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"2014 Washington Professional Football Team Regular Season "
Tue Sep-02-14 11:11 AM by Dae021

          

Welp the pre-season is over, so on to the regular season.

- They're predicting us to finish 7-9. I honestly don't know what team we'll have and there's no reason to speculate because we're going to find out really soon.

- The Texans Defense is real, so if we can move the ball against them we should be in business. Their front is tough, and they get after the passer. Griff had better get rid of that ball quickly or else he's going to be looking at Watt (i stay paid) and Clowney all game.

- New offensive scheme, we'll see how long we can catch people off guard

- Same defensive scheme we'll just be a lot more aggressive this time around.

- Who's playing Safety?

- Name still racists regardless of what 71% of fans say. I don't understand why they poll? Because 71% of the people who follow football don't give a shit about Native Americans that's supposed to make the idea of keeping the name better? That shit is full of shit.

- Early thoughts?

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I'm certain of only a few possible outcomes for the Houston game
Sep 02nd 2014
1
Their QB is either Fitzpatrick or Mallett who will have been there
Sep 02nd 2014
2
      yeah, i think our D will look good week 1
Sep 02nd 2014
4
Yay! We'll be the subject of Outside the lines Tonight (9/2)
Sep 02nd 2014
3
name gonna change within 12 months
Sep 02nd 2014
5
I'm thinking more like 4 or 5 years, When its time for the new Stadium
Sep 02nd 2014
7
Goodell is going to force it.
Sep 02nd 2014
9
      I could see it coming to a vote by the other owners
Sep 03rd 2014
10
      Won't be within 12 months. I think the stadium issue will force it.
Sep 03rd 2014
12
bet money on that?
Sep 10th 2014
38
I watched it, and uh......Amanda Blackhorse? jyeah.
Sep 03rd 2014
13
Bob's going to struggle.
Sep 02nd 2014
6
I feel you but its not realistic to think Griff won't have huge expectat...
Sep 02nd 2014
8
I thought it was crazy to think he wouldn't struggle last year
Sep 03rd 2014
11
On Bob's possible upcoming struggle. (Boswell)
Sep 03rd 2014
14
      One look at Bob and Kirk's #'s make the "debate" stupid
Sep 03rd 2014
15
      Also add to this, the fact of the cap penalties...
Sep 03rd 2014
16
      Exactly. Critics want it both ways.
Sep 03rd 2014
17
      This is some good shit.
Sep 04th 2014
18
Record Predictions - 7-9 if things are great, 5-11 more realistic
Sep 04th 2014
19
8-10 wins.
Sep 04th 2014
20
yeah .500, +/- 1 game
Sep 04th 2014
21
Ceiling: 10-6 / Floor: 4-12
Sep 05th 2014
23
      I agree with this, but think 7-9 is the most likely.
Sep 05th 2014
25
Im glad to see some good sense up and through here.
Sep 05th 2014
22
20-12, Texans. ftr: I'll be @ the bar Louie in Chinatown. all game. clow...
Sep 05th 2014
24
Only thing I am worried about is defense.
Sep 05th 2014
26
Bob not gonna last this season.
Sep 07th 2014
27
my nigga fuck what you say ain't no more play in the H!!
Sep 07th 2014
28
Why wait?
Sep 07th 2014
29
until y'all do right by them people....
Sep 07th 2014
30
Pretty much.
Sep 08th 2014
32
Pierre Garçon, Desean Jackson, Alfred Morris = 6 points
Sep 07th 2014
31
Houston was playing soft coverage all game
Sep 08th 2014
33
      Yup. D.Jax is useless if your QB only has 2 seconds to throw
Sep 08th 2014
34
Week 1: Horrific showing by the OL and special teams
Sep 08th 2014
35
Bob, Dre Roberts, and the Defense were mostly positives tho
Sep 08th 2014
36
Week 1 @ Houston
Sep 09th 2014
37
i still think 8-8 is a possible floor.
Sep 10th 2014
39
Why does media take so much glee in RGIII's injuries/failures
Sep 16th 2014
40
the media loves him when he succeeds and when he fails
Sep 16th 2014
43
you're paranoid man
Sep 16th 2014
44
      Yeah, that makes sense
Sep 16th 2014
47
           the reaction to his play
Sep 16th 2014
48
Rambo waived to make room for Merriweather
Sep 16th 2014
41
Not surprised
Sep 16th 2014
42
Sucks....
Sep 16th 2014
46
Another gem from the Shanahan era
Sep 16th 2014
49
Amerson and Reed are the only guys left from the 2013 class.
Sep 16th 2014
68
Honestly it was the tackling
Sep 16th 2014
50
      well, he wasn't highly drafted: 6th round
Sep 16th 2014
57
           You right, I thought he was a 3rd rounder
Sep 16th 2014
64
                heh, kinda
Sep 16th 2014
67
week 2 thoughts
Sep 16th 2014
45
Yeah folks been kinda missing here in this thread.
Sep 16th 2014
51
I'm with you
Sep 16th 2014
58
been wondering how many yrs the team can be terrible
Sep 16th 2014
52
I think folks will be back on board as soon as the team name changes
Sep 16th 2014
54
Nats and Wizards are more successful
Sep 16th 2014
69
RE: week 2 thoughts
Sep 16th 2014
53
I will concede to Shady getting 100 yards if we hold them to 10 points.
Sep 16th 2014
55
delusional can be fun (on sundays)
Sep 16th 2014
59
      Doughty was good against the run
Sep 16th 2014
60
           Reed was underrated but i have more faith in Clark and Personal Foul
Sep 16th 2014
62
                lol, word
Sep 16th 2014
63
i dont think any of this ish lasted more than two games.
Nov 14th 2014
236
To bring it back to football: Jason Hatcher, goddamn.
Sep 16th 2014
56
Oh, and since nobody's mentioned him this week- Kerrigan!
Sep 16th 2014
61
Nosackpo sowackpo
Sep 16th 2014
65
lol. harsh.
Sep 16th 2014
66
I gotta go back and watch the game
Sep 17th 2014
70
Kerrigan has always been more "active" out there
Sep 18th 2014
71
      He can't cook, other than that he's a great chef??? Haha
Sep 18th 2014
72
           In fairness
Sep 18th 2014
73
           Things are going to be different this year
Sep 18th 2014
74
Week 3 @ Philly
Sep 23rd 2014
75
* * *
Sep 23rd 2014
76
I don't like the comparisons of KC to Tony Romo.
Sep 23rd 2014
77
      You're being way too hard on KC
Sep 23rd 2014
78
      Jason Campbell was never as accurate EVER
Sep 23rd 2014
79
      I said he has Jason Campbell's poise. Not his accuracy.
Sep 24th 2014
80
           JC didn't exactly have poise, either
Sep 24th 2014
82
                That is my point.
Sep 24th 2014
83
                     Cousins has shown more poise than JC ever did
Sep 24th 2014
84
                          Not to me......
Sep 24th 2014
85
      KC has poise and is making throws.
Sep 24th 2014
81
           Another thing we have to keep an eye on
Sep 25th 2014
86
                Yeah, and specifically facing blitzing and pressure.
Sep 25th 2014
88
                     Exactly, the passes he missed are because he was rushing
Sep 25th 2014
89
KC is 1-4 as a starter. Let's all calm down.
Sep 25th 2014
87
I don't understand why ya'll listen to sports talk radio
Sep 25th 2014
90
it used to be better. right now, its terrible and competition hasnt help...
Sep 25th 2014
91
yup.
Sep 25th 2014
92
Beats most of the music on the radio.
Sep 25th 2014
93
I'd rather listen to old songs on my pod than shitty radio songs
Sep 25th 2014
96
Only listen to Kornheiser & LeBatard
Sep 26th 2014
98
I think he's proven he's starter material. What kind of starter is the q...
Sep 25th 2014
94
Yeah ive stopped listening except for Doc n bmitch.
Sep 25th 2014
95
Now that we got that shit fest of a game out the way lemme just say
Sep 26th 2014
97
Yes. But.
Sep 26th 2014
99
      This alone is reason enough
Sep 26th 2014
101
      We've had weak defensive rosters before
Sep 26th 2014
104
How many more years must I watch Tyler Polumbus play?
Sep 26th 2014
100
On the sack/fumble he got his hands chopped down and it was over
Sep 26th 2014
107
The TEAM is bad, as in poorly constructed...
Sep 26th 2014
102
Kirk and his reads
Sep 26th 2014
103
The GM still sucks
Sep 26th 2014
105
      isn't that how all teams do challenges?
Sep 26th 2014
108
           Yea but not the GM!!! They have a person who's sole job is to
Sep 26th 2014
113
           your ability to not find fault with the mgmt, ever, is notable.
Sep 26th 2014
114
Week 4 home against the Giants
Sep 26th 2014
106
and credit where it's due
Sep 26th 2014
109
Eli was hot, he got into a groove early and never looked back
Sep 26th 2014
111
      Good point about the blitzing....
Sep 26th 2014
116
Alf was averaging 5.2 ypc this game
Sep 26th 2014
110
Right, if we're leaning on First Round Talent Al
Sep 26th 2014
112
bad career.
Sep 26th 2014
115
4-20
Sep 28th 2014
117
I don't get the local media and what they want from this team
Oct 07th 2014
118
you need to stop listening to sports radio
Oct 07th 2014
119
I listen to hear Doc Walker and TK
Oct 07th 2014
120
Yup.
Oct 07th 2014
121
i got into a heated discussion
Oct 07th 2014
131
This defensive roster is ASSSSSSS.
Oct 07th 2014
122
You know what? They are undisciplined.
Oct 07th 2014
123
      They all are trying to make individual plays versus maintaining assignme...
Oct 07th 2014
125
      if your ceiling is 12-15 with good coaching
Oct 07th 2014
126
           Top half with bad talent is better than last with bad talent.
Oct 07th 2014
128
                I see the same thing you do.
Oct 07th 2014
130
The Fed/Ex turf needs to be addressed
Oct 07th 2014
124
is there a better example of what shitty owner Snyder is?
Oct 07th 2014
127
everytime I see R. Wilson
Oct 07th 2014
129
Well...
Oct 13th 2014
132
I'm dying at the calls this morning
Oct 13th 2014
133
Also, on the defense
Oct 13th 2014
134
      Nah dogg he sucks. He begs for the max deal but doesn't influence games.
Oct 13th 2014
137
      They do seem to hate that guy
Oct 13th 2014
138
      You gonna be waiting forever then
Oct 13th 2014
140
           RE: You gonna be waiting forever then
Oct 13th 2014
141
      Because he was a first round pick who wants big money
Oct 13th 2014
142
           He won't get it
Oct 13th 2014
144
Under.
Oct 13th 2014
135
      That's where I'm at
Oct 13th 2014
136
Everyone played like crap yesterday.
Oct 13th 2014
139
The o-line protection issues
Oct 13th 2014
143
Now that Kirk proved he's a mental midget
Oct 20th 2014
145
RE: Now that Kirk proved he's a
Oct 20th 2014
146
Homecoming vs the Titans
Oct 20th 2014
147
The OL is struggling
Oct 20th 2014
148
      The O line is terrible
Oct 20th 2014
149
           stretches worked last year
Oct 20th 2014
150
           When you don't take lineman in the first 2 rounds
Oct 20th 2014
151
           Yeah one lineman in the first two rounds since Jansen in '99
Oct 20th 2014
152
                Are ya'll serious?
Oct 21st 2014
154
                No it's not since 1999, it's since 2000 Chris Samuels
Oct 21st 2014
163
                     Forgot about Chris Samuels.
Oct 21st 2014
165
                You get what you deserve...
Oct 21st 2014
158
                     And it's not even like the other draft picks have worked
Oct 21st 2014
159
           Man I also cringe when Helu is out there.
Oct 21st 2014
155
                They showed his whiffs on Sunday
Oct 21st 2014
161
                     Very painful to watch.
Oct 21st 2014
166
                          Fred can't catch outta the backfield
Oct 21st 2014
168
                               Read on the Bleacher Report today......
Oct 23rd 2014
181
                                    I don't trust BR for shit but
Oct 23rd 2014
182
                                         I'm looking at his track record in Cincy
Oct 24th 2014
186
                                              Yeah but Cincy stuck with shitty mediocrity
Oct 24th 2014
188
                                                   So why would he be running out of Patience with Fred then?
Oct 24th 2014
189
I went to the Titans game, had great club level seats.
Oct 20th 2014
153
damn. I didn't know it was like that.
Oct 21st 2014
156
And absolutely nothing in the trenches and bad coaching......
Oct 21st 2014
157
They are an INCOMPLETE team, bottom line
Oct 21st 2014
160
I had a feeling it was like this
Oct 21st 2014
162
RGIII's athletic ability hid the o-line deficiencies
Oct 21st 2014
164
      we see it
Oct 21st 2014
167
           Finger Guns starting to get squarely pointed at Brucey now
Oct 21st 2014
169
                cats are going too hard on allen right now
Oct 22nd 2014
170
                     Allen's track record is pure mediocrity
Oct 22nd 2014
171
                          Do you know if we have all of our draft picks this year and next?
Oct 22nd 2014
172
                               I believe we do.
Oct 22nd 2014
173
                                    The midround draft picks is why i am waiting to blame Allen
Oct 22nd 2014
174
                                         He's already had one draft.
Oct 22nd 2014
175
                                              seems a bit impatient.
Oct 23rd 2014
176
                                                   yeah but who's the one picking the defense?
Oct 23rd 2014
179
                                                        I'll finally resign to the point of the defense having no talent.
Oct 23rd 2014
180
                                                             this is all i am saying.
Oct 23rd 2014
183
That HAD to be you on WJFK this morning right?
Oct 23rd 2014
177
      Haha that was me
Oct 23rd 2014
178
           and here y'all keep telling me not to tune in to talk radio.....
Oct 23rd 2014
184
                its terrible 75% of the time but i still listen for background noise
Oct 23rd 2014
185
                     That's absolutely worth its weight in gold
Oct 24th 2014
187
Colt McCoy is a G
Oct 27th 2014
190
class by the gallon. Best win since 2012.
Oct 27th 2014
191
Colt earned his stripes in the Washington Team legend.
Oct 28th 2014
192
That was a tuff bucket
Oct 28th 2014
193
ANY time you get a win against Dallas...
Oct 28th 2014
194
Can't be mad at a win......
Oct 28th 2014
195
I like that the corners are getting tick this year
Oct 28th 2014
196
Compton is awful? Really?
Oct 28th 2014
197
My overall take from the game I've been mulling over this week:
Oct 29th 2014
198
RE: My overall take from the game I've been mulling over this week:
Oct 29th 2014
200
      I love RG3. But he's no question a narcissist.
Oct 30th 2014
213
           RE: I love RG3. But he's no question a narcissist.
Oct 30th 2014
214
that's par for the course
Oct 29th 2014
199
Road Divisional Win @ Dallas
Oct 29th 2014
201
Line would be good if they cut Chester too.
Oct 29th 2014
205
      I watched him and Helu Ole on Monday
Oct 30th 2014
210
RG3 to start Sunday
Oct 29th 2014
202
if he's ready, he's ready
Oct 29th 2014
203
At this point they should be over cautious
Oct 29th 2014
204
      reports are
Oct 29th 2014
206
           He was cleared last year too
Oct 30th 2014
207
                yeah I get it, people are traumatized
Oct 30th 2014
208
                     I think that's the crux of the argument
Oct 30th 2014
209
                          it's a different staff tho
Oct 30th 2014
212
                               yep, gruden is the anti shanny
Oct 30th 2014
215
stop it
Oct 30th 2014
211
Dhall tore the same achilles again... out 6-9 additional months.
Oct 31st 2014
216
Breeland Island
Oct 31st 2014
217
      Yup.....
Oct 31st 2014
218
      hopefully breelands development accelerates hall's move to FS.
Oct 31st 2014
219
This team is such a clown show
Nov 04th 2014
220
I must say that I have been pretty lukewarm about Gruden myself.
Nov 04th 2014
221
      I think Gruden needs some time
Nov 04th 2014
222
           to defend Gruden's "jury's still out comment"...
Nov 04th 2014
223
           RG3 needs to string together a couple of wins
Nov 04th 2014
224
           RE: to defend Gruden's "jury's still out comment"...
Nov 04th 2014
225
           agree.
Nov 05th 2014
226
Bye Week Discussion
Nov 06th 2014
227
Will this team ever get a line that can pass protect?
Nov 06th 2014
228
      RE: Will this team ever get a line that can pass protect?
Nov 07th 2014
229
      the crazy blitz shit is the reason guys are runing 15 yards open
Nov 07th 2014
230
           I heard Cooley explain why the D was so bad at Minnesota
Nov 07th 2014
231
           lol yeah right
Nov 07th 2014
232
           Trying to make up for lack of a pass rush with 4
Nov 07th 2014
233
Chances that we shit the bed against Tampa this week?
Nov 14th 2014
234
50%
Nov 14th 2014
235
      I agree with this.
Nov 14th 2014
237
           But drafting lineman isn't sexy
Nov 14th 2014
238
Soooooooo......... We shat the bed
Nov 17th 2014
239
don't know but
Nov 17th 2014
240
Griff aside we're a bad organization
Nov 17th 2014
246
they are the Jaguars now. They are the Raiders.
Nov 17th 2014
241
You love the Shannies like that?
Nov 17th 2014
242
don't get it twisted - Griffin is far from their biggest problem.
Nov 17th 2014
244
i'm lost
Nov 17th 2014
243
he helped run them out. Fact Not the sole reason, but he helped.
Nov 17th 2014
245
      so, you think they could/should have stayed
Nov 17th 2014
247
           nah man, see my above post.
Nov 17th 2014
248
you've been that for years
Nov 17th 2014
249
      for real. Their delusion knows no bounds.
Nov 17th 2014
252
      said the Bucs fan?
Nov 17th 2014
254
      not in 2012
Nov 17th 2014
253
Young, why can't the Skins ever win at home?
Nov 17th 2014
255
      This is where I blame the Shanahans
Nov 17th 2014
257
      this is what i don't understand
Nov 17th 2014
258
This Organization is Broken
Nov 17th 2014
250
Roster sucks. Coaching sucks.
Nov 17th 2014
251
Your Avi is KILLING ME
Nov 17th 2014
256
      lol
Nov 17th 2014
261
Just an observation...
Nov 17th 2014
259
Gruden, report to the principal's office
Nov 17th 2014
260
someone ask Gruden why Jim Haslett is still employed
Nov 17th 2014
262
Yep and yep
Nov 17th 2014
265
people who deny griffs hubris just arent paying attention.
Nov 17th 2014
264
      I'm taking the Doc Walker and B-Mitch stance on this
Nov 17th 2014
268
           bob is in a unique situation and not succeeding in a specific area.
Nov 17th 2014
269
           Nah, he avoided admitting fault for awhile
Nov 18th 2014
275
Another observation (on Gruden)...
Nov 17th 2014
263
yup
Nov 17th 2014
266
Preach yo!
Nov 17th 2014
267
Keen Peepology
Nov 18th 2014
270
The offense has worked rather well without RG
Nov 18th 2014
276
Yurp!!!!
Nov 19th 2014
284
Jay Gruden troubled by RG3's ‘fundamental flaws’ (link + excerpt)
Nov 18th 2014
271
those quote are startling, but i am willing to trust him for now
Nov 18th 2014
272
I think Griff needed to hear all of this.
Nov 18th 2014
273
      yup
Nov 18th 2014
278
that's not really "throwing someone under the bus"
Nov 18th 2014
274
exactly
Nov 18th 2014
277
      the reporting has been pretty misleading too
Nov 18th 2014
279
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/18/jay-grud...
Nov 18th 2014
280
      Gah the dysfunction here is damning....
Nov 18th 2014
281
           I think this is part of the Gruden Learning Curve
Nov 19th 2014
282
3 Wins = Jaguars (1-9), Tenessee (2-8) and Dallas...
Nov 19th 2014
283
Cooley confirms Bob-haters doubts with actual facts (swipes)
Nov 19th 2014
285
Damn....Did the media dump this badly when Kirk played poorly?
Nov 19th 2014
286
the media infatuation with kirk was ridiculous but irrelevant.
Nov 19th 2014
289
RE: Damn....Did the media dump this badly when Kirk played poorly?
Nov 19th 2014
298
At this point Cooley is a shitty shock jock.
Nov 19th 2014
287
true. his show is terrible. But casserly said the same thing.
Nov 19th 2014
290
He had a shitty game.
Nov 19th 2014
291
      ^This
Nov 19th 2014
296
he's ON when he's talking X's and O's.
Nov 19th 2014
292
      yep.
Nov 19th 2014
293
      his comments above do not really show that.
Nov 19th 2014
294
           what am i missing?
Nov 19th 2014
295
                Kinda
Nov 19th 2014
300
Yeah, listening to the audio is even worse than the article (Cooley)
Nov 19th 2014
288
      Liz Clark deaded the press conference stuff yesterday on the TK Show
Nov 19th 2014
297
      all coded terms for lazy black qb
Nov 23rd 2014
319
Bomani Jones is going ALL IN right now!!!!
Nov 19th 2014
299
what did he say?
Nov 19th 2014
301
Lank, discussion starts at the 9:20 mark
Nov 20th 2014
305
      lol. he gave them the business. And was 100% right.
Nov 21st 2014
309
meh, bomani was doing his slick shit
Nov 24th 2014
323
i trust donovan mcnabb's opinion (link)
Nov 20th 2014
302
"i trust donovan mcnabb's opinion"
Nov 20th 2014
303
do you have anything to add?
Nov 20th 2014
304
isn't you... aren't you the head coach © McNabb
Nov 20th 2014
306
I truly loathe Donovan McNabb
Nov 20th 2014
307
Chances that we upset the Niners this week?
Nov 21st 2014
308
i know i'm crazy
Nov 21st 2014
310
If Colt was playing maybe but nah
Nov 21st 2014
311
20%
Nov 21st 2014
312
Maybe Jay Gruden should shut up too
Nov 22nd 2014
313
With comments that damning, I think he has a desire outcome in mind:
Nov 22nd 2014
314
Is Griff really not that popular with his teammates?
Nov 22nd 2014
315
you can be well liked and struggle at your job.
Nov 24th 2014
325
      That is not my point though
Nov 24th 2014
331
           does Bob have to be a cancer for gruden to have spoken out?
Nov 24th 2014
334
Told my boy this yesterday
Nov 23rd 2014
317
i keep hearing this from but, where is the proof?
Nov 23rd 2014
318
      it's nonsense
Nov 24th 2014
320
everything Gruden has said since the TB loss
Nov 22nd 2014
316
holy shit this team sucks.
Nov 24th 2014
321
I hope they don't resign RGIII
Nov 24th 2014
324
      How people can follow this team and...
Nov 24th 2014
326
      boom
Nov 24th 2014
327
      You know what is crazy
Nov 24th 2014
330
      Toxic is a perfect term and here is why I knew Gruden would fail
Nov 24th 2014
329
           lol
Nov 25th 2014
351
                Reported by the Skins beat reporter
Nov 25th 2014
359
                     oh, so the Skins beat reporter
Nov 26th 2014
363
      yep
Nov 24th 2014
328
*signs up for the RG3 reclamation project*
Nov 24th 2014
322
Why do y'all refuse to believe he blows tho
Nov 24th 2014
332
This actually is correct.
Nov 24th 2014
333
Because it's too early to throw in the towel
Nov 24th 2014
335
Because he only has 33 starts
Nov 25th 2014
339
      People are so willing to gloss over this and the fact he's been succesfu...
Nov 25th 2014
341
           I get that dude. But something is very clearly NOT right.
Nov 25th 2014
344
           and you've decided it never will be right and you want to move on
Nov 25th 2014
345
           it happens more often than you think
Nov 25th 2014
352
                And how many of them are any good?
Nov 25th 2014
355
A solid RATIONAL article about rebuilding the O-Line
Nov 24th 2014
336
If the over/under on skins wins is one what is your bet?
Nov 25th 2014
337
November Draft Talk
Nov 25th 2014
338
You can't give up Bob unless you have another good plan for QB
Nov 25th 2014
340
You can draft or sign all the QBs you want
Nov 25th 2014
342
Yea tha's the problem
Nov 25th 2014
343
      and the defense is terrible
Nov 25th 2014
346
      This years offense in atlanta is a good example.
Nov 25th 2014
348
i assume that he is gone regardless of what is right.
Nov 25th 2014
349
we'll know at the end of the season
Nov 25th 2014
353
So one thing that might come up later with Gruden
Nov 25th 2014
347
i def would have prefered a DC for head coach.
Nov 25th 2014
350
two things
Nov 25th 2014
354
Robert Griffin is not good says Greg Cosell
Nov 25th 2014
356
blah blah blah
Nov 25th 2014
357
Here is the thing.
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      Kirk's problem was INTs
Nov 26th 2014
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           So he lost pretty BFD
Nov 26th 2014
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                WRs tend to not be as angry
Nov 26th 2014
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Just reported RGIII benched, McCoy to start
Nov 25th 2014
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If this team just drowned in the ocean then whatever. Terps won btw.
Nov 25th 2014
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Colt McCoy to get the start at Indy
Nov 25th 2014
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Colt will inevitably lose
Nov 26th 2014
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      OF COURSE HE WILL!!!!
Nov 26th 2014
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this fucking team
Nov 26th 2014
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IMO you cannot go back to RGIII after this
Nov 26th 2014
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rgiii needs to get the fuck outta dodge
Nov 26th 2014
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      Just like they did Cousins
Nov 26th 2014
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           how is it the organizations fault?
Nov 26th 2014
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                Kurt is 100% on the organization
Nov 26th 2014
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                his value was never as high as fans thought or he woulda been traded.
Nov 26th 2014
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                     Maybe you could say this if RGIII wasn't injury prone. But I don't see
Nov 26th 2014
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                          i agree which is why i dont think they diminished his value.
Nov 26th 2014
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                how about clearing out the coaching staff
Nov 26th 2014
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                Allen drafted two lineman and signed a 3rd.
Nov 26th 2014
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                     Two mid round picks and a free agent who sucked before he got here.
Nov 26th 2014
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                          he used the picks that he had.
Nov 26th 2014
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                               Moses is not 2nd round talent though
Nov 26th 2014
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                I don't think Gruden played to these guys strengths...at all....
Nov 26th 2014
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Bob has sucked but if he gets traded this offseason, he wins.
Nov 26th 2014
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Go read Jason Reid's Twitter timeline today.
Nov 26th 2014
383
Anyone noticing all the articles like Bob being gone is assured???
Nov 26th 2014
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I actually think the team is trying (and failing)
Nov 26th 2014
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I'd like an explanation of the following
Nov 26th 2014
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HA! Them dudes got hella time to work it out.
Nov 26th 2014
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<---- Coming through with that REAL RAP
Nov 26th 2014
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Bradford and Stafford are kind of good dude.
Nov 26th 2014
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      and neither has had a year like RG3's rookie year
Nov 27th 2014
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           This team is
Nov 27th 2014
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           You are correct!
Nov 28th 2014
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2nd Q update: Colt sucks, too
Nov 30th 2014
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Want to know the sad thing
Nov 30th 2014
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      Scary.
Nov 30th 2014
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This thread is full of WTF
Nov 30th 2014
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This proves you don't know what you're talking about
Dec 01st 2014
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RE: This proves you don't know what you're talking about
Dec 01st 2014
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And they signed Jackson after they signed Roberts
Dec 01st 2014
405
The defense has actually gotten much worse since 2012
Dec 01st 2014
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you think at 33 games this is the most he will progress. ever.
Dec 01st 2014
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      Don't worry I still hear people saying Cousins has the biggest upside
Dec 01st 2014
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           LOLZ
Dec 01st 2014
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                That one brought to you by Kevin Sheehan
Dec 01st 2014
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                     that guy is an idiot
Dec 01st 2014
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Gruden is Tommy Boy
Dec 01st 2014
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It was a panic decision
Dec 01st 2014
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      Colt put up good numbers down by 18 points
Dec 01st 2014
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           Garbage numbers, the best drive was the one to start
Dec 01st 2014
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Asked about the defensive performance vs. the Colts...
Dec 01st 2014
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I understand where you're coming from
Dec 02nd 2014
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      Yeah, I was just venting after the fact...
Dec 03rd 2014
417
           Its the epitome of the good ole boy network
Dec 03rd 2014
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So not only is Griff gone next year
Dec 03rd 2014
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I have no clue what the McCoy logic was
Dec 03rd 2014
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      Funny how Garcon was mad at RGIII last year on his way to 100+ reception...
Dec 03rd 2014
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           I love Pierre's Passion
Dec 03rd 2014
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                Pierre is good
Dec 04th 2014
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Why the need for character assassination?
Dec 04th 2014
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picking Tommy Boy over Bob seems incredibly stupid to me
Dec 04th 2014
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Just bad management, you can't trade a guy when you do this
Dec 04th 2014
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Not even a remotely close comparison. Gruden is actually calling out RGI...
Dec 11th 2014
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gruden is taking a huge risk
Dec 04th 2014
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So Robert being a project and wanting to build on his brand are what's h...
Dec 04th 2014
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cuz robert is full of himself and lost the faith of two head coaches
Dec 05th 2014
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      Name me ONE QB in the league that's not "full of himself"
Dec 05th 2014
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      bob is on another level.
Dec 05th 2014
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      I agree
Dec 05th 2014
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Jeff Fisher adds his perspective on the RGIII situation
Dec 05th 2014
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Holy shit this organization is delusional!
Dec 07th 2014
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Morning surprises me at this point.
Dec 07th 2014
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yeah, that's because he wants out
Dec 07th 2014
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      Yup. Graduated from the Shanahan school of sabotage.
Dec 07th 2014
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????
Dec 08th 2014
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      I assume Trent Williams but I don't know the other
Dec 08th 2014
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           There is no other lineman
Dec 08th 2014
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@ Home vs Rams
Dec 07th 2014
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"Rock Bottom" changes with every passing week
Dec 07th 2014
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This may not be the bottom
Dec 08th 2014
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Home tickets sold for $3 today.
Dec 07th 2014
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      Should've had one from the jump
Dec 08th 2014
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      You know Eagles and Cowboys will be "road games" for *skins
Dec 08th 2014
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           Oh especially at the LOW LOW pricing they have now
Dec 08th 2014
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looked like mccoy was coppin pleas near the end
Dec 07th 2014
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London destroying Haslett
Dec 07th 2014
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that was just awkward and mean and out of left field
Dec 08th 2014
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Can't wait to hear Cooley THIS week, huh?
Dec 07th 2014
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lol I was thinking the same thing about Cooley
Dec 08th 2014
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      No, Cooley is not going to
Dec 08th 2014
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           what an ass.
Dec 08th 2014
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           Moving the goalposts.
Dec 08th 2014
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           Wow! What. The. Fuck!
Dec 08th 2014
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The team quit today. Yup. They quit.
Dec 07th 2014
439
It was bad
Dec 08th 2014
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      They need to hire Portis
Dec 08th 2014
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           Helu is bad at recognizing bliztes and I just don't think he tries
Dec 08th 2014
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                Bad thing is, Helu says he has improved his blocking
Dec 08th 2014
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lol Haslett
Dec 07th 2014
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lol Bruce Allen
Dec 07th 2014
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      lol Tommy Boy
Dec 07th 2014
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           lol Colt McCoy
Dec 07th 2014
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                lol offensive line
Dec 07th 2014
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                     but most of all, lol Snyder
Dec 07th 2014
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Early indications are Cousins starts next week
Dec 07th 2014
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Good for him. He can get his confidence blown to smithereens now.
Dec 07th 2014
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LOL! The continuation of the first Giants game...
Dec 07th 2014
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it's Colt, if healthy
Dec 11th 2014
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Gruden looks like a beaten man, like he doesn't want to be there...
Dec 08th 2014
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it's The Look of Zorn
Dec 08th 2014
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More proof this team is a dumpster fire
Dec 10th 2014
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That's just a season's worth of frustration all coming out at one time
Dec 10th 2014
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not to mention
Dec 10th 2014
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      hey now
Dec 10th 2014
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You heard about Gruden possibly talking to Michigan for its coaching job...
Dec 11th 2014
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      You don't leave 20 million on the table
Dec 11th 2014
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           So we stuck with Gruden huh?
Dec 11th 2014
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           I would take $15-20M/5yrs to leave ashburn
Dec 11th 2014
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           Big brother Jon went on ESPN this morning to defend his brother
Dec 11th 2014
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                not a single word of criticism for his brother.
Dec 11th 2014
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                     he did say jay would have to look for another job at some point.
Dec 12th 2014
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if thought punting to yourself was bad, RGIII has gone even lower
Dec 11th 2014
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EPIC L for this bum ass Racist beat writer (swipe)
Dec 11th 2014
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So did you come to talk about OUR team or just to stunt?
Dec 12th 2014
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so is the franchise really going to choose Tommy Boy
Dec 12th 2014
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Who said that?
Dec 12th 2014
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      Everyone is saying that dude will be back
Dec 12th 2014
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           Plus
Dec 12th 2014
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Looks like the organization has neutered Sonny Jurgensen
Dec 14th 2014
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So RG3 finally has a good game with guess what?
Dec 15th 2014
491
Gruden is an asshole
Dec 15th 2014
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      You heard about Baccari Rambo having 2 INTS yesterday against
Dec 15th 2014
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      And he has a spot on a really good D. Says a lot about our coaching
Dec 15th 2014
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      Gruden, Haslett, and Allen are all bad at their jobs. Period.
Dec 15th 2014
494
      I about wrecked my car this morning
Dec 15th 2014
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      And more proof to your point
Dec 15th 2014
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           of all of the ways Jim Haslett is terrible
Dec 15th 2014
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                These dudes ain't even on the same page half the time
Dec 15th 2014
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                     You mean like
Dec 15th 2014
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                          Yeah if you scared of getting burned in the endzone
Dec 15th 2014
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      RGIII's starting v. Philly
Dec 16th 2014
522
Tommy Boy, ladies and gentlemen.
Dec 15th 2014
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I just don't think he's up to the job at this point
Dec 15th 2014
501
      Somehow Gruden is Jim Zorn 2.0 but gets little blame....
Dec 15th 2014
503
      Doc Walker
Dec 15th 2014
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           I have to agree
Dec 15th 2014
506
           Oh, it's no secret that Gruden doesn't like Robert
Dec 15th 2014
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                Its painful to listen to, the double speak the never being overly
Dec 15th 2014
509
           that's not a stretch, at all.
Dec 15th 2014
507
                i'm not sure there's anyway he thinks he's saving his job
Dec 15th 2014
510
                     I don't know how he convinced Snyder to let him bench Bob
Dec 15th 2014
514
                          I have no clue because when shit was catered to his ability
Dec 15th 2014
515
What's Cooley's angle all of a sudden?
Dec 15th 2014
511
wow.
Dec 15th 2014
512
he's a meathead shock jock
Dec 15th 2014
513
I'm not really sure why people give much credence to what dude says
Dec 15th 2014
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      That article is very depressing.... (link)
Dec 15th 2014
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           Let's face it
Dec 15th 2014
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           I have on very good faith from inside the club that RG isn't liked.
Dec 15th 2014
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                I mean that was clear when they scored a TD he didn't high 5
Dec 16th 2014
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                lol. gtfo
Dec 16th 2014
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                     Dog no ill will is one thing, but when the press detail
Dec 16th 2014
524
                          maybe
Dec 16th 2014
525
Gif Found
Dec 16th 2014
521
fucking tommy boy.
Dec 16th 2014
526
Don't you love it
Dec 16th 2014
527
      What is Tommy Boy's angle?
Dec 16th 2014
528
           He wouldn't be the first to steal from Snyder
Dec 16th 2014
529
Carl Banks joins the RG3 firing squad
Dec 16th 2014
530
people who say he is one read aren't being honest
Dec 16th 2014
531
these ex players man
Dec 17th 2014
532
this article was needed
Dec 17th 2014
533
its terrible how the local media is acting. gruden needs to stop talking
Dec 17th 2014
534
      The problem is Gruden just keeps talking
Dec 17th 2014
535
           sad thing is there are other legit teams in the area to report on
Dec 18th 2014
536
Man, the media sure does keep moving the goalpost on RGIII
Dec 22nd 2014
537
Maaaan. Snider wrote that RGIII is secured as the 2015 starter
Dec 22nd 2014
538
stop listening to sports radio
Dec 22nd 2014
539
Doc Walker and B-Mitch are must listens during the season
Dec 22nd 2014
540
The bar has been set lower for RG3 than almost any QB in the leage
Dec 22nd 2014
541
      like Gruden says
Dec 22nd 2014
542
      RE: like Gruden says
Dec 28th 2014
550
      oh, you're back?
Dec 23rd 2014
543
      Couple things here
Dec 23rd 2014
545
      Kirk is 1-9 as a starter.
Dec 23rd 2014
546
           Any &quot;give him a chance to grow&quot; argument applies more strongly
Dec 28th 2014
551
                RG3 does....
Dec 28th 2014
552
                     Don't understand why people act like 2012 never happened
Dec 29th 2014
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                          Or an abysmal offensive line
Dec 30th 2014
562
I don't ever want to see Colt McCoy ever, ever again.
Dec 23rd 2014
544
He has no arm strength
Dec 26th 2014
547
      He should try to become an OC
Dec 26th 2014
548
Has Haslett been fired yet?
Dec 28th 2014
549
He really should be though.
Dec 28th 2014
553
      He takes bad players and makes them awful.
Dec 29th 2014
555
           Historically the top 5 worst five years ever for an NFL team.
Dec 30th 2014
560
Kirk Cousins to Washington: Trade me if RG3 is named the starter (swipe)
Dec 29th 2014
556
I just want to know why the local media slobbers all over Cousins
Dec 29th 2014
557
Grant him his wish
Dec 29th 2014
558
He should go to another team and develop.
Dec 30th 2014
559
LOL, you all alone in these streets, Cousins!!!!
Dec 30th 2014
561
He had two chances, they were trying to give him the job
Dec 30th 2014
563
RE: LOL, you all alone in these streets, Cousins!!!!
Dec 31st 2014
566
Watch Buffalo sign him now that Legend Killer is retired
Dec 31st 2014
565
Haslett is gone! HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Dec 31st 2014
564
And the first domino falls.....
Dec 31st 2014
568
I dunno why? Its all BS to me....
Dec 31st 2014
569
lol Bruce Allen 4ever
Dec 31st 2014
567

