it groups all messages seamlessly, blurring the line between email/chats/text messages makes communication that much easier.

You guys are acting like the iphone OS is this miracle product, It was revolutionary four years ago, now it's not. Outside of a GREAT media player system and an eye on design there is nothing it brings to the table that you can't find in Android or WebOS.

I have an iphone and I love it, but I also notice I had to lose alot in the switch from my blackberry which irks me a year later.

  

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50. "you could always go back."
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if a BB does what you need get a BB.

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53. "I shouldn't have to though"
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RIM infrastructure stuff aside, there is no reason why my Iphone can't do some of those things, it's just poor engineering on Apple's part.

  

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52. "+ social networking integration (best on HTC Sense for Android)"
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+ customizable home screens

+ speech to text / search

+ car/navigation mode

  

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60. "OK"
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>+ social networking integration (best on HTC Sense for Android)

not really sure what you mean by this

>+ customizable home screens

OK

>+ speech to text / search

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsge4iM-FTE

>+ car/navigation mode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YskygegTjAU

  

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59. "i'd like to have that too"
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but it's not like apple couldn't do it or forgot to include it. cocoa touch is a real multitasking os, they just prevented third party apps from doing it and everybody knows the reasons why.

the major thing keeping me from buying an android phone is the lack of software on par with the iphone stuff, and i seriously doubt that's going to change. plus, when a new os version comes out you have to wait for your phone's manufacturer to roll it out, if they even bother. with apple you always have the newest shit.

  

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101. "hahahahahahahahahahahaha"
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unless you have an og iphone of course.

in which case you get fucked and don't get simple shit like mms.

platform fragmentation is always a problem, and it's going to get worse this year for iphone owners.

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106. "you can't be serious"
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162. "TOLD YOU BITCH. no multitasking for 3G iphone"
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241. "who gives a flying fuck?"
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absolutely no one

it's a hardware limitation, you fucking retard, and it doesn't fragment the market in any meaningful way.

the og iphone is 3 years old, and guess what? 96% of iphone users surveyed said that they are planning to buy another one.

this is nothing compared to the fiasco when android rolled out 2.0, when NEW PHONES were being released without the new OS.

fucking nincompoop.

  

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244. "to a fanboy? everything is explainable."
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41. "....and now we get to the part where"
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I prefer using what's better vs. what someone else is using

you're right.

using something that's better, is a bad idea. I can totally see that now.

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42. "it has no games (c) rjcc"
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45. "I'm not sure what you're talking about."
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46. "oh, sorry"
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i'm saying your phone sucks

  

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47. "my bad, I was in the way of you making shit up"
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because you don't have anything relevant or intelligent to contribute

please, proceed.

or don't.

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55. "i feel truly moderated"
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thanks for the help!

  

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54. "Sorry but the app store pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone"
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No one likes to admit it, and yes their approval policies can be annoying.

But there's really no arguing that the quality and quantity of apps on the iPhone completely sons every other platform.

Next Post: Actual people don't really care about multitasking.

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61. "Then why upgrade the OS at all?"
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Leave iphone OS where it is and you don't even have to worry about backwards compatibility.

They'll implement multitasking eventually, and when they do, they'll have to admit that it's important.

  

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62. "it's not important till steve says it is remember"
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the weird thing about the ifanboys is that no one is saying the iphones app store isn't a strength.

just that for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD

a million shitty apps isn't the be all end all

there is more to life

also, people don't give a shit about multitasking, if they fixed it for pandora and a few im and twitter apps, everyone would forget all about it

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66. "Please all the iPhone haters were talking about "UI doesn't matter""
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When the iPhone dropped. Then every other phone manufacturer copied the living shit out of the iPhone. Now the SAME folks are talking bout webOS better because of it's interface. #cmonson

Multitasking has pretty much been proven by the market to not be a do-or-die feature. Last I checked the iPhone is the best-selling phone of all time.

It's nice but come on.

Not to mention that many many multitasking implementations do little more than drain the shit out of your battery, eat up your available memory, and crash the shit out of your phone.

Ol "better fuel mileage than a Ferrari" ass niggas.

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69. "Running Aim and Gchat doesn't bring a blackberry to it's knees"
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Why can't the iphone do it.

On top of that, the whole 'the market speaks' is a moot point because the market has spoken for many inferior products. And also, blackberry currently rules the roost of the smartphone market, with a machine that's basically a overclocked lcd watch, lol. So I guess the market does want to be able to multitas

  

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89. "NOPE!! IPHONE MORE POPULAR!!!!"
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cuz you can add up all the different iphone model sales, but not all the different blackberry model sales

because...... (insert answer only iphone fanboys believe)

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72. "you keep wanting to believe you have a ferarri when it's a scooter"
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that's cool tho, lots of people have scooters.

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73. "RE: Please all the iPhone haters were talking about "UI doesn't matter""
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>When the iPhone dropped. Then every other phone manufacturer
>copied the living shit out of the iPhone. Now the SAME folks
>are talking bout webOS better because of it's interface.
>#cmonson

Actually, the interface is the thing I dislike most about webOS. Feels too much like something Apple would come up with.

But really, apart from the "innovations" of removing keys and limiting customization, what were the fundamental innovations that Apple provided that everybody else supposedly copied? Pinch to zoom? Maybe, but that's one of the many things that follow directly from making navigation entirely dependent on the touchscreen.

>Multitasking has pretty much been proven by the market to not
>be a do-or-die feature. Last I checked the iPhone is the
>best-selling phone of all time.

By the same logic, Windows is the best operating system on the market.

>It's nice but come on.

I'm not saying it's the be-all-end-all. Honestly I don't use it all that frequently. But the fact that it's the #1 rumor floating around implies at least two things. First, a lot of people would like it. Second, Apple will probably allow it eventually. And knowing their history, when they do implement it they will try to pretend it's a revolution in handheld computing. It's like video on the ipod, gapless playback, drm-free audio, cut & paste, background notifications. They claim these things aren't important, and then they announce them to great acclaim.

>Not to mention that many many multitasking implementations do
>little more than drain the shit out of your battery, eat up
>your available memory, and crash the shit out of your phone.
>
>Ol "better fuel mileage than a Ferrari" ass niggas.

That was the original Apple fud, but it hasn't come to pass. I'm sure there are some apps that would drain battery substantially if left on in the background (I haven't come across any), but it should be the user's responsibility to pay attention to those things. Many Pre users, for example, leave a few background apps open at all times, and real world battery life remains comparable. Much like on an iphone, the battery survives for about a day under moderate to heavy use. Unlike on an iphone, when the battery runs out, you can swap in a spare.

  

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78. "I know you're smart enough to see the errors in your argument but..."
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>>When the iPhone dropped. Then every other phone
>manufacturer
>>copied the living shit out of the iPhone. Now the SAME folks
>>are talking bout webOS better because of it's interface.
>>#cmonson
>
>Actually, the interface is the thing I dislike most about
>webOS. Feels too much like something Apple would come up
>with.

So you don't dislike the generally shitty hardware? Screen? Processor?

>But really, apart from the "innovations" of removing keys and
>limiting customization, what were the fundamental innovations
>that Apple provided that everybody else supposedly copied?
>Pinch to zoom? Maybe, but that's one of the many things that
>follow directly from making navigation entirely dependent on
>the touchscreen.
>
>>Multitasking has pretty much been proven by the market to
>not
>>be a do-or-die feature. Last I checked the iPhone is the
>>best-selling phone of all time.
>
>By the same logic, Windows is the best operating system on the
>market.

