Please tell me how Ohio State is in the College Football Playoff but didn't win its conference title and lost to the team that won the conference title?
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>Please tell me how Ohio State is in the College Football
>Playoff but didn't win its conference title and lost to the
>team that won the conference title?
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The CFP was set up to prevent this kind of nonsense. But the current setup seems to be making it even worst.
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It's not always as simple as if team A beats team B then A is better than B.

It's gotta be a full season. It's always going to be controversial, there is no perfect system, but it's not THAT crazy to imagine OSU still being ahead of Penn State.

Michigan > PSU > Ohio State > Michigan

PSU < Pitt < Oklahoma State < Oklahoma - Should Oklahoma be in?

Virginia Tech > Pitt > Clemson > Virginia Tech

It can't always be broken down to just 1 game.

Pretty hard to argue against that. Also, if we're comparing quality of wins/losses, OSU narrowly beat MSU 17-16. A week later PSU beats them 45-12. PSU pummeled Iowa 41-14 and then Iowa goes out and beats Michigan in their next game (and this was late in the season).

Committee has always said they factor in conference championships and the timing of losses. Anyone who has watched PSU play over the past month knows they are a vastly improved team.

I'm not going to piss and moan too much either way, I just think PSU is definitely among the top 4 teams in the country right now. But again, it's Bama then everyone else so I'm not sure it's worth the emotional investment.

Can't lose to Pitt when you have another loss.

Clemson knew that and didn't lose again

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I think beating both teams that made the ACC chip shows PITT isnt a bad loss...

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which is weird with Narduzzi as the coach

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

FTFY

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Should be

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Penn State

>1. Alabama
>2. Clemson
>3. Ohio State
>4. Penn State

nobody wants to talk about Washington's ass juice schedule cause this is more about OSU hate than anything else

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stronger case for how corrupt the NCAA is. It just is what it is and I'm not sure anything will change anytime soon.

Do I think it's unfair that OSU get in over PSU? Bias aside, I do kind of think it is. PSU not only beat OSU, but they have been playing better as of late and won the conference championship. You can point to those early losses which look bad, but we all know this is a much, much different PSU team right now. The committee has stated in the past that they strongly consider the timing of losses and conference championships. That should work in PSU's favor. But I'm almost certain it won't.

At the end of the day, I won't be too upset though. For starters, I think 'Bama is going to beat the living tar out of everyone in the field. I'd much rather see PSU go and and win a Rose Bowl than get shit-canned by Bama. Also, we can bitch and whine about a few teams all day long, but the bottom line is the best team in the country is among the final 4 and that's what matters most. PSU should have beat PITT and played more competitively (despite missing all their LBs) against Mich. OSU shouldn't have lost to PSU if they truly are a top 3 team and Michigan shouldn't look painfully average like they have over the past several weeks. The team no one seems to be talking about is Clemson - who I feel is vastly overrated. Auburn, Troy, and NC State all had them on the ropes and they lost to PITT too.

In my humble opinion, the only team that truly deserves a spot is Alabama. After that, it gets real murky.

Dogg the NCAA has almost nothing to do with big time college football. They answer to Disney.

that would help a lot. instead their ADs schedule like some craven eunuchs, and then cry about why theyre left out.

in the last 15 years we've scheduled home & homes the following teams before conference play even began (some of them suck now but they were GOOD when we scheduled them)


UCLA L
Wazzou W
Washington, & NC State Ws
Marshall, @NC State W
Texas L
@ Texas W
@ USC Trojans L
Trojans L
Da U W
@ Da U L
Cal W
@Cal W
VT L
@VT W
@Oklahoma W
Oklahoma
TCU
@TCU
@Oregon
Oregon
@Notre Dame & Texas
Texas, @ Notre Dame


lol @ ppl saying alabama would destroy us. ppl said that in 2014 too. spotted them 14 points and then beat their ass...Alabama hasnt been tested all year in that one team conference...

never count out the Pontiff. I know who I'm betting on.

but FIRST.... we owe Clemson a beat down for what they did to Braxton in 2014...tomjohn...wya?

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>but FIRST.... we owe Clemson a beat down for what they did to
>Braxton in 2014...tomjohn...wya?

