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ThaTruth
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"Adrian Peterson is not about THAT life..."


          

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/adrian-peterson-says-hes-not-162828695--nfl.html

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lol knew what this was just off the fact you posted it
May 28th 2013
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lol
May 28th 2013
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nah, it'll be excused here.
May 28th 2013
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I actually think he's effeminate and probably likes dick himself
May 28th 2013
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      cotdamn lol
May 28th 2013
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Not surprising. He a bamma.
May 28th 2013
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Really shouldn't be a big deal.
May 28th 2013
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pretty much.
May 28th 2013
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basically, I don't know where people get this idea that folx aren't
May 28th 2013
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it's bigotry. We expect people not to express bigotry in public
May 28th 2013
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Because saying its wrong for two adults to get married is fucked up.
May 28th 2013
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^^^ all that needs to be said
May 28th 2013
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It's just funny how in this country that somehow it's become politically...
May 28th 2013
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      that's rich.
May 28th 2013
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      *rolls eyes*
May 28th 2013
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      RE: *rolls eyes*
May 28th 2013
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      I was just responding to Truth
May 28th 2013
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      The bottom line is anyone that considers themself a "Christian" and...
May 28th 2013
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           agreed. also, if you go to a red lobster after church. FRAUD
May 28th 2013
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           Or playing foodball
May 28th 2013
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           Nevermind Leviticus. It breaks a damn commandment
May 28th 2013
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                lol
May 28th 2013
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                lol!!
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           RE: agreed. also, if you go to a red lobster after church. FRAUD
May 28th 2013
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                ah yes, the all knowing god's revised statutes
May 28th 2013
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                     ^^^PLEAS COPPED
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                          ^^^ARROGANCE AND FOLLY
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                               it bans being gay though.
May 28th 2013
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                               RE: ^^^ARROGANCE AND FOLLY
May 28th 2013
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           right. you don't have to hate them. just apply different laws to them
May 28th 2013
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           As far as I know there aren't any churches in this country that are...
May 28th 2013
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           what he or any other Christian believes is a sin doesn't concern me
May 28th 2013
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           btw, this "analogy" is pretty dumb...
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                what "special legal privileges" are gay people looking for?
May 28th 2013
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                     ummm....marriage?
May 28th 2013
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                          that's not special!
May 28th 2013
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                          Let me break this down for you as simple as I can...
May 28th 2013
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                               THE POINT IS THE GOVERMENT DOESN'T FROWN ON IT
May 28th 2013
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                                    ummm...actually it does, especially during divorce proceedings...
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                                         RE: ummm...actually it does, especially during divorce proceedings...
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                                              Why do we have male and female restrooms?
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                                              GREAT QUESTION.
May 29th 2013
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                                              same with "In God We Trust" on the currency
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                          marriage is a civil contract
May 28th 2013
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           Nah "christians" are frauds because homosexuality/gay marriage
May 28th 2013
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      what religion is pro-gay marriage?
May 28th 2013
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      those Unitarian Universalists are running this country into the ground!
May 28th 2013
      No legitimate ones
May 28th 2013
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           so then how is this thread proof of anti-christianity pc?
May 28th 2013
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                You have poor reading comprehension.
May 28th 2013
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                     let me be more clear to you
May 28th 2013
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                          It's not just this topic but in general, it's seems like people are...
May 28th 2013
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                               so many reasons that logic fails
May 28th 2013
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                               Mainstream Christianity is not really on a crusade against gays...
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                                    i'd point to a poll, but i know it's just not worth it here
May 28th 2013
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                                         okayplayer.
May 28th 2013
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                               the people that built the Murfreesboro mosque would say otherwise
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                               lol
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                                    wow. that's just fucked up of you.
May 29th 2013
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                                         beat it, kafir.
May 29th 2013
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                                         bitch, please.
May 29th 2013
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                                         Then I guess Deep made a sweeping generalization, no?
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                                              what? deep's right.
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                                                   Idk, 2 of them got a violent in Boston recently....
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                                                        wow. 3 out of 5 million.
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                                                        They passed the 0.0000006ths test, sooooo...
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                                                        Moving the goalposts? I expected better from you.
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                                                        no, you missed a key word
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                                                        RE: no, you missed a key word
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                                                        so now unknowingly doing something is proof of intent?
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                                                        Nah, I was just giving some of them the benefit of doubt....
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                                                        Those 2 weren't Americans.....
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                                         Real talk, lol...
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                                         It's funny, but also scary as to how clueless they really are...nm
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                                              totally clueless..
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                                         guess who the biggest group of informants to the F.B.I. for terror
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                                              They were living in this country for almost 10 years
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                                                   The Atlanta Olympic Bombing
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                                                   I know.
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                                                   They weren't Americans, They were non-citizens from Chechnya
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                                                        You can get hung up on semantics if you want.
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                                                             nope
May 30th 2013
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                                                             I understand the situation all too well.
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                                                             with access to education, Israel capitulating to a Palestinian state
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                                                             Islamic extremism centers around 3 things mainly (in this order)
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                                                             I agree with #1 and #2