Tiger Woods
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1. "I'm certain of only a few possible outcomes for the Houston game"
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We win and all parties look mostly good (less likely)

or

We lose and not only fail to win but look especially poor in the process (more probable)

  

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2. "Their QB is either Fitzpatrick or Mallett who will have been there"
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A week, so if our D looks bad against them, then we're in trouble.

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4. "yeah, i think our D will look good week 1"
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offensively, the skins might struggle, but keeping fitzpatrick off the board should be doable.

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3. "Yay! We'll be the subject of Outside the lines Tonight (9/2)"
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OTL: Washington's Nickname: An NFL Dilemma, tonight (9/2) at 8PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/index

Perfect timing for the beginning of the season.

No distractions from this, riiight! Way to go Danny boy...

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5. "name gonna change within 12 months"
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I'm moving up my time period.

  

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7. "I'm thinking more like 4 or 5 years, When its time for the new Stadium"
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DC won't let him back in until that name changes, and I think at somepoint the heat is going to be too much.

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9. "Goodell is going to force it."
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It's a continuous black eye for the league and Goodell will just want the issue dealt with, even if he doesn't think it's racist.

  

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10. "I could see it coming to a vote by the other owners"
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But I don't think it'll happen within the next year. It'll happen, i'd just be really surprised to see it happen fast.

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12. "Won't be within 12 months. I think the stadium issue will force it."
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It certainly won't come before the outcome of the appeal of the patent and trademark ruling.

If they can't enforce the trademark anymore, that'll be a big step.
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38. "bet money on that?"
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it ain't happening within a year

  

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13. "I watched it, and uh......Amanda Blackhorse? jyeah. "
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6. "Bob's going to struggle."
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And in the long term that's a good thing. If he can take his natural abilities and movement/agility and combine that with quicker decisions and less running, he could reach his all-world potential.

I just hope the team ignores the chorus of haters who are going to get louder and louder as the season goes on, especially after he got handed all these weapons in the pass game.

As far as I'm concerned, there should be next to no expectations on Bob, other than to show growth as the season goes on.

I expect the run game to still be good. I expect the OL to have big flaws, and I'd love to see one or both of the rookie OL starting by mid-season.

Honestly the biggest question on offense is Jay Gruden.

  

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8. "I feel you but its not realistic to think Griff won't have huge expectat..."
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He's already won the rookie of year award, taken the team to the playoffs, there's no way prognosticators will all of a sudden lower their expectations regardless of how much truth there behind what you're saying

Also I think people want to see him fail so of course they're going to set the bar high to see him come in under it.

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11. "I thought it was crazy to think he wouldn't struggle last year"
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And I think it's even crazier to think he won't struggle again this year. I just hope it doesn't happen or is minimal. I think the Cousins thing could spread like a cancer in the locker room and that's something we don't need.

I guess I find it mind boggling that Cousins as the #1 is still even in play after we saw how her performs as the starter. Oh well.

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14. "On Bob's possible upcoming struggle. (Boswell)"
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This is a great perspective from Tom Boswell on RG3's development. I wholeheartedly agree with this...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/09/02/thomas-boswell-to-concerned-redskins-fans-stop-hating-on-rgiii/

This is a “nonsense” discussion according to Boswell, who asks for Washington fans to “just chill” and to “get over the hating.”

Boswell’s full response:

I just shake my head at this nonsense.

Twenty months ago, this guy was even money to be the greatest Skins player in 50 years. He really did have an historic season, as a recent Fancy Stats post of ours pointed out.

Just chill. (Yes, I know this is impossible for DC.) This year — the ENTIRE YEAR, all 16 games, no matter what — are about RGIII learning to play QB in the NFL with more emphasis (but not exclusive emphasis) on pocket-passing and defense reading.

Then all of NEXT YEAR will be about…The Same Thing.

Get over the hating, folks.

And Kirk Cousins isn’t close to being the answer. These men have actually played in the NFL. We aren’t projecting college players. Cousins has throw 203 passes. His career QB rating is 68.6 (bad). Last year it was 58.4. His AverageNetYards/Attempt — the “OPS of the NFL — is 4.60. (That includes the influence of sacks as well as all the other stuff.)

RGIII’s “awful” ’13 was better than Cousins career numbers: 60.1% completions, 16-12 TD-to-INT ratio (Cousins is 8-10 career), and a 82.2 QB rating with a (poor) 5.48 ANY/A.

Sorry to introduce facts into the discussion.

The Skins offense wasn’t the main reason they were 3-13 last year. It was the worst-in-50-years defense and the worst-in-the-history-of-mankind special teams. The offense was mediocre. Griffin, with a coach who hated him, was an average NFL QB.

This is a case of The Critics Have No Clothes. Griffin will eventually be a good or very good NFL QB. Great? Don’t know. Maybe not. That may bed the true ‘bad news.” But he will be the starting QB in Washington in 2020 (if he can stand upright). QB’s who have great seasons as good as ’12 and bad seasons as decent as ’13 Never Go Away in the NFL.

Look at the history of the NFL and every QB who ever had even one wonderful year. (I have.) They are still starting in their 30′s and usually into their mid-30′s. How many have injuries that essentially end their careers before 30? Almost none.

Just relax and hope that Griffin improves this year as the Skins go 5-11 or 6-10. And then that he improves again next year as the Skins get a little better.

This is called Rebuilding. Of course, the Skins will deny that such a thing could ever happen to them. (The fact that they deny they are rebuilding is one reason that they can never actually DO it.) Be glad that their “project” quarterback is WORTH the trouble of being a project.

Cousins may be a nice backup. Good for him. Maybe he will develop into a decent NFL starter somewhere someday. It’s even conceivable that he will be Trent Green someday — a heck of an accomplishment. But more likely Gus Frerotte.

Just for the sake of realism, go through the Skins schedule. Assume that they are 12 touchdowns better than last year. That’s more than 80 points better over 16 games. Then use the ’13 strength-of-teams metric at Pro Football Reference is see what the “lines” on every game would be this year. Add 5 points for the Skins to each of their ’14 games. What would their record be?

4-12.

Okay, now assume they are seven points a game better this year — or 112 points for a season — an heroic assumption.
Then they are 8-8.

This is hopelessly broad brush. But at least it’s sanity-based.

If you like the Skins, don’t say destructive things about them like “no reason they can’t win 10 games this year.”

In January I wrote a column about this after Gruden was hired. Quoting myself (ugh):

“What are the chances that, two years from now, Snyder will stare at a Spurrier- or Zorn-like record and have to decide whether to stand fast? The facts, please. All NFL teams that ever had Washington’s record last season — 3-13 — averaged a 13-19 record over the next two years. A lot like the 12-20 two-year records of Spurrier and Zorn and the 20-44 four-year record of Shanahan.

There were cheerful exceptions. Indy once flipped from 3-13 to 23-9 behind Peyton Manning. Allen and Gruden could be a magical combination. But in NFL history only one team in six that goes 3-13 has a winning record the next couple of years. All hands, lash to the mast.”

I actually think they have looked better in the exhibition season — on defense, special teams and general organization and structure — than I expected. I’m optimistic. Which means 5-6-or-7 wins. If a lot goes right. With the wrong injuries…don’t even think about it.



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15. "One look at Bob and Kirk's #'s make the "debate" stupid"
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Kirk might one day be good.

Bob might one day be great.

So far, Bob has better stats than Kirk as would be expected.

The only glaring issue with Bob's development is the injury and lack of self-protection. He is not dumb tho. He'll grow out of that.

Everything boz said was on point.

  

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16. "Also add to this, the fact of the cap penalties..."
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...the team had to suffer through for the first two years of his career. RG3 should get credit for raising up the team in his rookie year, but getting a MAJOR injury at the end of the season coupled with the cap penalties which were the real cause for the historically bad defense and special teams,and ultimately the teams poor performance.

We knew were were going to have to make do without the future first-rounders, which would slow the teams ability to build around Bob, but that was the sacrifice to get your franchise guy.

But then they dropped the cap penalty bombshell... and last year is what you get.

So , yeah, I think lowering expectations a bit, while the team goes through a proper rebuild is definitely in order. New, unproven coach and all. Let's not forget about that!

But, ultimately, you would LOVE to see this thing come together sooner rather than later and with the talent they have so far it could be fun to watch!


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17. "Exactly. Critics want it both ways."
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They want him to learn to be a pocket QB, and they also don't want him to struggle or falter or do anything below what he did his rookie year.

You can't have both, dickheads.

  

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18. "This is some good shit. "
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I rock heavy with this.

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19. "Record Predictions - 7-9 if things are great, 5-11 more realistic"
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I can be patient if the team is getting better as we go along. its strange to say it but I think we have Desean for another 2 years, so within that frame we should be able to build something and have him help us bridge this time until Griff is ready and then he can utilize what we have. If Djax is still on the team great, but i'm not about keeping someone to the detriment of the squad.

Lets rebuild!

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20. "8-10 wins."
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there still isnt a lot of depth, so any key injuries lower the range to 6-8 wins.

this team reminds me of the colts before and after peyton left. before mannings injury they were 10-6 and first in the division. they won 2 games the next year when curtis painter or some other donk was the qb. the following year, luck "carried" them to a 11-5 record - on the strength the same 10-6 team that peyton lead previously.

likewise, this is a better version of the skins team that made the playoffs two years ago. there was a down year due to the cap hit/lack of depth, terrible special teams, and horrible defense, but this same team is primed to be decent again. Bob doesnt have to be great for the team to win 9 games, the team as a whole just needs to improve over two years ago and its clear that the pass rush, special teams and WR corp are ready to elevate their play with an already great running game in place.

(Not so) Quietly, London Fletcher was terrible in pass coverage towards the end and Robinson could really be a key upgrade if he is ready this year.

  

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21. "yeah .500, +/- 1 game"
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with luck, playoffs, with bad luck (or gruden sucks) last place.

  

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23. "Ceiling: 10-6 / Floor: 4-12"
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4-12 may be an exaggeration, simply because we play some really bad quarterbacks this year and I think this defense is going to be better.

And 10-6 is a pragmatic best case scenario outlook if Griffin returns to old form early enough in the season.

I hate saying 8-8 it's just so unsexy. But that's what I think it is, 8-8.

  

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25. "I agree with this, but think 7-9 is the most likely. "
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22. "Im glad to see some good sense up and through here."
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Id hate to not be able to look in here and talk about the team. Between 980, 106.7, and facebook groups, I wanna question my fandom.

I wanna feel the same confidence in 3stacks I used to feel in 2012, but all the mess and I guess last year, makes me gun shy. I have no idea what to expect, I just hope he and the team don't completely slum out.

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24. "20-12, Texans. ftr: I'll be @ the bar Louie in Chinatown. all game. clow..."
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Either in the warren moon or earl Campbell jersey.

Holla


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26. "Only thing I am worried about is defense."
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Whether RGIII improves or not is not my main priority. Some new cast members on that side of the ball and while he has been shaky he is not incompetent so I will not worry too much.

Defense however, I would like for us to be in the top 15 this year but still having Haslett around concerns me. I don't care if Shanny was calling the shots, no excuse for that historically bad defense. I want him gone. Defense should be the main concern this season as this team needs a drastic improvement. Top 15 defense or that man should be gone.

  

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27. "Bob not gonna last this season. "
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He needs pass protection badly. He might wanna put being a pocket QB on the back burner for now.

  

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28. "my nigga fuck what you say ain't no more play in the H!!"
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Ohhh...feels good.

Real good.

I'm looking fwd to rgknee getting eviscerated on 1067 tomorrow


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29. "Why wait?"
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Should have tuned into the post game on 980. It's disgusting.
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30. "until y'all do right by them people...."
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32. "Pretty much. "
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This is worse than the curse o Lez Boulez.

  

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31. "Pierre Garçon, Desean Jackson, Alfred Morris = 6 points"
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Was it the gameplan or bad field vision that hindered the vertical passing attack?

Brutal special teams

All around just sloppy and unfocused.


I hate this team.

  

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33. "Houston was playing soft coverage all game"
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They didn't want to give up the big play but were content on giving up the underneath stuff.

Also, it was pretty evident that any play that took some time to develop wasn't going to be successful because the line couldn't block Watt.

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34. "Yup. D.Jax is useless if your QB only has 2 seconds to throw"
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35. "Week 1: Horrific showing by the OL and special teams"
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Watt's gonna beast, but if the rest of the defense is going to play in the backfield also then the excuse doesn't hold up.

You can't run any kind of offense when a defense doesn't have to defend beyond 10 yards (due to the fact that the QB will be sacked within 2 seconds).

Chris Chester spent more time in Bob's grill than Subway sandwiches.

And the special teams.... I can't even....

  

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36. "Bob, Dre Roberts, and the Defense were mostly positives tho"
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You are supposed to hold an offense like houston's down and they did. Bacarri Rambo is the only safety in the NFL that can make you miss reed doughty. neither are guys that should never start, but rambo has made an art out of being incompetent.

Bob was making good decisions and taking what the defense gave him. his sliding was improved. His passes were pretty accurate and except for the fumble i'd say he had a strong game "given the seconds" so to speak.

Roberts appears to be a legitimate special teams threat.

If any RB wants more minutes on this team, the easy path is learning to block better than Helu. Especially if the line is gonna keep us in 3rd and long frequently and morris isnt the 3rd down back. Paulson is gonna have to play more with the reed injury and the terribleness of the line.

The loss was disappointing, but there were enough positives to keep me from being too discouraged.

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37. "Week 1 @ Houston"
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- Offensively they mixed things up and took what the Texans gave them. They stuck to run plays early and underneath passes because that's what the Texans gave them. Gruden didn't call a bad game, it just got away from him when things weren't within his playcalling sheet.

- Griff wasn't bad, just didn't have a ton of time and wasn't a world beater. There was one sack that was his fault because he got happy feet in the pocket and broke contain only to run right into JJ. The pocket was there, he needed to be a bit more patient. His sideline pass rolling to his right was outstanding. He saw him late and he didn't get his shoulders square to the line so the ball floated a bit, but it was a great play and one I hope to see more from. I can't believe they called that outta bounds. All in all I wasn't upset with him.

- Defensively I was impressed with Keenan Robinson, his speed in the middle is very apparent, that kid wanted an opportunity to play and he seems like he's going to seize it.

The front line was great when Hatcher and Barry Coefield were in, when they weren't no push. Baker does a good job against the run, but no upfront pressure. Orakpo and Kerrigan got split out with empty backfields so they had to be accountable for someone, so they couldn't rush. Great job of game planning by Houston.

Man Bacarri Rambo even the blown coverage WHAT THE FUCK WAS HIS TACKLE ATTEMPT!!! Dude what the fuck is he doing, that shit was disgraceful. Other than that I didn't really have a huge issue with the D. They did their job.

- Special teams, good gracious same things different year. Roy Helu spaced and never even put a hand on Blue. That's a terrible mistake that cost the team. Then the damn blocked EP. COME THE FUCK ON.

- The fumbles are inexcusable. Griff you've got to learn to live another play. Niles Paul shouldn't even be in there. He has to hold onto that ball. That's 48 yards for NOTHING. Speaking of..... Jordan Reed has got to stay on the field! This dude had a huge amount of the game plan for him and he can't even make it through the 1st half. COME THE FUCK ON. I don't know if he's not eating right, or if football just isn't for him. I'm not sure, but something has got to change.

- Coaching I wasn't upset. 7-9 might be slipping to 6-10 or 5-11.

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39. "i still think 8-8 is a possible floor."
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Dallas and the Giants looked terrible.

The players are talking like this is a must win. Gruden knows he needs to run more. i'm optimistic.

  

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40. "Why does media take so much glee in RGIII's injuries/failures"
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And I'm noticing it's not just the local media it's national as well. I don't get it. It's like dude had sex with their moms.

They're quick to point out his flaws and always want to point out what Cousins does "better."

Am I the only one that notices this? Is it so they can prove they're "all in" for Luck?

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43. "the media loves him when he succeeds and when he fails"
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imo, its not personal or agenda driven. he is just a dude with an enormous q score who either succeeds (heisman, 2012 ROY) or fails (season-threatening injuries) BIG.

The last guy to get this level of scrutiny is prolly Tebow and in both cases the players actively encouraged the attention.

  

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44. "you're paranoid man"
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that's why

  

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47. "Yeah, that makes sense"
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48. "the reaction to his play"
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has been concordant with the level of his play, only amplified both ways because his is a QB.

