19277, RE: Westerner does not equal white.|
Posted by guest, Fri Jan-19-01 08:53 AM
>>>Poor whites in factories, farms, etc. were not usually participants or followers, at least not intentionally.
>WHAT ABOUT RELIGION,PHILOSOPHY,WAY OF LIFE? GIVE
>ME A GROUP AND I'LL
>SHOW YOU HOW THEY WERE
>WESTERN IN BEHAVIOR/ACTIONS.
Let me clarify...I meant harmful Western ideas. Imperialism, individualism, destruction of the environment, capitalism, I know thats very broad but Im at work so I have limited typing time! Of course they have other non-political Western ideals. But why should some of these eliminated? Although Western religions have been used to justify exploitation and murder (as almost ALL religions have) there is nothing wrong with them in theirselves (just their execution historically by the ruling classes). I know that probably opened a big can of worms with that BUT...What about Western foods? Of course the peasantry ate them, but is there anything wrong with that? Western clothes, Western languages, etc. There is nothing intrinsically harmful in any of these things. Should I be wiped out for enjoying a good dish of German sauerkraut?
>>>Many poor whites living in SouthEastern Europe, parts of Ireland, are living a lot like their serf/peasant forefathers.
>AGAIN THEIR WESTERN BEHAVIOR INCLUDES MANY
>OTHER NON-POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND IDEAS.
>I'LL GET SOME SPECIFICS ABOUT
>THESE MYTHICAL "NON-WESTERN WHITE SOUTHEASTERN
>>>Should they be wiped out as well?
>YES, moving on...
Why? This is a discussion, not an elementary school test.
>>>Many so-called Western ideas originated and/or flourished there.
>WHICH ONES? specifics, specifics.
Agriculture, imperialism, exploitation, etc. and if you wanna get to some of the less harmful ones, Egytp is the forefather of Greco-Roman religion and architecture.
>>>And what about the vast irrigation canals and agricultural fields that fed the nation? You dont think they harmed the environment?
>HOW DID THEY HARM THE ENVIRONMENT?
>enough conjecture, give me specifics.
>if you can?
diggin irrigation canals= uprooting plants, soil and the animals that live off of them
planting crops=once again uprooting plants, altering ecosystem
All of these things harm the environment.
>>>Many cultures in East Asia, particularly China, adhered to some of these violent, exploitative, and harmful "Western" ideals as well.
>like what specifically?
Imperialism, exploitation. Power over people. THese were not democratic or socialist nations by any means. They were tyrannic empires. Same can be said about Incans, Mayans, and Aztecs.
>>>And how do you think all of the disparate kingdoms of Lower and Upper Egypt were united? For the common good?
>ERRR?!?! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
It means they used FORCE, COERCION, and VIOLENCE to unite the empire. It wasnt done voluntarily.
The point is, any time and any place a "civilization" popped up, ideas we attribute to Westerners popped up as well.