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                                                             It's not overblown. It's stated in many extremist groups charters.
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                                         you're wasting your time
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                               I hear you....
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      Churches still don't have to marry anyone they don't want to
May 28th 2013
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      yep, you hit the nail on the head
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      it's funny how many other religions try to put their dogma in state
May 28th 2013
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^^^^^^3 hunna
May 28th 2013
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Nail? Meet head. THIS.
May 28th 2013
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Boom
May 28th 2013
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I don't think he's saying "It's wrong"....
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maybe if the comment was about the homosexual lifestyle
May 28th 2013
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he wasn't arguing anything tho...he stated his opinion.
May 28th 2013
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there is no such thing as the homosexual lifestyle
May 28th 2013
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      RE: there is no such thing as the homosexual lifestyle
May 28th 2013
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           please, describe in detail the "heterosexual lifestyle" then
May 28th 2013
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                SPM likes to eat random fat girls' buttholes.
May 28th 2013
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                wat
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                     no. i'm serious. what is the heterosexual lifestyle
May 28th 2013
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                          I like when South American women fondle my balls.
May 28th 2013
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                               to be overly honest, cant say if i do
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entitled to what? persecute others?
May 28th 2013
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      How is he persecuting anyone? It was one sentence in an interview.
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           if you are against marriage quality you are infringing on the civil righ...
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i get what he was trying to say...he was better off with no comment.
May 28th 2013
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Really disappointing to hear this
May 28th 2013
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this is where i'm at.
May 28th 2013
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i for one am glad
May 28th 2013
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^^^Jamelle Holieway-esque Sooner Fan Scrambling
May 28th 2013
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      shrug
May 28th 2013
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      *SHOTS FIRED*
May 28th 2013
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           damn
May 28th 2013
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      Nah, his stance on this be pretty consistent.
May 28th 2013
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           me? my stance on what, exactly?
May 28th 2013
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                Defending you. You seem not NGAF about what athlete's say
May 28th 2013
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                     haha word, i was just confused about what you meant
May 28th 2013
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How you don't believe in something that already exists tho?
May 28th 2013
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so chris kluwe lost the fight to the death
May 28th 2013
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i think you're a little confused about the rules of a fight to the death
May 28th 2013
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      To be fair, signing with the Raiders is only like three notches above
May 28th 2013
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           says a vikings fan?
May 28th 2013
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                Yes
May 28th 2013
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so is he against gay marriage or not?
May 28th 2013
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your personal beliefs can be against homosexuality while being indiffere...
May 28th 2013
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post #47 n/m
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i'm thinking this post is gonna hit 300 replies.
May 28th 2013
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i respect him for flaunting his ignorance
May 28th 2013
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i'm kinda in this boat. he sounds like a guy who could eventually
May 28th 2013
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^^the best reply in here, well said.
May 28th 2013
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I ain't really that deep even, outside of the PC utopia that is OKP...
May 28th 2013
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umm...no, there isn't
May 28th 2013
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RE: umm...no, there isn't
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      i mean, i gave you a link to the damn poll
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           RE: i mean, i gave you a link to the damn poll
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                ahh...the anecdote over hard science
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                     Lol, so random polls = "hard science", FOH, we've seen enough...
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                          WTF?
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                               There are numerous examples where election results have turned out...
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                                    and many, MANY more where the polls were right
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                                    google "Nate Silver" and tell me again how polls are bullshit
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                                         Eh. Nate Silver is like the most overrated person, ever
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                                              for dudes who don't know statistics and polls he's good
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                                              Truth was talking polls and elections, so Silver seemed to make sense
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                                                   what he does with elections is low hanging fruit
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                                                        shrug, I like Silver
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                                                             LOL -- Are you serious?
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                                                             Bayes' thereom
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                                                                  Nah. Silver just has a pretty website that he updates often.
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                                                                       well, with the 2012 elections the talking heads that most people
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                                                                            LMMFAO!!! Who the fuck said that?
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                                                                            it's not that serious to me
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                                                                            "Contrarian?" You're kidding, right?
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                                                             i agree. that's what i was trying to say
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                                                                  I want to know what he's good at other than having a nice website.
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                                                                       he's a decent writer who translates statistics
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                                                                            So he explains the results of statistics? I don't get it.
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                                                                                 that's what he does. and it's useful
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                                                                                 This is my point. Explain:
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                                                                                 basically anytime i need to point out anecdotal evidence is bad
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                                                                                 The irony is actually killing me
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                                                                                 people understand anecdotal evidence's flaws better
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                                                                                 LOL!! I can't take this anymore.
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                                                                                 I mean, jersey's got a point
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                                                                                 .
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                                                                                 Um. Real Clear Politics takes the average of the major polls
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                                                                                 RCP did worse.
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                                                                                 Bwahahahahahahhahahhahahahhaha
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                                                                                 here we go again