2011 - Beast
2012 - God
2013 - Mortal
2014 - Career in jeopardy

Is that incorrect?

  

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41. "Rambo waived to make room for Merriweather"
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I don't expect to see the kid back. Classic case of top college performer who just didn't get it in the pros.


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42. "Not surprised"
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46. "Sucks...."
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I thought he was getting it in the preseason. Guess he just sucks.

  

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49. "Another gem from the Shanahan era"
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68. "Amerson and Reed are the only guys left from the 2013 class."
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50. "Honestly it was the tackling "
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Constantly took horrible angles and allowed big plays. Regardless of how many times the other guys would try and cover for him he was always near the breakdown. So i'm not sure if he just didn't communicate or just didn't realize they were poorly aligned from the snap. I don't know, I just know that i'm sad to see another young, highly drafted kat not make it on our squad.

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57. "well, he wasn't highly drafted: 6th round"
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but yet another late round player who didn't develop.

mid & late round talent has been one of this team's biggest achilles heels. It's where good coaches & GMs separate from mediocre or bad ones.

  

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64. "You right, I thought he was a 3rd rounder"
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That makes me feel slightly better.

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67. "heh, kinda"
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45. "week 2 thoughts"
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i know tiger woods has a post about pro ball in general being less interesting, but it seems like there is an unusually high amount of indifference this year for this team.

WJFK talked about this last friday. there was very little pre-game energy on their local shows throughout the day. maybe losing 9 games in a row beats a fan base down, but its not like we aren't used to losing! playing the jags will suppress interest, but in the past folks would at least pick the jags to win and joke about how the skins are the team to play of you want to win your first game in awhile.

this year, its like no one cares either way.

Gruden has called two very good games. WRs are getting wide open. All the weapons are being used (DY with two tds!). Alf is makin it do what it do.

Rookies are contributing from day one - grant had a nice game. Silas Redd got busy - yeah the jags were tired and didnt care at that point, but Redd DID care. He's not a retread FA on his second contract. The bama is hungry and helu is gonna have to watch his back.

Haslett is leading the #1 defense in the NFL. don't care about the offenses we've played against. The defense is doing its job. Kerrigan is finna get paid. If baccari rambo wasnt terrible, the defense would have given up 6 points in two games.

The team has the depth to survive injuries and the backups - Baker for Cofield, Paul for Reed, Roberts for Jackson, Cousins for Bob all showed out.

Free agent signings are not just decent but in jason hatcher and andre roberts cases are balling the eff out.

I know the jags are terrible. But that was us in the past. Its not us this year. Against better teams, jay is gonna have to figure out what looks were confusing to Kirk last year and help him cut back on turnovers.

I dont see any reason why we can't beat philly on sunday. it will be interesting to see how the defense responds to its first true challenge.

  

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51. "Yeah folks been kinda missing here in this thread."
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We would at least be near 100 replies by now.

I am not gonna lie. I have seen maybe 2 full football games so far this season. I dunno what it is about this year that makes me kinda not care so much. I know one thing, between Ray Rice and the team name change, it kinda sucks to be a football fan of these area teams right now.

But on another note, while I am glad that Cousins is doing well, I see his absolute ceiling being Mark Brunell which is not bad. We shall see what tape these teams have on him.


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58. "I'm with you"
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combination of many factors have led this to be the most BLAH opening two weeks of any NFL season I can remember.

  

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52. "been wondering how many yrs the team can be terrible"
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before the undying love of the city and fans started to fade.

This franchise has been awful for the better part of 25 years, so their continued popularity is impressive.

But perhaps this is the beginning of the end of that.

  

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54. "I think folks will be back on board as soon as the team name changes"
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Maybe....

I find that this is part of my reason for my apathy.

  

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69. "Nats and Wizards are more successful"
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And have more buzz, for positive reasons. Plus it's much easier and cheaper to go to games. The endless coverage by our local sports media is propping this team up.

The futility + Snyder's general asshole ways have taken a toll.

  

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53. "RE: week 2 thoughts"
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>this year, its like no one cares either way.

I like that no one cares, most kats are so delusional and reactionary that they don't know shit about football anyway. So less of that is a good thing.

I think you're being for positive about the first two games.
>
>Free agent signings are not just decent but in jason hatcher
>and andre roberts cases are balling the eff out.

Yea those kats are playing ball!

The Jags are atrocious and they stomped them out, which is what you're supposed to do with bad teams.

We'll see KC makes a few bad decisions a game, the Eagles thrive on those, so we'll see. I'd love to see KC start grilling early and really continue through the game, because no one has managed to play a full game against this team (see Andrew Luck last night, and Henne last week)

We certainly can win, but we don't really tackle Shady well, so I'm not optimistic.

We'll see come Sunday though.

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55. "I will concede to Shady getting 100 yards if we hold them to 10 points. "
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59. "delusional can be fun (on sundays)"
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>I like that no one cares, most kats are so delusional and
>reactionary that they don't know shit about football anyway.
>So less of that is a good thing.

the only reason i've stuck around as a fan this long is because it was the only team in the area that the whole DMV rallied around. There was a community aspect to it that superceded all of the losing.

But like smuts said it appears the team has reached the tipping point for that kind of thing. Maybe its the name controversy. Maybe its the losing.

Its not like i need to hear more people talk about how "terrible" RG3 is. I just want that vibe back.

>I think you're being for positive about the first two games.
>>

i am realistic. i still think 8-8 is a rational end to this season. especially since there are rougher days ahead, imma party while i can.

The dude Gruden already validated the QB controversy by not committing to Bob when he heals up. There will be plenty of time to be negative later on.

>We certainly can win, but we don't really tackle Shady well,
>so I'm not optimistic.

true, but with guys like doughty, rambo, even fletcher off the team we'll see what changes.

  

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60. "Doughty was good against the run"
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I'll defend his line of scrimmage game until the end!

It was coverage he was terrible.

  

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62. "Reed was underrated but i have more faith in Clark and Personal Foul"
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Reed isolated v mccoy is an L.

Personal Foul might miss McCoy while going for a head shot, but that second or two that Shady uses in a juke to save his life might allow another player to secure the tackle.

  

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63. "lol, word"
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236. "i dont think any of this ish lasted more than two games."
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bob getting hurt matters, but this organization is just sorry.

i still think jay can turn it around and there is a good safety for us in the draft... maybe next year.

  

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56. "To bring it back to football: Jason Hatcher, goddamn."
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32 year old, I assumed it was another dumb Skins signing.

Damn- that dude.

  

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61. "Oh, and since nobody's mentioned him this week- Kerrigan!"
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And honestly, at this point Kerrigan >>>>> Orakpo

Given it was just against the Jags, but damn that dude went the fugg off!!!!!!!!!
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65. "Nosackpo sowackpo"
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66. "lol. harsh."
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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache�He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

  

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70. "I gotta go back and watch the game"
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Between being buzzed and 3stacks getting hurt, I must have missed that. He sure seems to a whole lot more than orapko. lol

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71. "Kerrigan has always been more "active" out there"
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...than Rak. This dude is always making plays, even if it's not actually getting the sack. If the ball's flying out of the ball carrier's hands, you know Kerrigan is somewhere around it, either causing the fumble or recovering. He just has that knack.

I still like Orakpo, but I think he probably would have benefitted from staying a 4-3 DE, like he was in college and his rookie season (11 sacks). He still commands attention and that helps the other pass rushers, but I think his main problem is getting to the qb and finishing.



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my thoughts,

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72. "He can't cook, other than that he's a great chef??? Haha"
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>
>but I think his main
>problem is getting to the qb and finishing.
>

  

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73. "In fairness"
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Hard to get sacks when you're being asked to do more in pass coverage. I don't think Orakpo is the superstar he thinks he is; but if not Rak than who?

I don't think we have that replacement.

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74. "Things are going to be different this year"
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as long as Jason Hatcher is in there wrecking everyone's shit.

Now the OLBs can get some single blocking every once in a while.

  

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75. "Week 3 @ Philly"
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- Special teams once again cost this team 10 points. It is impossible to win games in this league where in 2 of your 3 phases of the game you're good and the 3rd is spotting the other team 10 points. IMPOSSIBLE.

- Defense did an incredible job against the run and shutting Shady down. 22 yards on 20 carries is fantastic. Philly did a great job of creating match-up problems with their personnel groupings. Having Merriweather covering Jeremy Maclin is brilliant planning and creates a mismatch off of the top. They went to it a lot, at times they were running the same plays from different spots, the run game wasn't working but Foles was.

- No sacks, as many times as they hit Foles we registered NO SACKS, against the back-up patchwork line, and Kerrigan and Orakpo going one on one with guys and not winning those matchups.

- KC Grillin real good until crunch time, then the flame went out. Open receivers who beat their men on 3rd down throws. We've got to have those. All in all KC has been great, and I look forward to seeing what he can do long term. If he fails and becomes Tony Romo then that's what it is. I like the kid and just want stability behind center.

- Lost in all this KC madness is how well Alfred Morris is running. Dude is just doing his thing ever so well and consistently. Love that dude.

- All in all good game against the Division champs, but HUGE mistakes are too much to overcome.

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76. "* * *"
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>- KC Grillin real good until crunch time, then the flame went
>out. Open receivers who beat their men on 3rd down throws.
>We've got to have those. All in all KC has been great, and I
>look forward to seeing what he can do long term. If he fails
>and becomes Tony Romo then that's what it is. I like the kid
>and just want stability behind center.

  

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77. "I don't like the comparisons of KC to Tony Romo. "
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Least young Tony Romo was winning his games until playoff time. KC hasn't really done much winning.

Personally, I think I have seen enough of this dude and honestly, I'm not gonna get too gassed off of him. He's got the poise of Jason Campbell with Mark Brunell's arm on his last legs. I like that he is decisive. I just don't see much more potential that what he is doing now.

Defense being solid against the run is a great thing. But its gonna be another long season when it comes to passing. Secondary is so porous. I don't remember our teams in the past playing so much zone coverage. And they suck at it too.

And are you guys sure we fired our Special Teams coach last year?

  

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78. "You're being way too hard on KC"
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He has a good not great arm, good decisiveness, a gun slingers mentality which leads him to turnovers. Being compared to Tony Romo isn't a terrible thing it just means that we'll never win the big one with him. Tony is a REALLY good qb that can give you 500 yards 6tds and still lose the game. That's what I see in KC. It was money time and I saw KC not produce. Great throughout the game just didn't get it done when it counted. No need to get gassed off of him, because you may be right this might be who the kid is, or he'll blossom into a great passer we don't know. We'll just have to see them play.

The Special teams has cost us both loses this year, so i'm not sure if its the ghost of last years coach or not. It's incredible to see that we just can't field a REGULAR special teams, its so bad.

I can deal with our secondary because they played well enough to win, it was just those 10 unaccounted for special teams points.

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79. "Jason Campbell was never as accurate EVER"
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Two throws in particular proved to me that Cousins is a viable starting QB in this league - the sideline throw to Garçon on a rope into his hands in double coverage and the bomb to Desean, a perfect rainbow placed right into his receiver's hands. Front all you want man, but there's about 7 guys in the NFL that good right now.

IM NOT SAYING HES A TOP 7 QUARTERBACK, HE WILL EVENTUALLY COME BACK DOWN TO EARTH!!!

But

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80. "I said he has Jason Campbell's poise. Not his accuracy. "
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82. "JC didn't exactly have poise, either"
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83. "That is my point. "
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84. "Cousins has shown more poise than JC ever did"
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IF that's your point

  

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85. "Not to me......"
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But hey....Keep the optimism.

  

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81. "KC has poise and is making throws."
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At least he was until the 2nd half.

As others said, his biggest flaw is decision-making.

If he can rein that in, he could be a good QB. (obviously easier said than done)

He's got potential. He's earned the chance to keep playing and get a fair shot at the starting job (regardless of who else we have). He's as much of a prospect as any other QB who isn't a top 10 draft pick.

I'm going to watch him over this season and see if evolves or never really gets better than what he is now.

  

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86. "Another thing we have to keep an eye on"
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- How he adjusts in the second half. He's one of those overprepared guys so that's why he attacks so well in the start of the game. He goes after the base D and has a good grasp of what the other team does. After halftime, the other team makes an adjustment and all of a sudden Kirk stars to get happy feet and isn't throwing with as much confidence. This is something to watch out for.

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88. "Yeah, and specifically facing blitzing and pressure."
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The more Philly got to him last week, the more open passes he missed or rushed or bailed on too early.

  

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89. "Exactly, the passes he missed are because he was rushing"
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Because he didn't take the time to throw good passes. He might grow out of it, he's young and does't have a ton of starts so he might get much better about this.

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87. "KC is 1-4 as a starter. Let's all calm down. "
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Geez, local talk radio is becoming unbearable.
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90. "I don't understand why ya'll listen to sports talk radio"
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I just don't understand it.

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91. "it used to be better. right now, its terrible and competition hasnt help..."
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Doc Walker and Fred Smoot are entertaining tho...

  

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92. "yup. "
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I just don't know what you get out of it. Plus listening to commercials?

there are so many great podcasts out there.

  

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93. "Beats most of the music on the radio. "
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Never got into podcasts, and I don't always have what I want loaded on the ipod.
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96. "I'd rather listen to old songs on my pod than shitty radio songs"
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Or Irrational non-informed assholes talk about things they have no business discussing.

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98. "Only listen to Kornheiser & LeBatard"
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Football season thou I'll listen to *skins pre & post game for Doc Walker


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94. "I think he's proven he's starter material. What kind of starter is the q..."
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Geno Smith is a starter, Drew Stanton is a starter, Henne was, etc...

He's better than all them bammas I know that.

  

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95. "Yeah ive stopped listening except for Doc n bmitch."
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>Geez, local talk radio is becoming unbearable.

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97. "Now that we got that shit fest of a game out the way lemme just say"
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FIRED!


Haslett need to lose his job NOW! 83 points given up in two games dogg? TWO GAMES?!?!? Sorry Dae, I know you were saying the secondary is serviceable, I'ma have to disagree with you. No reason for Haslett to stay on board.

Kirk was bad, we know this, but its no reason for the defense to stop trying though. They couldn't even make it a respectable loss. No excuse for Jim to keep his job.

As for Kirk, he is exactly who I thought he was tonight. He will get over it though. He has no other choice. This game is definitely a confidence crusher, but I hope he doesn't keep himself down too much. He is still the man right now and the team needs him to lead.

Dear Jay Gruden, Run the fucking ball young. Kirk can't play hero ball. The receivers you got are nice and shiny, but the QB is still a bit green. Run the ball.

  

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99. "Yes. But. "
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This defensive roster is weak. Safeties are so bad that it almost makes anything else moot. And Ryan Clark has been ok I guess. But Merriweather. Holy shit that dude can't breathe without giving up a touchdown.

No pass rush despite three (!) early draft picks on OLBs.

Yet again the inability to draft (early picks or late) is biting this team hard.

But back to Haslett: there are about 1,000 reasons to fire him. "Refusal to double the TE in the redzone" is near the top

  

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101. "This alone is reason enough"
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"Refusal to double the TE in the redzone"

How many times do you let a dude burn you like that without bringing help????


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104. "We've had weak defensive rosters before"
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But they have never been this horrible. I guess you are right, maybe we are talentless.

I have resigned to the fact that there will never be a good pass rush. But I guess not having any layer of defense that is decent is just disconcerting to me.

  

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100. "How many more years must I watch Tyler Polumbus play?"
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Dude has more staying power than Reed Doughty.

  

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107. "On the sack/fumble he got his hands chopped down and it was over"
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He was beaten and Kirk is eating out of straw for a week.

It was terrible.

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102. "The TEAM is bad, as in poorly constructed..."
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...and still very much a work in progress.

The defense is poorly coached, but at the same time has some major holes in the secondary and along the line. Hatcher is nice, but he's old and he can't do it alone. This team is constantly neglecting the lines on both side of the ball, and that has been it's biggest problem for the last 10 years, getting progressively worse with every "offensive genius" brought in here to run the team. Also chasing after the big names and shiny skill position players and neglecting the lines. The most egregious of this being sham-ahan following the drafting of RG, by taking another fucking quarterback HIGH in the same gotdamn draft.

As for Cousins performance last night, yes he was a MAJOR part of the problem, but this team as a whole is still showing the same flaws of poor line play (both sides of the ball), no pressure on the opposing quarterback and highly questionable secondary play. Throughout all of the poor play, team-wide, Cousins play was particularly troublesome, dare I say Romo-esque. Robert has NEVER had a game like that, playing with teams that were much worse off, in terms of the talent level around him. His rookie season was a success, specifically because of how talented and SPECIAL this dude is at the quarterback position. His performance (along with Morris) hid how truly bad that team was.

Unfortunately people got mistaken into the belief that the team was ready, when the following year demonstrated the opposite.

The team is rebuilding, and very thin at a LOT of positions. Right now they've accumulated some talent, better than it's ever been since RG was drafted, but it's still a work in progress and far from complete, thus you see Robert's struggles and the defense and special teams exposure on a weekly basis.

So, yeah, last night was interesting for me as a fan of this team. On the one hand, watching the team get blown out in another primetime game was disappointing, BUT combined with the South Park episode the night before, and the exposure of Kirk, I kind of went to bed with a bit of a smirk on my face.

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103. "Kirk and his reads"
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Can the staff teach him not to stare down receivers?

  

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105. "The GM still sucks"
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or whatever title he goes by.

Also I heard he's in the fucking skybox calling down challenges?

This fucking franchise.....

  

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108. "isn't that how all teams do challenges?"
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someone from above makes the call?

  

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113. "Yea but not the GM!!! They have a person who's sole job is to"
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Decide whether the team should challenge that play, its not a call that the GM is supposed to be involved in.

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114. "your ability to not find fault with the mgmt, ever, is notable."
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I don't know how you do it.

  

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106. "Week 4 home against the Giants"
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- Losing DeAngelo was a lot larger than I think anyone could've ever thought. As much as I like Breeland he was overmatched last night. The speed and efficiency of which the Giants operate they're west coast offense killed us, especialyl with NO passrush all night long. Our big end rushers looked totally overmatched by a patchwork 2nd strong line. Something has to give there though.

I know everyone was screaming to double the TE, but they were Doubling Cruz because he will salsa left one on one with a rookie or 2nd year corner in the redzone. So i get it, Merriweather was just completely overmatched and out of position alot. It was a bad night for him. I know that not everything is on one player, but as a player when you're in a position to make a play you've got to make it. He could've easily had a pick 6, would've brought the game to 10 points with plenty of time, instead he bricks hands it, and they kept it pushing. Bad day.

- RUN THE FUCKING BALL. Jay has got to learn to lean on Alf, not just to set up the pass, but in a real effort to take the pressure off of KC. Morris is ready to ball, ready for the work and they continually take the ball out of his hands which leads to the funballs.

- Kirk had a bad night, he wasn't accurate most of the night and lost his confidence. If he wants to be a legit starter in this league he's going to develop a short memory. I watched him carry each pick into the next time he was in the huddle, pressing hard to get it all back. There are no 17 point plays, but he lost his poise and started chucking. Its not a great sign, we'll see what he does the next couple of weeks against really good Defenses who cover well and get after the quarterback. We're going to find out real quick who he is, and what sort of quarterback he's going to be.

- Special teams, didn't give up any backbreaking plays, but the kick returns are just one tackle away from going to the house almost all the time, meanwhile our guys get blown up 4 yards shy of the 20 everytime. They're just not good.

- Lets burn this tape and try to do better next week, but a few more of these performances I think the KC honeymoon will be well and over.


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109. "and credit where it's due"
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he had plenty of time to throw, sure, but Eli played amazing yesterday.

  

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111. "Eli was hot, he got into a groove early and never looked back"
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On top of that we never made him move off his mark or make him uncomfortable, i'm not sure why they were so afraid to blitz though?

Its like the Philly game, our worst against the other team's qb's best. Makes for a really lopsided score in the other teams' favor.

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116. "Good point about the blitzing...."
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Our secondary sucks balls. Blitzing would be at least a decent idea to take a little pressure off of them to perform perfectly. Least it would do is give the QB a little less time to throw and that is all you need. Eli and Foles had forever to throw and that is what kills us. They gonna pick apart that secondary every time with some time.

  

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110. "Alf was averaging 5.2 ypc this game"
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He only had 12 attempts and got 63 yards. And they were biting on play action passes. Definitely could have done better offensively this game.

  

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112. "Right, if we're leaning on First Round Talent Al"
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Then kirk doesn't have the opportunity to give the ball to the other team. I felt like the two minute drive where Paulsen got stuck for the ball Kirk was moving too fast, the ball came out before it needed to, like if he waits another second maybe someone else comes open. This is all Friday mornign qbing and shit I know, but that play in that situation is bad anyway. you're short on time, throwing a very covered TE, either get it to someone on the boundary or throw it away.

Tough game to watch

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115. "bad career."
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>It was a bad night for him

  

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117. "4-20 "
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when is change gonna come? lol

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118. "I don't get the local media and what they want from this team"
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All last season we heard that the main reasons for this team not being successful were:

- Special Teams
- Defense
- RGIII

There was this philosophy that if RGIII was benched, Cousins would come in and save the day. This neglected the fact that RGIII led the team his rookie season to the playoffs, the team fed off his energy. This is why the Shannies rushed him back and didn't protect him because shredded knee and all, they knew he was their best options to get back to the playoffs.

The media began the deconstruction of RGIII, the effectively turned on him. Leading the charge in calling for Cousins. Well, we got Cousins at the end of last season. He showed his colors and it was apparent that RGIII in fact, is the best option for the team.

However, Cousins never faced the same amount of criticism and in fact they made excuses for him.

Fast forward to this season. RGIII struggled which anybody with any type of common sense knew he would. It's hard to mask the team's limitations with a repaired knee. Fans and media call for Cousins, RGIII gets hurt, and boom - everybody gets their wish.

Cousins puts up numbers, they lose, but people are happy. They like this losing pretty thing. The following week, Cousins looks awful but it's okay - the "team" let him down (huh?). He plays a decent game yesterday, loses...again, but hey again, it's not his fault.

The media and fans are all of a sudden applying a different set of standards. In fact, the media goes out of their way to point out how "good" Cousins is!

For example, on Monday Morning Quarter Back this morning, Tony Kornheiser called Cousins Joey Harrington. In TK's words, "He simply does not win."

Kevin Sheehan took exception, and pointed out Cousins was/is good and he's no Joey Harrington. Hell, even Gruden last night once Seattle was in prevent defense felt the need to point out, "This Cousins, I like him. He's a good quarterback." Did he say this in all sincerity or is he protecting his brother?

Why do the Cousins supporters and local media feel the need to tell me how good Cousins is and conversely tell me RGIII's limitations (i.e. he's not a good "pocket passer").


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119. "you need to stop listening to sports radio"
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Go to hogshaven.com.

  

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120. "I listen to hear Doc Walker and TK"
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Doc keeps it real. After Cousins fist start this year when he put up numbers but the team lost, Doc came on and was like, "You guys happy? There is an awful lot of giddiness over a loss."




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121. " Yup."
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>Go to hogshaven.com.

or find a podcast or blog or something.

Sports radio is less than worthless.

As is anyone talking who's not actually watching film and taking ownership of their writing.

TK can say whatever he wants, change his argument 12 times a day, and nobody cares.

  

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131. "i got into a heated discussion"
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about this the other day with one of those types...it was like
talking to a mannequin. it's okay though, i know not to take him
seriously about this team or sports from now on.


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122. "This defensive roster is ASSSSSSS."
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123. "You know what? They are undisciplined."
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There is potential there. Seriously. Maybe not dominant potential, but they could be a top 12-15 defense with some discipline. I honestly believe its all bad coaching. Amerson,for example, is not great by any means, but I just get the feeling from the kid that he could be better with some better coaching. He's got potential but is being asked to do way too much and it seems as though he doesn't get enough guidance on the field or at practice. I dunno. I don't see the defense as being "talentless" as much as they are just lost.

  

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125. "They all are trying to make individual plays versus maintaining assignme..."
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How many times yesterday did Orakpo and Kerrigan bite on the inside fake on the boot? Almost every time.


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126. "if your ceiling is 12-15 with good coaching"
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the roster sucks.

I like the young corners and am glad they're getting to play, considering this team isn't doing shit this year, they're not high on my list of urgent problems.

  

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128. "Top half with bad talent is better than last with bad talent. "
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Least you know exactly what you are getting out of everyone and there is some sort of player development going on. That is one of my biggest concerns there. I know the talent isn't the greatest in the world, but you can't just have these guys not show any discipline. And its forming really bad habits. Look at Orakpo. He hasn't shown any sort of progression since his rookie season. Can't really shed blocks. Still pretty horrible in coverage. Kerrigan is nice but even he can be better. Really though, I just want Jim Haslett gone. I have had enough of his bottom league defense. Even at its best there are major flaws that offenses take advantage of, and its not always because of talent either. I just look at these dudes and they just look lost out there to me. It might just be me though. *shrug*

  

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130. "I see the same thing you do."
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But that's not mutually exclusive to this defensive roster largely being nothing.

  

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124. "The Fed/Ex turf needs to be addressed"
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How many more players need to get hurt before field-turf is installed? It's not just *skins players but visiting team players too.

At some point, Danny has to protect his investments.


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127. "is there a better example of what shitty owner Snyder is?"
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dude hires incompetent hacks and gives them open checkbooks to give away tens of millions of dollars, but he can't even get a damn field laid down.

It's like buying a (shitty) expensive car, but refusing to replace your mud driveway.

  

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129. "everytime I see R. Wilson"
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I think back to draft day telling people about how good he was going to be.

Everyone telling me he was on 5'11" and yet here we are just like the other 31 teams mad that we didn't draft him.

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132. "Well..."
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Over/under 2 more wins this year?

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133. "I'm dying at the calls this morning"
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Folks trying to blame Morris!

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134. "Also, on the defense"
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Why do so many people HATE Orakpo? I mean fans are always killing dude. Now, I understand he's not a superstar but if not him, who you going to play?

I hear people complain about his salary? Again, I think it was good to resign him, not like they broke the bank.

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137. "Nah dogg he sucks. He begs for the max deal but doesn't influence games."
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Actually could've been a vastly different game yesterday if he caught that pick.

  

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138. "They do seem to hate that guy"
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He isn't bad, he just isn't a game changer. The money is what it is. I've been down on morris some, but I think it's more about the O'line than it is morris.

Im still waiting for a lil more crow from these cousins folks though.

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140. "You gonna be waiting forever then"
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>Im still waiting for a lil more crow from these cousins folks
>though.

Might as well move on from that.

  

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141. "RE: You gonna be waiting forever then"
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Yup. They're moving the goalpost so they can place no blame on him. The biggest culprit of this in the media is Kevin Sheehan. He can go have sex with himself.

His quote this morning was, "I see something in Cousins."

Oh really?

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142. "Because he was a first round pick who wants big money"
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But hasn't done enough to justify either fact.

I guess this is why he slid so hard on draft day.

  

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144. "He won't get it"
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Hell, he won't get $11 million a year next year from anybody.

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135. "Under."
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This team is pretty terrible.

  

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136. "That's where I'm at"
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I hear folks saying they can go 5-11. I'm thinking, where are 4 wins coming from?


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139. "Everyone played like crap yesterday."
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And yet we were still close to tying the game. Says a lot about how good Arizona is. I think they might fall back down to earth pretty soon.

