>which brings me back to this:
>what rights can a fetus
>possibly have?!?

the right to live?

considering that the fetus/child had no part in the circumstances of it's birth (whatever they migh be), is it really okay to say "i'mma kill it because i want to"?

at the very basic level this seems to be the question.

now where you go from there (should the mother be "forced" to carry this child against her will? does the father have any say so? will the wrong (killing the child) make the circumstances any better?) is where the water gets all muddy...

back to "the basic level question", if you think SO -- ive asked this before -- where is the line where your rights/desires as a parent are outweighed by the "rights" of that child? why eliminate this line AFTER birth? what if, three months later you decide you shouldn't have to be "forced" to raise this kid, so you put him in a dumpster? or what happens when they turn 13 and get all teenage-defiant, is it now cool to do that oh-not-so-funny bill cosby "i brought you in, i'mma take you out deal?

if viability/self-sufficiency is the line then does THAT apply in all cases too? THAT's where i was taking the issue.....