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                                                                                 Yeah, ironically, Silver did worse than a single anecdotal set of polls
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                                                                                 i think you're really trying to hard to find a strawman here
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                                                                                 Right! So Silver is special because his website looks cool!
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                                                                                 ur going too far
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                                                                                 No, YALL are going too far assinging credit for NO REASON
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                                                                                 look, i've been fucking consistent
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                                                                                 Umm Pre-election polls were better than Silver. Much better.
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                                                                                 so he did better. ok
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                                                                                 Oh ok, so you're changing the message.
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yeah, but we talkin about a country ass dude raised in the church
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      who also went to one of the more religious/conservative state schools
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           what was the diversity like at a school like OU?
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                it's not very diverse at all
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Agreed
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Completely agree. Environment is the most impactful molder of opinion
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      Slippery slope. Same thing 4 segretationists and Klan sympathizers.
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           Right, but saying 'don't be racist' does nothing to address that enviro
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                A very Berkeley-ish, generation Y, Obama age response there.
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                     Reductio ad Hitlerum sighting....i'm out.
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                     only now?
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                     Godwin's Law
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                     o that was intentional
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                     And that's a very non-reading response. First line, 2nd paragraph
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The Onion already on top of this
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lolz
May 28th 2013
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Great. Just great.
May 28th 2013
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Oh Shit! The Dwight Howard one is hilarious too.
May 28th 2013
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lmao @ the wallace jab at the end
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They'll squeeze the controversy out of anything. Lol
May 28th 2013
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nor does he have to be nm
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LOL at "I'm not biased towards them." Right, you bigoted dummy.
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.
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he's allowed to say and believe what he wants.
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It would have been cooler if he said it wearing Capri Pants
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that doesn't bother me, he is entitled to his opinion
May 28th 2013
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Good point CC, there are many people of various races and cultures...
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Because those marriage aren't illegal
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it's not controversial on a personal level, but a public/legal one? yes
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lol wut
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      eh i guess it was unclear but what i was getting at is that ...
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my father is gay!
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lol - underrated
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i laughed
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deleting this ignorant shit
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Yeah I'm not with that gay shit either B
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you care enough to post up in here tho..
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gay is wrong........LOL
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its conditioning not natural
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No it's not, and if you spoke with a gay person you would quickly find o...
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      RE: No it's not, and if you spoke with a gay person you would quickly fi...
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           this isn't new, hell King James....you know the King James Bible?
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                here's the problem with your jibberish
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                     nothing to say
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                          only mouth breathing attention whore homosexuals..
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                               you say that shit in public?
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                               words, words, words.. nothing said
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                               that's total baloney
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                                    RE: that's total baloney
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                                         The point is you don't CHOOSE to be gay
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                                              Everything in life is a Choice, Stop acting weak.
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                                                   No it is not
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                                                   you chose to be how tall you are?
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                                                        ok ok you got me.. said me never
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                                                             RE: ok ok you got me.. said me never
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                                                                  RE: ok ok you got me.. said me never
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                                                                       bitch is a gendered term. deal with it.
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                                                                            I don't know your morals, I know you sound weak as can be tho
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oh and I'm not religious.. so keep that wack argument too ..nm
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      On what do you base rightness and wrongness then? Just curious.
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           MY morals which are based off..
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so glad that word isn't allowed on here anymore
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cool trolling.
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      trollin trollin trollin
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           your an homo
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so Kluwe went from Minnesota, where gay marriage is legal...
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i know right?
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      aw, if you want a picture so bad, just inbox me boo.
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           lol he said queer
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                :)~
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He believes in premarital sex tho, let's hope he isn't religious.
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That's what I hate.
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      of course they do.
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           technically we're not even allowed to go to the bathroom
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                i love that episode.
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                I've even done the stuff that contradicts the other stuff.
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                lol "have you ever sat down and READ this thing?"
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As always, atheism is the answer.
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this turned into a discussion about Islam lol
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Good points were made about that too, if the US govt and immigration...
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      lol
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      Beck and Hannity are part of the immigration nazi's that I'm taking...
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           and they are fear mongering xenophobics about American Muslims
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                Hannity and Beck are drama queens. We all know that.
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      lol, what?
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      if ThaTruth is on your side
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      WAT
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Ar . . . chive?
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politics and religion
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      At least we were able to debate things in a civilized manner (for the mo...
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southphillyman
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1. "lol knew what this was just off the fact you posted it"
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should be interesting to see oks do a complete 180 on dude based off this tho