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We can't let him dink and dunk all game or we're screwed

If our offensive line can give jt time we have a chance. I hate facing mobile quarterbacks lol. Gotta spy Watson all game ugh


>>but FIRST.... we owe Clemson a beat down for what they did
>to
>>Braxton in 2014...tomjohn...wya?
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>We can't let him dink and dunk all game or we're screwed
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>If our offensive line can give jt time we have a chance. I
>hate facing mobile quarterbacks lol. Gotta spy Watson all
>game ugh

Yeah Deshaun waited till our last 3 games to start running which means he has fresh legs

The strength of our team is our DLine...Im pretty sure JT wont have alot of time...but the weakness is the back end so if any player makes it through to the second level...long day

First half will be boring as shit
Second half after adjustments the fireworks are going to get set off

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Stop complaining and actually setup a stronger OOC schedule to give yourself a better resume.

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Doesnt matter whether you win it or not, or who you beat along the way to get there

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fuck it, schedule FCS teams as long as you win your division, right?

it took balls to play at Norman in September and you should get credit for dominating a top ten OOC team on the road.

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This is always a huge topic of conversation in college basketball too. Slight variations, but the theme is the same: "we did great in conference play, we deserve to be in!" OOC matters.

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... who missed the tournament in basketball. Every year.

And in regards to major conferences, there quite often are teams that didn't win their conference regular season title who get a 1 seed due to OOC difficulty/achievement.

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The basic jist seems to be that OSU's win ove Oklahoma is worth more thanPDU's win over OSU

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makes it simple

furthermore, PSU's competition for the spot was UW, not OSU

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I don't disagree.

That's why I'm glad Coach Pete is working to adjust our OOC schedule.

shit, he didn't sign up for these games this year they were booked.

i'm glad we were able to add a home and home vs. Auburn. i hope we add more.

not only is good if you win, but it's interesting to play teams outside of your conference.

it's also better for the fans. i'd rather play Auburn with a risk of losing and get a good game than play Portland State and beat them 66-17.

And Clemson, which has an identical record to Washington, played a better out of conference schedule (and their one loss was closer than Washington's.)

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And penn state fans who are upset about "settling" for the Rose Bowl need better lives

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Us and osu are about a push audience wise. Ohio State has a few more fans and a better national brand, but we're a top five tv draw program. If we bumped either Clemson or Washington, both of who, have superior resumes and stronger computer rankings, that would be money shamberificy

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What truly formidable opponent did Washington play and beat?

Be careful with making assumptions about who played who. We think penn state is good because it beat two b1g powerhouses, but we have extremely limited data by which we can confirm Wisconsin and Ohio state are good. Likewise, if USC, Colorado, and Stanford all win their bowl games, all of a sudden we aren't making fun of UW's schedule.

But it doesn't have to be that hard. Washington won a Power 4 conference with one loss. Penn State lost twice and was the third best team in its division. UDub deserves it.

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I'm not saying they deserve a playoff spot, but you seem to be downplaying them a lot in here. OSU has the much better resume, but PSU did beat them and they are the more 'hot' team right now. PSU's offense has completely transformed with the maturation of McSorley and the defense is finally healthy again. They are playing as well as anyone in the country not named 'Bama.

Clemson has a lot of dud performances on their schedule. They narrowly escaped Troy and should have lost to NC State - would have if NC State had a competent kicker. They just beat VTech by only a TD.

Washington has some duds too.

Alabama is the only team that clearly stated their case for a playoff spot. After that OSU has the best resume. But again, they lost to PSU and aren't on the same hot streak as PSU (recent success is supposedly a factor in the equation) After that you could argue for Washington, Clemson, and PSU.

Leave them out. Fine, I'm definitely cool with a Rose Bowl game. But there's no way you are convincing me that Clemson, Washington, and OSU are better teams right now than PSU.

I saw them struggle and depend on fumble luck against Indiana, get outplayed in the first half by a 2-10 Sparty team, and get dominated along both lines of scrimmage against Wisconsin.

