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apexNYC

Thu Jan-18-01 06:48 PM

  
27. "RE: Westerner does not equal white."
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For the record, I am of European descent (I'll avoid use of the word "white" or "western" for this conversation), which comes with its biases.

I believe that for most of history this "Western mindstate" has mainly been dominant among the rich ruling and middle classes (I use middle class in the historical/bourgeoisie sense, not the AMerican, "were all middle class" sense). Valuing profit and power over human life and the environment, Machivellian leadership, and other tenets of "Western Civilization" have always been exercised by kings, politicians, capitalists, and their supporters. Poor whites in factories, farms, etc. were not usually participants or followers, at least not intentionally. I guess you could say I take more of a Marxist standpoint. This whole Western philosophy scam (i.e. unchecked individualism, capitalism, environmental destruction, etc.) is taught to us all so that we can be good citizens. It is not an innate part of white nature or human nature for that matter. However, nowadays in most "modern, Western" nations this mindstate has affected the masses from top-to-bottom. In most of these nations, people give their implicit approval of Western faults by merely going along with the system and profiting from it. But that still leaves out a whole lot of white people. Many poor whites living in SouthEastern Europe, parts of Ireland, are living a lot like their serf/peasant forefathers. They arent benefiting off of this wolrdwide exploitation of non-Westerners. Should they be wiped out as well?

Also, do you consider Egypt an African civilization? I do. Many so-called Western ideas originated and/or flourished there. You dont think the pyramids were built through volunteer work do you? And how do you think all of the disparate kingdoms of Lower and Upper Egypt were united? For the common good? And what about the vast irrigation canals and agricultural fields that fed the nation? You dont think they harmed the environment? (in my opinion, agiculture was the beginning of the end for the environment). Many cultures in East Asia, particularly China, adhered to some of these violent, exploitative, and harmful "Western" ideals as well.

So-called Western ideals have developed in any society with significant income and power inequality. They justify the status quo. The solution is redistribution (through violent means if necessary) and education.

  

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revolution: what are you fightin' for? [View all] , Beyond_Levels, Thu Jan-18-01 12:06 PM
 
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RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
1
Wow...
Jan 18th 2001
3
RE: Wow...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
6
      All I can say is...
Jan 18th 2001
7
           RE: All I can say is...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
11
                Let's start with the obvious...
Jan 18th 2001
15
                     This is more than a little harsh...
Jan 18th 2001
16
                     RE: This is more than a little harsh...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
18
                          Yup.
Jan 18th 2001
22
                               what in tha...
Jan 18th 2001
29
                                    Matrix...
Jan 18th 2001
30
                                         whoa
Jan 19th 2001
31
                                              Why?
Jan 19th 2001
41
                     RE: Let's start with the obvious...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
17
                          Never mind...
Jan 18th 2001
23
                          You're Terrible
Marinera
Jan 22nd 2001
59
                               Don't bother...
Jan 22nd 2001
61
                          I can't believe..........
insomnia
Jan 23rd 2001
63
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
Beyond_Levels
Jan 18th 2001
4
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
10
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
yinka
Jan 19th 2001
36
I AGREE
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
37
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
derby
Jan 19th 2001
39
not quite
yinka
Jan 19th 2001
40
i asked b/c
Beyond_Levels
Jan 19th 2001
42
what would u replace it with?
yoshiaki
Jan 20th 2001
53
Truth
KoalaLove
Jan 18th 2001
2
Yeah...
Jan 18th 2001
5
fighting for
audiovisuals
Jan 18th 2001
8
There it is...n/m
Jan 18th 2001
9
RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
12
And there is nothing wrong
Jan 19th 2001
33
RE: fighting for
Phraktal
Jan 18th 2001
13
RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
14
RE: fighting for
Phraktal
Jan 18th 2001
19
      RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
20
      no, no, no
apexNYC
Jan 18th 2001
21
           Westerner does not equal white.
Jan 18th 2001
24
          
                RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
28
                     RE: Westerner does not equal white.
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
34
                          RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 19th 2001
43
                               RE: Westerner does not equal white.
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
47
                                    Do you need help coming out?
Jan 20th 2001
50
                                    RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 21st 2001
55
                                    To add to what Solarus and utamaroho said...
dysfunctmonk
Jan 22nd 2001
62
           RE: no, no, no
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
26
                RE: no, no, no
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
35
      not looking to be provided for
audiovisuals
Jan 22nd 2001
58
zackly
audiovisuals
Jan 22nd 2001
56
Absolutely
Marinera
Jan 22nd 2001
60
      good question
audiovisuals
Jan 23rd 2001
66
Couldn't resist...
Jan 18th 2001
25
God, Bless the Child
Jan 19th 2001
32
its obvious
Jan 19th 2001
38
      who was this remark...
Beyond_Levels
Jan 19th 2001
44
      why is that?
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
45
      RE: why is that?
utamaroho
Jan 19th 2001
46
           RE: why is that?
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
48
                Misunderstanding
Jan 20th 2001
49
                     RE: Misunderstanding
booby_trap_the_sniper
Jan 20th 2001
51
                          RE: Misunderstanding
utamaroho
Jan 20th 2001
54
      I don't get it
Jan 22nd 2001
57
western civilizations
booby_trap_the_sniper
Jan 20th 2001
52
Power doesn't equal problems
dysfunctmonk
Jan 23rd 2001
64
Fight 4 di yoots!
Jan 23rd 2001
65
what am I fighting for?
Jan 30th 2001
67
plagues of ignorance
lusciousDivya
Jan 31st 2001
68

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