Uh no that's not the same logic at all. BY THE SAME LOGIC, some feature that OSX has and windows doesn't is not compelling enough to users, as a whole, to choose OSX over Windows.

The only thing I was saying is that people vote with their money. Both of my 50+ parents own and LOVE their iPhones. Picture them whining about multitasking. That's what I'm saying.

>>It's nice but come on.
>
>I'm not saying it's the be-all-end-all. Honestly I don't use
>it all that frequently. But the fact that it's the #1 rumor
>floating around implies at least two things. First, a lot of
>people would like it. Second, Apple will probably allow it
>eventually. And knowing their history, when they do implement
>it they will try to pretend it's a revolution in handheld
>computing. It's like video on the ipod, gapless playback,
>drm-free audio, cut & paste, background notifications. They
>claim these things aren't important, and then they announce
>them to great acclaim.

I really want video of Apple claiming any of those things, in particular, were "revolutionary". It IS a really nice video implementation, but they certainly didn't claim to be the first to have video on a phone.

Most of their "best/first in class" claims came at launch of the first iPhone. And if you amended statements like "best screen ever" to "best screen ever on any phone that any American without a favorite Japanese/South Korean importer would ever even consider actually buying" they were mostly true.

>>Not to mention that many many multitasking implementations
>do
>>little more than drain the shit out of your battery, eat up
>>your available memory, and crash the shit out of your phone.
>>
>>Ol "better fuel mileage than a Ferrari" ass niggas.
>
>That was the original Apple fud, but it hasn't come to pass.
>I'm sure there are some apps that would drain battery
>substantially if left on in the background (I haven't come
>across any), but it should be the user's responsibility to pay
>attention to those things. Many Pre users, for example, leave
>a few background apps open at all times, and real world
>battery life remains comparable. Much like on an iphone, the
>battery survives for about a day under moderate to heavy use.
>Unlike on an iphone, when the battery runs out, you can swap
>in a spare.
>

Yes, non-user-replaceable batteries suck. THAT's a good argument. And if it matters to you, great, buy something else. Of course it's extremely rare that I'm ever away from an iPhone/iPod charger for more than the life of the battery (like everybody else in the developed world) so it's not much of an issue for me.

Also that whole "user's responsibility" argument is old as dirt. It's how Unix dorks tried to claim superiority over windows. Guess what? I don't want to constantly micromanage my running apps to save battery life. Nor do I want to browse the source of every app I download to make sure some lazy developer didn't write in a memory leak or use twice as much power as necessary. I turn off the phone, the app dies. That's smarter.

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80. "Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourself."
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>>>When the iPhone dropped. Then every other phone
>>manufacturer
>>>copied the living shit out of the iPhone. Now the SAME
>folks
>>>are talking bout webOS better because of it's interface.
>>>#cmonson
>>
>>Actually, the interface is the thing I dislike most about
>>webOS. Feels too much like something Apple would come up
>>with.
>
>So you don't dislike the generally shitty hardware?

Actually, no, because the hardware is perfectly fine. "Shitty" is definitely a ridiculous bit of hyperbole. I'd rather have an actual keyboard, even if accompanied with the occasional slider problems (of which I've had none), than just not have the keyboard at all.

>Screen?

Considering that the pixel count is the same on the Pre as on the iphone, that's another no.

>Processor?

The processor, again, is fine. The Pre is generally faster than the 3G, and on many benchmarks, is competitive with the 3GS.

>>But really, apart from the "innovations" of removing keys
>and
>>limiting customization, what were the fundamental
>innovations
>>that Apple provided that everybody else supposedly copied?
>>Pinch to zoom? Maybe, but that's one of the many things
>that
>>follow directly from making navigation entirely dependent on
>>the touchscreen.
>>
>>>Multitasking has pretty much been proven by the market to
>>not
>>>be a do-or-die feature. Last I checked the iPhone is the
>>>best-selling phone of all time.
>>
>>By the same logic, Windows is the best operating system on
>the
>>market.
>
>Uh no that's not the same logic at all. BY THE SAME LOGIC,
>some feature that OSX has and windows doesn't is not
>compelling enough to users, as a whole, to choose OSX over
>Windows.
>
>The only thing I was saying is that people vote with their
>money.

Well, the specific thing you said was "Sorry but the app store pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone." Probably, for some people. Not for all people.

Then you said "actual people" don't care about multitasking, then failed to explain why everyone seems to be talking about whether they're about to do it.

>Both of my 50+ parents own and LOVE their iPhones.
>Picture them whining about multitasking. That's what I'm
>saying.

And my 50+ parents love their six year old e-machines piece of shit desktop computer. That doesn't mean it "pretty much makes it the best computer."

>>>It's nice but come on.
>>
>>I'm not saying it's the be-all-end-all. Honestly I don't
>use
>>it all that frequently. But the fact that it's the #1 rumor
>>floating around implies at least two things. First, a lot
>of
>>people would like it. Second, Apple will probably allow it
>>eventually. And knowing their history, when they do
>implement
>>it they will try to pretend it's a revolution in handheld
>>computing. It's like video on the ipod, gapless playback,
>>drm-free audio, cut & paste, background notifications. They
>>claim these things aren't important, and then they announce
>>them to great acclaim.
>
>I really want video of Apple claiming any of those things, in
>particular, were "revolutionary". It IS a really nice video
>implementation, but they certainly didn't claim to be the
>first to have video on a phone.

The important point is that until they do these things, they either claim they don't matter, or that they don't fit into their revolutionary new user experience. Multitasking, gapless, DRM, MMS, "didn't matter" until they did them. All this time they said these things didn't matter, they were working on them.

Cut and paste was a little more entertaining, because they didn't just say it didn't matter. They tried to pretend there was a fundamental difficulty in the very idea of selecting text within their revolutionary, simple, intuitive user experience. Then when they finally unveiled it, the implementation was essentially what anyone would have expected on day one.

It took a very long time for the Pre to get cut and paste. Seven or eight months as I remember. They didn't say it didn't matter. They didn't say they were wrestling with fundamental issues of human interaction. They said they were working on it.

I think I'm mostly just annoyed at Apple's hubris. The way they claim to be the arbiters of what matters, or of how people interact with their technology, when in fact they respond to the marketplace all the time, including their competitors.

The iPad, for example, is a netbook. They can pretend all they want, but it's a tablet-format netbook. Tablets have existed for a long time, and dumbed-down laptops (netbooks) have existed for a long time. There is nothing revolutionary about the iPad except marketing.

>Most of their "best/first in class" claims came at launch of
>the first iPhone. And if you amended statements like "best
>screen ever" to "best screen ever on any phone that any
>American without a favorite Japanese/South Korean importer
>would ever even consider actually buying" they were mostly
>true.
>
>>>Not to mention that many many multitasking implementations
>>do
>>>little more than drain the shit out of your battery, eat up
>>>your available memory, and crash the shit out of your
>phone.
>>>
>>>Ol "better fuel mileage than a Ferrari" ass niggas.
>>
>>That was the original Apple fud, but it hasn't come to pass.
>
>>I'm sure there are some apps that would drain battery
>>substantially if left on in the background (I haven't come
>>across any), but it should be the user's responsibility to
>pay
>>attention to those things. Many Pre users, for example,
>leave
>>a few background apps open at all times, and real world
>>battery life remains comparable. Much like on an iphone,
>the
>>battery survives for about a day under moderate to heavy use.
>
>>Unlike on an iphone, when the battery runs out, you can swap
>>in a spare.
>>
>
>Yes, non-user-replaceable batteries suck. THAT's a good
>argument. And if it matters to you, great, buy something else.

