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apexNYC

Fri Jan-19-01 08:53 AM

  
34. "RE: Westerner does not equal white."
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>>>Poor whites in factories, farms, etc. were not usually participants or followers, at least not intentionally.
>
>WHAT ABOUT RELIGION,PHILOSOPHY,WAY OF LIFE? GIVE
>ME A GROUP AND I'LL
>SHOW YOU HOW THEY WERE
>WESTERN IN BEHAVIOR/ACTIONS.

Let me clarify...I meant harmful Western ideas. Imperialism, individualism, destruction of the environment, capitalism, I know thats very broad but Im at work so I have limited typing time! Of course they have other non-political Western ideals. But why should some of these eliminated? Although Western religions have been used to justify exploitation and murder (as almost ALL religions have) there is nothing wrong with them in theirselves (just their execution historically by the ruling classes). I know that probably opened a big can of worms with that BUT...What about Western foods? Of course the peasantry ate them, but is there anything wrong with that? Western clothes, Western languages, etc. There is nothing intrinsically harmful in any of these things. Should I be wiped out for enjoying a good dish of German sauerkraut?
>
>>>Many poor whites living in SouthEastern Europe, parts of Ireland, are living a lot like their serf/peasant forefathers.
>
>AGAIN THEIR WESTERN BEHAVIOR INCLUDES MANY
>OTHER NON-POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND IDEAS.
>I'LL GET SOME SPECIFICS ABOUT
>THESE MYTHICAL "NON-WESTERN WHITE SOUTHEASTERN
>EUROPEANS"

See above

>>>Should they be wiped out as well?
>
>YES, moving on...

Why? This is a discussion, not an elementary school test.

>
>>>Many so-called Western ideas originated and/or flourished there.
>
>WHICH ONES? specifics, specifics.
>

Agriculture, imperialism, exploitation, etc. and if you wanna get to some of the less harmful ones, Egytp is the forefather of Greco-Roman religion and architecture.


>>>And what about the vast irrigation canals and agricultural fields that fed the nation? You dont think they harmed the environment?
>
>HOW DID THEY HARM THE ENVIRONMENT?
>enough conjecture, give me specifics.
>if you can?

diggin irrigation canals= uprooting plants, soil and the animals that live off of them

planting crops=once again uprooting plants, altering ecosystem

All of these things harm the environment.

>>>Many cultures in East Asia, particularly China, adhered to some of these violent, exploitative, and harmful "Western" ideals as well.
>
>like what specifically?

Imperialism, exploitation. Power over people. THese were not democratic or socialist nations by any means. They were tyrannic empires. Same can be said about Incans, Mayans, and Aztecs.

>
>>>And how do you think all of the disparate kingdoms of Lower and Upper Egypt were united? For the common good?
>

>ERRR?!?! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

It means they used FORCE, COERCION, and VIOLENCE to unite the empire. It wasnt done voluntarily.

The point is, any time and any place a "civilization" popped up, ideas we attribute to Westerners popped up as well.

  

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revolution: what are you fightin' for? [View all] , Beyond_Levels, Thu Jan-18-01 12:06 PM
 
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RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
1
Wow...
Jan 18th 2001
3
RE: Wow...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
6
      All I can say is...
Jan 18th 2001
7
           RE: All I can say is...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
11
                Let's start with the obvious...
Jan 18th 2001
15
                     This is more than a little harsh...
Jan 18th 2001
16
                     RE: This is more than a little harsh...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
18
                          Yup.
Jan 18th 2001
22
                               what in tha...
Jan 18th 2001
29
                                    Matrix...
Jan 18th 2001
30
                                         whoa
Jan 19th 2001
31
                                              Why?
Jan 19th 2001
41
                     RE: Let's start with the obvious...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
17
                          Never mind...
Jan 18th 2001
23
                          You're Terrible
Marinera
Jan 22nd 2001
59
                               Don't bother...
Jan 22nd 2001
61
                          I can't believe..........
insomnia
Jan 23rd 2001
63
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
Beyond_Levels
Jan 18th 2001
4
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
10
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
yinka
Jan 19th 2001
36
I AGREE
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
37
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
derby
Jan 19th 2001
39
not quite
yinka
Jan 19th 2001
40
i asked b/c
Beyond_Levels
Jan 19th 2001
42
what would u replace it with?
yoshiaki
Jan 20th 2001
53
Truth
KoalaLove
Jan 18th 2001
2
Yeah...
Jan 18th 2001
5
fighting for
audiovisuals
Jan 18th 2001
8
There it is...n/m
Jan 18th 2001
9
RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
12
And there is nothing wrong
Jan 19th 2001
33
RE: fighting for
Phraktal
Jan 18th 2001
13
RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
14
RE: fighting for
Phraktal
Jan 18th 2001
19
      RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
20
      no, no, no
apexNYC
Jan 18th 2001
21
           Westerner does not equal white.
Jan 18th 2001
24
           RE: Westerner does not equal white.
apexNYC
Jan 18th 2001
27
                RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
28
                    
                          RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 19th 2001
43
                               RE: Westerner does not equal white.
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
47
                                    Do you need help coming out?
Jan 20th 2001
50
                                    RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 21st 2001
55
                                    To add to what Solarus and utamaroho said...
dysfunctmonk
Jan 22nd 2001
62
           RE: no, no, no
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
26
                RE: no, no, no
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
35
      not looking to be provided for
audiovisuals
Jan 22nd 2001
58
zackly
audiovisuals
Jan 22nd 2001
56
Absolutely
Marinera
Jan 22nd 2001
60
      good question
audiovisuals
Jan 23rd 2001
66
Couldn't resist...
Jan 18th 2001
25
God, Bless the Child
Jan 19th 2001
32
its obvious
Jan 19th 2001
38
      who was this remark...
Beyond_Levels
Jan 19th 2001
44
      why is that?
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
45
      RE: why is that?
utamaroho
Jan 19th 2001
46
           RE: why is that?
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
48
                Misunderstanding
Jan 20th 2001
49
                     RE: Misunderstanding
booby_trap_the_sniper
Jan 20th 2001
51
                          RE: Misunderstanding
utamaroho
Jan 20th 2001
54
      I don't get it
Jan 22nd 2001
57
western civilizations
booby_trap_the_sniper
Jan 20th 2001
52
Power doesn't equal problems
dysfunctmonk
Jan 23rd 2001
64
Fight 4 di yoots!
Jan 23rd 2001
65
what am I fighting for?
Jan 30th 2001
67
plagues of ignorance
lusciousDivya
Jan 31st 2001
68

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