Gruden should set up the run more. Alf wasn't the greatest yesterday but Helu was getting his chunks in. I get that he likes the aerial attack but it doesn't work well without good protection and good running. Good protection is something we don't have at the moment but we do have a good running attack. Use what you got to stay in it. No reason why this team is near the bottom of the league in rushing. The rushing attack is being wasted.

Kirk can't save the team if he can't get good protection. Simple as that. RG3 should be happy he's not the one in that fire right now. Now with that said, 3 ints in the fourth quarter is unacceptable. That's just bad man. More poise than JC? I think not.....

Defense is actually decent against the run. I can respect that. They just can't stop the big play. Or get turnovers. Injuries are piling up and there is already a short on talent. Outside of Kerrigan, everyone is terrible. Its baffling to me that Orakpo has not one sack this season. I still want Haslett gone, but damn these dudes are going through the motions. Shouldn't be no reason why there is no pressure on the QB. We got Orakpo and Kerrigan. That should be enough right there.

  

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143. "The o-line protection issues"
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This has been an issue for YEARS!!!! When people complained about RGIII not throwing deep enough, I was like - it's an o-line issue. People ignored it, until now that Kirk doesn't have time.

The problem was, RGIII used his legs his rookie season to mask the o-line issues. When he lost that ability, they struggled.

What I don't understand is why the staff isn't using more rolling pockets. I think Kirk is athletic enough for this but hey, they don't pay me the big bucks to figure this out.


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145. "Now that Kirk proved he's a mental midget"
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The *skins lost any trade value they thought they had with him. His value was all predicated on the unknown. Well...it's known now!

Here is what I don't get. I keep hearing people talk about our offensive weapons and how they could be the best in the league. I will agree, we have some of the best in the league. But why don't people understand if you don't have the line to protect the QB, all this can be null-and-void.

I just hope they sit RGIII down until after the bye week. Honestly, I wouldn't be sad if they sat him the rest of the season but I know how much he needs the game action to make sense of the offense.




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146. "RE: Now that Kirk proved he's a "
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Mental Midget, Hah! Indeed...

Anyway, I agree with this statement here...
>I just hope they sit RGIII down until after the bye week.
>Honestly, I wouldn't be sad if they sat him the rest of the
>season but I know how much he needs the game action to make
>sense of the offense.

Just be bad for a second. Except it. Let your franchise quarterback heal. The team is incomplete and we aren't going for the championship this season. Get to the offseason, and get some fucking lineman (O and D) in here.




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147. "Homecoming vs the Titans"
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- Rak done for the season, bye Rak

- For some reason we can't run the ball, like can't run the ball effectively. Fred looking frustrated, and he doesn't ever look frustrated. I feel bad for the dude.

- Well KC is done, I'm not going to bother breaking it down as its pretty simple. He's not mentally tough enough to play the position. You can't be a funball throwing Favre boy and take every interception to bed each night. Ask Favre about his ints and he'll say "what interception" So guess what and we're on to the Gun Show!

- Garcon prolly happy as shit that someone is throwing him the ball again, since KC only throws to TE and Desean. Welcome back Pierre.

- Tough when you can't punch things in from the redzone 4 times. BAD FOOTBALL.

- They're going to get run outta the building on monday evening.

- Season lost, lets see if we can find some pieces to build on.

- Griff doesn't need to come back against the cowboys, he needs to come back after the bye.

- Ryan clark was let go for a reason.

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148. "The OL is struggling"
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(or so I've read, I've only watched parts of the last 3 games)

Polumbus stays terrible and I guess Lauvao has been bad as well.

I'm not sure why it's been two regimes in a row who've thought this OL would be decent.

The common thread is Bruce Allen though.

  

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149. "The O line is terrible"
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I'm tired of watching Lineman whiff on blocks against blitzes.

I'm tired of watching a stretch play get run to the sideline because no one could hold their blocks.

As much as I love Jordan Reed if he can't block he can't play every down. Niles is he same thing. We've got to have blocking on the edge. GOT TO.

Masterpiece back on the shelf

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150. "stretches worked last year"
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So I guess all that's required is the threat of a run from a QB with world class speed.

lol

  

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151. "When you don't take lineman in the first 2 rounds"
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Year after year, this is what you get.

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152. "Yeah one lineman in the first two rounds since Jansen in '99"
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I think.

  

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154. "Are ya'll serious?"
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You mean to tell me Trent Williams is the only O lineman that we have drafted in the first two rounds in 15 years? Wow....

To be fairly honest though, Washington don't draft much on either side of the trenches. All its been since the Snyder era is skill position players. And not a lot of draft picks.

  

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163. "No it's not since 1999, it's since 2000 Chris Samuels"
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Just off one year.

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165. "Forgot about Chris Samuels."
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Boy are his services greatly needed right now.

  

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158. "You get what you deserve..."
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...and the team is getting it!

That drafted lineman stat is all you really need to know about our their struggles over the last decade or so...

Always chasing the skill position players, and not realizing that they get neutralized when you don't have a line in place.

It's like buying a Lamborghini without the engine. SMH!

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159. "And it's not even like the other draft picks have worked"
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They refused to draft OL so they could draft other players who didn't even work out.

  

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155. "Man I also cringe when Helu is out there. "
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He's been the cause for a few of Kirk's mistakes whiffing on blocks.

  

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161. "They showed his whiffs on Sunday"
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They were atrocious, like he wasn't trying to make contact.

he has a lot of "LOOK OUT!!!" misses.


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166. "Very painful to watch. "
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Kirk really should have gotten into his ass about that. That type of thing should be something that keeps you benched.

  

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168. "Fred can't catch outta the backfield"
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The other kats on the roster can't block so we're stuck. Plain and simple.

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181. "Read on the Bleacher Report today......"
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That Gruden ain't exactly high on Alfred Morris right now. It would be a mistake to say that Helu is better. But that is just me.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2241840-washington-redskins-vs-dallas-cowboys-breaking-down-washingtons-game-plan

Morris is definitely struggling. He’s averaging 3.8 yards per carry this season after averaging 4.6 in 2013 and 4.8 in 2012. That’s a problem. Roy Helu on the other hand is averaging a career best 5.4 yards per carry on 25 attempts, which is a fraction of Morris’ 115. But they are different types of runners and they’re deployed in different situations. So it’s not an apples to apples comparison. But I can tell you this: Gruden seems to be losing his patience with the stagnant running game. 'Where do you want me to start?' he said Monday, asked what’s wrong with the ground attack. But after saying Morris has missed some cutback opportunities in addition to numerous other systemic breakdowns, Gruden also gave Morris a vote of confidence, saying, 'We still like Alfred. We still feel like he’s going to carry us to where we need to go.' So it doesn’t sound to me like making a change is even in the discussion.

  

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182. "I don't trust BR for shit but"
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wow would Gruden be making a huge mistake.

To blame Morris, who has an established track record, over losers like Polumbus and Lauvao would be a catastrophic mistake, or the height of misplaced arrogance.

  

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186. "I'm looking at his track record in Cincy"
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Giovanni Bernard is a much more Helu-like person and I just don't think Alfred really fits into hit scheme and I dont' think Gruden has the patience for a real running game.

Color me worried.

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188. "Yeah but Cincy stuck with shitty mediocrity"
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like BJGE for years, and 'fred is actually talented.

  

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189. "So why would he be running out of Patience with Fred then?"
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153. "I went to the Titans game, had great club level seats."
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It was like watching the "all 22" in real time, I was right on the 45.

Hey ya'll know what? This team blows beyond belief.
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW BAD THIS TEAM IS.

Up where we were you could see the entire field:

- Kirk throwing to a wide open Titan who wasn't anywhere near a burgundy jersey
- an incompetent D-line fighting like hell and getting NOWHERE near the QB on every snap
- wide open receivers. WIDE FUCKING OPEN. Desean Jackson is open on
every play no matter where he is on the field I swear to you.
- an offensive line that is immediately on its heels as soon as the
ball is snapped.
- safeties that respond to unfolding plays a full second after the snap.
( I swear to you, the safeties remind me of when I say something to
my wife on the couch while she's playing on her phone and she's
like "whut?" then responds two seconds later)


What was good? I think Ryan Kerrigan is great and that his talent is being wasted by there being no other defensive line penetration (ie wack ass players next to him and a shitty coordinator.) Kerrigan gets double teamed every play and is just too late to make an impact - he gets off the ball like he's been shot out of a cannon.


And I also cannot stress this enough so I'll say this again - 2 of 3 players out of Pierre Garcon, Desean Jackson, and the playing tight end are always open - ALWAYS. Pierre is open on every play, Desean is open on every play and I AM NOT EXAGGERATING - IT WOULD TAKE AVERAGE QUARTERBACK PLAY FOR THIS TEAM TO AVERAGE 24 POINTS!!!


I know the defense blows but honestly that's at least three years from being worth a damn anyway...and that's with good drafts and player development, both of which we've proven we're incapable of doing well with.


Dude even if like Chad Pennington circa 02 was our QB we'd be moving the ball and scoring on the regular. Some other pseudo-trash bamma I don't know Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer whatever, we'd be KILLING. The TV broadcast doesn't do this situation enough justice.


This IS a legitimate QB crisis - a crisis in that we're absolutely loaded with pass catching talent and don't have anyone that can pass well or protect the passer consistently.

  

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156. "damn. I didn't know it was like that."
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Can't believe we got to draft one of the best QB prospects of the past 10 years and dude's career might already be in jeopardy.

Meanwhile we have the best skill players we've had in maybe a decade.

This is so R*dskins.

  

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157. "And absolutely nothing in the trenches and bad coaching......"
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160. "They are an INCOMPLETE team, bottom line"
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I hate the argument, that we have the "best talent in the league" and then everybody looks at the quarterback and says, "Why aren't you getting it done?"

The line is horrible. The problem with the team is that they continue to think that they can build it from the outside in. Get the skill people in first and then make do WITHOUT an offensive line.

Doesn't work that way in the NFL. Never has and never will.

This team always thinks it's outsmarting everyone else, by doing shit that NO OTHER team does. Going against conventional football wisdom.

1. Hiring a Head Coach, and then his son for offensive coordinator.
2. Taking three WRs/pass-catchers in one round of a draft.
3. Taking your franchise quarterback (with a record amount of 1st-round picks) and then taking another fucking quarterback two of your own picks later. IN THE SAME FUCKING DRAFT!
4. Taking ONE offensive lineman in the first round for like a decade.

This list can go on and on and on, but I'm tired of typing. You get the point.

And this is what we get to watch every Sunday.

Thanks $nyder!

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my thoughts,

peace.

  

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162. "I had a feeling it was like this"
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The offensive line is a joke and we need to stop trying to fool ourselves this can't continue. We must address the line. You can't just keep taking other team's offensive cast offs.

- I was wondering about those match-ups on the outside. Are teams just so not afraid that they're willing to sell out coming after the qb to allow the receivers to get loose? Or are they really just that open? Either way KC had to sit.

- we're a bad team and bad organization. We can only say it so many times.

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164. "RGIII's athletic ability hid the o-line deficiencies"
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Until he couldn't. That's why I don't want them to rush him back but let him sit until after the bye week.


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167. "we see it"
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I would've figured Bruce Allen would see it, especially once Shanhan's offensive line scheme/ego was out the door.

But no.

  

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169. "Finger Guns starting to get squarely pointed at Brucey now"
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Shanahan gone, Morroco gone, some of these decisions have to rest with him.

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170. "cats are going too hard on allen right now"
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The other front office folks been gone less than a year.

in his one offseason at the helm, he signed a LG and drafted an OT and OG in the second and 3rd rounds. The team knows the line sucks and did something about it. There is more work to be done, sure, but given how bad the talent is, its gonna take time to sort this out.

Also the defense was always ignored under shanny so Allen drafted orakpo's potential replacement (which seems super smart right now) and a promising mid round guy in breeland. Clark and merriweather were busts, but based on year 1, i dont see Allen ignoring the secondary and further improving the OL in year two.

The key is for danny to let this team be terrible enough for 2-3 years that allen and gruden can stockpile assets in the early rounds that fit the system and contribute. Snyder NEVER lets this happen, so i am not optimistic.

  

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171. "Allen's track record is pure mediocrity"
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going back to his Tampa days.

Shanny was calling the shots the last few years, but Allen was certainly involved.

I might not fire him after this season, but I'm not sure how many more years he should have an office at R- Park. You either draft well or you don't.

Edit: Also, neither of the OL this year were 2nd round, they were both 3rd. Maybe Trent Murphy balls out, but I thought it was a pretty big mistake to not go OL with the 2nd pick. And to draft yet another OLB on top of that. And Murphy wasn't even that highly rated. He's a "motor guy".

Breeland seems promising and supposedly Moses will be replacing Polumbus soon, but I'm not blown away by Allen and you only get so many years to finish in last place.

  

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172. "Do you know if we have all of our draft picks this year and next?"
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Cause to me, the next two drafts really determine whether he has the skills to get talent or not. He's been decent enough as to keep the team in good cap space. Poor scouting can be something we fix by maybe having a good replacement for Morocco Brown.

  

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173. "I believe we do."
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Not to belabor the point, but we've had most of our 2nd-5th round picks recently which is where mediocre GMs separate from good GMs. Most competent GMs can draft a first rounder. it's the mid rounds where you create good value.

  

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174. "The midround draft picks is why i am waiting to blame Allen"
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Shanny was given the power and those were his picks imo. The next few drafts and signings are on Allen and we'll see how he does.

  

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175. "He's already had one draft. "
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I don't think he's earned the right to wait around for three drafts (& development). Especially not with how bad the team is this year.

Two is plenty, considering that he has been part of the brain trust for a few years now.

If this team finishes in last next year, or below .500, he doesn't deserve to keep his job.

  

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176. "seems a bit impatient."
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the team has neither a QB (yet) or a strong defense to leverage into a .500 season.

if we switch GMs, gruden is probably gone after two or three years and the process starts all over again with roster turnover. guys who might have grown into something get thrown away because they dont fit the new system and then the new guy gets blamed for not developing talent that he wasnt responsible for bring in. This is what i think is happening to Allen now and will happen again if the team isn't patient with someone.

  

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179. "yeah but who's the one picking the defense?"
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and the system thing is overrated, especially on defense. Most defenses are hybrid, most players translate to any basic system.

Going 6-10 or 8-8 and showing promise is one thing. But if next year is as miserable as this year, I'm not sure what the rationale would be.

  

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180. "I'll finally resign to the point of the defense having no talent. "
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But it does perplex me as to why the pass rushers we do have are not getting it done this year. Its not like Orakpo and Hatcher are scrubs so how can Kerrigan have more sacks than the both of them? But hey Orakpo is done and probably won't be resigned.

I almost want Washington to get Michael Sam. Least dude can get to the QB and that is sorely needed.

But yeah, Allen is on a pretty short leash at the moment. And looking back at his years in TB he didn't draft anyone of significance on either side of the ball and the defense definitely suffered. I would say that giving Allen a short leash is a bit premature, given the team's history of short employment, but with past history to keep in mind, there isn't much of a reason to not be at least ambivalent about keeping Allen around.

  

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183. "this is all i am saying."
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>with past history to keep in mind, there isn't
>much of a reason to not be at least ambivalent about keeping
>Allen around.

in fairness, 4 of kerrigans sacks were against one terrible team and hatcher is only half healthy. Orakpo is not a scrub but he is little more than above average. he prolly should have been moved to the opposite side of the defense long ago. He's gonna lose every matchup against a premier LT, so why not let him eat off of the opposing teams Tyler Polumbus and Chris Chester and see if he can be effective.

  

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177. "That HAD to be you on WJFK this morning right?"
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dude called in and said the exact same thing about the club seats view, the wrs being open, the DL being weak...

  

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178. "Haha that was me"
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184. "and here y'all keep telling me not to tune in to talk radio....."
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185. "its terrible 75% of the time but i still listen for background noise"
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the junks can be really funny. usually they arent talking about sports when they are entertaining though.

fred smoot = hilarity.

i respect doc walker and grant paulsen's opinions.

funny danny is not funny. cooley and czab are awful. dukes w/o lavar is unlistenable and that's saying something. i miss lavar's 5 minute monologues that abruptly end in a commercial break cuz he went over time...

Ferrell has grown on me.

scott jackson used to be hilarious on the wizards post games when he'd get sarcastic and carry listeners after a loss.

and tiger woods made a cameo this morning on my radio dial on some Think Differently OKS meets JFK collabo! that was lol worthy.

  

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187. "That's absolutely worth its weight in gold"
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I'm glad this happened

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190. "Colt McCoy is a G"
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That is all. He very well may never win another game for us but for tonight he will always be remembered

  

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191. "class by the gallon. Best win since 2012."
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192. "Colt earned his stripes in the Washington Team legend. "
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Good stuff.

  

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193. "That was a tuff bucket"
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The production felt like a dallass coronation. The defense stepped up big.

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194. "ANY time you get a win against Dallas..."
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...It's a good day.

Didn't see the pre-game, but I'm sure it was ridiculously pro-Dallas. Love getting wins like that.

Colt was solid. He seems like a good guy. Unassuming, and possibly a better back-up option than Captain Kirk who has zero trade value at this point

Also, I'm intrigued with the cornerback combination. I think the DHall injury was a bit of a blessing in disguise, giving these two some much needed development playing time. I've liked Amerson, and I know it's waaaaay too early but Breeland looks like he could possibly have that "it" factor in terms of his tackling and "ball-hawkishness".

Good win,

and of course...


"How bout them Cowboys!!!"
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195. "Can't be mad at a win......"
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Liked seeing Breeland and Amerson getting a little more battle tested. I think Breeland may be on the come up.

I like Colt's grit and decision making, but jeez, he noodle-armed a couple of those passes to DeSean. One of them could have a been a TD if he had the cannon.

Also, Tom Compton is awful. Our line is awful. Outside of K-Lich and The Silverback, I got no faith in them dudes.
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196. "I like that the corners are getting tick this year"
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they could both be nice.

  

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197. "Compton is awful? Really?"
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He can't be worse than Polumbus.

  

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198. "My overall take from the game I've been mulling over this week:"
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If Griffin had Colt McCoy's head and humility he'd be fabulous. Or he'd be Russell Wilson.

  

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200. "RE: My overall take from the game I've been mulling over this week:"
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>If Griffin had Colt McCoy's head and humility he'd be
>fabulous. Or he'd be Russell Wilson.

So NOW we want RG3 to be Colt McCoy. Seriously? About a month ago, we wanted him to be like Kirk.

Aside from that TV special on ESPN, what has he done to show he's not humble? I notice this is only said about "certain type" of QB.

I don't post much, but im sick of the RG3 bashing. You would think he's a Jamarcus/Couch/Leaf bust at this point.

  

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213. "I love RG3. But he's no question a narcissist. "
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the tweeting is excessive, he openly refused to run anymore (then couldn't play the position in a traditional way)...

He's a case of extreme hubris without having the track record to make it excusable. I don't even know how that's refutable - and I still want him to get back to his 2012 self, stay healthy, and realize his potential.

  

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214. "RE: I love RG3. But he's no question a narcissist. "
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yeah this is all true.

>He's a case of extreme hubris without having the track record
>to make it excusable. I don't even know how that's refutable -
>and I still want him to get back to his 2012 self, stay
>healthy, and realize his potential.

  

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199. "that's par for the course"
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>I like Colt's grit and decision making, but jeez, he
>noodle-armed a couple of those passes to DeSean. One of them
>could have a been a TD if he had the cannon.

watched nearly all his games as starter in CLE, had the same feeling about him over there. "good in most facets, but damn that noodle arm"

  

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201. "Road Divisional Win @ Dallas"
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There are few things as sweet as a Road win at Dallas.

- Breeland and Amerson might be mainstays in our Defensive backfield for years. I want to temper the excitement with "they'll get burned again next week" but they showed out and did a great job against one of the better offenses in the league. They deserved the gameballs they received.

- Jay getting frustrated with Alf, this won't end well. I see him leaning for that Giovanni Bernard (Helu). I saw him get frustrated in the first half, turned to Silas Redd which almost ended in Disaster. Second half came out and fed Alfred. The first drive in the second half looked so incredibly easy. Just let Fred eat and everything else will come easier.

- My game ball will also go to Jim Haslett. He's taken a lot of heat, but he's been doing a really good job with some pieces. I've never seen Brandon Merriweather play so well. The weak link out there is Ryan Clark. That Veteran presence is definitely having an effect on the young corners, but his play has fallen significantly.

- Polumbus is washed and its time to cut ties.

- Welcome to the gun show had a good game. If that dude have even a little more arm he could be a killer. Shout out to him, played a great game and took advantage of his opportunity.

- If this offensive group can find a real groove, they'll eat together for a long time. I'd like to see that.

- Its always so nice to beat the cowboys. We're still a 3-5 team looking up from the basement of our division. I hope we can build on this game. They better not come out flat. I want to see the same intensity in Minnesota that I saw on Monday. If not then this win means almost nothing.

I had a ton more to write, but he left when I took too long. Let's discuss.

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205. "Line would be good if they cut Chester too. "
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But hey Polumbus is a start. Anybody heard about LeRibeus? Is he terrible? Any good? Why don't they give that man a chance too?


I am a little bit worried about Alf being on the hot seat. He's a workhorse back. He don't deserve to be benched. He needs his carries. And he needs Robert back.


I hope that Amerson and Breeland's play continue to trend upward so that we can say that this team can develop a few players.



  

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210. "I watched him and Helu Ole on Monday"
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Chester this has to be his last year, he's been dreadful in pass protection and missing some blocks on that zone stretch.

- You have to allow Fred to eat, he's got to get warmed up and get going, gotta keep feeding him. Hopefully with adding Griff to the equation it'll allow him to get going earlier and faster.

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202. "RG3 to start Sunday "
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203. "if he's ready, he's ready"
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why keep him out?

  

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204. "At this point they should be over cautious "
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206. "reports are"
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that Robert was physically ready for MNF. So they are being cautious. If your #1 QB is medically cleared to go, it makes no sense to start your #3 QB.

  

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207. "He was cleared last year too"
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So I don't think its outside of the realm for people to be pessimistic or wnat Colt to start

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208. "yeah I get it, people are traumatized"
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...from the past. We all are. But there's no sense in keeping him on the sideline if he's fully fit.

  

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209. "I think that's the crux of the argument"
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No one believes in the staff to say that he's actually healthy.

So to allow some of those fears to subside folks feel like he should sit this week, take the additional week from the bye and come back then.

Sounds pretty rational to me, but I also get that if he's healthy and he's our best option then we should play him. He needs the reps.

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212. "it's a different staff tho"
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215. "yep, gruden is the anti shanny"
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seems pretty honest. and bob needs the reps. if he is healthy which he supposedly is, then let him play.

i think the original fear that he'd be out for the season has folks thinking he was more hurt than he was.

  

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211. "stop it"
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if he's ready he's ready

let's move on from this bullshit

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216. "Dhall tore the same achilles again... out 6-9 additional months."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/10/31/deangelo-hall-tears-achilles-tendon-again-which-could-add-six-to-nine-months-to-recovery-time/

sucks for him. he really was establishing himself as a net positive guy to have around...

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217. "Breeland Island"
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218. "Yup....."
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If he keeps this up he gonna be our best kept secret.

  

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219. "hopefully breelands development accelerates hall's move to FS."
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and maybe phillip thomas shows us *something* within the next two years.

  

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220. "This team is such a clown show"
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I don't understand all the media hate towards RGIII. I don't get it. They want to tear this dude down so bad. It has a "know your place" vibe to it.

Gruden doesn't help matters. Especially with his "jury is still out" BS. I didn't like the hire when they made it and still don't like it.


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221. "I must say that I have been pretty lukewarm about Gruden myself."
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His play calling has been shaky and his press conferences do not give me as a fan any vote of confidence. I don't like the fact that he "might" not like Morris. He's been down this year but he doesn't get the ball enough to work.

  

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222. "I think Gruden needs some time"
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I actually like his press conferences—he's a straight shooter and doesn't mince words.

  

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223. "to defend Gruden's "jury's still out comment"..."
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... I think his strategy is sound. Robert does still have a lot to prove, and I think that's where Gruden is coming from.

  

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224. "RG3 needs to string together a couple of wins"
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post first-pro-traumatic-injury, and emerge fully healthy, to convince anyone of anything

  

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225. "RE: to defend Gruden's "jury's still out comment"..."
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The early rumblings were and many people though Gruden's brother's comments echoed how Jay really felt when it was mentioned that, "Cousins runs his offense better."

If Gruden said that in any of the interviews, his ass should never have been hired.


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226. "agree."
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>I actually like his press conferences—he's a straight
>shooter and doesn't mince words.

  

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227. "Bye Week Discussion"
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- 3-6 AGAIN

- We don't run the ball enough, although with a Healthy Griffin Morris had room to run this week. I have noticed however that his blazing speed is gone, he can no longer run away from defensive players on the outside and must learn to let go of the ball quicker. Anyway i've seen more of Helu than I want, if Alf is running the ball well, the offense goes.

- Gruden, not sold on his playcalling, but its only his first season he'll either get his groove or he won't. He has to find a way to muster the intensity they came out with against Dallas EVERY week. As a coach he hasn't done that so far.

- Offense, we know the problems, they're clearly stated and we've talked about them here ad nauseum. The good things are Desean. He's better for this offense than advertised and if we could get one of our qb's to take the next step this could be a very dangerous group. Feed First round talent Al.

- Defense, is beat down by injuries, old age and youth all at once. Kerrigan worth the price of admission, but Rak is gone. I saw his Eastern Motors commercial and sighed, he's gone.

- Special teams is coming together and might be a plus for this team going forward, the hiring of Ben Kotwica seems to have worked.

- What trends do we think we'll see?
What do you want to see coming soon?
How do you let Matt Asiata Goon 3tds on 27 yards?
Will Jim Haslett have a job or will this be another apologist year
him?
Will Griff take the next step, EVER?
Will Gruden run the ball or just make the team in the image he wants
How terrible is Ryan Clark in Coverage?

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228. "Will this team ever get a line that can pass protect?"
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Will Helu ever learn how to block?
Will Garçon get the ball more?

Haslett would be cool if he went to the Gregg Williams school of defense. Do some more blitzing and let these young corners battle it out. They have shown that they are capable of stepping up. Let them do so. Don't have them expecting so much help. That was part of the problem last game with Minnesota. When Cordarelle Patterson was wide open for that touchdown, it looked like Breeland was waiting on Clark to switch over for help. Too much miscommunication. Its like they don't know what's happening out there from week to week. But oh well, fire his ass.

  

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229. "RE: Will this team ever get a line that can pass protect?"
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- Looking back at that play and the long one that Bridgewater overthrew Ryan Clark seemed to be late and out of position both times. Now we don't know what d they were in and who had which responsibility but Clark looked to be the offender in both situations.

- Roy needs to go to the Clinton Portis school of pass protecting, as much as Soup used to get killed it was NEVER because of Clinton. Roy gotta start watching those tapes.

- Garcon has 20 catches after the first 2 games, that's not enough targets for him, Dre seems to drop two a game across the middle that he should catch for First downs, and where is Jordan Reed in the redzone? He's supposed to be our red zone target!

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230. "the crazy blitz shit is the reason guys are runing 15 yards open"
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Haslett isn't smart enough to install his X's and O's, and the players aren't good enough to run them.

That's how you end up with a rookie QB with weak weapons picking you apart on third and long over and over again.