Actually, it doesn't matter to me, because I've never needed to swap the battery before, because *the battery life is perfectly fine*. So this claim that third-party background apps are an open door to battery drains, or memory leaks, has no basis in reality. Even sideloaded apps have never been a problem for me or anyone I've heard from.

>Of course it's extremely rare that I'm ever away from an
>iPhone/iPod charger for more than the life of the battery
>(like everybody else in the developed world) so it's not much
>of an issue for me.
>
>Also that whole "user's responsibility" argument is old as
>dirt. It's how Unix dorks tried to claim superiority over
>windows. Guess what? I don't want to constantly micromanage my
>running apps to save battery life.

Who's micromanaging? As I said before, I have never noticed any app, official or unofficial, to drain my battery significantly in the background (apart from obvious ones that play audio, or frequently update gps location, or something like that). This is not an issue. It's an excuse, and it should not be taken seriously.

>Nor do I want to browse the
>source of every app I download to make sure some lazy
>developer didn't write in a memory leak or use twice as much
>power as necessary.

And again, nobody does that, because nobody needs to do that. You're strawmanning. I don't run a task manager, I basically only reboot for firmware updates, and my memory usage is fine. On the rare occasions when an app does develop a serious memory leak (as used to happen occasionally in the browser, a few firmwares ago), it's obvious what it is and the memory is easily freed when the app is closed. Worst case scenario (which I've never experienced), I'd close all apps, which is effectively what one would do on an iphone.

  

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84. "RE: Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourse..."
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>Actually, no, because the hardware is perfectly fine.
>"Shitty" is definitely a ridiculous bit of hyperbole. I'd
>rather have an actual keyboard, even if accompanied with the
>occasional slider problems (of which I've had none), than just
>not have the keyboard at all.

Good. If you gotta have a keyboard stick with the Pre. Tens of millions of people way dumber than you have figured out how to use a screen just fine but you can't get by. Great. Palm is for you.

>>Screen?
>
>Considering that the pixel count is the same on the Pre as on
>the iphone, that's another no.

Yeah LOL at pixel count being the only thing that matters on a screen. I presume you only look at the megapixel spec when buying cameras too.

>>Processor?
>
>The processor, again, is fine. The Pre is generally faster
>than the 3G, and on many benchmarks, is competitive with the
>3GS.

Latest iPhone vs. latest Palm. Seems fair to me. And benchmarks aside, even against the 3G the Pre was very choppy in basic usage like swiping through photos or scrolling a long web page. I've actually done this side by side. You should too.


>Well, the specific thing you said was "Sorry but the app store
>pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone." Probably,
>for some people. Not for all people.

Obviously I didn't claim that all people prefer the iPhone. This argument defeats that argument.

>Then you said "actual people" don't care about multitasking,
>then failed to explain why everyone seems to be talking about
>whether they're about to do it.
>
>And my 50+ parents love their six year old e-machines piece of
>shit desktop computer. That doesn't mean it "pretty much
>makes it the best computer."

LOL @ everyone on Engadget and OKP High Tech being "everyone". I guess you forgot that girls and old people buy phones too.

Besides that, the ONLY claim I made about multitasking is that it is clearly not a do-or-die feature based on market results. That point is irrefutable. The iPhone does not have multitasking (yet), and is already the best-selling phone of all time. That makes multitasking a nice-to-have in the minds of many.

If you want to base your assessment of aggregate public interest on Forum 11 on OKP rather than the entire American free market system, knock yourself out.

Also, the app store is a major differentiator between the iPhone and other smart phones. The last important one left, I'd say. That's why it's reasonable to cite it as a reason for the iPhones continued success. YOUR argument for why the iPhone is so successful is magical Apple FUD and trickery powerful enough to brainwash an entire nation and generate billions in revenue, yet impossible to duplicate by any other company on earth.

Steve Jobs isn't a Jedi. He makes great products and takes big risks.

>The important point is that until they do these things, they
>either claim they don't matter, or that they don't fit into
>their revolutionary new user experience. Multitasking,
>gapless, DRM, MMS, "didn't matter" until they did them. All
>this time they said these things didn't matter, they were
>working on them.

>Cut and paste was a little more entertaining, because they
>didn't just say it didn't matter. They tried to pretend there
>was a fundamental difficulty in the very idea of selecting
>text within their revolutionary, simple, intuitive user
>experience. Then when they finally unveiled it, the
>implementation was essentially what anyone would have expected
>on day one.
>
>It took a very long time for the Pre to get cut and paste.
>Seven or eight months as I remember. They didn't say it
>didn't matter. They didn't say they were wrestling with
>fundamental issues of human interaction. They said they were
>working on it.
>
>I think I'm mostly just annoyed at Apple's hubris. The way
>they claim to be the arbiters of what matters, or of how
>people interact with their technology, when in fact they
>respond to the marketplace all the time, including their
>competitors.
>
>The iPad, for example, is a netbook. They can pretend all
>they want, but it's a tablet-format netbook. Tablets have
>existed for a long time, and dumbed-down laptops (netbooks)
>have existed for a long time. There is nothing revolutionary
>about the iPad except marketing.


Fucking every tech company ever does that shit. So what? Nintendo thinks graphics don't matter. M$ thinks higher storage capacity doesn't matter. Sony thinks actual sales numbers don't matter. Every company trying to sell you something does this shit. Palm blatantly ripped off Apple's product, which you think was so non-revolutionary, then rushed a product to market, and were plagued with hardware & software issues for months after release, and you want to praise them for it.

Also if cut and paste has such an obvious implementation, why didn't Palm launch with it either? Why is WinMo7 hinting at launching without it? I'm not a mobile developer, but maybe there's a bit more to it than you think?

>Actually, it doesn't matter to me, because I've never needed
>to swap the battery before, because *the battery life is
>perfectly fine*. So this claim that third-party background
>apps are an open door to battery drains, or memory leaks, has
>no basis in reality. Even sideloaded apps have never been a
>problem for me or anyone I've heard from.

You refute this all by yourself by mentioning audio apps / GPS apps.

>Who's micromanaging? As I said before, I have never noticed
>any app, official or unofficial, to drain my battery
>significantly in the background (apart from obvious ones that
>play audio, or frequently update gps location, or something
>like that). This is not an issue. It's an excuse, and it
>should not be taken seriously.

It's not an issue for you maybe, but most users would run foursquare or an IM client in the background all the time without really understanding the implications for power consumption. Now you can argue that YOU get it so a Pre is better for YOU, but you can't really say that Apple is nuts for maybe holding off on multitasking until they solve that problem.

>And again, nobody does that, because nobody needs to do that.
>You're strawmanning. I don't run a task manager, I basically
>only reboot for firmware updates, and my memory usage is fine.
> On the rare occasions when an app does develop a serious
>memory leak (as used to happen occasionally in the browser, a
>few firmwares ago), it's obvious what it is and the memory is
>easily freed when the app is closed. Worst case scenario
>(which I've never experienced), I'd close all apps, which is
>effectively what one would do on an iphone.

Oh strawmanning? Is that like when you tried to start a side argument about the iPad?

Also, no, you wouldn't do that on the iPhone. The iPhone would note that the application is wildin' and close that bitch.

