>>because the court determines such..... you
>>aren't a full fledged rights
>>having citizen in the US
>>unless you are 18.....
>
>dunno about that. are there not
>SOME rights you have prior
>to that (the whole "free
>speech" thing, for example)

some..not all....

>in this instance i'm not sure
>if we're talking about the
>"totality" of rights....i thought were
>were simply talking about rights
>in the context of who's
>"rights" take precedence if an
>unborn chil is determined to
>even have any

which brings me back to this: what rights can a fetus possibly have?!?

>>....a fetus also cannot exit
>>without help outside the mother's
>>womb...the rest of what you
>>mentioned were all possibilities of
>>born individuals....
>
>but now you're adding criteria. i
>thought the qualification(s) were voting
>and the ability to "survive
>on it's own" (and by
>the way this was the
>criteria you gave for "person-hood"
>anyway, not just criteria for
>rights -- which you also
>brought up later to tie
>back into the whole "right
>of a fetus" thing)

I qualified my answer based on your reply in order to (hopefully) make it as clear as possible...






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