Haslett couldn't hold Gregg Williams clipboard.

The defensive talent is weak (even if there are some nice young parts) and Haslett gonna Haslett.

  

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231. "I heard Cooley explain why the D was so bad at Minnesota"
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Cooley speculated that in essence the short week kept Haslett from gameplanning. WHAT??????? That's your full time job! How do you NOT game plan, even if you just shut down the Cowboys?

  

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232. "lol yeah right"
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2 more days and those receivers wouldn't have been 15 yards open downfield in third and long!!

  

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233. "Trying to make up for lack of a pass rush with 4"
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Its a domino effect, they thought Hatcher would be better than he is, and give them more push, Barry has been hurt all year, they're trying to manufacture some pass rush which is why we're constantly leaving 5'10" Merriweather against 6'6" or taller Tightends.

Its not a great position to be in.

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234. "Chances that we shit the bed against Tampa this week?"
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What are they?

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235. "50%"
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skins have no home field advantage and lose to terrible teams frequently. But they are the better team.

Who knows which defense will show up this week? I can't defend haslett anymore after the Minny game. i hope rex ryan will consider being overpaid to be our DC, but its unlikely that jimmy is getting fired by his buddies.

Robert is much better statistically than people give him credit for, but he is not winning games singlehanded anymore. He should be able to put up 30 on these dudes regardless.

Should. Who knows if he will or if our WRs pick this week to get the dropsies or if the bucs WRs leverage our DBs youth to their advantage, or if gruden decides to only run the ball 10 times this game.

Toss a coin. The only thing the skins actually do consistently is start off 3-6.

  

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237. "I agree with this. "
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All of it. I say this year we end up 7-9 though.


Maybe one of these days we fix our line play on both sides.

  

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238. "But drafting lineman isn't sexy"
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239. "Soooooooo......... We shat the bed "
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- Griff making mistakes, holding the ball forever, and not throwing on time. With a terrible banged up line that just makes for a terrible combination.

- Ryan Clark once again talking about he didn't get over to help a corner out on a long td pass. This dude is terrible.

- Got burned for 209 by a rookie. Whoever is the 3rd option on the opposing team if you're playing the WPFT just go ahead and startthem in fantasy, guaranteed W.

- They got NO pressure on McCown. NONE, even when they blitzed they didn't get anything done.

- First Round Talent Al had a great game except when they got in the redzone and forget about the run except to run that toss dive from the 15. (I hate the fucking play call) Great game by him though, he ran hard, ran over and around people. Great game.

- Coaching looks like shit, but moreso the execution with the coaching is really bad mixture for sunday's.

- Who stays and who goes?

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240. "don't know but"
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rgiii needs to get out of dodge. hate to see such a young talent
wasted here. *hi donovan* he needs to get out before it's too late.
no question he has talent but, not sure this is the right
organization for him. since the injuries, at times, he seems
unsure about himself. got people snitching to the media, what
respectable organization does that?

i don't like this 'team' as a whole...from the owner on down. a
few good individual players but no cohesion and i'm not sure
about this coaching staff. *rinse repeat for the past 15 years*


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246. "Griff aside we're a bad organization"
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- Look at how we treated the Rak situation, instead of giving him an offer that was good for us and good for him, we gave him that killing as Franchise tag and he bowed out after .5 sack and another muscle injury. (stay off the roids)

- I think going forward everyone knows that the line is important. I also know that they're trying but just missing. Morgan Moses isn't ready for thes how but he might be a dependable lineman at somepoint down the road.

- The name thing

- There's no way you allow Rock Brown to leave the Front office, its incredible to me if you look at how many front office kats who've left here and have gone on to be really good at their jobs elsewhere.

- We've got to find competent people so we can compete.

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241. "they are the Jaguars now. They are the Raiders."
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There is no one distinct problem. There are scores of problems, on the field-->to the coaching staff-->to the front office-->to ownership

They're an embarrassment to pro football
They're an embarrassment to what this team was some 30 years ago
They're an embarrassment to DC and their fans.


The cruel irony is that the Shanahans may have had something with Griffin but he's probably a coach killer. Dispute that if you feel like, whatever, it's a clear FACT. Now it's backfired on him. He wanted control, he got control, he got exposed. Bottom line. Meanwhile, everywhere Kyle Shanahan goes he scores points with shitty quarterbacks. Also a FACT. Bryan Hoyer sucks, Matt Schaub blows.
I'm not here pining for Mike, who still remains a poor talent evaluator and is laughably oblivious to what defense is, just giving credit where it's due; Kyle Shanahan masked Griffin's deficiencies and was an asset to Griffin...Griffin effectively ran him out of town.



Meanwhile in Hapless-ville...

Jay Gruden isn't a motivator. Maybe he gets Xs and Os but he sure isn't a leader of men. Coming off a bye, at home, against a 1-8 team...the Redskins looked completely unprepared on every single play of the game. Jay Gruden is probably Norv Turner. Mark Trestman. No Harbaugh in him, no Tomlin in him. And groaning about Haslett at this point is just wasted air.

Ryan Kerrigan, Desean Jackson, Pierre Garcon, Alfred Morris, Trent Williams...after that group, from the owner on down, who deserves to stay here?



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242. "You love the Shannies like that?"
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What is one major similarity between those Texans teams and the current Brows team in regards to Kyle? They have good offensive lines. Our sucks.

Here is the problem. You have these coaches that have a system and they're too rigid to adjust it because "they're system works."

If you look at this team and think RGIII is it's biggest problem, than you're crazy!

He took 6 sacks yesterday. I would say maybe 3 of them were his fault. 2 INTs, only one was his fault there as well.

I find it funny how that when this team shits the bed (which is a lot), the QB is only the problem when RGIII is playing. Cousins can throw 5 picks and the fans point to all the other issues.

At this point, I hope we don't extend him and/or trade him. Then maybe you guys will be happy.



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244. "don't get it twisted - Griffin is far from their biggest problem."
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But Griffin's hubris did greatly influence the exit of the Shanahans. And without the Shanahans, Griffin appears tremendously flawed. What's not true about that?

Important note I should've made: I'm glad the Shanahans are gone and wanted them gone - Mike especially is a DICK. That being said, the Shanahans were good for Griffin and Griffin forced his way back too early and further played the media to blame Mike Shanahan for letting him tear his ACL in the Seattle game. This shit is all true boys!

Now, is this mostly an institutional issue? An organizational structure issue that alludes to an owner who remains too accessible to his star players? Absolutely.


And, AGAIN, Griffin is far from the biggest problem.

  

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243. "i'm lost"
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>The cruel irony is that the Shanahans may have had something
>with Griffin but he's probably a coach killer.

he's a coach killer now?

  

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245. "he helped run them out. Fact Not the sole reason, but he helped."
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247. "so, you think they could/should have stayed"
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if rgiii was not a factor? k.


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248. "nah man, see my above post."
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Mike Shanahan doesn't know what defense is and can't draft. Firing him was right overall, but probably wrong for RGIII's short-term and possibly long term success.

  

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249. "you've been that for years"
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252. "for real. Their delusion knows no bounds."
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254. "said the Bucs fan? "
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253. "not in 2012"
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255. "Young, why can't the Skins ever win at home?"
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Does this team even have a winning record at home historically? Like seriously, most of our embarrassing losses come at home. Is Landover really that bad? I know Snyder needs to change the field but damn, does it really make that much of a difference? It might. *shrug*

And for Jay Gruden to be such a quarterbacks coach, he's surely shit the bed with 2/3 of them. I see no improvement in none of these guys. I just don't feel like his game planning puts the team in the best position to win. He is just now figuring out that the run game is the key to wins, and he's still been reluctant to use it. I would say that he just needs time to adjust but even Jim Zorn had an 8-8 season.

Is RG3 the problem with his career or is the franchise a problem? Remember in his rookie season how the locker room fiercely stood behind RG3 even when he was struggling? What happened to that camaraderie? Does anyone in that locker room even like him? I want this guy to succeed badly because he has been our best quarterback prospect in a long time. But it seems as though this franchise likes drama. And RG3 has been in right smack dab in the middle of it his whole career. Its been bad for his development. Its been bad for the locker room and its bad for this franchise overall. I wouldn't want to be drafted here if I were a high draft pick. This place ruins careers before it starts. That doesn't mean I don't blame RG3 for some of it either. He's ultimately responsible for his relationships and thus far, he hasn't built a good repoire with coaching staffs.

Haslett is the problem on defense. Fire his ass! That is all......

  

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257. "This is where I blame the Shanahans "
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>Is RG3 the problem with his career or is the franchise a
>problem? Remember in his rookie season how the locker room
>fiercely stood behind RG3 even when he was struggling? What
>happened to that camaraderie? Does anyone in that locker room
>even like him? I want this guy to succeed badly because he has
>been our best quarterback prospect in a long time. But it
>seems as though this franchise likes drama. And RG3 has been
>in right smack dab in the middle of it his whole career. Its
>been bad for his development. Its been bad for the locker room
>and its bad for this franchise overall. I wouldn't want to be
>drafted here if I were a high draft pick. This place ruins
>careers before it starts. That doesn't mean I don't blame RG3
>for some of it either. He's ultimately responsible for his
>relationships and thus far, he hasn't built a good repoire
>with coaching staffs.
>
They DID NOT like to be criticized! And you couldn't question Kyle because then Mike would defend him. So when things started to go south the Shanahans started scapegoating RGIII. All the leaked stories, etc...

It turned things against RGIII and RGIII had nothing to do but become defensive. It created a toxic atmosphere that still hasn't cleared.

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258. "this is what i don't understand"
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what has changed exactly? what specifically has he done for teammates
not to like him? and hell you're really not there to be liked. imo,
it's telling that desean recently stood behind him, something else
is up over at the park.

>Is RG3 the problem with his career or is the franchise a
>problem? Remember in his rookie season how the locker room
>fiercely stood behind RG3 even when he was struggling? What
>happened to that camaraderie? Does anyone in that locker room
>even like him?

  

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250. "This Organization is Broken"
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I don't even know where to start. I think all of the superlatives to describe how bad we are have been used.

We constantly shoot ourselves in the foot. I've been and RGIII backer, but I'm starting to have grave doubts that the boy can get it done. You can't hold the ball that long play after play after play and then refuse to learn from it and KEEP holding the ball.

I really think RGIII is like that star athlete who can't read, but fools everyone to thinking he can cause he knows stop signs are red and a few other cheats. He makes us think he can read defenses, but sadly he can't. He just knows Burgundy=Good, Opposing team color=Bad.

Offense full of weapons at the skill position that excel at getting downfield and our best option might be our noodle-armed third stringer.

The offensive line is an embarrassment to an organization that once had the mighty HOGS and the defense is consistently coached badly. We actually have done a few things right in nurturing some up and coming young affordable talent in our secondary in Amerson and Breeland, then we undo that goodness by putting them in a position to fail.

And to come out of a bye week this lackluster is purely on coaching. Is anyone seeing any leadership out of Gruden? I sure don't. I see little identity in him or his coaching style or his team. I don't see where he's tried to establish himself as a leader or even an NFL head coach.

Our team is horrible.


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251. "Roster sucks. Coaching sucks."
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And Dan Snyder has yet to make a single good GM/Pres hire in the 15 years he's owned the team.

I don't know why I would ever expect this franchise to get out of nearly-perennial last place as long as Snyder is doing the hiring.

  

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256. "Your Avi is KILLING ME"
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The fact that the WPFT keeps getting smaller and smaller is a killer.

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261. "lol"
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glad you noticed.

sad but true.

  

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259. "Just an observation..."
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...because I don't really feel like repeating the same ol' shit about this team.

But, why/how does this team continue to hire "offensive" head coaches, yet CONSTANTLY suck at offense? #BiggerThanRG3

Just saying...

  

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260. "Gruden, report to the principal's office"
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ESPN 980 @ESPNRadio980 2m2 minutes ago
‪#‎Redskins‬ HC Jay Gruden "He needs to worry about himself. on Robert. "It's not his place" and Griffin elaborated too much on rest of team.

  

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262. "someone ask Gruden why Jim Haslett is still employed"
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or whether Gruden is embarrassed when our worst cover LB is covering a WR who already has 150 yards in the game.

  

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265. "Yep and yep"
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Was Haslett Gruden's idea or Danny's?



  

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264. "people who deny griffs hubris just arent paying attention."
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for a guy that claims to want to be like rodgers and peyton and brady, he seems to have none of their media savvy.

i agree with jay. shut the eff up and stick to figuring out how to deliver the ball before getting sacked.

its not like you can be any worse than cousins at turning the ball over. get out there and let it fly.

i believe bob will be very good again one day (on another team), but its gonna be after he learns a lot of lessons the hard way.

  

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268. "I'm taking the Doc Walker and B-Mitch stance on this"
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How come RGIII is the only QB that's laced them up for this organization that people want to stand up there and say, "It's all my fault" because it's not.

Funny how things turn. RGIII's rookie season, everybody PRAISED him for how media savvy he was. Now they call it hubris. I have news for you. There is NOT one starting QB in the league that's not an egomaniac.

It's funny how you mentioned Peyton Manning. He's the worst in the NFL when it comes to hubris. In fact, if it weren't for his hubris he'd probably have more than one chip.


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269. "bob is in a unique situation and not succeeding in a specific area."
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>How come RGIII is the only QB that's laced them up for this
>organization that people want to stand up there and say, "It's
>all my fault" because it's not.

Honestly, i cant think of a single skins qb in recent memory that let you know how highly he thought of himself more than robert. and bob isnt obnoxious with it - its just not working. Ramsey, JC, Rexy, Brunnell had swag (whether justified or not) and werent abrasive with it. i remember santana publicly rallying around rex grossman despite his INTs.

its true in any field. people with charisma (even those who are less talented) can get people to rally around them more so than people who come off as inauthentic or self absorbed.

>Funny how things turn. RGIII's rookie season, everybody
>PRAISED him for how media savvy he was. Now they call it
>hubris. I have news for you. There is NOT one starting QB in
>the league that's not an egomaniac.

Media savvy is tested when things go well *and* when they go poorly. Bob isnt good at the latter. Yes, everyone has an ego, but leaders have to calibrate it so that its not abrasive to the people following them.

Santana moss told him as much last year after the eagles game. this is not an imaginary issue for this specific QB.

I am sure Luck thinks he's a badass. As does Wilson. Neither come off the same way.

>It's funny how you mentioned Peyton Manning. He's the worst in
>the NFL when it comes to hubris. In fact, if it weren't for
>his hubris he'd probably have more than one chip.

Maybe he'd win more, but he's come much closer to maximizing his talent than Bob has. He has guys like Emmanuel sanders talking about how much of a better leader he is than other greats like big ben. Randy moss is talking about coming out of retirement to play with dude.

RG3 had a the GOAT rookie year. I hope he turns it around. that said, i didnt believe it before, but i do now. on this issue, where there is smoke there is fire.


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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache�He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

  

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275. "Nah, he avoided admitting fault for awhile"
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>How come RGIII is the only QB that's laced them up for this
>organization that people want to stand up there and say, "It's
>all my fault" because it's not.

I think he's of that mentality that it's a weak thing to do, so he avoided it for a long time. He'd subtly roll his faults into a longer comment about what the team needed to do. I don't think anyone is asking him to accept all blame, just his fair share.

It's hard to really avoid admitting he's struggling now but he's getting burned because it looks like he's still trying to deflect too much.

I think he needs to forget about being fairly portrayed in the media and just focus on doing better. THE media will gloss over his flaws if he's good.

>Funny how things turn. RGIII's rookie season, everybody
>PRAISED him for how media savvy he was. Now they call it
>hubris. I have news for you. There is NOT one starting QB in
>the league that's not an egomaniac.

Unfortunately, he's doing exactly what he did during that winning season ("It's not just me, it's the team")... the problem is that sharing the blame is not as gracious and humble as sharing the praise.

I agree that most starting QB's are egomaniacs... but the elite ones do know how to hide it well. Look at Rodgers... if you just looked as his tv appearances, you'd think he was humble as hell.

>It's funny how you mentioned Peyton Manning. He's the worst in
>the NFL when it comes to hubris. In fact, if it weren't for
>his hubris he'd probably have more than one chip.

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263. "Another observation (on Gruden)..."
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Was it wise to keep just about ALL of the assistants (not related to Shanahan) from a 3-13 clusterfuck of a team?

Why do we all of a sudden expect major change, when only the head coach changed, but the dysfunctional organizational structure stayed the same?

What the fuck are Sean McVay's credentials as an OC and Grudens's as a head coach, where they get NO blame (all on Robert)?

  

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266. "yup"
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267. "Preach yo!"
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270. "Keen Peepology"
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Get out the room,
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276. "The offense has worked rather well without RG"
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>Was it wise to keep just about ALL of the assistants (not
>related to Shanahan) from a 3-13 clusterfuck of a team?
>
>Why do we all of a sudden expect major change, when only the
>head coach changed, but the dysfunctional organizational
>structure stayed the same?
>
>What the fuck are Sean McVay's credentials as an OC and
>Grudens's as a head coach, where they get NO blame (all on
>Robert)?


So that suggests the offensive system is pretty sound.

Haslett, on the other hand, is mediocre. He claimed Shanny was overruling him the last couple systems but it doesn't look like the defense is any better now that he's "unshackled".

In fairness to him, though, 2 of the leaders on the defense are hurt but his scheming seems haphazard.

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284. "Yurp!!!!"
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271. "Jay Gruden troubled by RG3's ‘fundamental flaws’ (link + excerpt)"
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I don't follow Wash football but does dude normally throw his players under the bus? True criticisms or not, this is not shit you say to media, tho I can't figure out by this article where these comments are being made.


Jay Gruden troubled by ongoing ‘fundamental flaws’ displayed by Robert Griffin III

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/11/17/jay-gruden-troubled-by-ongoing-fundamental-flaws-displayed-by-robert-griffin-iii/

Just from Robert’s perspective – you take everybody else out of the picture – Robert had some fundamental flaws. He did,” Gruden said Monday afternoon. “His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three on a couple of occasions. That can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up, stepped into pressure, he read the wrong side of the field a couple of times. So, from his basic performance just critiquing Robert, it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from that quarterback position

  

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272. "those quote are startling, but i am willing to trust him for now"
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the two justifications that i am reading are that RG3 needed a kick in the pants or that Gruden wanted to lay the foundation in Snyders mind for moving on. i am fine with either being the cause.

  

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273. "I think Griff needed to hear all of this. "
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He's constantly talked about being great, well how about just being average. He's not even doing the regular shit right, so how is he going to be great?

Get your footwork down, run the play as its called, all that shit. Stop talking about everyone else. Just work at getting better.

I love that he called him out and hope that this is the beginning of something better for the kid. Even if that better happens in another city, I want better things for this dude.

Also Griff has 6 games to show he can do the baseline shit, if not that's reason enough to use a draft pick and look to move on.

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278. "yup"
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yup.
yup.

  

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274. "that's not really "throwing someone under the bus""
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277. "exactly"
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also, headlines would make you believe that Gruden labeled RG3 the QB as "fundamentally flawed" when he was in fact referring to plays in that specific game. Anybody who watched it couldn't say with a straight face that Robert played well. He was terrible.

  

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279. "the reporting has been pretty misleading too"
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on paper what gruden says reads as pretty damning, but the audio is much more matter of fact and clearly in response to certain questions he's being asked.



  

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280. "http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/18/jay-grud..."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/18/jay-gruden-to-the-redskins-the-less-you-say-the-better/

"Over the past couple of days, a video clip taken mildly out of context from RGIII’s postgame news conference led to mildly misleading blog headlines, possibly (or possibly not) leading to a DeSean Jackson Instagram flap, leading to a Jay Gruden press conference rejoinder, leading to an RGIII Facebook and Twitter response, leading to a re-post of a re-post by Jackson.

I fuel my life force with the essence of social media, and even for me, this was all a bit much. So here’s Jay Gruden talking even more about the issue, with his message being that people should probably say less to the media. A message he delivered by talking to the media...."

  

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281. "Gah the dysfunction here is damning...."
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Everybody just needs to shut up. Stay off of social media period. Just go to work. You still got some time to salvage something out of this season, maybe not a playoff spot but at least not such a poor record.

  

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282. "I think this is part of the Gruden Learning Curve"
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He'll learn that there's no reason to address any of this in the media. Take the Bellicheck routine, say as little as possible and address the rest of that shit in the locker room.

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283. "3 Wins = Jaguars (1-9), Tenessee (2-8) and Dallas..."
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The team is bad. Don't get it twisted. And it's not just because of Robert. #BiggerThanRG3

  

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285. "Cooley confirms Bob-haters doubts with actual facts (swipes)"
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This is why Bob needs to stfu. We dont need to win ball games, we just need to see progress toward accomplishing basic quarterbacking tasks. The post is a good one by Steinberg.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/chris-cooley-rgiii-was-so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-redskins-offense/

“What we are going to do is we are going to give incomplete to the entire offense,” Cooley said. “Because I don’t know how to grade them….I can’t grade the pass game. Our quarterback does not allow a proper grading of the pass game, because there was something I’ve never seen go on on a football field before.

“There was a game plan initially installed, which was not run or operated in any way shape or form the way it should have been,” Cooley went on. “There was a quarterback not reading the field when he should have been, there was a quarterback scrambling when he ….You can’t grade anyone else around Robert because of the way Robert played.

  

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286. "Damn....Did the media dump this badly when Kirk played poorly?"
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Funny how a few soundbites will change everything. And this doesn't bode well for the next game against the 49ers. This whole week has been a large distraction. It needs to stop.

That is also some pretty sound evidence Cooley has on Robert. He's breaking down and turning into one of those shook QBs now. I almost feel bad for Robert because he is so behind where he should be in his 3rd year. Plus his posture doesn't look the same as his rookie year anymore to me. He used to stand tall in the pocket and was more decisive. Now he's more skittish to me.

This week has shown me a lot. Neither one of our drafted QBs is gonna succeed here and I honestly doubt that the next one we draft will either. If this org is gonna let the media go in on our players like this, then we don't deserve a good season.

  

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289. "the media infatuation with kirk was ridiculous but irrelevant."
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rg3 was a very expensive #2 draft pick. that impacts the media coverage. as does his inability to shush. Its not just what he said this week -which was clearly blown out of proportion. People been tired of his social medial presence and i defended it as him getting his money and doing him. but it aint working and he hasnt adjusted.

i agree that Bob is shook now. shanny "patrick ramsey/david carr"ed the dude by not getting a line that could pass block. It happens way too often. Those hits add up. And when bob gets hit he flops like a doll. He doesnt just fall like other QBs. He gets bent backwards or crushed.

Not sure what the team can do about cooley and others speaking out. What is on tape is on tape.

They should be able to tell joe theisman to be quiet tho and cant seem to do that.

  

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298. "RE: Damn....Did the media dump this badly when Kirk played poorly?"
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>This week has shown me a lot. Neither one of our drafted QBs
>is gonna succeed here and I honestly doubt that the next one
>we draft will either. If this org is gonna let the media go in
>on our players like this, then we don't deserve a good season.
>

You have no idea how close I am to just giving up on this organization. It starts at the top and nothing will change until we get a TRUE GM, not just somebody with the title.

So many times we passed on players that could help just because it's not a "splashy" thing to do. No excuse for this organization only drafting 2 offensive lineman in the first round the last 17 years, especially when it has been an area of major need.

The coaching hires, player personnel decisions, etc... I'm close to being done.

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287. "At this point Cooley is a shitty shock jock."
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I loved him when he played but his true assholery has come out since he retired.

  

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290. "true. his show is terrible. But casserly said the same thing."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/11/19/former-players-and-analysts-offer-advice-for-rgiii-shut-up-and-play/

“Well, I’ll tell you what, this is on a path of destruction right now,” Casserly said. “First of all, when you watch RGIII play, this was the worst game I’ve ever seen him play. Jay Gruden talked about the negatives, I don’t have to go through them any more, but this is the worst game I’ve ever seen him play. I think number one, RGIII has got to have three-word, or three-sentence press conferences and then cut it off right there. ‘Hey, I didn’t play well enough’ — that’s it. And then stop rambling on about the rest of the football team. You gotta stop there. And Jay Gruden, I think what Jay did, Jay felt, I think, he had to get the team back for the things that RGIII said. So I think that’s why he did that. He may have thought he went a little too far, but neither one is giving you good sound bites.”


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291. "He had a shitty game."
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He's not progressed much this year.

The rest is meaningless talk radio garbage that has nothing to do with why this team loses.

  

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296. "^This"
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The game before Cooley was praising RGIII

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292. "he's ON when he's talking X's and O's."
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The rest I can do without.

  

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293. "yep."
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294. "his comments above do not really show that."
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295. "what am i missing?"
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outside of the worst game evar! hyperbole, he broke down what was supposed to happen, why it should have worked and why it didnt work.

  

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300. "Kinda"
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he broke down the INTs, but he has no idea what the game plan was or what Bob's progression should have been on any given play.

Cooley should also know all about a QB having to play behind a terrible OL. Almost every QB in the league short of future HOFers gets gun shy and has trouble with progressions when the OL is as bad as this one is.

Not once in those 5,000 words did Cooley acknowledge how bad the OL is, and how that will lead almost any QB to do exactly what Bob is doing wrong: bailing too early, not getting all your reads, and shitty mechanics.

In that article he is basically blaming Bob for everything.

>he will not allow you to get better as a player,
>the way he played in this one week.

Oh word? Does Bob get to say that about the offensive line who was missing its only decent player? Or do only skill position players get to blame someone else?

>Based on that performance, it’s a real struggle to
>continue to grow as an entire group of guys.

f u Cooley. Go back to defending the racist ass name.

  

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288. "Yeah, listening to the audio is even worse than the article (Cooley)"
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Cooley has some good information there, but he's adding a bunch of other "shock jock" schtick trying to pile on to Robert.

We get it. That was probably his worse game as a quarterback for the team, but to have it aired out on the radio like that, but this is pretty unprecedented in terms of putting shit out there and piling on a player for a bad outing. Just for ratings and shock. I mean seriously did we do this for Kirk's 5 INT outing?

I mean, yes he said some ill-advised shit during a press conference after a BAD loss to a BAD team. But this organization is a depressing joke and it isn't Robert's fault. We didn't just start sucking, the moment he was drafted, like we had this great tradition of winning.

We are doing the same shit that we have been doing for the last 15+ years. What's ironic is we are now revisiting the Donovan McNabb years, in terms of saying he can't run the offense, he isn't prepared to play, that they are stripping out a bunch of the offense and running a simplified (day one training camp - listen to the audio) scheme, because Robert can't/won't put in the work. Ironic, because Donovan called that shit when the team drafted him.

Also, ironic because Robert himself rebuffed Donovan's advice and really distanced himself and now here we are...

  

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297. "Liz Clark deaded the press conference stuff yesterday on the TK Show"
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She said RGIII came out, took blame for everything and then the Q&A started. She said the media isn't being fair and they're taking a few things out of context and running with it.

She also said, some of his comments were in comparison with his rookie season.

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319. "all coded terms for lazy black qb"
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he needs to get out before it's too late.