I don't know if they're better than Washington. I do know Washington, OSU, and Michigan are all ranked higher in the best computer models like S&P and would be favored on a neutral field. The idea that penn state got screwed is silly. At best, they were a judgement call against Washington.

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Penn State had 197 total yards and were down two touchdowns at the start of the fourth quarter. then boom: two Buckeye coverage busts and two blocked punts -- all of sudden Penn State was leading, with Ohio State forced into a desperation aerial drive to tie.

they deserved to win, but it was one of the oddest turns in a big game I've seen.

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they let them stay in that game (but didn't lose like PSU did vs. Pitt).

and the other dud was Browning's worst game of the year against USC who is a New Years bowl and who everyone thinks is currently the second best college team.

so........

PSU's wins vs. OSU and wisky blow away Washington's best win of...colorado on a neutral?

and psu's win vs osu was some hot garbage...but still, they won and deserve the credit.

also, why are you defining the Pac-12 title game as the ONLY quality win?

they beat Stanford who was Top 10. They beat Utah who was a top 20 team. They beat WSU who was ranked and who was lighting up EVERYONE at the time, and then they dragged the #8 team in the country for the Conf. Title.

why are people acting like the Big Ten is a bunch of world beaters? it's very much like the Pac-12: about four good teams near the top and then a bunch of scrubs. if UW actually showed up for the USC game, they'd be 13-0 and #2 with a bullet because USC isn't better than UW (they may be in the future, but not right today).

i mean, people can talk about quality wins all they want but that pretty much just means they haven't really seen UW play. We were tied for the most offensive TDs in CFB and we're 10th in defense.

i'd put a wager that UW would smoke Ohio St., Michigan, Wisconsin AND Penn St. if they played. UW's defense is on par w/ any Big Ten defense, but there's no offense in the Big Ten with the playmakers UW has.

so, * yeezy shrug *

Yes, the top four teams are all legit top 10 quality or better, but the rest of the conference is absolute rat ass. S&P had the average score for b1g teams, including the big four, well behind the sec and, surprisingly, the acc and I think in a virtual tie with the PAC 12. Big Ten fans who disagree should remember that we all got to play Maryland, Rutgers, and Sparty and that Iowa lost to an fcs school but finished second in the west despite playing three of the big four.

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>i'd put a wager that UW would smoke Ohio St., Michigan,
>Wisconsin AND Penn St. if they played. UW's defense is on par
>w/ any Big Ten defense, but there's no offense in the Big Ten
>with the playmakers UW has.

not much sense in continuing this convo any further, lol.

and the reason why colorado is mentioned because they're the highest ranked team RIGHT TODAY that washington has beat. nobody cares about what a team was ranked in week 2 or 3 or whatever. MSU and ND were top 10 teams at one point too. nobody cares.

i forgot that you are prescient. my bad.

based on absolutely nothing objective whatsoever

'desmond howard and a bunch of other talking heads think USC is playing great and we lost to USC at home but couldve beat them therefore we'd fuck everyone up not named bama'.

this is the extent of your objective evidence.

also, you're claiming that wash would beat the tar off a bunch of teams who would all be favored by over a td against washington. I'm sure the oddsmakers should be deferring to your objective expertise here.

you've ignored everything i've actually said, so why stop now?

oddsmakers? you mean the same oddsmakers who probably had Ohio St. favored over Penn St. by at least 14? yes, oddsmakers ALWAYS get it right.

you're not this dumb. but you also don't have the benefit of knowing anything about UW, so you just SOUND dumb.

>you've ignored everything i've actually said, so why stop
>now?

I haven't ignored anything other than a lot of subjective fluff. who is UW's best win? you'd rather talk about how amazing a 3-loss SC team is than discuss washington's best win or their ass juice OOC schedule...or the fact that the pac 12 as a whole did nothing in their OOC slate.

>oddsmakers? you mean the same oddsmakers who probably had Ohio
>St. favored over Penn St. by at least 14? yes, oddsmakers
>ALWAYS get it right.

OSU/PSU prob not the best example to use given that OSU statistically dominated that game by anyway...

never said oddsmakers always get it right, only that your opinion on washington (which is based on nothing other than homerism) flies in the face of every oddsmaker in the country...not only to the extent that washington would win as underdogs but would 'smoke' all of the teams mentioned. so essentially the oddsmakers are off by 3 td's or so in their perception of UW. in multiple match-ups. thats a bold stance.