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IT HAS SHITTY PROCESSOR!!!>>>!!!!

SHITTY HARDWARE !!!>>>!!

SHITTYY SCREEN!!!???!!!

it's the same as the 3GS.

you don't know that of course, because you're a fanboy retard.

but it's funny to see say those things.


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1. The 3GS was consistently benchmarked as faster than the Pre
2. The Pre had well-known hardware issues

I'm basing the screen comparison on holding them both side by side and playing with both for a while. You disagree I guess. Fine.

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92. "1. you're an iphone fanboy and a liar"
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2. you don't research anything, you say whatever brand you've decided to dickride is better and ignore all evidence to the contrary



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You woulda talked people out of

Blu-Ray in favor of HD-DVD...
iPod in favor of some bullshit...
and now the iPhone in favor of Pre.

And we sposed to trust your tech judgement.

FOH.

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you're just a fanboy, plain and simple.

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87. "RE: Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourse..."
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>>Actually, no, because the hardware is perfectly fine.
>>"Shitty" is definitely a ridiculous bit of hyperbole. I'd
>>rather have an actual keyboard, even if accompanied with the
>>occasional slider problems (of which I've had none), than
>just
>>not have the keyboard at all.
>
>Good. If you gotta have a keyboard stick with the Pre. Tens of
>millions of people way dumber than you have figured out how to
>use a screen just fine but you can't get by. Great. Palm is
>for you.

It's not about "knowing how to use a screen." Jesus christ. They took something away, something that many of us consider to be very important. They removed a feature, and replaced it with a workaround. That's fine, but we should call it what it is.

>>>Screen?
>>
>>Considering that the pixel count is the same on the Pre as
>on
>>the iphone, that's another no.
>
>Yeah LOL at pixel count being the only thing that matters on a
>screen. I presume you only look at the megapixel spec when
>buying cameras too.

Alright, what specifically are you getting at, apart from vague insinuations?

>>>Processor?
>>
>>The processor, again, is fine. The Pre is generally faster
>>than the 3G, and on many benchmarks, is competitive with the
>>3GS.
>
>Latest iPhone vs. latest Palm. Seems fair to me. And
>benchmarks aside, even against the 3G the Pre was very choppy
>in basic usage like swiping through photos or scrolling a long
>web page. I've actually done this side by side. You should
>too.

I have, and I have very little idea when you did this and on what firmware. I have no more reason to take your word for this than you have mine. But users are not generally complaining about the Pre being "very choppy in basic usage," so I don't know where you're getting that.

>>Well, the specific thing you said was "Sorry but the app
>store
>>pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone."
>Probably,
>>for some people. Not for all people.
>
>Obviously I didn't claim that all people prefer the iPhone.

No, you said "the app store pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone." "Best," like it's some kind of objective claim. But you neglected the fact that most of us can still find all the apps we need for the Pre, so for us, the app store is moot.

>This argument defeats that argument.
>
>>Then you said "actual people" don't care about multitasking,
>>then failed to explain why everyone seems to be talking
>about
>>whether they're about to do it.
>>
>>And my 50+ parents love their six year old e-machines piece
>of
>>shit desktop computer. That doesn't mean it "pretty much
>>makes it the best computer."
>
>LOL @ everyone on Engadget and OKP High Tech being "everyone".
>I guess you forgot that girls and old people buy phones too.

Well, I actually meant "everyone" to whom the OS 4 announcement was intended. Apple claims to have something to announce. The possibility that is usually mentioned in this context is multitasking.

>Besides that, the ONLY claim I made about multitasking is that
>it is clearly not a do-or-die feature based on market results.
>That point is irrefutable.

And I didn't claim to refute it.

>The iPhone does not have
>multitasking (yet), and is already the best-selling phone of
>all time. That makes multitasking a nice-to-have in the minds
>of many.
>
>If you want to base your assessment of aggregate public
>interest on Forum 11 on OKP rather than the entire American
>free market system, knock yourself out.

Well, how about the tech section of any major American newspaper? It's not like OKP is the only place where this is being discussed.

>Also, the app store is a major differentiator between the
>iPhone and other smart phones. The last important one left,
>I'd say. That's why it's reasonable to cite it as a reason for
>the iPhones continued success.

A big app store is great, but you have to admit there's a point of diminishing returns, where an app store becomes perfectly sufficient for any typical user. Any reasonable person would admit the Android marketplace is already there. The Palm Catalog is obviously more questionable, but it's quite a bit younger than the others, and most users seem to think it's growing at an acceptable rate.

>YOUR argument for why the
>iPhone is so successful is magical Apple FUD and trickery
>powerful enough to brainwash an entire nation and generate
>billions in revenue, yet impossible to duplicate by any other
>company on earth.

See, this is that strawmanning I was mentioning before.

>Steve Jobs isn't a Jedi. He makes great products and takes big
>risks.
>
>>The important point is that until they do these things, they
>>either claim they don't matter, or that they don't fit into
>>their revolutionary new user experience. Multitasking,
>>gapless, DRM, MMS, "didn't matter" until they did them. All
>>this time they said these things didn't matter, they were
>>working on them.
>
>>Cut and paste was a little more entertaining, because they
>>didn't just say it didn't matter. They tried to pretend
>there
>>was a fundamental difficulty in the very idea of selecting
>>text within their revolutionary, simple, intuitive user
>>experience. Then when they finally unveiled it, the
>>implementation was essentially what anyone would have
>expected
>>on day one.
>>
>>It took a very long time for the Pre to get cut and paste.
>>Seven or eight months as I remember. They didn't say it
>>didn't matter. They didn't say they were wrestling with
>>fundamental issues of human interaction. They said they
>were
>>working on it.
>>
>>I think I'm mostly just annoyed at Apple's hubris. The way
>>they claim to be the arbiters of what matters, or of how
>>people interact with their technology, when in fact they
>>respond to the marketplace all the time, including their
>>competitors.
>>
>>The iPad, for example, is a netbook. They can pretend all
>>they want, but it's a tablet-format netbook. Tablets have
>>existed for a long time, and dumbed-down laptops (netbooks)
>>have existed for a long time. There is nothing
>revolutionary
>>about the iPad except marketing.
>
>
>Fucking every tech company ever does that shit. So what?

So it's annoying when they do it, and Apple does it more frequently, and more egregiously, and more effectively, than any other.

>Nintendo thinks graphics don't matter. M$ thinks higher
>storage capacity doesn't matter. Sony thinks actual sales
>numbers don't matter. Every company trying to sell you
>something does this shit. Palm blatantly ripped off Apple's
>product,

I notice you still haven't detailed any particular examples of what exactly they ripped off.

>which you think was so non-revolutionary, then rushed
>a product to market, and were plagued with hardware & software
>issues for months after release, and you want to praise them
>for it.

Wait, do you live in a universe where the iphone was not "plagued with hardware and software issues for months after release"? Moreover, do you live in a universe where I "praised" Palm for hardware and software issues?

>Also if cut and paste has such an obvious implementation, why
>didn't Palm launch with it either?

Because they needed to fucking code it. And it wasn't their first priority. Just like Apple. That's my point. But at least they were honest about it.

>Why is WinMo7 hinting at
>launching without it?

Hinting at it? They've confirmed it multiple times, and I don't expect them to stick to it much longer than Apple did. But "Apple's no worse than Microsoft" isn't a particularly high standard to hold on to.