  

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299. "Bomani Jones is going ALL IN right now!!!!"
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301. "what did he say?"
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"To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache�He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on RG3

  

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305. "Lank, discussion starts at the 9:20 mark"
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http://html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/3190305/theme/standard/autonext/no/width/650/height/750/thumbnail/yes

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309. "lol. he gave them the business. And was 100% right."
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323. "meh, bomani was doing his slick shit"
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bomani has decided he's going down on the SS Robert. When that happens, he starts talking real fast, refuses to let anyone else speak, and chile grapes any arguments against him, rather than deal with the facts. keep in mind i think RG3 is worth saving and Gruden's an idiot, but only a fool would deny he's not playing great right now.

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302. "i trust donovan mcnabb's opinion (link)"
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i missed this but, apparently gruden apologized to rgiii? if he did, that's a piece of sh*t move on gruden's part.

http://www.foxsports.com/watch/fox-sports-live/video/would-donovan-mcnabb-accept-jay-gruden-s-apology-hell-no-111914?vid=361120323768

Would Donovan McNabb Accept Jay Gruden's Apology? "Hell No!"

NOV 20 2014 2:15AM ET

First Jay Gruden publicly criticizes Robert Griffin III, then he apologizes. So, from one franchise quarterback to another, Donovan McNabb, defends RGIII and calls out the Redskins coach.

  

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303. ""i trust donovan mcnabb's opinion""
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#SaidNoOneEver

  

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304. "do you have anything to add?"
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from what i can tell, mcnabb hasn't proven to be untrustworthy in this situation.

  

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306. "isn't you... aren't you the head coach © McNabb"
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>i missed this but, apparently gruden apologized to rgiii? if
>he did, that's a piece of sh*t move on gruden's part.
>
>http://www.foxsports.com/watch/fox-sports-live/video/would-donovan-mcnabb-accept-jay-gruden-s-apology-hell-no-111914?vid=361120323768
>
>Would Donovan McNabb Accept Jay Gruden's Apology? "Hell No!"
>
> NOV 20 2014 2:15AM ET
>
>First Jay Gruden publicly criticizes Robert Griffin III, then
>he apologizes. So, from one franchise quarterback to another,
>Donovan McNabb, defends RGIII and calls out the Redskins
>coach.

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307. "I truly loathe Donovan McNabb"
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I can't take anything seriously that piece of shit says.

  

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308. "Chances that we upset the Niners this week?"
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The skins would be more frustrating if they were truly terrible. but they arent. They'll miss williams if he is out. Ryan Clark will probably get abused somemore, but i think they'll be just good enough to keep it close and make you think 8-8 was possible.

  

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310. "i know i'm crazy"
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but for some reason i feel like this is the game we win.

  

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311. "If Colt was playing maybe but nah"
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This shit's beyond 'mess' status

  

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312. "20%"
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Too much drama this week for a win to happen. Not like this team is good.

  

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313. "Maybe Jay Gruden should shut up too"
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The shit-storm from earlier in the week passes and what does he did? He talked to the media saying "the clock is ticking on Robert" and the "he (RGIII) had auditioned long enough."

Don't tell me this shit isn't personal because it sure does sound like some scapegoat shit.

Maybe Jay should reevaluate his decision to keep Hasslet because that has been far more damning.
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314. "With comments that damning, I think he has a desire outcome in mind:"
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Gruden is trying to save his reputation with his other 52 guys, as it's clear the rest of the team can't stand Griffin. To go THAT IN, yea, this bamma Griff is not popular.

  

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315. "Is Griff really not that popular with his teammates?"
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Or is it the coaches that have beef with him? Desean Jackson doesn't seem to have a problem with him. Is it just him and Desean that's cool? Does the rest of the locker room really not like him? I just gotta hear what the rest of the team has to say about it cause they have been the only ones not really piling on him this week. I dunno.

  

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325. "you can be well liked and struggle at your job."
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imo, being "popular" is irrelevant.

got a few coworkers in my org right now who care a lot about our mission, are charismatic and seemingly get along with a lot of people.

They also are kinda not good at their jobs. In the end, i would be thrilled for them to have less responsibility for the direction of the org.

The same can be true for Robert. No matter how popular he is, at some point you want to compete and get Ws when games are winnable or else folks start not wanting to work with you.

That said, if i were a team with an aging starter - Den, NE, NO, SD, NYG, Pit, Dal - i'd do what i could to scoop dude up. Let him sit for 2-3 years out of the spotlight and pressure and prep him to take over the team.

  

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331. "That is not my point though"
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What does Gruden need to stick up for the rest of the locker room for if he feels that Griffin is such a cancer?

Not being good at your job and being a cancer are two totally different things. He's also doing a character assassination on dude saying that he doesn't work hard.

  

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334. "does Bob have to be a cancer for gruden to have spoken out?"
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i am trying to understand what you are getting at.

When did Gruden say he was lazy? i heard him say that Griff is not at the park all of the time. lazy and not last one to leave are different. i dont think anyone would claim that griff doesnt get himself in the best physical shape he can. whether or not he is studying the most film he could is a different story.

We've heard stories of Kirk staying after practice to get throws in. Not that it helped him make better decisions - but maybe bob could be doing more of that.

  

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317. "Told my boy this yesterday"
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>Gruden is trying to save his reputation with his other 52
>guys, as it's clear the rest of the team can't stand Griffin.
>To go THAT IN, yea, this bamma Griff is not popular.

His teammates don't like him. Public comments from D Jax or whoever else aside, Jay wouldn't be poppin' shit like this unless he had to save his own credibility in the locker room. I'm not sure how he goes in on a well liked QB and captain without some blowback from other guys or a risk that he might lose others. I'm trusting that he has his finger on the pulse of the rest of the locker room and this is all calculated.

  

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318. "i keep hearing this from but, where is the proof?"
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or is it just regurgitated trumped up nonsense?

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320. "it's nonsense"
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nobody knows shit.

when a team and a franchise suck, this kind of drama happens (or is made up), not the other way around.

  

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316. "everything Gruden has said since the TB loss"
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I support 100%. He's spitting those truth flames and people are scared of getting burnt.

  

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321. "holy shit this team sucks."
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This week it was the QB and OL looking like they should be cut today.

Wonder who it will be next week?

  

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324. "I hope they don't resign RGIII "
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326. "How people can follow this team and..."
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>I'm tired of him being scapegoated.

...continue to point to this QB as the core problem is beyond me.

They're doing the same shit they've been doing for the last 15+ years. This latest "regime change" wasn't even a Regime Change (they getting lazy/cheap) All they did was fire the head coach, his son, and a couple of other people and then shifted other people around to different roles on the coaching staff. That's it!

Add two more receivers (which weren't the issue)and expect everything to change....

During the 6 games Robert missed, they weren't lighting the world on fire. We had pretty much the same issues with the o-line, the only difference was in the way it affected the QB play...

Robert takes sacks to avoid INT's/turnovers and Kirk throws INT's to avoid sacks.

Neither can function as a fully realized NFL quarterback in this toxic environment.

Ultimately, the team doesn't deserve a Robert Griffin. It has been painful watching this young man's career get wrecked because of the franchise that drafted him. People called it and that shit came to fruition.

I don't think Gruden is the answer, by any stretch and we should have had a clue when he came in and the team didn't clean house. The team wanted to save money and not have to pay the rest of Shanahan's staff so they decide to keep the same group that brought you 6-10, 5-11 and 3-13 in 3 of the previous 4 years...

Yeah, right.

  

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327. "boom"
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>Robert takes sacks to avoid INT's/turnovers and Kirk throws INT's to avoid sacks.

  

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330. "You know what is crazy"
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I'm hearing people bring Cousins back up again saying "he could have the upside going forward." That dude is a mental midget.

And if you want the organization to hitch its wagon to Colt McCoy, a QB Cleveland didn't want and was pretty much out of the league. Well, good luck with that.

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329. "Toxic is a perfect term and here is why I knew Gruden would fail"
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Let's keep it real, the Skins wanted his brother and figured, WTH his last name is Gruden too.

After he was hired there were rumblings (Jon Gruden even leaked this) that Cousins might "fit" Jay's system better. That sent up a HUGE red flag with me.

Why would you hire a coach who thinks the back-up QB fits his system better? You go after a coach who has a system (or is willing to adjust) works with your QB's skillset. Hello Darrell Bevell!!!!

I heard that deep down inside Gruden was hoping RGIII would get hurt and then Cousins would show how the system really works, and the rest would be history.

Well we've seen how that played out so Gruden is in scramble mode. Trying to show "he still has the locker room" by calling out RGIII. I honestly think Gruden is throwing up a big FU to RGIII right now and forcing RGIII to fit.

Just look at the game plan - few screens, no rolling pocket, etc...



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351. "lol"
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"I heard that deep down inside Gruden was hoping RGIII would get hurt and then Cousins would show how the system really works, and the rest would be history."

Your arguments against Gruden are as delusional as the anti-RG3 people you hate on sports radio

  

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359. "Reported by the Skins beat reporter"
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363. "oh, so the Skins beat reporter"
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...knows what's "deep down inside Gruden"??? Pause aside, he's in the wrong business then, he should definitely be working for the government

  

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328. "yep"
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322. "*signs up for the RG3 reclamation project*"
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332. "Why do y'all refuse to believe he blows tho "
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I mean yes the line sucks, and the defense sucks too...but these receivers get open dude I'm telling you. Colt McCoy moved the ball here.

  

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333. "This actually is correct. "
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I just don't like the media mistreatment though. No reason for one press conference to blow out of proportion like it has. I'll even agree that he's a narcissist but I really don't like the learn your place attitude that has been thrown his way. None of this should have ever gotten hold in the media, at least not until after he leaves. Handle that shit in house. Have some class about your drama. Don't let it drag out to the media because then it affects everybody, even fans of the team.

But yeah, watching him play now is cringing to say the least. Dude could at least learn to throw the ball away. I liked the fact that he can throw an accurate deep ball, a skill that not too many folks possess, but yeah his coverage reads are horrible. I want the best for dude, but its concerning that he hasn't shown at least a little bit of progress in the past year or so. But this place is draining. Careers get killed here. RG3's is about done. Gruden's will be too in another year or so. Media is not your friend. Hopefully there is a coach and players out there who won't bite into all the attention.

  

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335. "Because it's too early to throw in the towel"
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Plus he's had success.

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339. "Because he only has 33 starts"
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and you don't give up on a player with his potential after 33 starts.

And please don't ever mention Colt McCoy's name again.

Thanks

  

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341. "People are so willing to gloss over this and the fact he's been succesfu..."
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This is why if they dump him, I'm done with this organization because they're so short sighted.

From 2000 - 2012 this organization's record is 82 - 111. RGIII helped lead this team to the playoffs his rookie season. Something that only happened two other times since 2000.

Now combine this with the fact he's had 2 major leg injuries that he's rushed back from over that stretch - I've expected him to struggle.

Toxic was used to describe this organization and that's the perfect word for it. What other organization drafts a franchise QB and from the first start of his second season, people are calling for him to be benched. The same guy that led you to the playoffs the year before...

This organization.

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344. "I get that dude. But something is very clearly NOT right."
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345. "and you've decided it never will be right and you want to move on"
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right?

  

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352. "it happens more often than you think"
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" What other organization drafts a franchise QB and from the first start of his second season, people are calling for him to be benched."

  

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355. "And how many of them are any good?"
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336. "A solid RATIONAL article about rebuilding the O-Line"
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From here:
http://www.hogshaven.com/2014/11/24/7277495/redskins-2015-offensive-line-overhaul-preview

Redskins 2015 Offensive Line Overhaul Preview

It's no secret that the Redskins offensive line is about as rotten as a a piece of Swiss cheese that is left in the sun for a week in temperatures over 90 degrees. It's also no secret that the quarterback who is asked to set up behind this offensive line seems to be struggling with confidence issues - be it Kirk Cousins or Robert Griffin. The only one who has been able to weather the shit storm has been Colt McCoy, who happened to pass for 299 yards with zero touchdowns and one interception in route to a victory against the Dallas Cowboys on a Monday night in late September. The game plan was short, quick passing routes(something McCoy thrives doing), and even then, he was still sacked three times. McCoy did play some against the Titans as well, and was sacked twice in that game in just 12 dropbacks.

All the Redskins fans out there calling for the backup to the backup to take over the reigns in D.C. amidst this disaster of a season, really need to take a look at the real culprit behind our offensive woes - the offensive line.

How do we fix this mess of an offensive line?

The first step is to purge ourselves of poor players, and poor contracts.

- Tyler Polumbus - UFA(this move has already started, and I see no way Polumbus is brought back)
- Chris Chester - One year remaining(4.3 million cap hit - 1.7 dead money)
- Kory Lichtensteiger - Three years remaining(4.3 million cap hit in 2014)

The next step is to utilize free agency wisely. We seriously missed the boat in 2014, as the offensive line class was tremendous. 2015 is not shaping up to be anywhere near as strong as last year, but it still has potential prospects who can help this team out:

OT (age when season starts in 2015):
- Bryan Bulaga(age 26)
- Orlando Franklin(age 27) - can also play G
- Byron Bell(age 26)
- Joe Barksdale(age 27)

Guard:
- Mike Iupati(age 28)
- James Carpenter(age 26) - can also play RT

Center:
- Stefen Wisniewski(age 26) - can also play G
- Rodney Hudson(age 26)

If we can land one or two key free agents, we can then begin to focus on some of the young talent we have on our team, and by what I have seen(or haven't seen) so far this season, we have two potential replacements in offensive tackle Morgan Moses and offensive guard Spencer Long.

Moses is a work in progress, but he has shown some glimpses of potential so far this season in limited action. Most knew when he was drafted that he was not an immediate plug-and-play guy, but with some good coaching, he could become an effective offensive tackle; it was just a question of how soon he could be ready. Now, with the benching of Tyler Polumbus and the injury to Trent Williams, both Moses and Tom Compton have been thrust into action. Both have struggled equally, but the ceiling looks to be much higher on Moses. The snaps he is getting this season, which were not expected, may help to expedite his maturation process into our starting right tackle of the future.

Spencer Long is a bit harder to judge. He's not played a meaningful snap, and by all accounts, won't for the remainder of the season. The offseason strength and conditioning program will be key for him, as will OTA's and mini-camps, but he certainly has the size and mentality to be an effective starting guard in the league.

The 2015 NFL Draft:

The draft is always fun to project, and with a full compliment of picks next year, and a likely high first rounder, options should be available to upgrade the offensive line. Below are some potential prospects and an early round projection of where they could be selected next spring.

Tackle:
- Brandon Scheriff - Iowa 6'5" 320 Round 1
- Andrus Peat - Stanford 6'7" 312 Round 1
- La'el Collins - LSU 6'5" 321 Round 1
- Spencer Drango - Baylor 6'5" 315 Round 2
- Ty Sambrailo - Colorado St. 6'5" 315 Round 2
- T.J. Clemmings - Pitt 6'5" 305 Round 2

Center:
- Hroniss Grasu - Oregon 6'3" 297 Round 2
- Reese Dismukes - Auburn 6'3" 296 Round 2

Have faith that a turn-around can happen in just one season, but make no mistake, it has to start with the offensive line.

  

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337. "If the over/under on skins wins is one what is your bet?"
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Two winnable games against the rams and eagles at home... i'd prolly take the under.

  

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338. "November Draft Talk"
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Seems like a lot of people - for his or the teams sake - are ready for robert to move on.

Assuming he is gone and we have a top 6 pick - what position do you draft for?

The mocks i've seen have a top 1-2 OT or QB available. Winston is a possibility...

imo,keep cousins and colt who on reasonable contracts are prolly worse placeholder QBs than orton, but better than the likes of austin davis or fitzpatrick and build up the line. If you can get a day one starter at RT, then maybe they look at moses as a guard and him and long compete compete for a starting gig.

thoughts?



  

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340. "You can't give up Bob unless you have another good plan for QB"
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It is nearly impossible to be decent in this league without a very, very good QB.

For a million reasons, this is not the year to ditch Bob.

And regardless of who is the QB over the next 10 years, this offensive needs to be improved, a lot, quickly.

  

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342. "You can draft or sign all the QBs you want"
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343. "Yea tha's the problem"
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The line is terrible.

We've been saying this for years, its just that now there's no system like Shanahan's to cover it up.

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346. "and the defense is terrible"
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and the only reason the WRs are good is free agency.

how badly has this team managed draft picks? jesus christ.

  

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348. "This years offense in atlanta is a good example."
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the way their line has been obliterated with injury they just cant put up the numbers that they used to.

Another young QB would be just as likely to fail as Robert and probably not as talented.

  

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349. "i assume that he is gone regardless of what is right. "
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353. "we'll know at the end of the season"
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but even if RG3 sh*ts the bed I bet a dime to a dollar he's back. He may have to compete for his job but he'll be back

  

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347. "So one thing that might come up later with Gruden"
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I noticed this with First Round Talent Al earlier in the year, he's consistently killed people's confidence either with thinly veiled shots through the media or just straight up moving the gameplan away from a player.

I say that because I watched Alf go through like a 6-8 game lack luster slide. Then all of a sudden they came back to him with a run heavy gameplan, and he's been rewarding them with fantastic efforts and looks like the same Alf.

We're watching him tear Griff down in a way that i'm not sure he'll be able to come back from though.

I'm worried that Gruden isn't the motivator that thsi team needs. I think we're starting to see the cracks with Pierre. If this continues there might be more.

I think we chose the wrong Cincy Coordinator.

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350. "i def would have prefered a DC for head coach."
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>I noticed this with First Round Talent Al earlier in the
>year, he's consistently killed people's confidence either with
>thinly veiled shots through the media or just straight up
>moving the gameplan away from a player.

>I say that because I watched Alf go through like a 6-8 game
>lack luster slide. Then all of a sudden they came back to him
>with a run heavy gameplan, and he's been rewarding them with
>fantastic efforts and looks like the same Alf.

its disappointing that the running game isnt as good as it was. But the knock on Gruden from Cincy followers coming in was that he wasnt consistent enough with the run. He hasn't balanced it out by getting the most (or anything) out of the passing game so the offense is stuck.

>We're watching him tear Griff down in a way that i'm not sure
>he'll be able to come back from though.

like i've said, where there is smoke there is fire. Dude might have needed a bit of a reality check.

>I'm worried that Gruden isn't the motivator that thsi team
>needs. I think we're starting to see the cracks with Pierre.
>If this continues there might be more.

Pierre is a diva WR (no surprise) whose first QB was Peyton. The bar for QB play was set kinda high with him. Last year there was talk of Pierre having beef with RG3 - he was constantly getting open and showing his frustrations on the field despite his league high reception total, so his frustrations may have nothing to do with Gruden.

>I think we chose the wrong Cincy Coordinator.

I think Gruden can figure this out - part of that will be letting Haslett go sooner than later - but getting a defensive minded coach and a legit OC is a strong formula that would have been better.

  

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354. "two things"
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"We're watching him tear Griff down in a way that i'm not sure he'll be able to come back from though."

(1) I think you're overstating how Gruden is handling RG3
(2) I think you're underestimating RG3's self-belief

  

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356. "Robert Griffin is not good says Greg Cosell"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-film-review--robert-griffin-iii-s-issues-214738329.html

EDIT:

And if I may add, you look at these pictures and you can start to figure out why his teammates would get pissed.

  

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357. "blah blah blah"
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As with the Cooley article, this is poorly organized, takes a handful of bad plays and extrapolates them to silly conclusions, and has one bad non-sequitur after another.

Bob is playing like shit right now but dude went from bad footwork to "becoming a new QB" to questioning drafting anyone who's not a traditional QB, period.

ffs.

Slow down there Junior Cosell.

>And if I may add, you look at these pictures and you can start to figure
> out why his teammates would get pissed.

Come on.

Your QB is playing like shit. So is the OL. So is the entire defense. So is the coaching staff. If any player on this team holds Bob responsible, they should watch film of our "offensive tackles" and probably just chill.

Bob is learning to be a pocket QB, a new offense, and has had 32 major injuries in a 2 year period.

WTF is everyone else's excuse?

  

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358. "Here is the thing. "
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We get it, he needs work. But why would his teammates be pissed at him and not Kirk? Kirk was doing the same thing missing wide open receivers. You even said this yourself that Kirk was doing this.

Robert does have a lot of work to do. We see that. We get it. But its also no reason to keep piling on his flaws. That is not right. That kills confidence. Something that is desperately needed in the QB position. Both Kirk and Robert need a lot of time and assistance and it should be no reason to be so split on both. They are both deeply flawed. But neither one should have their careers thrown away either and sadly, this is what has happened to the both of them.

  

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366. "Kirk's problem was INTs"
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not throwing 106 total yards over four quarters

  

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369. "So he lost pretty BFD"
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382. "WRs tend to not be as angry"
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If they get their yards and TDs when they're open

  

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360. "Just reported RGIII benched, McCoy to start"
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361. "If this team just drowned in the ocean then whatever. Terps won btw."
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362. "Colt McCoy to get the start at Indy"
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That soughtafter Griff vs. Luck match-up isn't going to happen.

They say Griff is still in the long term plans of the team but this week he's on the bench.

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364. "Colt will inevitably lose"
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And maybe even lose badly. I don't root against my own team but maybe this will at least silence the anti-RG3 contingent.

  

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365. "OF COURSE HE WILL!!!!"
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There's no other way

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367. "this fucking team"
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the problem is your young, injury prone QB not having good enough mechanics and or experience running the offense.

So you bench him towards the end of a meaningless season for a career back up?

This is the first time I think Gruden is truly fucking up.

  

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368. "IMO you cannot go back to RGIII after this"
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370. "rgiii needs to get the fuck outta dodge"
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maybe this is part of his/the plan moving forward. imo,
he should demand a trade after the season...this
'organization' is a mess.


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371. "Just like they did Cousins"
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The organization pretty much devalued both assets so they have little to no trade value.

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372. "how is it the organizations fault?"
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These guys played themselves out of jobs. Bob at least has the injury excuse.

Kirk was given a shot to take the job and blew it. had he been good enough his trade value would have been irrelevant cuz he'd be our starter next year.

  

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373. "Kurt is 100% on the organization"
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They played him thus exposed him. His value was high when there was this great "unknown."

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375. "his value was never as high as fans thought or he woulda been traded."
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he was drafted in the fourth and that was about what he was worth. he is still probably worth about that much given that he showed he could run an offense.

  

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378. "Maybe you could say this if RGIII wasn't injury prone. But I don't see"
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how you could stand behind this comment when you consider how many games Bob has missed. You can't trade a quality backup when you starter can't stay upright, period.

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381. "i agree which is why i dont think they diminished his value. "
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he was always more valuable to us a a backup than he was as a trade chip. Unless someone blew them away with a 2nd round pick (which wasnt going to happen) you had to evaluate kirk to see what you had in him.

  

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374. "how about clearing out the coaching staff"
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in lieu of the shanahan experiment by not keeping the same shitty
structure in place? how about drafting some beasty o-linemen
instead of wasting draft picks?


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376. "Allen drafted two lineman and signed a 3rd. "
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They took action to address that weakness. Didnt work out in one year well in year one but the effort was there.

re: coaching - haslett has to go. i dont debate that. But McVay was well regarded around the league and because Cincy made a playoff run, the team was at a disadvantage when hiring staff.

Gruden is showing this season that he is not afraid to make tough decisions. Lets see what he does this offseason to improve the coaching talent.



  

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377. "Two mid round picks and a free agent who sucked before he got here. "
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He hasn't done much for the OL.

Drafting mid round prospects is for depth. It does nothing for how bad the OL has been under his watch.

Tyler Polumbus was still starting (!)

  

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380. "he used the picks that he had."
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moses was a second round value when he was taken. He could have used the Murphy pick on him, but was still able to get him in the 3rd.

Lavao stinks but its not like they didnt use the resources at their disposal to improve the line. Even if these guys end up as depth guys, we didnt have back ups or starters worth keeping before. now we might.

They are basically a first round OT and a free agent guard away from a competent line.

  

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386. "Moses is not 2nd round talent though"
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He was a project, as mid round guys are, and he's shown that so far.

In Bruce Allen's tenure, offensive line has not been adequately addressed.

Not really sure how that's debatable.

  

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385. "I don't think Gruden played to these guys strengths...at all...."
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Making Kirk throw 30+ times a game was a bad idea and Gruden never adjusted that. Kirk isn't great but he can be at least a good game manager, use the run game. Plus he keeps Helu out there for extended periods of time and that man can't block for nothing. Both players seemed to do better with rolling pockets, something Gruden never experimented with.

I don't blame Allen for this mess as much as I blame the coaching staff...The entire coaching staff. This season has not been a good learning environment for none of the players. Gruden doesn't show enough class with handling his players. Any problem you have with them, you keep in house. He threw Robert under the bus, deserving or not, you shouldn't do it. He even threw some shade at Morris when he was struggling. And it was his fault Morris was struggling. Glad he is playing the rookie OL now, they probably should have been playing earlier though.

All I am saying is work with what you got. You got two young QBs. They might not be the best in the world but that is what you got to work with. Maybe Gruden can't handle all the responsibilities of being a head coach. That very well could be possible at the moment.

  

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379. "Bob has sucked but if he gets traded this offseason, he wins."
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He's going to get another chance to start somewhere, and there's like a 90% chance the organization he goes to won't be as big of a mess as the 'Skins.

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383. "Go read Jason Reid's Twitter timeline today."
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Dan Snyder is the worst owner in American sports
Bruce Allen is incompetent

But...

Robert Griffin is a brat too

  

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384. "Anyone noticing all the articles like Bob being gone is assured???"
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Grantland had a piece on the top ten destinations for RGIII after this season.

There have been at least a couple of columnists in the Post who have basically jumped ship and said he needs to go, and have started talking as if him being gone is all but a technicality.

I don't see how you have an organization that allows that much loose talk around their franchise guy, and expect him to succeed in any way.

I mean, these articles wouldn't be out there if people from the org haven't been talking right? Or just the overall culture that management has allowed?

I say all that to say that the org is a mess. From top down, I see nothing but sloppiness in how matters are handled on and off the field.

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387. "I actually think the team is trying (and failing)"
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to put out the comments that "bob is definitely in the team's future" in a weak attempt to pretend they're not going to dump him this offseason.

I think all the articles you reference are simply looking at the facts.

If Bob is really in your plans then this move, for a back up like Colt McCoy, makes zero sense.

  

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388. "I'd like an explanation of the following "
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Sam Bradford
Matt Stafford
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389. "HA! Them dudes got hella time to work it out. "
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Stafford at least got Megatron though to work with......

  

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390. "<---- Coming through with that REAL RAP"
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>Sam Bradford

He's the Rams first legit QB hope since Bulger. Therefore, he deserves a chance to repeatedly start.

>Matt Stafford

He was injury prone but Calvin Johnson inflated his stats to the point they had to keep him. In addition to that, name all of the great Lions QBs. No shots at the Lions but they had to rebuild. Plus, they were coming off an 0-16 season at one point so Statpadford helped stabilize the position. <--- This is the glue guy plea cop.

>Jake Locker

He's a white, has a strong arm, is a prototypical passer, is a traditional QB, and has all the tools QB evaluators love. Notice the fan base didn't push him out either... No shots at all Washington team fans but from the outside looking in, there's a sect that wants a traditional QB at the helm.

  

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391. "Bradford and Stafford are kind of good dude."
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392. "and neither has had a year like RG3's rookie year"
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even if it wasn't a traditional QB year.

so you've got one of the best rookie seasons of all time, and two years of injuries.

only a short sighted, poorly run franchise would run a dude out of town this quickly after spending four draft picks on him. and it's being done by a first year coach with almost no credentials whatsoever.

this is yet another another half-assed, no planned, short sighted, poorly managed, aimless chapter in the book of Dan Snyder's R*dskins.