>you're not this dumb. but you also don't have the benefit of
>knowing anything about UW, so you just SOUND dumb.

LOL, yeah i guess I'm not privy to the hidden secrets of UW football that can only be found on
insider UW message boards. the oddsmakers don't have access to this info either.

>>you've ignored everything i've actually said, so why stop
>>now?
>
>I haven't ignored anything other than a lot of subjective
>fluff. who is UW's best win? you'd rather talk about how
>amazing a 3-loss SC team is than discuss washington's best win
>or their ass juice OOC schedule...or the fact that the pac 12
>as a whole did nothing in their OOC slate.

you have. i've already laid out 5 times their quality wins. so why do you keep asking? the point of bringing up USC is to point out that UW lost to a team many consider the cream of the crop in the country all of a sudden (outside of Bama) vs. Pitt, who is decent at best. this will also get more interesting if USC destroys PSU in the Rose Bowl like many expect. i've also addressed in this post the OOC schedule. it's set years in advance and isn't easy to change...not our fault. Peterson is already working to improve it and the home and home with Auburn is a start (and we had a home and home with Wisconsin that they pulled out of). that's all you can do.

>>oddsmakers? you mean the same oddsmakers who probably had
>Ohio
>>St. favored over Penn St. by at least 14? yes, oddsmakers
>>ALWAYS get it right.
>
>OSU/PSU prob not the best example to use given that OSU
>statistically dominated that game by anyway...
>
>never said oddsmakers always get it right, only that your
>opinion on washington (which is based on nothing other than
>homerism) flies in the face of every oddsmaker in the
>country...not only to the extent that washington would win as
>underdogs but would 'smoke' all of the teams mentioned. so
>essentially the oddsmakers are off by 3 td's or so in their
>perception of UW. in multiple match-ups. thats a bold stance.

my opinion isn't based on homerism. my opinion is based on the actual players on the field. i've seen PSU plenty, Michigan plenty, OSU plenty...how can you not? and I'm telling you that UW will beat those teams based on the talent on the field and coaching on the sideline. it's not based on the teams each team has played, it's based on who is on each team and how those players play...which is a much better way of evaluating a team than how OSU did vs. Maryland compared to how UW did vs. Arizona St.

>>you're not this dumb. but you also don't have the benefit of
>>knowing anything about UW, so you just SOUND dumb.
>
>LOL, yeah i guess I'm not privy to the hidden secrets of UW
>football that can only be found on
>insider UW message boards. the oddsmakers don't have access to
>this info either.

so you simply look at what the oddsmakers say and thats how you evaluate teams? i'll keep that in mind going forward.

pew pew. i'm done with this convo so stow it.

>you have. i've already laid out 5 times their quality wins.

yes, you mentioned stanford and utah. i asked who the best win was, so i guess i get to choose from 1 of those 2 powerhouses...including the 1 that lost at home to Cal.


>interesting if USC destroys PSU in the Rose Bowl like many
>expect.

whether it happens or not, it won't have any impact on anything.

>i've also addressed in this post the OOC schedule.
>it's set years in advance and isn't easy to change...not our
>fault.

ok, well if it's not UW's fault then i don't know who to blame it on then, lol.


> and I'm telling
>you that UW will beat those teams based on the talent on the
>field and coaching on the sideline.

Ok, well OSU and mich have two of the best coaches in the game and defenses littered with NFL talent...but if you've broken it down and think UW has an edge there then ok.


>so you simply look at what the oddsmakers say and thats how
>you evaluate teams?

uhhhh, no. just said that your take is a rather bold one. and that nobody agrees with you other than perhaps washington fans.

just wanted to make sure that was stated for the record, even if y'all might have been able to guess how I'd feel about the matchup.

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>even
>if y'all might have been able to guess how I'd feel about the
>matchup.

so im surprised you can't see it, especially as it relates to our early season discussion about this squad.


PSU +7 is the play.

and i was the only dude taking the points with nebraska and wisky the past 2 bowl seasons. ain't shit changed.

