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Thu Mar-22-01 11:16 AM

  
32. "RE: Former Vegetarian"
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>No, you made some assumptions there.
>I drink soy milk because
>it is the same animal
>that is being tortured by
>the meat industry that is
>giving the milk. (See my
>post above.) Muslims believe that
>the milk of cows is
>a blessing, and I believe
>this too. Milk of animals
>provides benefits, if it is
>consumed in a balance way
>just like meat. If too
>much milk is consumed then
>it becomes unhealthy. Just as
>if too much fruit, vegetables,
>or grains are consumed. Animals
>have rights in Islam. Muslims
>do not have the same
>view that mankind has dominion
>or ownership over animals, or
>any creation for that matter.
>Only Allah is the Owner.
>Islam teaches a view of
>participation with nature. This includes
>being able to use animals
>for purposes such as traveling,
>protection of land and home,
>guides for the blind, farming,
>and for food. This isn't
>dominion, this is participation, because
>the animals have rights over
>man. They have the right
>to be treated with kindness
>and compassion and not to
>be abused or tortured. If
>it was a dominion relationship,
>then the animals would have
>no rights and it would
>not be participatory. Also, it
>is believed by Muslims that
>on the Day of Judgement
>an animal that is harmed,
>mistreated, or killed for an
>unjust reason by someone will
>testify against that person before
>Allah.
>
>You must understand that suffering is
>a part of life. It
>is just as much a
>law of the universe as
>gravity. The opposite of suffering
>is of course pleasure and
>this is the balance of
>this temporary life. Whether or
>not you, or the entire
>human population, is Vegan, things
>will still suffer.
>
>Read my post that is above
>in this subject where I
>talk about compassion.
>
>Yusuf Abdus-Salaam

it is certainly the case that suffering is a significant part of life and this must be accepted or else one is being entirely unrealistic, however there is that suffering that is inevitable, say a close friend or family member is hit by a bus, and there is suffering that is knowlingly caused, the first of these must be accepted and dealt with, however the second can be prevented, i myself have recently become buddhist, but i was vegan before i became buddhist (its respect for animals is part of what attracted me), once again, i do not mean to attack, esp religious beliefs, just want to open up a dialogue
peace

  

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resent?
Mar 22nd 2001
1
yeah, you heard me... ; )
Mar 22nd 2001
4
      ok then
Mar 22nd 2001
6
           RE: ok then
Mar 22nd 2001
7
           ?
Mar 22nd 2001
8
           RE: ?
Mar 22nd 2001
10
                i'll buy those
Mar 22nd 2001
11
                RE: ?
Yusuf
Mar 22nd 2001
29
           Actually
JMello
Mar 22nd 2001
16
                and...
Mar 22nd 2001
25
                RE: Actually
Mar 22nd 2001
27
           Certain Cultures
JMello
Mar 22nd 2001
18
                RE: Certain Cultures
Mar 22nd 2001
19
                     LOL
JMello
Mar 22nd 2001
20
*shrug*
Mar 22nd 2001
2
RE: *shrug*
Mar 22nd 2001
3
      hopefully
Mar 22nd 2001
26
it's trendy
Mar 22nd 2001
5
RE: it's trendy
Mar 22nd 2001
12
RE: it's trendy
Mar 22nd 2001
13
      RE: it's trendy
Mar 22nd 2001
14
           whatever
Mar 22nd 2001
22
           RE: whatever
Mar 22nd 2001
24
           nope, it's different
Mar 22nd 2001
41
RE: it's trendy
Russell
Mar 22nd 2001
28
but....
Mar 22nd 2001
42
Austin, Tx
Mar 26th 2001
92
HEALTH
Mar 22nd 2001
38
      True.
Mar 22nd 2001
39
           Let's...
Mar 25th 2001
81
Strictly Omnivore.
Mar 22nd 2001
9
RE: Strictly Omnivore.
masani
Mar 22nd 2001
15
From the mouths of doctors...
Mar 22nd 2001
17
lmao@this one:
Mar 22nd 2001
23
Former Vegetarian
Yusuf
Mar 22nd 2001
21
RE: Former Vegetarian
liberation
Mar 22nd 2001
30
      RE: Former Vegetarian
Yusuf
Mar 22nd 2001
31
          