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4. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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6. "nah, it'll be excused here."
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ThaTruth, however, is still not allowed to be anti-gay marriage until he runs for 2,000 yards.

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11. "I actually think he's effeminate and probably likes dick himself"
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Kinda like ThaTruth

Helluva running back, though. Unlike ThaTruth

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93. "cotdamn lol"
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2. "Not surprising. He a bamma."
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http://clydefrazierapproves.com/
http://stylepoints.tumblr.com/

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3. "Really shouldn't be a big deal."
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He said "to each his own" but he just personally wasn't with it. There's nothing wrong with that.

  

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5. "pretty much."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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7. "basically, I don't know where people get this idea that folx aren't"
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entitled to their own values and beliefs..
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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
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8. "it's bigotry. We expect people not to express bigotry in public"
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10. "Because saying its wrong for two adults to get married is fucked up. "
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Tue May-28-13 10:43 AM by Orbit_Established

  

          



Based of who they are attracted to and like
to fuck

Its dumb and backwards, and bigoted

That's why

This whole "to each his own" is precisely the
rationale for "separate but equal"

"I got no problem with niggers, they should be able
to vote and go to school, I just don't want them in
my school"

Its a miserable cop out

Its bigoted


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12. "^^^ all that needs to be said"
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He could've said "I want to talk about football" and no commented that question, but he chose to let people know that he is against a portion of America's lifestyle. Sad.

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22. "It's just funny how in this country that somehow it's become politically..."
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correct to respect the beliefs and customs of every other religion EXCEPT for Christianity.

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24. "that's rich. "
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do i get to play the "white people are persecuted" card now?

  

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26. "*rolls eyes*"
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>correct to respect the beliefs and customs of every other
>religion EXCEPT for Christianity.

Christianity is the dominant religion in the U.S., so yes, it will get called out more often than the other ones. Judaism, Islam, etc. generally aren't holding people down in this country, so they somewhat get a pass. When Christianity or any religion gets in the way of others' rights (on issues where the group in question isn't harming anyone), then why should people respect that? If more Christians had the attitude of "I'm personally not for it, but that shouldn't determine the law."* then it wouldn't be an issue.


*you know, separation of church and state.

  

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42. "RE: *rolls eyes*"
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>"I'm personally not for it, but that shouldn't determine the
>law."* then it wouldn't be an issue.

That's pretty much his message.

  

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46. "I was just responding to Truth"
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but yeah, I wish more Christians and people who only call themselves "Libertarians" could make that connection.

  

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47. "The bottom line is anyone that considers themself a "Christian" and..."
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supports gay marriage is a fraud.

That doesn't mean you have to "hate" gays if you are Christian. Homosexuality is a sin just like any other that we commit everyday. The church shouldn't shun or turn away those who sin but embrace them, but that doesn't mean it should condone what they are doing as right.

And the Islamic view of homosexuality is even harsher.

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48. "agreed. also, if you go to a red lobster after church. FRAUD"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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51. "Or playing foodball"
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You niggas going to ignore Leviticus 1 -8?

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73. "Nevermind Leviticus. It breaks a damn commandment"
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Everything about the pastime of watching/playing NFL football is pretty much the antithesis of keeping holy the sabbath.

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78. "lol"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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58. "RE: agreed. also, if you go to a red lobster after church. FRAUD"
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http://dukeofcheston.wordpress.com/2012/02/18/the-gay-shellfish-argument/

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62. "ah yes, the all knowing god's revised statutes"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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63. "^^^PLEAS COPPED"
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65. "^^^ARROGANCE AND FOLLY"
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nothing in the new testament bans gay marriage.

and the fact that you pick a group of people to hate on the basis of some specious lines of text from a 2000 year old morality tale, because you're afraid that nothing happens when you die, reminds me that i shouldn't waste my time replying to you.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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67. "it bans being gay though."
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>nothing in the new testament bans gay marriage.