>>Who's micromanaging? As I said before, I have never noticed
>>any app, official or unofficial, to drain my battery
>>significantly in the background (apart from obvious ones
>that
>>play audio, or frequently update gps location, or something
>>like that). This is not an issue. It's an excuse, and it
>>should not be taken seriously.
>
>It's not an issue for you maybe, but most users would run
>foursquare or an IM client in the background all the time
>without really understanding the implications for power
>consumption.

If only they had some kind of centralized system from which everybody had to get their apps, so that Apple could warn them of these dangers in an organized way. They should think about that.

>Now you can argue that YOU get it so a Pre is
>better for YOU, but you can't really say that Apple is nuts
>for maybe holding off on multitasking until they solve that
>problem.
>
>>And again, nobody does that, because nobody needs to do that.
>
>>You're strawmanning. I don't run a task manager, I
>basically
>>only reboot for firmware updates, and my memory usage is
>fine.
>> On the rare occasions when an app does develop a serious
>>memory leak (as used to happen occasionally in the browser,
>a
>>few firmwares ago), it's obvious what it is and the memory
>is
>>easily freed when the app is closed. Worst case scenario
>>(which I've never experienced), I'd close all apps, which is
>>effectively what one would do on an iphone.
>
>Oh strawmanning? Is that like when you tried to start a side
>argument about the iPad?

Um, no, it's not. The straw man tactic involves intentionally misstating the arguments of one's opponent, so that you can more easily knock those arguments down. I never claimed to know your views of the iPad, and I never claimed to knock them down. I was citing an example, torn from the headlines, as they say. My point was that the iPad's been successfully turned into something more than it deserves to be, in the public consciousness. You're welcome to dispute that, accept it, or leave it.

  

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63. "I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing..."
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...games

Social networking, iming, email and productivity blah blah - almost everything else Apple have 100 apps for Android & a couple others have apps for that covers the same functionality.

But gaming seems to be where Apple done separated from the pack. Apple seems to have made up for their fail in the 90's with their halfassed attempt in gaming as developer support made gaming on the iPhone form a mere niche to a platform that picked up enough steam over the years to overtake the PSP and charge @ the DS. iPhones can't do much of anything that impress me app-wise, but SF4 or Metal Gear? Have me sit next to someone playin ish like that and my eyes might be transfixed right on they shit like O_O

  

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70. "RE: I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing..."
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aside from the games thing though, within that massive app catalog there are bound to be a few that really appeal to each individual user. it's not that everyone's going to use all of the apps, it's that there are likely to be a few really serious apps that are available only on the iphone that the individual customer won't want to give up, or at least would expect to have on an alternative platform.

i can only talk about what i use it for, but there's an incredible japanese-english dictionary and 3D graphing calculator that i use all of the time, and neither of them are on any of the other platforms. that would be the bare minimum for me to consider switching, and i think there are probably a lot of others in similar situations.

  

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74. "3D graphing calculator?"
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All fanboyism aside, I'm just curious why anybody would ever need such a thing. I haven't used one since AP Calculus, and I do more calculus per day now than I did then.

I use gnuplot very frequently (mostly for data but occasionally for functions). I just can't imagine having a use for it when I'm away from the computer. You do some kind of in-the-field engineering? Teaching?

I take your point that everyone wants a few niche apps. I had to get into homebrew just to find a terminal and an ssh client on the Pre, while my iphone-using buddy reminds me that there are like a dozen of them officially on the iphone. But I found it eventually.

  

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75. "econ grad student"
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i'm trying to get my calculus and trig up

  

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81. "Ah, cool."
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82. "what's a fingerprint sphere, btw?"
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been wondering about that thing in your avy forever

  

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Thanks for asking, though. It has to do with my research. Specifically, it relates to an effect called gravitational lensing.

Basically, in general relativity, the presence of a gravitational field causes light rays to "shear," meaning that they spread in one direction and compress in the orthogonal direction.

The sphere shown in my avy represents something called the "celestial sphere." This is basically the mathematical representation of what someone sees when they look into the sky. If you collect all the light rays that cross a given point in spacetime (at which point they could, for example, enter somebody's eye), then this collection as a whole is mathematically a sphere, the sphere on which the stars appear to be attached, so historically it's called the celestial sphere. (Strictly speaking, the picture is actually drawn on something called the "anti-celestial sphere," I guess because I prefer to be anti-celestial, but the distinction isn't particularly important.)

So this sphere represents all the directions from which a light ray can enter an eye. If there's a gravitational field in that vicinity, then it will shear the light rays, as I mentioned above. Interestingly, light rays from different directions are sheared in different ways. So if you trace out the plane along which the light rays are stretched by the shearing, as a function of the direction from which they came, you produce a pattern on this space of light rays, and it looks kinda like a fingerprint on the sphere. This is called the "fingerprint pattern" of the gravitational field, and it turns out to be a very effective way to characterize the essential structure of a gravitational field at a point in spacetime in general relativity. In particular, the "singularities" of the pattern, points where the curves fold up on themselves (two are visible in the picture: one slightly down and to the left from the center, and the other up near the north pole) frequently come in precisely the same patterns on finger-fingerprints, but in the case of a gravitational field they define the "degeneracies of the principal null directions," which in turn define precisely what kind of gravitational field you're dealing with. So like detectives analyze fingerprints to identify a person, a physicist can analyze a fingerprint to identify a gravitational field.

When I first put up that avy, I included a few of these buzzwords in my sig, but I quickly decided that'd be too nerdy. But in a thread like this I figure I'm safe.

  

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thanks a lot for typing that out.

  

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278. "RE: I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing..."
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3D graphing calculator? Android have at least one 5 star app in the marketplace that handles that. As for Japanese/English dictionary's there's at least a couple highly rated apps that can handle that along with Google's initative to take on this:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/googles-real-time-voice-translator-could-make-any-language-lingua-franca/

  

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311. "it's not just about handling it though"
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it's about the quality of the app. if i wanted a simple japanese-english dictionary there are plenty of decent ones for free on the app store, and i'm sure that android has comparable ones. If I want a deep, full-featured dictionary with example sentences separated by sense, idioms, jumping, bookmarks, etc. then for twenty bucks, this app replaces a separate $300 digital dictionary for me, plus it's one less device to throw in my bag. there's nothing close to this out for android.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05RqWWJinHc

  

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56. "what if adkit is their big announcement?"
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half the audience will poop their pants in anger and the rest will lose their minds trying to spin it into a positive.

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57. "bet?"
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58. "oh I don't think it will be."
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but I'd die of laughter if it was. I might even lay off you guys for a whole month like I did in February. Give you a chance to restore that RDF.

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77. "while I cry myself to sleep that night "
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if it's system wide and incorporated into dev kits that rips a whole in my universe.

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98. "appreciate it."
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hater.

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140. ""So our seventh tent pole is called... iAd""
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"It's mobile advertising. Now, what's this about?"

  

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64. "any chance of Apple adding a real UI?"
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the windows 7 phone interface makes iphone look like a damn fisher price My First Phone. but i have a bad feeling that Apple's gonna stick with the Grid of Colorful Squares (GCS).

if so, it's a wrap...my next phone will be Windows...never thought i'd say that.

on a side note, that complete lack of a coherent UI is what makes the iPad completely unappealing to me...that awkward home screen of lonely square icons makes me laugh every time i see it.