Trojans are gonna come out with better athletes, a month to game plan, a black #4 decal on their helmets and fold the tent up on the frauds and the fake of Penn State.

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and this whole 'return to camelot' shit is completely vomit inducing.

but they'll run on sc with barkley, play aggressive and physical on D and blitz the shit out of darnold who has feasted on fugazi pac 12 defenses.

the tired narrative of sc's superior athletes is the biggest fraud going and it hasn't been that way since carrol era. we saw how badly that narrative got exposed vs bama when juju smith and adoree were supposed to overwhelm that bama D. not quite.

PSU has seen the same level of athletes when playing against osu and mich (both with better defenses than SC) and somehow PSU was able to torch a great wisky defense (again much better than what SC is bringing to the table defensively) in the second half.

helton hasn't out coached anyone in his life...don't care if you give him 6 months to prepare for this game. the coaching matchup is at best a wash.

>and this whole 'return to camelot' shit is completely vomit
>inducing.
>
>but they'll run on sc with barkley, play aggressive and
>physical on D and blitz the shit out of darnold who has
>feasted on fugazi pac 12 defenses.
>
>the tired narrative of sc's superior athletes is the biggest
>fraud going and it hasn't been that way since carrol era. we
>saw how badly that narrative got exposed vs bama when juju
>smith and adoree were supposed to overwhelm that bama D. not
>quite.
>
>PSU has seen the same level of athletes when playing against
>osu and mich (both with better defenses than SC) and somehow
>PSU was able to torch a great wisky defense (again much better
>than what SC is bringing to the table defensively) in the
>second half.
>
>helton hasn't out coached anyone in his life...don't care if
>you give him 6 months to prepare for this game. the coaching
>matchup is at best a wash.

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but sc is a lot closer talent wise to psu then they are to bama.

and there's nothing on sc talent-wise that psu hasen't seen this year playing against osu and mich.

Never mind that while SC was losing to Bama, who are more talented than both those teams, PSU was losing to Pitt.

Now you want me to somehow believe PSU, their whole deluded program of sychophants in a lather believing they're back because they snuck up on better BIG teams who probably took them lightly, PSU feeling robbed of a chance to be in the Final Four when they were sweating out the possibility of losing to Temple twice in a row a couple months ago, PSU who haven't won a big bowl game since I was in college or maybe even high school, *PENNFUCKINGSTATE* is gonna fly out from that podunk Klan country town that enables child molestation, come out to LA in those high school uniforms, step out on the Rose Bowl field and win a shootout with the USC Trojans?!?

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and that this supposed sc talent advantage over every squad not named bama is the biggest load of garbage.

a win by either team wouldn't shock me.

THEY ARE *clap clap* PENN STATE.

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and subsequent rose bowl appearance...is that it looks clay helton in for at least the next 3 years. as predicted by one very astute poster.

Or Wash/Bama? I think that's what it comes down to.

I said this in the other post: in theory I "get" the case for PSU over OSU, but I think better matchups are made w/ OSU in and PSU out.

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Washington vs Alabama is going to turn out as lopsided as Alabama vs Notre Dame did a few years ago. At least there's intrigue in the unknown with Penn State - I don't think Alabama has played an aerial attack like Penn State's, but also don't think Penn a state has faced speed on defense like Alabama's. So it's interesting to me at least.

I've watched Washington throttle both Stanford and and Colorado, and the eye test told me that Stanford and Colorado's defenses were just undersized and slow and their offenses overwhelmed. Nothing Washington did impressed me in the two games I saw them, and their resume isn't much to write home about.

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Id like to see the Big 10 champ, and the team that beat OSU have a crack at the SEC champion.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

At least PSU throws downfield.

Washingtins QB is trash when the lights are on.

I dint think Ohio State is that good this year

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We deserved to be there and if you have any question why, go watch the Kirby Hocutt interview from the Selection Show today after the four were announced.

he made a very clear case that should make sense to even the most reason-deficient of you goofballs.

BOW DOWN TO WASHINGTON! #GODAWGS

That's what I was reading. That would also certainly change the narrative, having to sub in Rutgers at the last minute

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