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81. "RE: ^^^ARROGANCE AND FOLLY"
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>nothing in the new testament bans gay marriage.
>
>and the fact that you pick a group of people to hate on

Actually the bible teaches to love the sinner, hate the sin. It says nothing about singling out a certain group of sinners. Homosexuals single themselves out for expecting to receive a "waiver" for their sins.

>the
>basis of some specious lines of text from a 2000 year old
>morality tale, because you're afraid that nothing happens when
>you die, reminds me that i shouldn't waste my time replying to
>you.

It is what it is, Christianity is based on the bible, you either believe in it or you don't.

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53. "right. you don't have to hate them. just apply different laws to them"
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bottom line is that any church and any adherent to that church can believe whatever they want from a spiritual standpoint and what happens to your everlasting soul when you're dead.

but for the living, here on this real earth, they need to keep their bigotry out of civil law.

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60. "As far as I know there aren't any churches in this country that are..."
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dictating civil law

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55. "what he or any other Christian believes is a sin doesn't concern me"
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it's when those beliefs define the law that i have a problem. AP doesn't seem to care about the legal status, but more often than not Christians do. comparing it to another sexual "sin": adultery is totally legal and no one argues that it shouldn't be, yet more people and families are actually hurt by adultery than gay marriage.

  

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100. "btw, this "analogy" is pretty dumb..."
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>it's when those beliefs define the law that i have a problem.
>AP doesn't seem to care about the legal status, but more often
>than not Christians do. comparing it to another sexual "sin":
>adultery is totally legal and no one argues that it shouldn't
>be, yet more people and families are actually hurt by adultery
>than gay marriage.

you don't have to have a license or anything to be an adulterer nor do you get any special legal privileges because of it

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109. "what "special legal privileges" are gay people looking for?"
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they're not looking for something straight people don't have, they're looking for what they do have. and the analogy was that in the case of adultery the laws of god do not dictate the laws of man in a nation that bases itself on separation of church and state. no one is taking away YOUR right to condemn gay people/marriage, they're just saying your disapproval should have nothing to do with the law. just like it doesn't with adultery, premarital sex, etc.

  

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113. "ummm....marriage?"
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115. "that's not special!"
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that's normal legal privileges! if everyone else has those privileges, getting them isn't getting something "special."

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119. "Let me break this down for you as simple as I can..."
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adultery = homosexuality
adultery /= gay marriage

You don't need any kind of government approval to commit adultery, you just do it.

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120. "THE POINT IS THE GOVERMENT DOESN'T FROWN ON IT"
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WHEN THE BIBLE DOES. THERE'S LITERALLY A COMMANDMENT ON ADULTERY AND YET IT'S NOT A LAW.

And I'll ask, once again, why should the laws of God dictate the laws of man in a country that has separation of church and state? Why can't it just be that they can get married and then you can shake your head a bunch?

  

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124. "ummm...actually it does, especially during divorce proceedings..."
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also, similar to homosexuality, once upon a time the consequences for committing adultery were a lot harsher, particularly for women.

>
>WHEN THE BIBLE DOES. THERE'S LITERALLY A COMMANDMENT ON
>ADULTERY AND YET IT'S NOT A LAW.
>
>And I'll ask, once again, why should the laws of God dictate
>the laws of man in a country that has separation of church and
>state? Why can't it just be that they can get married and then
>you can shake your head a bunch?

"One nation, under GOD..."

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126. "RE: ummm...actually it does, especially during divorce proceedings..."
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>also, similar to homosexuality, once upon a time the
>consequences for committing adultery were a lot harsher,
>particularly for women.

LOL, yet we as a society moved beyond that. what an awful example. and divorce proceedings are irrelevant. they don't lock you up or ban you from marrying again, you just have to pay more because you didn't honor the contract the way you said you would. that's just how contracts work.


>>And I'll ask, once again, why should the laws of God dictate
>>the laws of man in a country that has separation of church
>and
>>state? Why can't it just be that they can get married and
>then
>>you can shake your head a bunch?
>
>"One nation, under GOD..."

the pledge of allegiance is a meaningless recitation that has no bearing on the law (and I can't believe I have to explain this to you). also the words "under God" were not in the original pledge, they were only added later on as an "eff you" to commies. so if you could go ahead and answer the question, that'd be great.

  

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163. "Why do we have male and female restrooms?"
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189. "GREAT QUESTION."
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227. "same with "In God We Trust" on the currency"
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they don't like to talk about that though

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117. "marriage is a civil contract"
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and around long before there were any religious implications

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99. "Nah "christians" are frauds because homosexuality/gay marriage"
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is the only issue they seem to invoke or hide behind their beliefs...