  

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393. "This team is"
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A feces fire, inside a dumpster fire, on top of a barge fire.
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394. "You are correct!"
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395. "2nd Q update: Colt sucks, too"
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396. "Want to know the sad thing"
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Listening to the post game and apparently the organization doesn't think there is an issue with the offensive line.


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397. "Scary."
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...

my thoughts,

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398. "This thread is full of WTF"
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Allow me to state a fact -

RG3 is one of the worst QBs in recent Redskins history.

Note that I used the present tense. Meaning, as he is now. Specifically, what I mean is that there is a very clear and logical dividing line separating the two phases of RG3's career: pre-ACL (i.e. 2012) and post-ACL (i.e. 2013-2014). RG3 is 3-14 (.176) since 2012. He has had more touchdowns than turnovers only 4 times during that 17 game stretch.

Advanced stats tell us the same thing. In 2012, Griffin had 727 DYAR (48/game) according to Footballoutsiders. In 2013, he had -60 (-6/game). In 2014, he has -250 (-63/game). In 2012, prior to tweaking his knee on the Ngata hit, he played in 13 games. In those 13 games, he had only 4 games with a negative DYAR, and he had 4 games of 100+ DYAR. He has played 20 games since then, with 11 of them having negative DYAR and 0 games of 100+ DYAR.

In short, he has sucked, and it's not just 1 or 2 games. It's not just Tampa Bay and San Francisco. It's a trend. He was awful against Philly and San Fran last year, and had maybe the worst game of his career against Denver last year (how soon we forget? 4 turnovers in 3 quarters, and only 1 actual scoring drive by the offense all game).

RG3 through 32 starts: 11W-21L (34%). DYAR/game: 13
Jason Campbell through 32: 14-18 (43%). DYAR/game: 26
Rex Grossman through 16 starts: 6-10 (37%). DYAR/game: -2
Brunell through 33 starts: 15-18 (45%). DYAR/game: 19

In short, RG3 got the least done with the most talent. REX GROSSMAN went 6-10 with a team with markedly less talent. Let that sink in.

We're not going to regret giving up on RG3 because he is not a good QB. He is not going to be a success story. The Jacksonville injury should have been a wakeup call to the RG3 fanclub - even if he were to turn out to have franchise QB level talent (a huge stretch at this point, but maybe someone believed that at that point in his career), he will never be healthy for long enough to capitalize on it.

Is RG3 really just a "talented" QB who got "ruined" by the Redskins? Or is he a guy who got drafted for all the wrong reasons? Maybe it turns out that it's not a good idea to draft a QB who runs a 4.3 and who spent his college career throwing to what looks like a HOF WR (Josh Gordon) and 2 other potential Pro Bowlers (Kendall Wright, Terrance Williams) against the likes of Sam Houston State?

  

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399. "This proves you don't know what you're talking about"
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>In short, RG3 got the least done with the most talent. REX
>GROSSMAN went 6-10 with a team with markedly less talent. Let
>that sink in.
>

Especially when the preceding information is this:

>RG3 through 32 starts: 11W-21L (34%). DYAR/game: 13
>Jason Campbell through 32: 14-18 (43%). DYAR/game: 26
>Rex Grossman through 16 starts: 6-10 (37%). DYAR/game: -2
>Brunell through 33 starts: 15-18 (45%). DYAR/game: 19
>

What your "analysis" should show you is that this team was a dumpster fire before RGIII got there and to expect ONE player to turn it around is insane.

Also, I'd like you to explain the "most talent" comment. They have better WRs but the rest is hot garbage as usual.

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400. "RE: This proves you don't know what you're talking about"
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>Especially when the preceding information is this:
>
>>RG3 through 32 starts: 11W-21L (34%). DYAR/game: 13
>>Jason Campbell through 32: 14-18 (43%). DYAR/game: 26
>>Rex Grossman through 16 starts: 6-10 (37%). DYAR/game: -2
>>Brunell through 33 starts: 15-18 (45%). DYAR/game: 19
>>
>
>What your "analysis" should show you is that this team was a
>dumpster fire before RGIII got there and to expect ONE player
>to turn it around is insane.
>
>Also, I'd like you to explain the "most talent" comment. They
>have better WRs but the rest is hot garbage as usual.
>

Exactly. The TEAM has been managed horribly throughout this period. And when that's the case, as it has been, to the extent that it has been, this is NOT the environment to develop a quarterback, nor any position really. There has been so much turnover in leadership (coaching/player personnel). They've changed schemes so often, drafted players and played them out of position to serve those ever-changing schemes (Orakpo, Landry, even Taylor etc...), fucking up their development. Chasing shiny new free agents from other teams (Achueleta, Stubblefield, Trotter, DJax etc...) while letting their own leave (Pierce, Clark etc...). You can't put that all on Robert.

Speaking of Desean. I realize he is a great talent, but he was highly unnecessary for this team. They had SO MANY holes (O-Line, Secondary etc...) and here they go again signing ANOTHER big-name free agent like we were only one player away. All that does is create excitement among the fanbase which leads to unrealistic expectations, then when the team fucks up on the field everybody starts pointing at the quarterback, like "why do you suck so much?". You don't build a team like that and this organization has never learned this lesson.

Not to mention how the signing of Desean impacted Pierre's game. Garcon was just coming off of a career year, and then we go and sign another receiver to challenge for his spot as the top guy (unnecessary). I know the quarterback play has not been top notch, but you can even see in other numbers (targets) that the gameplan is to try and get the ball to Desean at the sacrifice of Garcon, messing with team chemistry you are trying to build.




  

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405. "And they signed Jackson after they signed Roberts"
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401. "The defense has actually gotten much worse since 2012"
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But nobody wants to talk about that shit. Its all Robert's fault.

  

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402. "you think at 33 games this is the most he will progress. ever."
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half of them played with or just off serious injury.

noted.

I don't know how good he will be, but he will get better, and will sure as shit be better than Colt McCoy or Kirk Cousins.

narrow, short-sighted thinking like yours means he will do it in another city. good for him.



  

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406. "Don't worry I still hear people saying Cousins has the biggest upside"
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It's like their short-term memory doesn't function when it comes to him. I've even heard somebody say the only reason Cousins performed poorly was because of the pressure to perform with RGIII looking over his shoulder.

That once RGIII is gone, Cousins will shine.

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407. "LOLZ"
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blaming Bob for the fact that Cousins sucks?

man that is next-level hate.

  

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409. "That one brought to you by Kevin Sheehan"
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410. "that guy is an idiot"
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403. "Gruden is Tommy Boy"
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the decision bench RG3 is one of the dumber things I've seen this franchise do.

  

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404. "It was a panic decision"
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One that clearly didn't work, next week though, when folks have 2 games worth of meaningful tape on Colt McCoy we might start to see that downtrend and it might not be sexy.

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408. "Colt put up good numbers down by 18 points"
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against a shitty defense.

Kind of like Bob did last year. Kirk too. For a while.

Anyway.

I think the decision was either panic shortsightedness by Tommy Boy, or some kind of perverse order from the top of the franchise to save face, or not finish in last, or some other meaningless short term calculation.

  

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412. "Garbage numbers, the best drive was the one to start "
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The second half. Everything else was against a prevent defense.

The team is flawed and Colt can't fix it. Getting housed and then chucking the ball around with inflated numbers will never convince me that starting him was the right choice.

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411. "Asked about the defensive performance vs. the Colts..."
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Where's the public dressing down of Haslett, like was done to Robert?
http://youtu.be/zt6MIxmL0Jo?t=14m54s

The defense has been bad for a looong while now. Historically BAD! And the Colts just put up 49 points on the team. These press conferences continually harp on Robert's performance (when he was playing), with not enough focus or confrontation toward the defensive side of the ball. Keeping Haslett was one of Gruden's first coaching decisions when he was hired.

The question from the press conference, linked to above, was one that I had been waiting to be asked point blank. If anybody needs to have the myriad of mistakes and bad game-planning and decisions pointed out, it's Haslett. He has NEVER been good here, and yet he's still around.

  

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413. "I understand where you're coming from"
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But honestly there's no way you can do that again. He's done it in public once, and he can't get away with doing it twice even if Haz deserves every bit of criticism. There's no way you can do it that way.

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417. "Yeah, I was just venting after the fact..."
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>But honestly there's no way you can do that again. He's done
>it in public once, and he can't get away with doing it twice
>even if Haz deserves every bit of criticism. There's no way
>you can do it that way.

I know. I know. I was just venting after the fact. You are absolutely correct that it was a mistake and you can't do that from week to week.

It's just he goes and gets frustrated in Robert's development to a point where you want to "put him in his place" publicly, but this motherfucker Haslett stay lingering in the background with no real explanation why he's still here, given the opportunity to fuck up week after week after week... with no one, team-wise, holding him accountable for the team's performance.

  

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419. "Its the epitome of the good ole boy network"
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No accountability.

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414. "So not only is Griff gone next year"
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but so is Pierre so it seems.

Its pretty funny at this point.

You won't be able to save your job with Colt McCoy what are you doing!

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415. "I have no clue what the McCoy logic was"
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but whatever it was, I can GUARANTEE YOU it will fail.

It was either a terrible idea by Tommy Boy, or a terrible idea by Snyder.

  

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416. "Funny how Garcon was mad at RGIII last year on his way to 100+ reception..."
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418. "I love Pierre's Passion"
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Absolutely love it, but he's a WR, and they always want the ball.

He's a spoiled brat and he's tired of losing, so he's acting out to get moved. I'm sure his agent is telling him.

No one is trying to stay around this dumpster fire.

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421. "Pierre is good"
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but he doesn't get open with half the regularity his mouth would imply he does.


but whatever, I'd want out too. Steal $10-20M of Dan's money, go play on a good team somewhere else.

  

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420. "Why the need for character assassination?"
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link: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24865895/report-jay-gruden-is-done-with-robert-griffin-iii

This makes me dislike Gruden even more and that is saying something:

Report: Jay Gruden is done with Robert Griffin III
By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer
December 4, 2014 12:40 pm ET

If you wondered just how bad the relationship between Redskins coach Jay Gruden and now-backup quarterback Robert Griffin III is, the Washington Post's Jason Reid reveals that it's basically broken. And probably unfixable.

In his story, Reid writes that Gruden is done with Griffin and wants him off the team. It's unclear if owner Daniel Snyder and general manager Bruce Allen agree with Gruden and will back him, but it also seems clear that Griffin's tenure with the team is shaky at best.

Writes Reid:

Through three preseason games and five starts in the regular season, Gruden has seen enough to realize that Griffin is at best a long-term project as a pocket passer. Griffin was too deliberate reading defenses, displayed poor footwork and an alarming lack of pocket presence for a signal-caller in his third NFL season.

Also, Gruden's assessment goes deeper than Griffin's play. He has major concerns about Griffin's decision making off the field, which has come to light through conversations with team officials at Redskins Park.

To Gruden, Griffin seemed more concerned about enhancing his brand than about honing his pocket skills. Often, Gruden rolled his eyes after being informed about the life lessons the 24-year-old offered on social media. Gruden became frustrated that Griffin, even after Gruden benched him, failed to acknowledge his role in his failure.

While former coach Mike Shanahan's future was leveraged to Griffin's success, that doesn't seem to be the case with Gruden. And if Snyder would keep Griffin on the team and discard Gruden in the process, that's probably something Gruden would want to know immediately. Which is probably why this feels like a necessary power move for the first-year coach.

"Considering Gruden's firm stance, though, trading Griffin is the logical option," Reid writes. "And if Snyder and Allen drag their feet or tell Gruden he must give Griffin one more chance, then Gruden may have to come up with an exit strategy even faster than Mike Shanahan did."

So, it seems that the Redskins options are one of the following:

1) Get rid of Griffin and almost certainly lose in the process, because there's little chance they could recoup enough for the loss of Griffin to make the team's original pursuit of him (trading much of its future in order to draft him No. 2 overall) worth it.

2) Keep Griffin and possibly get rid of Gruden. That's not a palatable option, because it again would set the Redskins back as they try to turn around the franchise. For one, it's unlikely a high-profile coach would want to wade into the Washington mess. And for two, the divisive Griffin still would be on the team.

Neither way is a winning strategy, but to me, No. 1 seems like the best option. For the team and perhaps even for Griffin, who should get the opportunity to resurrect his career elsewhere.


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422. "picking Tommy Boy over Bob seems incredibly stupid to me"
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both are long-shot people to hitch your wagon to, but Bob's shown all the potential in the world.

Tommy Boy has had one decent stop in an otherwise average career.

A good QB is 10x harder to get than a good or average coach.

  

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423. "Just bad management, you can't trade a guy when you do this"
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Same shit with the Eagles and Jackson, you wind up just having to cut him b/c everyone knows that you don't care about him and want him gone.

You talk about how RG3 is still a franchise player and convince teams they have to pay for him.

  

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482. "Not even a remotely close comparison. Gruden is actually calling out RGI..."
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in the media and not giving two fucks about it. Unless you can find me some evidence to the contrary, Chip NEVER once called out DJax. He never said anything negative about Desean's character. Sure, behind the scenes he might not have liked Desean, but he never revealed that to the media. There's a MASSIVE difference between coaches like Andy Reid/Chip Kelly and Jay Gruden. Reid/Chip Kelly never called out their own players through the media. Jay Gruden has proved he doesn't mind doing that. I'm not sure that will work well for him.

  

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424. "gruden is taking a huge risk"
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i hope it goes well for him. this could either be a colossal
clusterfuck or the beginning of a slow turnaround. i also hope
that he has a good game plan for that defense.

  

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425. "So Robert being a project and wanting to build on his brand are what's h..."
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the team back? Really? Yeah that's really being a cancerous teammate there. If he don't like Robert, why don't he just say it? That is what it seems like to me, a strong dislike for him. And it doesn't help Gruden's case that he kept most of the old staff from the last regime. Who knows if his dislike is genuine or manipulated by the coaching staff? Either way, him not being willing to work with Robert, diva or not, speaks volumes about the type of coach he really is.....

  

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427. "cuz robert is full of himself and lost the faith of two head coaches"
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bob's character, in terms of being a good guy, by all reports is undeniable.

instead, his dedication to being a better QB is being questioned.

again.

last year the excuse was that shanny was sleezy.

this year its that gruden isnt good.

next year, what is the excuse?

  

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428. "Name me ONE QB in the league that's not "full of himself""
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>last year the excuse was that shanny was sleezy.
>
Because Shanny was sleezy. He rode dude into the ground and then when his broken toy couldn't perform, due to the decisions Shanny made, he went into career survival mode.

How do you think all those stories got leaked to the media? And it was no big secret that he was feeding Sally Jenkins stories.

>this year its that gruden isnt good.
>
Jury is still out on Gruden but I never was a fan and early on he is proving he might not have the HC IQ required to do the job.

>next year, what is the excuse?
>
Don't worry, he'll be in another organization next year that hopefully won't have an environment as toxic as here.



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429. "bob is on another level."
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the biggest problem is that he stays in the social media spotlight and stays trying to keep other people accountable without performing at a high level himself.

he's a favorite of snyders yet his own teammates didnt vote him captain.

what does that say?

>
>>last year the excuse was that shanny was sleezy.
>>
>Because Shanny was sleezy. He rode dude into the ground and
>then when his broken toy couldn't perform, due to the
>decisions Shanny made, he went into career survival mode.
>How do you think all those stories got leaked to the media?
>And it was no big secret that he was feeding Sally Jenkins
>stories.

shanny was definitely sleezy but that is not why bob wasnt successful. Bob played a role in the power struggle with the all in for week one campaign and the gatorade rehab show. I dont agree with the way shanny went about leaving, but if he felt that bob was bigger than the team and that the owner was going to side with the QB, i understand why he wanted to leave.

>>this year its that gruden isnt good.
>>
>Jury is still out on Gruden but I never was a fan and early on
>he is proving he might not have the HC IQ required to do the
>job.


Neither Bob, Kirk, nor Colt have shown to be the answer as of this year, but Kirk and Colt have definitely validated the offense as it has been installed by the yards and points they've put up. To me that is enough to say that Gruden is good enough to get some kind of production out of his QBs.

>>next year, what is the excuse?
>>
>Don't worry, he'll be in another organization next year that
>hopefully won't have an environment as toxic as here.

i hope he goes elsewhere and does well. but he is gonna have to fall back for a minute. there are a number of teams that he could back up for and grow with while not under same amount of pressure.

  

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430. "I agree"
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Which is why I've generally stayed out of here this season.

  

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426. "Jeff Fisher adds his perspective on the RGIII situation"
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And then you read the comments and fans don't get it.

Rams Coach Jeff Fisher says RGIII is too talented to be done in the NFL

Back in the winter of 2012 — when the Redskins were rolling and their 2013 first-round pick was rapidly moving down the draft order — many Washington boosters were convinced the Rams had been fleeced in that famous 2012 pre-draft trade.

After Robert Griffin III struggled in 2013 and the Rams continued to acquire additional starters from their haul of picks, more and more people began seeing the trade as a push, or worse.

And now that Griffin has been benched twice in three years, and the young Rams seem at least marginally ahead of the Redskins, the conventional wisdom would indicate that St. Louis won the trade, possibly in a rout. Rams Coach Jeff Fisher has talked about the trade several times this week in advance of Sunday’s game — “it was easy for us to do,” he told Washington reporters.

But Fisher refused to take the next step, celebrating how much better the trade looks with Griffin on the bench.

“And RGIII’s not even playing right now…” a reporter in St. Louis said this week, as Fisher discussed the trade.

“No, he’s not,” Fisher answered. “But that’s really not our issue. And in his defense, his rookie year, he took them to the playoffs. And any quarterback that’s going to go through significant injuries like he did, and two offensive philosophy changes and scheme changes, I think that’s hard. I don’t believe you’ve seen the last of him. I don’t believe that. I think he’s too talented. That’s their deal, that’s my opinion on him. I think he’s got a chance to be a really good quarterback.”

Another reporter then asked whether Griffin could still turn his career around.

“He’s just scratching the surface from a career standpoint, yeah,” Fisher said. “Again, injuries and scheme changes are hard to overcome — for anybody, for that matter.

Fisher also acknowledged that if Sam Bradford hadn’t been on his roster in 2012, the Rams probably would have done “something different” with their pick, the implication being that Griffin could have been in play.

In fact, Fisher mentioned mentioned Griffin’s multiple offensive schemes at least two other times this week.

“I don’t think they know exactly where they’re going with RG,” he said on his radio show on ESPN 101. “Maybe he needs some more experience to learn this offense. It’s his second offense in three years.”

And he said much the same to Washington reporters.

“We played Robert early his first year, and he made a lot of plays, and to get that team into the playoffs as a rookie is pretty impressive,” Fisher said. “Unfortunately for him, he’s dealing with an offensive scheme change and he’s had injury. Those two things, a quarterback standpoint, are just hard to overcome. I think he’s an outstanding talent and very hard to defend.”


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431. "Holy shit this organization is delusional!"
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Listening to the pre-game and it appears ALL the teams problems (according to the coaches) is RGIII's fault.

They said the staff feels they have 2 pro bowl caliber lineman and that if they had not played RGIII the Minnesota game they would be sitting at 7-5.
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432. "Morning surprises me at this point. "
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The smear campaign is in full effect.

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433. "yeah, that's because he wants out"
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448. "Yup. Graduated from the Shanahan school of sabotage."
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Be too easy to fire him though....

  

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451. "????"
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>2 pro bowl caliber lineman

  

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452. "I assume Trent Williams but I don't know the other"
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457. "There is no other lineman"
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There's no one else.

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434. "@ Home vs Rams"
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- This was the worst game of the year. Seriously this was the worst I've seen this team look all season. I think above I might have said that Colt wasn't the answer. Well here you go.

-The Rams came out and said Alfred Morris wasn't going to beat them, the offense did nothing. The defense looked over matched up front and slow on the fringes. It's just bad.

- This was a game we lost on Wednesday.

- Throwing Griffin in at the end was just insulting. I get it Colt was hurt but man it just looks bad.

- Dumpster Fire!

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435. ""Rock Bottom" changes with every passing week"
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But truly... this has to be Rock Bottom.

  

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459. "This may not be the bottom"
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- I shudder to think what bottom might be, but we're in the same class at the Jags and the Jets right now. Not getting there, we're there.

Buckle up because these last 3 weeks could be incredible.

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440. "Home tickets sold for $3 today. "
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Glad I didn't buy them.


Colt McCoy ain't gonna be the answer if nobody blocks for him. Same with the other two. Line play was bad all around though. Even Alf didn't get no holes today. Eff Gruden tho....Didn't know we didn't have a QB coach. Might wanna get one of those next year.

  

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460. "Should've had one from the jump"
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462. "You know Eagles and Cowboys will be "road games" for *skins"
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465. "Oh especially at the LOW LOW pricing they have now"
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Tickets in the 200's for the Eagles game is already in the $30's

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436. "looked like mccoy was coppin pleas near the end"
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trying to explain his injury to the docs...lol

  

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437. "London destroying Haslett"
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ICYMI: http://deadspin.com/london-fletcher-defensive-coordinator-jim-haslett-is-1667950222

I'm of two minds on this -

1) A lot of what London is saying here has been said ad nauseum by Redskins fans for a while now—Haslett has to go.

2) The way London said some of this stuff and how hype he got made me feel like all of this is about more than Haslett's ineptitude and instead something personal. Not a big fan of ex-players using the network bully pulpit to tear an ex-colleague to shreds.

  

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458. "that was just awkward and mean and out of left field"
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Its like damn dude

  

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438. "Can't wait to hear Cooley THIS week, huh?"
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See what the ol' film breakdown is gonna come up with this week.

Another "incomplete" grade for the team this time. Certainly Robert must've had a hand in this mess as well, right?

F-ing incredible!


Also, it was crazy seeing Gregg Williams on the other sideline getting after this team. Seeing Williams on the other side of the field made me realize the time the team screwed him over when Gibbs left.

I'm not saying they would have been all that more successful had he been promoted to head coach, though a defensive coordinator as a head coach has always been my preference, but seeing him out there reminded me of the fact that they screwed this dude over to ultimately end up hiring Jim F-ing Zorn!!!

Wow, LOL, WTF?!?

  

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453. "lol I was thinking the same thing about Cooley"
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454. "No, Cooley is not going to "
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He was on the radio this morning and he was asked if this performance is going to be rated like RGIII's 49ers performance.

Cooley responded that no, Colts performance was not that bad and there were some good things you could look at and take away.

Uhhhh wut?


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455. "what an ass."
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456. "Moving the goalposts."
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All the way back.

How can Colt McCoy possibly have done anything well without scoring any points? Got to the Redzone what twice in this game? What did he do well besides get sacked?

  

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461. "Wow! What. The. Fuck!"
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>He was on the radio this morning and he was asked if this
>performance is going to be rated like RGIII's 49ers
>performance.
>
>Cooley responded that no, Colts performance was not that bad
>and there were some good things you could look at and take
>away.
>
>Uhhhh wut?


Unbelievable... and yet totally expected.



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439. "The team quit today. Yup. They quit. "
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And Gruden can't do anything about it. He mad too after that press conference. But getting new players ain't gonna be the answer. Better work with what you got. Can't keep blaming them for your failures.

On another note. Our TEs and RBs make the OL worse. Alf be missing blocks. Helu is a matador. Reed don't hold his long enough. Paulsen either. If you get any of them cats to sufficiently block, maybe there might be a few more plays that actually work.

  

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463. "It was bad"
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The TE's and rb don't block well

I don't care what QB is playing, but they just don't block. The Rams whole saled on the line because they knew we couldnt' throw to anyone. It was a slaughter upfront.

Throw in the center hiking on 1 instead of 2 and you've got the worst showing in a long time.

  

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464. "They need to hire Portis"
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Clinton Portis was a master at picking up the blitz and he would put dudes on their backs!!!!

They need to hire him ASAP! This is why Helu doesn't get more run, he is terrible at this.


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466. "Helu is bad at recognizing bliztes and I just don't think he tries"
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That hard to put someone down, I think he's going for a chip.

I loved watching Clinton pick up a blitz, the problem usually becomes when you block so hard you take yourself out of the ability to be a safety valve when everything else breaks down. There has to be an in between for that.

Clinton was the best at picking that blitz up though, whether it was on the far side of the qb or just a stunt he was always right there.

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468. "Bad thing is, Helu says he has improved his blocking"
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He was better last year. He's regressed in that area. Being bad at recognizing blitzes I understand. Chip blocking though is unacceptable.

  

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441. "lol Haslett"
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442. "lol Bruce Allen"
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443. "lol Tommy Boy"
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444. "lol Colt McCoy"
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445. "lol offensive line"
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447. "but most of all, lol Snyder"
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this year will (likely) be last place for 7 out of the last 8 years.

what do you think Snyder tells himself?

"it's not my fault"

"it's bad luck"

"i'm getting screwed"

"everyone else is fucking up my plan"

Dude, Danny, it's YOU.

who fails for this long, this publicly at something?

  

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446. "Early indications are Cousins starts next week"
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449. "Good for him. He can get his confidence blown to smithereens now."
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450. "LOL! The continuation of the first Giants game..."
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478. "it's Colt, if healthy"
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https://twitter.com/RobCarlinCSN/status/543093966938587136

  

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467. "Gruden looks like a beaten man, like he doesn't want to be there..."
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During each press conference, if you listen to the tone of his voice and watch his body language, it doesn't look good. His eyes are either looking down to the ground or bouncing all over the place.

I know he's disappointed with the way the season's going, he doesn't have that head coach "I have a plan even though we look reeeeeallly bad right now" look.

Some guys have it, and some guys don't and i don't like what I'm seeing/hearing with this dude. but this organization can also do that to people.



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469. "it's The Look of Zorn"
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470. "More proof this team is a dumpster fire"
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http://www.wusa9.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/12/10/andre-roberts-bashaud-breeland-redskins-practice-fight/20197153/


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471. "That's just a season's worth of frustration all coming out at one time"
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Roberts has dropped a lot of balls this year and hasn't been as explosive as folks thought.

Dudes looked like they meant it

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472. "not to mention"
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the least effective punt returner of all time

  

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473. "hey now"
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how quickly we forget late-era Antwaan Randle El

but yeah, point taken.

  

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474. "You heard about Gruden possibly talking to Michigan for its coaching job..."
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Wouldn't surprise me if he quit after this year.

  

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475. "You don't leave 20 million on the table"
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If they fire you, you make 20 million, the only way you can not make 20 million is if you quit.

THERE'S NO WAY that happens.

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476. "So we stuck with Gruden huh?"
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Cause Danny would be stupid to fire him. And not because of the hit on his pockets either.

  

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477. "I would take $15-20M/5yrs to leave ashburn"
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at some point sanity and the desire to succeed should trump dan's money.

not sure why they would offer him that based on his track record, but if they also guarantee him enough money to be stable... he needs to run like ghostface.

  

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479. "Big brother Jon went on ESPN this morning to defend his brother"
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Calling the situation "a mess."

So, I guess his brother has caused some of this mess?


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481. "not a single word of criticism for his brother."
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485. "he did say jay would have to look for another job at some point."
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if he is unable to improve the QB play here.

not sure what people were expecting.