  

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67. "you know windows phone 7 won't have copy/paste, right?"
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/windows-phone-7-series-wont-have-copy-and-paste/

We just super-double-ultra-plus-confirmed this with Microsoft -- Windows Phone 7 Series will not have copy and paste functionality. There is a data-detection service built into the text-handling API that will recognize phone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says most users, including Office users, don't really need clipboard functionality.

  

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71. "lol"
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76. "whatever, chief"
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79. "I love reading the iPhone bashing posts"
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while steve jobs laughs his way to the bank....and microsoft's CEO says shit like this

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/04/30/ballmer.on.iphone/

  

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86. "who specifically is bashing the iphone"
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287. "lets start with this"
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"ut really, apart from the "innovations" of removing keys and limiting customization, what were the fundamental innovations that Apple provided that everybody else supposedly copied? "

  

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288. "so, you think that's bashing and not true?"
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289. "explain how its not bashing"
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take a snapshot of the cell phone market before and after the iphone came out tell me that apple had nothing to do with it.

  

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292. "if it's true, it's not bashing"
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I dunno, if you're gonna get butthurt over single lines that aren't even false

then yeah, everything is going to seem like bashing to you.

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299. "minimizing a major impact on an industry = bashing"
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>I dunno, if you're gonna get butthurt over single lines that
>aren't even false

the truth has nothing to do with it. you don't have to spew lies in order to bash something.

people want to downplay the iPhone and act like there is nothing really that special or great about it compared to whats out now without acknowledging that those phones wouldn't be here without the iPhone (and save me the google 'we were already working on android before the iphone came out bs)....and it only took 2 years for them to catch up *applause*

and i'm not exactly butthurt over it, i'm amused by it.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/04/30/ballmer.on.iphone/

thats the CEO of the most powerful software company in the world making a face plant.


  

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300. "dude, you're upset because other people aren't as impressed as you"
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THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF BUTTHURT

you're not arguing facts you're arguing influence and impact

I mean, if you want the iPhone to be appreciated better, go to some mac forums or something. in the real world, it was a huge step forward in several ways, and a massive step back in a lot of others, especially when it launched. we don't have to pay respect at the altar of steve to discuss where the os is four generations later.

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303. "sounds like you are butthurt"
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>THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF BUTTHURT
>
>you're not arguing facts you're arguing influence and impact

i'm not upset that other people aren't as impressed as i am. this isn't even up for debate. the industry has been impressed with the iphone. this is a fact, not something i'm arguing.

now, the fact that you are upset because of this is another story.....

>I mean, if you want the iPhone to be appreciated better, go to
>some mac forums or something. in the real world, it was a huge
>step forward in several ways, and a massive step back in a lot
>of others, especially when it launched.

massive step backwards? really?

>we don't have to pay
>respect at the altar of steve to discuss where the os is four
>generations later.

right, but lets drool over another os that is 'free' and 'open' that might be only slightly better than (but not as successful as) the iphone and claim still its lightyears better (scooter/ferrari).... without acknowledging that it took damn near 2 years for the competition to get to this point. thats perfectly okay.

  

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304. "lol. ok. turn it around, i'm upset"
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that makes anything you're saying make sense.

remember, you're the one who has the problem.

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305. "where did i say i have a problem?"
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90. "the iphone is the most influential mobile phone period"
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I've worked in & around the mobile industry since the 90s and never seen anything like it.

There were phones that blew up (BB mos def gets props and is the predecessor to the iPhone in what influence it provided) but this literally changed the game and secretly handset makers LOVE what it did because they were able to grow balls when dealing with operators, who controlled how their product was made.

I hope that they step their game up though because they are starting to get viable challenges from Android and a few others and a good back and forth helps us the consumer.



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93. "The only thing that will help the consumer.."
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...is being able to choose our own carrier no matter the model of the phone.

I love what Google did with the Nexus One contract. I'm giving it 3 years until that's the norm.

@dseals | @digife
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95. "it's almost the norm here"
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The offspring :-D

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99. "doubt it"
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94. "its not really bashing"
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ever been on dailytech.com?
we keep it pretty civil here until someone says something stupid.

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100. "no more get a mac ads? "
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/08/actor_says_apples_get_a_mac_ads_could_be_at_an_end.html

Actor says Apple's 'Get a Mac' ads could be at an end

By Katie Marsal
Published: 08:30 AM EST

Actor Justin Long said Apple's iconic, long-running "Get a Mac" commercials starring himself and John Hodgman may be over, with Apple ready to "move on" from the successful TV campaign.

In an interview with The Onion's A.V. Club, Long, who has appeared in movies such as Drag Me to Hell and Live Free or Die Hard, said he heard from Hodgman that the commercials may be over.

"You know, I think they might be done," he said. "In fact, I heard from John, I think they're going to move on. I can't say definitively, which is sad, because not only am I going to miss doing them, but also working with John. I've become very close with him, and heís one of my dearest, greatest friends."

He continued: "It was so much fun to go do that job, because thereís not a lot to it for me. A lot of it is just keeping myself entertained between takes, and there's no one I'd rather do it with than John."

The latest commercials came last October, released to counter the launch of Microsoft's Windows 7. For years, Long has played the role of "Mac" in the commercials, the straight man to Hodgman's bumbling "PC" character. The successful campaign has portrayed Windows PCs as machines that are prone to issues that frustrate consumers., and lack the simplicity and ease of use of the Mac.

The commercials debuted in May 2006 with six TV spots that attacked Windows for being susceptible to viruses and system crashes. It was recognized as the advertising campaign of the decade by Adweek in December.

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102. "those ads only worked when niggas didn't have macs"
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once that shit crashed on you cuz all computers do eventually, they're pretty bs.

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104. "it's an ad."
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it's there to persuade people to buy a product based on slamming the shit out of competitors and in that sense it worked very well.
you gotta admit that...with a dollop of insult and a dash of sarcasm.

*sarcasm precognition meter ticking like mad*

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103. "IT'S ABOUT TIME."
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That joke ran out of steam a long time ago.

  

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105. "Jeff Goldbloom is coming back (swipe)"
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psyche.

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107. "I was finna say; they that desperate?"
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Why not let the Pixar characters do some? Too much shameful cross-pollination?

  

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108. "Wall-e in commercials?"
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i'd dig that.

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109. "Liveblogs:"
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/04/08/apple-iphone-os-4-live-blog/

http://live.gizmodo.com

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/

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110. ""MULTI-TASKING""
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let's see if it's a modification

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the best. Just like cut and paste." -Jobs

  

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111. "Maybe they kidnapped the Backgrounder devs and threw them"
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in a warehouse someplace with some old Technicolor iMacs and some torture devices.

  

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112. "Im surprised. I figured if that was the case"
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they wouldda put it in with the tablet release

  

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117. "t'wasn't ready yet."
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121. "It's only two months away"
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Guaranteed there are stable 4.0 releases flying around in high level Apple Cult member hands

  

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113. "edit. nope."
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nm

  

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114. "Uh oh Applers! It's gonna kill yer batteries and leak yer memory!"
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Look out!

  

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115. "here come the 180s. "
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all the folks who said they don't need it will be thrilled.

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118. "Or they'll say "Now there's NO reason not to use an iphone.""
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As if they would have admitted one before.

  

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126. "yup. and if you argue against it they'll bring the "silent majority""
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into the fight. and whatever argument you have against apple doesn't matter because the silent majority doesnt care about it.

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125. "lol."
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>all the folks who said they don't need it will be thrilled.

  

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116. "It may just be me"
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but their approach doesn't seem novel yet theyre saying it is...