If they have problems w/men taking a cock up the dodo maker because the thought of it sounds icky and painful then they should say that because there's many men/ppl against homosexuality for that reason

but

to act as if gay marriage/homosexuality is an affront to your christianity, when there's so many other more pressing issues that go against what christians say they believe in, and I don't see them railing against, is so disingenuous at best and hypocritical at worse...


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28. "what religion is pro-gay marriage?"
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like whose religion is getting all this love that poor ole christians aren't receiving?

please, god, don't be dumb enough to say islam.

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"those Unitarian Universalists are running this country into the ground!"


  

          

  

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61. "No legitimate ones"
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70. "so then how is this thread proof of anti-christianity pc?"
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if every religion agrees with christianity on being wrong here?

smdh at you contradicting yourself. enjoy the plea copping you shall commence in 3...2...1

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87. "You have poor reading comprehension."
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>if every religion agrees with christianity on being wrong
>here?
>
>smdh at you contradicting yourself. enjoy the plea copping you
>shall commence in 3...2...1
>

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89. "let me be more clear to you"
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if every religion agrees with christianity (and I think they're wrong), how is this in any way evidence of an anti-christian sentiment? isn't it just an anti-religion sentiment?

and it's not even anti-religion, it's anti-religion in public policy. entirely different. One is a flawed ideology, the other is kinda a bedrock of a good, tolerant democracy.

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91. "It's not just this topic but in general, it's seems like people are..."
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expected to go out of their way not to offend Muslims, Jews, etc., there generally is just not the same kidskin-glove handling with Christianity. I just don't see the others religions being challenged or attacked as much, it's just my observation.

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92. "so many reasons that logic fails"
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-christians are the dominant group in society (that'd be christians, not muslims, jews, or atheists)
-YOU DON'T SEE ISLAM ATTACKED OR CHALLENGED?!?! are you blind? that's just wrong
-There isn't a history of anti-christian violence/hatred/discrimination like there is for Jews (and, more recently, Muslims)
-what other religion in the US has the power to have ever or currently foist it's own public policy goals and desires on others? Hint: none.

there's simply no victimhood for christianity.

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94. "Mainstream Christianity is not really on a crusade against gays..."
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there are factions here and there that are vocal about it but for most there are bigger issues and bigger fish to fry. But if you ask them how they feel about it if their are real they're not going to lie to you.

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105. "i'd point to a poll, but i know it's just not worth it here"
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with you. and your deflections. there's no anti-christian pc on this, i called bullshit and you diverted. not happening. you bullshitted and got caught.

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111. "okayplayer."
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118. "the people that built the Murfreesboro mosque would say otherwise"
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as well as the people that attend the 4 mosques in Germany that been attacked recently

and all the horseshit "radical" arguments made about the 5 million Muslims in this country who had nothing to do with 9/11 and are a peace loving people

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128. "lol"
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> and are a peace loving people
>
>

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129. "wow. that's just fucked up of you."
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rethink your sweeping generalizations and the evil they can/do bring in many.

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130. "beat it, kafir."
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edit,

do i think all 5 million are potential jihadists? No.

do i think all 5 million are tolerant "peace loving people" ? Lol, hell no.

liberal white folks naïveté towards islam is always good for a chuckle here and there though.

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146. "bitch, please."
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>do i think all 5 million are tolerant "peace loving people" ?
>Lol, hell no.

man, give me a random sample of 5 million christians and you'll see some abortion snipers and bombers and militia members in there. give me a random sample of jews and you have Israel. full stop.

>liberal white folks naïveté towards islam is always good for a
>chuckle here and there though.

sweeping overgeneralizations of a religion that doesn't have much of a track record of internal religious US violence towards others isn't good for a chuckle, tho.

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150. "Then I guess Deep made a sweeping generalization, no?"
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>sweeping overgeneralizations of a religion that doesn't have
>much of a track record of internal religious US violence
>towards others

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151. "what? deep's right."
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the 5 million muslims in the US have shown no evidence of being a particularly violent group. full stop.

unless you're talking about something else?
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156. "Idk, 2 of them got a violent in Boston recently...."
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>the 5 million muslims in the US have shown no evidence of
>being a particularly violent group. full stop.

another one got really violent in Fort Hood..

You cant make a claim about 5 million people, when there are clear examples saying otherwise.

That's all I was laughing at.

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172. "wow. 3 out of 5 million."
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GUILTY! smdh.

if that's all it takes, christianity is in the midst of another fucking crusade.