                RE: Former Vegetarian
Yusuf
Mar 22nd 2001
34
                RE: Former Vegetarian
liberation
Mar 22nd 2001
50
                Do......
Mar 22nd 2001
40
MYOB
Mar 22nd 2001
33
RE: Thoughts on Vegetarians or Carnivores?
iguana187
Mar 22nd 2001
35
RE: 5 words.......
Mar 22nd 2001
36
Do Better
Mar 22nd 2001
37
It was'nt me!
Slurmz Mckenzie
Mar 22nd 2001
48
      RE: It was'nt me!
Mar 23rd 2001
54
Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Soroban
Mar 22nd 2001
43
Point of correction
Soroban
Mar 22nd 2001
44
Old Argument
Yusuf
Mar 22nd 2001
45
RE: Old Argument
Soroban
Mar 22nd 2001
47
      RE: Old Argument
Yusuf
Mar 23rd 2001
53
           RE: Old Argument
makedax
Mar 23rd 2001
65
           RE: Old Argument
Soroban
Mar 23rd 2001
66
                RE: Old Argument
Yusuf
Mar 24th 2001
67
                     RE: Old Argument
Soroban
Mar 24th 2001
77
                          Seriously
Mar 25th 2001
79
                               Will Power
JMello
Mar 26th 2001
95
RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Mar 22nd 2001
46
      RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Soroban
Mar 22nd 2001
49
           RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
mahi
Mar 22nd 2001
51
                RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Mar 23rd 2001
55
                     RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Yusuf
Mar 23rd 2001
56
                     RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Mar 23rd 2001
57
                          RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Yusuf
Mar 23rd 2001
58
                               RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Mar 23rd 2001
60
                                    RE: Humans are not physiologically designed for meat eating
Yusuf
Mar 23rd 2001
62
                     I really think you are missing the point...
SacredEarth
Mar 23rd 2001
59
                          RE: I really think you are missing the point...
Mar 23rd 2001
61
                               RE: I really think you are missing the point...
Mar 25th 2001
82
                                    Lacked Variety
Mar 26th 2001
83
RE: Thoughts on Vegetarians or Carnivores?
mahi
Mar 22nd 2001
52
RE: Thoughts on Vegetarians or Carnivores?
iguana187
Mar 23rd 2001
63
Think about what you eat:
Mar 23rd 2001
64
Fruits and Veggies too
Yusuf
Mar 24th 2001
68
Nope
JMello
Mar 24th 2001
71
RE: Nope
Mar 26th 2001
87
      Insight
JMello
Mar 26th 2001
94
           Right:
Mar 27th 2001
103
RE: Think about what you eat:
Mar 24th 2001
72
RE: Thoughts on Vegetarians or Carnivores?
Mar 24th 2001
69
Primates = Omnivores
Marinera
Mar 24th 2001
70
RE: Primates = Omnivores
Mar 24th 2001
73
Oversights
Mar 24th 2001
74
      RE: Oversights
Mar 24th 2001
75
      RE: Oversights
Soroban
Mar 24th 2001
76
           What
Mar 26th 2001
85
                RE: What
Soroban
Mar 26th 2001
97
                     OK
Mar 27th 2001
102
      RE: Oversights
Marinera
Mar 25th 2001
80
           RE: Oversights
Soroban
Mar 26th 2001
98
Revolutionaries
Revenge4Diallo
Mar 25th 2001
78
RE: Revolutionaries
Mar 26th 2001
90
RE: Revolutionaries
Mar 27th 2001
104
I have a question
Mar 26th 2001
84
RE: I have a question
Mar 26th 2001
89
Omnivores kick ass!
Mar 26th 2001
86
My thought..
Mar 26th 2001
88
Afrikan Vegetarians
Mar 26th 2001
93
RE: My thought..
Soroban
Mar 26th 2001
99
      RE: My thought..
Mar 27th 2001
101
its like this...
blessnm
Mar 26th 2001
91
meateaters r dum
Mar 26th 2001
96
Defending Vegetarianism
Mar 26th 2001
100

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