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Nukkapedia
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119. "apparently they're only allowing seven apis to run in the"
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background.

So what does this mean for application uses that fall outside of these boundaries? Will they at least be able to freeze an app?

  

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122. "Yeah, it looks like they're mostly geared for specific uses"
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I'll wait for them to reveal the other 4 before passing judgement tho

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Nukkapedia
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124. "OK, fast app switching is #7. I'm good."
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Long as it can freeze the others.

And task completion is #6.

  

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180. "Um. What?"
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Q: Is there a reason why you wonít be able to see a timeline in Twitter or an IM conversation in the background?
A: We think it works better with the push notifications as itís in place now. The fast-app switching is very complicated and more impressive than what we demoed.

-_- really?

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Nukkapedia
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198. "My question is, if you can fast switch back to the application"
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and it's doing notifications, isn't that enough?

If it's not going to sign you out when you switch applications (which it already doesn't), it's not much different than how IMs are handled on a computer except that the IM screen isn't "always up", which I suppose is what people are asking for?

Considering it's a small phone display, I'm okay with it the way it is, though the multitasking bar will help. On the iPad, however, I can see how an always-up IM or Twitter client would be worthwhile.

  

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204. "I think the question/answer was a bit unclear."
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But I was probably just trippin'.

Giving it a second thought I have more beef with the actual notification system itself (it could be better) than with how the applications are set up. The applications are just using what they're given.

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120. "The skype stuff is cool tho'"
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123. "cell location only in the background? fail"
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128. "they can use GPS for apps like turn by turn if they wish"
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127. "Folders. bout time."
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"I want to make a folder with games in it. I have several games, so I
just push my finger on an app, they start to jiggle, and I just drag
one app on top of another and it instantly makes a folder. It also
automatically names the folder based on the categories of these apps, or I can rename."

  

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135. "^^"
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130. "CATEGO--er, folders!"
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131. "Folders..."
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how is this different from multiple home screens? I guess you can fit more on one home screen by consolidation into folders?

2000 apps... yikes.

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132. "uh, yeah. lol"
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134. "Apple is taking such a gigantic L"
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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133. "Enhanced Mail (pause) aka "Unified Inbox""
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just like HTC, no?

"All of your mail is in one inbox. And, we've made it so you can have
more than one Exchange account."

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136. "Headline: Apple Give free Pooh. Again."
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for nopayne.

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139. "doesn't Disney own almost all the rights to Pooh now?"
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144. "nope Licensed from A. A. Milne's estate."
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148. "Oh. I thought they sold."
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176. "*checks wiki*..still licensed"
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137. "Social Gaming Network."
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(you hear that? It's the sound of public schoolchildren's attention spans disintegrating)

  

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138. "Hmm.. Apple's own Xbox Live? Touche, Jobs. Touche."
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But don't sell me that 50000 games means it's better than the DS/PSP nonsense.

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142. "it's ambitious and could really work for them"
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http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

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145. "All I'm seeing is Street Fighter 4 online MP anywhere."
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that's awesome.

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147. "I agree. I feel like this is the most important announcement"
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outside of multitasking/iAd. This kind of service is pretty much nonexistent in the mobile space since Microsoft refuses to make a portable console and Nintendo refuses to embrace online. Sony just took an L, imo.

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153. "Yeah that was their best idea yet."
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178. "you sir use irony like a katana."
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187. "I'm serious lol."
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I've been seeing lots of movement towards social networks for apps (appbrain.com) and I think it's a good thing.

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194. "Oh wait, I guess they did kinda rip off xbox live."
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lol

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200. "Yup. but i'm ok with it this time since MS slept on the mobile"
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space. They're just filling a gap left by others. Before this you had smaller companies attempting to fill it and (mostly) failing.

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249. "xbox live anywhere?"
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well given ms history with gaming platforms, i don't have much faith in it either.

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254. "They might pull it off"
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The new Windows Mobile looks to be a force, and there's enough hardcore xbox fanboys to give it a small base to build from if they do it correctly.

  

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141. "Leaderboards..Acheivements... (rjcc in 3,2...)"
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BLATANT THEFT FROM M$...

Give me online SF4 Capcom. Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This is awesome.

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143. "iAd. Uh oh."
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149. "good for advertisers. bad for everyone else."
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no popovers please.

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155. "Btw, the more I think of it, this IAd is shots at the Google"
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"Apple will sell and host the ads, and will give developers 60% split of the revenue."

  

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192. "app lockin"
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easy money for developers, reasons not to focus on other platforms.

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157. "In theory it's a sound advertising implementation"
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in practice, however, it can ruin the experience. At least Apple's closed business practices will preserve the former....

*coughs*

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159. "Also cue the Xzibit "Apps inside of apps" gif."
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163. "thank god that Apple patented this garbage."
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I hope the actively enforce it too. Software patents gone right, for once.

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169. "ha. nm"
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183. "good for everyone if companies invest heavily in app development"
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cause they now have a new revenue stream

i mean for the iphone it's probably not a very good thing from user's perspective, but for the iPad, there's so much more potential for large scale application development projects

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151. "I just imagine it now..."
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*Incoming text sound*

LilWaynefan91: Im a month late Reg. I think we are having a kid.

*popup*
-=Act now! Toddler Wear Sale at Old Navy!=-

  

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160. "Baby Gap has better clothes"
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LOL

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229. "you like them 19 year olds huh"
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lol

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208. "this leaves Google/AdMob kinda dead in the water"
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those mobile ads were pretty weak - who wants to touch one when it forces you to leave the application (although i suppose that's less painful now with multitasking)

*sees Google board secretly hoping AdMob purchase gets blocked by FTC*

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146. "YAY. A POPUP ADVERTISEMENT API!"
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*shoots self in head*

  

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154. "no popovers..."
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please.

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156. "i better be able to turn that ish off"
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161. "yeah gimmie a toggle."
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164. "With Apple taking 40% of advertising? Good luck, homies. lol"
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324. "just don't click on the banner ads and they won't pop up."
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150. "Damn, sorry L_O_Quent"
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173. "Crap. I just saw this. Sorry homie"
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they stole your thunder and lightning plus a little bit of your livelihood.

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188. "actually nope, I just a read a shitload about it"
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it's simply an advertising platform inside of apps while my idea is a solution to location based advertising. The only thing this will end up doing is wasting times in my meetings because some big shot is going to assume that he's "in the know" and is throwing me a curve ball.

I missed the liveblog putting the little ones to sleep but read through it and when I got to that part my heart dropped until I realized that it was a OS wide platform with little google-isms about it.

The offspring :-D

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191. "That's good to hear. "
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Didn't know the specifics of what you were doing but its good to know that they're not encroaching on your territory too much.

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221. "good to hear man. n/m"
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250. "thanks but it's still a headache"
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from this moment on I need a concise answer to why it's not encroaching on my concept and with the information thus far it's not as a concise answer as I'd like. I have about 3 major meetings in the next two weeks and need to map this out pronto.

I understand why they did this--to capitalize off of apps even more-- but this coupled with their hazy app acceptance policy is still going to be annoying as hell. Good news is that this officially kicks off the mobile marketing madness which will speed up VCs in spreading money around aka good for us.

The offspring :-D

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152. "wait, was that a shameless plug for Toy Story 3? smh."
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158. "yes it was."
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the have a 'corporate relationship'.