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176. "They passed the 0.0000006ths test, sooooo..."
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180. "Moving the goalposts? I expected better from you."
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>GUILTY! smdh.

you said there isn't any evidence that there are violent muslims within that 5 million number.

i gave you 3 examples otherwise.

i'm not even sure what you want to argue now.

>It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

yea, I laughed quite a bit at your overly emotional responses.

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184. "no, you missed a key word"
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"particularly"

>yea, I laughed quite a bit at your overly emotional
>responses.

i'm not laughing at your islamaphobia. shit's fucked up.

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188. "RE: no, you missed a key word"
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>"particularly"

I listed 3 immediate examples. I could have gone into depth about so called Islamic "charities", and other ways that terrorism is supported/funded by the Muslim community (knowingly and unknowingly) in the United States, but that would have been a whole different post unto itself.

For the record, IDGAF what people think about my "islamophobia". My opinions are my own, but trust, I'm better informed about Islam (historically + religiously) than almost every single person in OKS.


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190. "so now unknowingly doing something is proof of intent?"
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LMAO. awesome.

>(knowingly and unknowingly) in the United States, but that
>would have been a whole different post unto itself.

>For the record, IDGAF what people think about my
>"islamophobia". My opinions are my own, but trust, I'm better
>informed about Islam (historically + religiously) than almost
>every single person in OKS.

good for you. smae those opinions and your assumption that you know more about the religion and its people includes a dangerous misrepresentation of millions of people.

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193. "Nah, I was just giving some of them the benefit of doubt...."
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...bc i'm a reasonable guy. I'm sure some of them don't know that the charities they donate to are a front.

im not sure what you were trying to say in the 2nd part of your post. I was just Heisman'ing the inevitable "you're misinformed/misguided" reply from one of my trolls.

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228. "Those 2 weren't Americans....."
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5 million AMERICAN Muslims

At some point the lack of education plays more of a factor abroad in much the same way you can't blame Christianity for the Crusades

it's more or less a brainwashed uneducated faction and less about any religion

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165. "Real talk, lol..."
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>liberal white folks naïveté towards islam is always good for a
>chuckle here and there though.

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183. "It's funny, but also scary as to how clueless they really are...nm"
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222. "totally clueless.."
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226. "guess who the biggest group of informants to the F.B.I. for terror"
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plots in the U.S. .....American Muslims

Let's also not forget, Timothy McVeigh was a Christian

I'm no liberal white with naivete, and I would appreciate you leaving your ignorant labels at the door

Israel is as much or more to blame for the situation anyway

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232. "They were living in this country for almost 10 years "
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..and their citizenship papers were pending. This wasn't the act of someone fresh off the boat from Yemen/pakistan/etc.

please stop.

>Let's also not forget, Timothy McVeigh was a Christian

Irrelevant. McVeigh's terrorist attack wasn't based on any theological ideology.

>Israel is as much or more to blame for the situation anyway

Lol, you sound like one of "them" now.


edit, and American Muslims would be the number 1 source for the FBI because they're more likely to come across Islamic extremism than someone who doesn't spend time in mosques and/or congregate with other Muslims. I'm not really swayed by that.

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235. "The Atlanta Olympic Bombing"
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The Jewish Defense League, and the Army of God, the sikh temple attack, and OBGYN murderers all have professed religious motivations (christian and or jewish).

and let's not forget the KKK's christian mythology.

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240. "I know."
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236. "They weren't Americans, They were non-citizens from Chechnya"
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Israel allows a Palestinian State with the capitol in East Jerusalem, gives back the Golan Heights to Syria, stops building settlements in occupied territories and bombing civilians and children in Lebanon

the U.S. military stops its occupation on foreign soil long after the confrontation is over....see Japan and Germany.....Saudi Arabia...the list goes on an on

I bet most of it goes away

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239. "You can get hung up on semantics if you want."
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..but they were fully immersed in Western and American culture. Had they not carried out those attacks, they likely would have been granted citizenship.

>Israel allows a Palestinian State with the capitol in East
>Jerusalem, gives back the Golan Heights to Syria, stops
>building settlements in occupied territories and bombing
>civilians and children in Lebanon

>the U.S. military stops its occupation on foreign soil long
>after the confrontation is over....see Japan and
>Germany.....Saudi Arabia...the list goes on an on


>I bet most of it goes away

naïveté in full display homie.

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242. "nope"
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If you are turning a blind eye to Israel, you don't understand the situation

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245. "I understand the situation all too well."
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>If you are turning a blind eye to Israel, you don't
>understand the situation


..but if you think islamic extremism would just dissipate with the solution of the Israeli Palestine conflict, then you're sorely mistaken.