  

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480. "if thought punting to yourself was bad, RGIII has gone even lower"
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http://www.theonion.com/video/owners-box-bearded-robert-griffin-iii-spotted-livi,37588/

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483. "EPIC L for this bum ass Racist beat writer (swipe)"
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http://www.hogshaven.com/2014/9/7/6116407/10-reasons-the-eagles-are-going-to-be-a-dumpster-fire-this-season


Like literally everything he predicted was dead ass wrong.

Special Teams suck??? LOL, we have a historically great special teams unit.

Backups like Jordan Matthews, Mark Sanchez, and Darren Sproles will suck??? L.O fucking L.

The comments below are even more pathetically hilarious.

  

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484. "So did you come to talk about OUR team or just to stunt?"
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486. "so is the franchise really going to choose Tommy Boy"
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over RG3?

Really?

neither are looking like hot comodities right now, but what has Tommy Boy ever fucking done?

Bob has 33 careers starts, 100 major injuries, a ROY, a heismann, and only 4 fucking full games this year.

Firing Tommy Boy after one year is a bad look, but the sunk cost fallacy was made for situations like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_costs

  

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487. "Who said that?"
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That would be certainly the wrong choice.

All Gruden has done is throw his whole locker room under the bus in press conferences. The team play overall does not inspire one reason why he should stay. Nobody has developed any sort of skill. Not one player.

  

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488. "Everyone is saying that dude will be back"
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That Griffin is almost assuredly gone.

Gruden was the wrong choice, but at this point what do you do.

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489. "Plus"
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Refusing to give RGIII run even though Colt has looked just as shitty, pretty much seals the deal RGIII is gone.

Honestly, what's the point in starting Colt at this point? Gruden has basically proven he doesn't like RGIII and he's willing to give the other QBs more opportunities to fail than him.

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490. "Looks like the organization has neutered Sonny Jurgensen"
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He has been saying for weeks that the organization needs to play Robert and let him grow because he is their future. He has been very vocal in saying that Robert is the QB with the most talent on the roster.

Well, this morning on the pregame show, Jurgensen never mentioned Robert and said that the organization feels McCoy gives them the best chance to win because he "protects the ball" better than any of the other QBs. It should be noted he has 7 turnovers the last 3 games.

He then went on to say when asked that Cousins will most likely be the team's starter in 2015.

Next segment, Chris Russell (who we all know gets his marching orders from the team) said that the coaching staff doesn't think Robert can even be a "good" NFL QB. However, he'll be on the roster next year because if the team cuts him, they'll have to take a $6 million cap hit.

At this point, I have to ask everybody a question. Did 2012 really happen or was I in a J.R. Ewing style dream?



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491. "So RG3 finally has a good game with guess what?"
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Rollouts! It only took 15 games and a whole preseason for him to install that in his offense. He coulda kept Cousins from getting murderized too with that but nope......Says it hurts him to use a rolling pocket and RG3 could have played better from inside the pocket...Hurts him to give RG3 a compliment too. I'll take it though cause at least he is sticking to his guns. Might as well go down with the sinking ship.

RG3 had a good press conference though. Even said play calling was good. Teammates actually stuck up for him during that fumble call. So I guess his teammates do like him, for now.

  

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492. "Gruden is an asshole"
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And FINALLY some people are starting to see it. Well, all for Kevin Sheehan who I cannot stand.

The comments during Gruden's press conference pretty much confirms It's not a talent issue with RGIII, Gruden simply doesn't like him.


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493. "You heard about Baccari Rambo having 2 INTS yesterday against"
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Rodgers? And yet he couldn't even make this team's roster. LOL Washington LOL

  

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502. "And he has a spot on a really good D. Says a lot about our coaching"
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We say Rambo is garbage, another defense plays him and gets production.

Haslett has got to go.
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494. "Gruden, Haslett, and Allen are all bad at their jobs. Period."
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495. "I about wrecked my car this morning"
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A lady caller into Monday Morning Quarterback said:

"I'm tired of this. How come RGIII never gets any of the blame? When Colt and Kurt play they get blamed; but when RGIII plays bad, it's the coaches fault."

I was like what cave has this lady been living in?

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496. "And more proof to your point"
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Just off of yesterdays game:

- Gruden didn't know Moss was tossed out of the game until Siragusa told him coming out of half.

- What was Gruden looking at in practice all week with Colt? His first pass of the game look like a balloon-ball. It's clear he had no arm strength. Yup, he doesn't like RGIII

- Doc Walker said he was "told" that the game plan was imaginative with lots of movement because the coaching staff did think Robert would be in the game at some point. So Doc questioned, "If that's the case, why did they stop it as soon as he got in the game." So Doc actually asked the question if "this kid is being set up to fail." Ouch!!!

- If they knew the above why did we only carry 2 active quarterbacks? Especially if Colt came into the game so fragile.

- At what point do you think the defense should double Odell Beckham?

- Here is the one that really stood out to me. Knowing Trent Williams has been playing hurt all season. Why does this team still only have ONE active LT on the roster?

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497. "of all of the ways Jim Haslett is terrible"
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refusing to double a guy who's killing you, in game (L. Donnell) after game (Mike Evans) after game (Beckham), is the most unreal.

  

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498. "These dudes ain't even on the same page half the time"
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Double teaming would help....But these dudes gotta communicate that. How are they supposed to know when to double team? They can't even effectively cover their zones correctly.

  

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499. "You mean like"
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When the Giants are on the 7 yard line, the defensive back starts his softass coverage in the endzone?

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504. "Yeah if you scared of getting burned in the endzone"
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Maybe playing cornerback just ain't your thing.

  

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522. "RGIII's starting v. Philly"
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"Robert competed in the first half - did some good things," Gruden said. "Obviously we didn't do so well in the second half as a group offensively but I was pleased with the way Robert competed and hopefully we can build on that going forward into next week."
Asked what stood out about Griffin's play, Gruden said, "I thought he played with good energy. I thought he took the ball down and ran it when he had to a few times, and was pretty efficient in the passing game. For whatever reason, in the second half we couldn't get it going. We got in some third downs and weren't able to convert again, and that was unfortunate. He's just got to continue to go through the same progressions and see the concepts, but something to build off of from last week, hopefully."

  

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500. "Tommy Boy, ladies and gentlemen."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/15/the-redskins-and-jay-gruden-gave-up-at-the-end-of-the-giants-game-and-it-was-weird-and-sad/

Of all the odd things Jay Gruden did on Sunday — starting an injured quarterback who couldn’t make it past the opening drive, not activating three quarterbacks despite trotting out an injured starter, not intervening when Santana Moss began screaming at officials before halftime, not realizing that Moss had been ejected from the game until a Fox broadcaster later told him, not trusting the roll-outs and bootlegs that had allowed Robert Griffin III to succeed in the first half — nothing was more bizarre than his decision-making in the final two minutes of the game.

With about two-and-a-half minutes left, the Redskins got the ball back at their own 18. They were down by 11 points: a touchdown, a two-point conversion and a field goal. They were out of timeouts.

Two short passes gave Washington a first down at its own 32, and brought about the two-minute warning.

And then, the Redskins appeared to give up on the game. After a short pass and a sack, Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson slowly jogged back to the line of scrimmage as time ticked away. Griffin handed off the ball to Chris Thompson for a one-yard loss. Then the Redskins elected to run the clock down and take a delay of game penalty, before punting with 20 seconds to go.

At this point, I began screaming in the office. I trust those of you who weren’t already comatose (or entering your neighborhood grocery store) began screaming at home. Why would you punt there? What is the purpose of a punt there? If your only goal is to avoid injury, just take a knee and then allow the Giants to do the same.

A punt is utterly pointless. It’s rolling an orange down the sidewalk. It’s ripping up notebook paper while hiding underneath your desk. It’s singing Halloween songs in front of a Christmas tree. It’s an action that has no meaning.

Bizarrely, the Giants then fumbled the punt. The Redskins now had the ball at the Giants 29-yard line with 9 seconds left. And so there were three actions that would have made sense.

1) Kick a field goal, hoping you then have enough time for an attempted onside kick, and, if successful, a desperation heave into the end zone.

2) Throw a pass into the end zone, hoping for a crazy bounce or a remarkable grab.

3) Fearing injury, take a knee and end the game.

The Redskins chose option four: a three-yard pass to DeSean Jackson.

  

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501. "I just don't think he's up to the job at this point"
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Why oh why wasn't he doing roll outs, moving pockets and even some zone reads in the 2ns half. It looked like he just called a different game, where they were intent on having Griffin fail for the whole world tos ee, when he started to have success when they called plays to his strengths.

I've seen enough of your boy Tommy.

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503. "Somehow Gruden is Jim Zorn 2.0 but gets little blame...."
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...I guess having some momentum from being one of the "sexy coordinator" picks of this last off-season and talking tough about an already beleaguered qb buys some leeway nowadays.
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505. "Doc Walker"
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He was interviewed this morning and he basically said he is not a fan of conspiracy theories but thinks Gruden is setting up Robert to fail to "prove a point."

He wanted to know why in the second half Gruden all of a sudden stopped doing the things they were successful with. It was the closest I've seen to Doc ever saying a coach doesn't want to win games.

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506. "I have to agree"
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Griff was having success, and looking like a person that you can actually win with, but all of a sudden we change the gameplan and now he's back to being pedestrian.

NOT great

It just looks strange. I'm not in the qb meetings throughout the week, but it just seems like he doesn't like this kid and is intent on ruining him.

I need a Gif of that Griff TD dance though.

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508. "Oh, it's no secret that Gruden doesn't like Robert"
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All you have to do is listen to the press conferences and his comments about Robert and you can figure that out.

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509. "Its painful to listen to, the double speak the never being overly"
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positive on any one thing he does.

dog, that first half is honestly what might have them both back next year.

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507. "that's not a stretch, at all. "
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especially if Gruden thinks scape-goating RG3 ("see how terrible he is? the losses are his fault!") will save his job.

>He was interviewed this morning and he basically said he is
>not a fan of conspiracy theories but thinks Gruden is setting
>up Robert to fail to "prove a point."

  

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510. "i'm not sure there's anyway he thinks he's saving his job"
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Its more about prolonging before the inevitable.

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514. "I don't know how he convinced Snyder to let him bench Bob"
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This is the broken-clock-right-twice-a-day theory. I hope Snyder thinks benching Bob is a dumb idea.

  

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515. "I have no clue because when shit was catered to his ability"
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All of a sudden you started to see shades of the kid that excited the league, I don't know if its sustainable, but i'm telling you that kid is still in there somewhere. Yesterday made me believe this.

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511. "What's Cooley's angle all of a sudden?"
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He is on here blaming RGIII for the end of the game play calling. He said Robert should have called his own plays so stop blaming Gruden. It's just as much Robert's fault.

WTF?? So RGIII is going to just go wild-wild west out there, yeah that would go over well with a coach that already doesn't like him.

And he's also going in on RGIII how he gets up after sacks. I use to like him but now FUCK THAT DUDE!!!!


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512. "wow."
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513. "he's a meathead shock jock"
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nothing more

  

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516. "I'm not really sure why people give much credence to what dude says"
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As much of a player that he might've been Cooley sounds like he has a PERSONAL thing against Griff.

I'm blown away this fool sat up there and asked a kid who has literally no friends on the roster, his coach hates him, and just trying to stay on the field to be like "fuck it i'm directly disobeying what the coach called"

There was a story in WaPo today basically about the fact that after the game not a single player talked to him. NO ONE, not a single team mate came over to him to offer him anything. As much of this that's Griff's fault shit just makes me sad.

I swear we could make free cupcakes taste terrible.

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517. "That article is very depressing.... (link)"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/robert-griffin-iii-recaptures-a-bit-of-magic-if-not-the-approval-of-redskins-teammates/2014/12/14/ad7278f8-83d2-11e4-9534-f79a23c40e6c_story.html

It seems like RG3 no one in their locker room likes him outside of the fullback and Santana.

  

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518. "Let's face it"
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This roster is full of losers so they might want to check the mirror.

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519. "I have on very good faith from inside the club that RG isn't liked."
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520. "I mean that was clear when they scored a TD he didn't high 5 "
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Anyone, not a single person. That dance was fly though, i'm going to find that Gif because its good.

I can't imagine being a player and having no friends even if I made it this way, but got damn.

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523. "lol. gtfo"
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John Keim, who is actually someone who would know, says there's no ill will in the locker room, that as with most well known players, some people like him, some don't.

this is all garabge.

  

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524. "Dog no ill will is one thing, but when the press detail"
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How NO ONE fucks with you after the game, that's a bit much.

I don't believe in sicing unnecessarily but my homegirl who works for Comcast Sports has said the same to me.

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525. "maybe"
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or maybe it's making drama and assumptions from a whole bunch of nonverbal communication.

I don't have any reason to disbelieve Keim when he says he doesn't see this.

  

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521. "Gif Found"
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http://marcusd1.blogspot.com/2014/12/rg3-robert-griffin-iii-celebration.html

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526. "fucking tommy boy."
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WHY DID HE TAKE THIS JOB?

http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/16/jay-gruden-is-basically-asking-to-be-fired-with-comments-about-robert-griffin-iii/

  

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527. "Don't you love it"
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How he just trashes RGIII and is upset because "Robert doesn't accept any of the blame."

Hell, tell me when Gruden has taken any of the blame? Better yet, why doesn't he go all in on Colt and Cousins.

For example, he complained in the post-game presser that Robert needs to avoid getting sacked (he was sacked 7 times). How come this was never an issue when Colt was taking 5+ sacks per game in his starts.

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528. "What is Tommy Boy's angle?"
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Why did he take this fucking job?

Unless it was to steal $15M from Dan Snyder and then get out of town, in which case: fine.

  

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529. "He wouldn't be the first to steal from Snyder"
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530. "Carl Banks joins the RG3 firing squad"
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“The immediate observation was he’s a one-read quarterback,” Banks said. “He looks for one read and if it’s not there, he has no concept of progressions. The bad part about him – and there’s a lot. When you get a chance to see him and then you kind of talk to some people that are around the organization, it’s hard to believe one guy can really be as disruptive to the culture of your team, but you could see why. He doesn’t seem to be interested in going through progressions. He takes sacks, he makes bad decisions. But then when he gets hit, he lays there like he’s shot. I called him a drama king on the air yesterday because you’d think he’s never getting up again and then he bounces right back up. It’s almost like, ‘Everybody look at me, I’m hurt.’ It’s like he’s a martyr or something.

“He’s like a martyr. He really wants someone — I don’t know. Listen, it’s not my quarterback, but I can tell you what. If he’s on that team, no matter who’s coaching him, if he doesn’t learn how to play quarterback and have his quarterbacking skills match his athleticism, they’re going to be doomed for a while because the young man, you can see, he just hasn’t spent a lot of time working on mastering the position of quarterback. It’s almost like a buyer beware. When you have great athletes that have had success being athletic at that position, you have to make sure, when you start drafting these guys, that you have the ability to teach them to play quarterback first and let their athleticism become an asset. And it becomes an additional asset. You look at Russell Wilson. He’s a quarterback first, and then he incorporates his athleticism, as opposed to being an athlete and you incorporate quarterbacking into that position. That’s a position where there are certain requirements, down in and down out, and if you don’t have that, it’s going to be more bad plays than good plays, because you just haven’t figured out how to read defenses, how to go through your progressions, how to find the right receivers. I think that’s the case that they have there in Washington.”

  

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531. "people who say he is one read aren't being honest"
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Hell one of the biggest plays he made last week dispels that myth. Now, if they want to say he's becom hesitant and holds on to the ball too long. Yes he does do that, he is too afraid to make mistakes.
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532. "these ex players man"
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just stfu and go sell cars or something.

  

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533. "this article was needed"
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/16/grudens-words-on-griffin-are-starting-to-get-overblown/

Some of the Skins beat reporters are just awful.

  

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534. "its terrible how the local media is acting. gruden needs to stop talking"
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Gruden has to figure out that the belicheck/shanny "do what is in the best interests of the football team" answer is the way to go.

this team seriously needs a coach that has been in a major market before. denver, cincy, and tampa dont cut it when it comes to prepping for this type of scrutiny.

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535. "The problem is Gruden just keeps talking"
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There's nothing else interesting about this team, if Gruden shuts the fuck up they'll be fine.

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536. "sad thing is there are other legit teams in the area to report on"
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Why parse every word from the coach and qb of the losingest team in the city when every other team, including soccer, have been in the playoffs the last 2-3 years.

the wizards are legit contenders for the finals.

the caps are starting to figure things out.

the nats made another winning trade.

WHY DO WE CARE ABOUT JAY GRUDEN's THOUGHTS IN WEEK 15 OF A 3 WIN SEASON?

IF he and Bruce are good at their jobs and, despite being hopeful, i see all of the evidence that says they arent - they are gonna need this offseason to fix both lines, sign some safeties and figure out a way to maximize the talent of whatever QB is still left come 2015 training camp. Nothing they say or do right now matters.

  

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537. "Man, the media sure does keep moving the goalpost on RGIII"
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RGIII has played well the last two weeks and in all honestly only has looked BAD in 2 starts (Tampa and 49ers).

Now, they win yesterday and here is what I'm hearing:

- Big deal the team won, now they've ruined their draft position (yeah, because this team has drafted so well the past 20 years)
- This win proves nothing, I'm still not convinced they have a QB on their roster
- The only reason they won yesterday is because they're extremely lucky
- RGIII isn't any good in 3rd and long so he's lucky the coach kept him out of those situations. "You see Philip Rivers last week? RGIII couldn't do that!"

Now, keep ALL those comments in mind and what would the narrative be if the starter were Cousins or McCoy?

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538. "Maaaan. Snider wrote that RGIII is secured as the 2015 starter"
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I mean, this back and forth is getting dizzying.
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539. "stop listening to sports radio"
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seriously.

  

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540. "Doc Walker and B-Mitch are must listens during the season"
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541. "The bar has been set lower for RG3 than almost any QB in the leage"
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>RGIII has played well the last two weeks and in all honestly
>only has looked BAD in 2 starts (Tampa and 49ers).
>
>Now, they win yesterday and here is what I'm hearing:
>
>- Big deal the team won, now they've ruined their draft
>position (yeah, because this team has drafted so well the past
>20 years)
>- This win proves nothing, I'm still not convinced they have a
>QB on their roster
>- The only reason they won yesterday is because they're
>extremely lucky
>- RGIII isn't any good in 3rd and long so he's lucky the coach
>kept him out of those situations. "You see Philip Rivers last
>week? RGIII couldn't do that!"
>
>Now, keep ALL those comments in mind and what would the
>narrative be if the starter were Cousins or McCoy?
>
>I just want consistency.
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Here's a fact:

In his past 2 games, RG3 went 34/47 for 456 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 9 sacks, and 4 fumbles.

To that, your reaction was

>RGIII has played well the last two weeks

So, his traditional stats are bad, but maybe his advanced stats are better? Maybe the traditional stats just aren't telling the whole story here. Let's take a look...

Giants game:
ESPN QBR - 21.3 (Rank #22/32)
Footballoutsiders DYAR - -81 (Rank #27/34)

Eagles game:
ESPN QBR - 76.2 (Rank #12/30)
Footballoutsiders DYAR - N/A (not published yet)

So, what the advanced stats tell us is exactly what the Griffin detractors have been saying, which is that he played awful against NYG (note - he still looked better against the Giants than he has in a long time. That doesn't mean he didn't look awful) and he played a better than average game against the Eagles, but nothing to write home about.

To answer your question, if Cousins had played like Griffin did yesterday, he would be benched. The standard for Cousins has been that he needs to play at a Pro Bowl level in order to take over the starting job. The standard for Griffin is that he needs to only look a little bit shitty in order to keep the starting job. This was Griffin's best game of the year, and it would have trouble cracking Cousins' top 3.

I eagerly await the inevitable "...but Cousins isn't a WINNER" from the supporters of a QB who is 1-9 in his last 10 games and whose claim to fame as a winner is winning 8 games as a rookie.

  

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542. "like Gruden says"
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and i quote: "winning football games is the only thing that matters to me for a quarterback."

So as long as Robert wins, we good.

  

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550. "RE: like Gruden says"
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>and i quote: "winning football games is the only thing that
>matters to me for a quarterback."
>
>So as long as Robert wins, we good.

There's a couple of problems with this:

#1 - This is the type of dumb neanderthal talk that somehow thrives in the NFL, but is thankfully going away in most other major sports. Make no mistake - winning matters. But is winning the only thing that matters when it comes to evaluating the play of one player? Hell no.

"Winning is the only thing that matters" would lead you to believe that RG3 played better against the Eagles in week 16 than Cousins did in week 3, which is obviously false. In one case, the guy put up 400 yards, and lost a close one to one of the NFL's best teams at their peak efficiency, despite the team giving up a special teams TD and his own kicker missing a chipshot that ended up being the difference in the final score. In the other, the guy had a pretty pedestrian game.

#2 - Let's spend a moment in bizarro land where winning IS actually the only way we evaluate QBs. RG3 is now 1-11 in his last 12 games, and a mere 6-16 since tweaking his knee on the Ngata hit against Baltimore in 2012. In that same timeframe, Cousins is 3-7. RG3 is not exactly a winner. His claim to fame, in terms of winning games, is an 8 win rookie campaign.

He has the worst winning percentage of a Redskins day 1 starter since Jeff George. THAT'S who you're going to bat for as your "All that matters is the W" guy.

  

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543. "oh, you're back?"
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545. "Couple things here"
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- You clearly don't watch games
- You don't like Griff, we get it, move on
- Kirk Cousins has the mental edge of a child's operation set. He's proven that.
- Regardless of how many advanced stats you put up, Griff is the best option on this team.

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546. "Kirk is 1-9 as a starter. "
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Stats mean nothing at this point. You are supposed to give your QB, who has been injured and just got into a new system, a chance to grow.

  

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551. "Any &quot;give him a chance to grow&quot; argument applies more strongly"
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to Cousins that it does to Griffin.

Here are the two QBs full season stats, projected over 16 games for easy evaluation. Both QBs are in their first year of the Gruden system.

RG3: 325/473, 3710 yards, 69% completions**, 7.8 ypa, 9 TDs, 14 INTs, 71 sacks*, 21 fumbles*

Kirk: 367/593, 4975 yards**, 62% completions, 8.4 ypa**, 29 TDs, 26 INTs*, 23 sacks**, 6 fumbles


* League leader
** Top 5

So, on the one hand you've got a guy who has a great completion percentage, but leads the league in sacks allowed, fumbles, and has a negative TD/INT and barely produces half a TD per game. On the other hand, you've got a guy who's top 5 in yards, yards per attempt, and fewest sacks per attempt, is top 10 in TDs, but who leads the league in interceptions.

Going into week 17, Griffin had the fewest TDs in the league among QBs who attempted at least 55 passes. Among QBs with at least 150 attempts, Griffin is by far the worst with only 3 passing TDs. The next worst was Charlie Whitehurst, who had double the number of passing TDs, in fewer attempts than Griffin.

Which one deserves more time to develop?

  

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552. "RG3 does...."
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Don't care about your argument either. Nice try tho.

  

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554. "Don't understand why people act like 2012 never happened"
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They keep saying what he cannot do even though we all saw it. And to think the leg injuries haven't played a role in his development is just silly.


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562. "Or an abysmal offensive line"
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>And to think the leg injuries haven't played a role in his
>development is just silly.
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Or having a different system within a 3 year span, or hell even having a top 5 worst defense of all time for 2 straight years....He's on a bad team.

  

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544. "I don't ever want to see Colt McCoy ever, ever again."
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547. "He has no arm strength "
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Good command of the offense, but he doesn't have a pro arm.

Let's put the Colt discussion to bed forever.

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553. "He really should be though. "
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He should get a big chunk of the blame for this team's record. The defense has not been in sync at all. I've never seen a secondary so lost before.

  

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555. "He takes bad players and makes them awful."
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Anyway

Tommy Boy said he's going to review the staff "for a few days"

  

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B.J.S.301
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560. "Historically the top 5 worst five years ever for an NFL team. "
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He should NEVER get another coaching/coordinator NFL job.

  

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556. "Kirk Cousins to Washington: Trade me if RG3 is named the starter (swipe)"
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https://twitter.com/NBCdianna/status/549609500660215808

  

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557. "I just want to know why the local media slobbers all over Cousins"
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558. "Grant him his wish"
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You can work on dam near every aspect of a player's game except make up. He's proven he's not a guy that's able to withstand the mental rigors of being an NFL qb.

Get out the room,
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559. "He should go to another team and develop. "
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This team is abysmal. No need to stay in drama like this.

But he's not a consistent starter. Somebody else will figure this out. Like I have said before with Kirk, what you see is most likely what you will get with this guy. I don't think he has a high ceiling.

  

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561. "LOL, you all alone in these streets, Cousins!!!!"
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Man, FOH.

Kirk essentially got his shot to compete with RGIII, and he failed miserably. He had the time, the starts and the media and fan base to usurp the position and he failed.

Bye, Kirk.
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563. "He had two chances, they were trying to give him the job"
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Turns out he's a mental midget.

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566. "RE: LOL, you all alone in these streets, Cousins!!!!"
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lol.

  

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565. "Watch Buffalo sign him now that Legend Killer is retired"
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564. "Haslett is gone! HAPPY NEW YEAR!"
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listening to bruce allen's presser.

dude is real smooth. saying lots of right things - gruden will pick the next DC and the starting QB, everything is broken and needs to be fixed...blaming lots of injuries for the badness of the season... which means the depth wasnt there. but i still give allen time as the actual BMOC instead of shanny to see if he can fix this.

i know it means nothing on field, but between this and jay's press conference on monday, i am encouraged.

  

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568. "And the first domino falls....."
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....there needs to be more than a few more.
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569. "I dunno why? Its all BS to me...."
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Gruden shouldn't be picking the DC. Allen needs to do his job. One thing I will say though is this:

It is apparent that Gruden was overwhelmed with his duties the past year. The team was very unprepared and lost on the field and most of that responsibility falls on him. The best thing I would advocate for him to do is to get more assistants on the team to help him with other administrative duties with the team. I would also suggest that Allen gets a QB coach with Gruden's blessing since apparently he is NOT the QB whisperer as advertised. Gruden should get all the help he can while its good because if he does not show any amount of progress then he should not be a head coach.

As far as the front office goes, there needs to be one. I see how the Redskins are organized as a franchise and its to say that there are way too many people with executive titles and cronies. Seems like Snyder hires folks that have a history with the franchise instead of people who are competent at a particular job. And there is absolutely no organization whatsoever as far as departments go. His staff may have job titles but there are no department heads and no accountability for responsibility. There is a reason why we always fail when it comes to drafting players and player development and that is because there is no organizational department within the team that accounts for the players. THERE IS NO NAMED DEPARTMENT FOR PLAYER PERSONNEL! Did you know the Skins have no Director of College Scouting? How the fuck are you supposed to pick anybody good when you don't have anyone to put it all together for you? Hell I have no idea who manages the actual upkeep of the stadium from day to day. But I know who does with the Ravens Organization. His name is Don Follett and he is the Head Groundskeeper. Little shit like that is why the Skins will never be a good team. There is no organizational structure in place whatsoever and that is Snyder's fault. Snyder can hire/fire GMs all he wants to. Unless he has a structure in place that has accountability, this is what we will get as Washington football fans. A whole bunch of promises and hype with no results. I am genuinely at the point of saying fuck this franchise until this changes.

  

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567. "lol Bruce Allen 4ever"
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https://vine.co/v/OwjUpEQmKwV

  

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