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165. "Arright, somebody pull up photoshop. I'm too lazy."
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http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/iphone-os-4-0373-rm-eng.jpg

  

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167. "Too easy. lol"
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174. "oh noes LMFAO"
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184. "done."
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http://i42.tinypic.com/dxhg05.jpg

  

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214. "Perfect. Thanks."
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166. "iPad OS 4.0 in fall. Awful long wait."
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The RDF not fully fermented yet?

  

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171. "Wait... will the update be free?"
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If not they don't want it to be an obvious nickel and dime scenario. also they probably want the 3G iPads to be commonplace already.

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179. "From what I read: 1 free update for iPads"
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free for iPhones
$10 for iPod touch.

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182. "Ah Ok cool... it's a long wait but at least its free"
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by the time the next update (after 4) comes around they should already be putting a 2nd gen iPad out so I guess it makes sense.

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233. "its free cause they knew they were annoucing 4 so closely"
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to launch.

..|.,

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186. "they said it was a 'preview' and I personally"
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want Street Fighter 4 with match making and achievement support.

I can wait.

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168. "OS 4 is for recent devices only:"
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iPhone 3GS
" The 3G and 2nd gen iPod touch will get some stuff" - Giz.
iPod Touch 3rd Gen
iPad

1st gen iPod Touch, 1st gen iPhone left in the cold.

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172. "I love the smell of fragmentation in the morning."
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175. "you had to know that shit was gonna happen."
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177. "yeah"
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that's how they do.

ďThere was no decision to make as far as multitasking. Some of the earlier hardware canít support multitasking at all.Ē Ė Jobs

the early stuff can't handle it.

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193. "that effin sucks since i have a 3g"
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guess I have to get whatever comes out next

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242. "thats pretty much the idea behind it"
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>guess I have to get whatever comes out next

keep the profits rollin...

  

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170. "I am absolutely appalled at the lack of a notification update"
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That modal dialog UI was doo doo last year when they introduced it and I was 100% positive that they'd fix it this year.

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181. "LOL so u still cant multi-task with IM/Facebook/Twitter??"
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lololololololololol

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185. "Yeah. Because Push notifications works so well."
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lol.

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189. "how specifically are you suggesting this should have been"
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handled?

  

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197. "at the very least, it should be as seamless as push email."
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phase two should be an unobtrusive way of displaying notifications to the user.

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201. "menu bar notifications would be nice"
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though I'm not quite understanding what you mean by "as seamless as push email". Do you mean the application should be able to stay open and collect IMs without the notification box popping up?

  

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205. "correct me if I'm wrong"
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but my understanding is that you guys to to launch your twitter app every time you want it to pull down new tweets.

why can't the app just pull new tweets automatically once an hour or so?

btw, I used the word "push" in my original reply which is incorrect.

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220. "RE: correct me if I'm wrong"
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>but my understanding is that you guys to to launch your
>twitter app every time you want it to pull down new tweets.
>
>why can't the app just pull new tweets automatically once an
>hour or so?

Virtually all Twitter apps can be set to refresh automatically every x amount of minutes while they are open.

Some Twitter apps (Echofon Pro, for example) use push notification to inform you of new @mentions and DMs when the application is closed.

I don't know if OS 4.0 will allow devs to let Twitter apps automatically update the timeline every hour or so using the multitasking APIs if it's left open in the background. We shall see.

>
>btw, I used the word "push" in my original reply which is
>incorrect.

  

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195. "ANDROID IS PEDDLING PORN TO OUR CHILDREN!"
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"11:29AM Ryan Block from GDGT: What about running unsigned apps? Steve:
You know, there's a porn store for Android. Anyone can download them.
You can, your kids can. That's just not a place we want to go."

via Engadget

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/

  

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230. "dirrrty"
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196. "Interesting"
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I can't say I care about any of these features aside from the folders and having one mailbox. Multitasking honestly sounds pointless since most apps remember where you were when you come back to them and the only apps I'd want to run in the background already do (Safari, Mail, iPod). I guess having the MLB app play in the background would be cool, but it can already do that through Safari so I can't say I'm too hype for it.

It honestly just seems like theyíre adding features to appease the iPhone haters, but theyíre gonna hate regardless because itís Apple.

Oh, the game thing seems pretty cool, but I wonder how thatís gonna work since there are a lot of games with their own similar services (argon, open feint, etc.)

  

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199. "lmao. RDF in full effect!"
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203. "^proving my second point constantly"
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Thanks, dEs.

  

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206. "these features are improvements over the current iPhone OS, no?"
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I can see if you're not "geeked" over the announcement, but it's wild
to say they only did this stuff to appease "iPhone haters"

the changes to the mail box
the fast-switching
ability to run some apps in the background etc

  

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211. ""
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Yeah, theyíre improvements. Iím not arguing that. They just seem to improve things that critics of the phone bitched about more than anything.


>I can see if you're not "geeked" over the announcement, but
>it's wild
>to say they only did this stuff to appease "iPhone haters"
>
>the changes to the mail box
>the fast-switching
>ability to run some apps in the background etc

  

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215. "that's because the critics are often right. "
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>Yeah, theyíre improvements. Iím not arguing that. They just
>seem to improve things that critics of the phone bitched about
>more than anything.

lol.

  

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202. "what possible reasoning leads you to believe"
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"they're adding features to appease haters"????


it's IPHONE OWNERS who want nav & music at the same time

pandora & anything at the same time

it's developers who weant that access.

iads puts money in devs pockets even on free apps

so...what's for the haters?


just admit the shit ain't perfect as is, fuck.

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207. "Why not just get a phone with those features?"
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Iím not saying they arenít nice to have, but theyíre nothing that I really care that much about.

If I did I'd buy a different phone.

I could care less about Pandora. I got a phone with a ton of space for music specifically so I DONíT have to listen to the radio. The iPod will play in the background with any other app, so music + whatever has always been available.

I donít give a fuck about ads.

Shit just seems like it isnít speaking to me but to people that donít really have any intention of getting the device in the first place.




I mean, seriously, it has multitasking and copy & paste nowÖhow many of you haters are gonna cop one? Show of hands?




Yeah, thought so.

  

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210. "I won't. but it's not because of the iPhone itself as much "
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as it's about Apple.

The iPhone is a fine phone now that they've addressed most of the issues keep power-users from buying it.

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216. "thanks for showing your roots"
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because in the real world, where i live, and everyone else lives.

LOTS OF PEOPLE USE PANDORA

and most of them are on iphones.

they would all like to use pandora while doing other things.

every. single. one. of. them.

but you're obsessed about "the haters" because platform warz is all that matters to you personally.

the guy behind pandora gets on stage and says they add 30,000 listeners A DAY on iphone, it might be somewhat popular. I don't give a shit what you use, other people like it. people who use iphones. people who want it to run in the background, on their iphone.

my sister who has an iphone was just discussing this with my other sisters when they all realized they use and love pandora, but then she found out they can run it in the background since their phones are on android and webos and blackberry. that's why they use it more than she does.

this is a big deal for developers and iphone users. but yeah, keep talking about the haters and showing how ridiculously out of touch you are with reality.

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223. ""
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I donít give a fuck what everybody else likes and I was giving my personal impressions of the conference.

Iím supposed to be happy your little sister can listen to Niki Manaj or whatever the fuck kids like nowadays? Yeah, fuck all that noise.

On top of that, if you aren't gonna buy the phone now, what are you even arguing about?

I never thought youíd be trying to convince me that Apple has all the sudden done some incredible shit when itís just kinda boring to me.

  

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