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248. "with access to education, Israel capitulating to a Palestinian state"
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and the end of the blank check from the U.S. for funding

I think it would change

I guess we will have to agree to disagree here

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250. "Islamic extremism centers around 3 things mainly (in this order)"
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>and the end of the blank check from the U.S. for funding
>
>I think it would change


1. liberation of palestine

2. the expulsion of non Islamic military presence in Muslim countries

3. the establishment of a worldwide Islamic caliphate + the implementation of Sharia


until all 3 objectives are achieved, it will never change.







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257. "I agree with #1 and #2"
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Not with #3, the whole Sharia law thing is overblown and there is no factual evidence to it being spread here

what is also important and hasn't been mentioned is for the u.s. military industrial complex to keep creating artificial bogeyman to justify spending 700 billion dollars on defense spending and overseas military occupation

somebody makes money blowing up Iraq to shreds when they are no threat, someone makes money rebuilding Iraq

guess what the objective is in the Iran, Syria, Lebanon....etc...?

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259. "It's not overblown. It's stated in many extremist groups charters."
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>Not with #3, the whole Sharia law thing is overblown and
>there is no factual evidence to it being spread here

..but I agree with the rest....

However the implementation of the Sharia in the west isn't the most pressing matter to these groups. The first and foremost task (according to them) is unifying the Ummah against the kuffar. Baby steps. First Afghanistan (lol the US is in negotiations with the Taliban AS WE SPEAK) then Pakistan. then Indonesia. then the Phillipines. then Chechnya. and then...and then..and then... AND THEN the west.


edit, the threat level of sharia here is still zilch, but terrorist groups will still use it as an excuse to carry out attacks against "western values" etc.


>what is also important and hasn't been mentioned is for the
>u.s. military industrial complex to keep creating artificial
>bogeyman to justify spending 700 billion dollars on defense
>spending and overseas military occupation
>
>somebody makes money blowing up Iraq to shreds when they are
>no threat, someone makes money rebuilding Iraq


Iraq was a total blunder. I'm not sure you'll find anyone here who disagrees.


>guess what the objective is in the Iran, Syria,
>Lebanon....etc...?

There are many objectives...

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133. "you're wasting your time "
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224. "I hear you...."
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It's mostly the left. But there's a good reason.

Of course we feel more comfortable critiquing Christianity. I'm not a Christain...but my grandparents were, and their parents were, and their parents were. So yah. I'm gonna feel within my rights to critique Christianity because I'm familiar with it....it's part of my heritage.

If I were to direct that kinda critique towards Sikhism? Yah...it's not really my place to do so. I'll leave that for people have that religion in their heritage.

So it's partly manners....and partly talking about something you know or are familiar with.

  

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31. "Churches still don't have to marry anyone they don't want to"
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Allowing two consenting adults to get a state-recognized marriage isn't hurting anyone's religion.

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229. "yep, you hit the nail on the head"
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evangelical overreach on a civil contract is the real problem here

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40. "it's funny how many other religions try to put their dogma in state"
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nothing else needs to be said

  

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29. "Nail? Meet head. THIS."
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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37. "Boom "
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122. "I don't think he's saying "It's wrong"...."
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he's saying that he's not with it.... He wasn't super articulate in his answer, but by him personalize it.... then saying to each his own..... I'm not sure he's making a value judgement of what OTHER people are doing that is worth attacking....

People have personal opinions about this issue that aren't really connected to what they view other people should or shouldn't be allowed to do....

Not sure it's really fair to ask guys about this issue as much as they do. If folks choose to come out in support of it..let them...but the media is going to start looking for guys to either be inarticulate...ignorant or even hateful....

  

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15. "maybe if the comment was about the homosexual lifestyle"
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but he was talking about gay marriage specifically
i use to just say give them civil unions that had all the same benefits as "marriage"
so at that point it's just an issue of semantics and the religious ppl would see it as a compromise
but that wasn't good enough so fuck it let them get married
arguing against it morally or arguing that they aren't born that way because there's no scientific support is one thing
but u can't really argue that they shouldn't be able to create legal unions imo

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16. "he wasn't arguing anything tho...he stated his opinion."
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I don't think he went off on a tirade about it.

>but u can't really argue that they shouldn't be able to create legal unions imo

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "there is no such thing as the homosexual lifestyle"
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20. "RE: there is no such thing as the homosexual lifestyle"
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if there's a culture or community surrounding something i think it's fair to characterize it as a "lifestyle"
especially if there is a unique component shared among those members (ie: same sex attraction)
ain't really trying to get into a dumb back and forth over semantics tho
most ppl that read that will know what i mean

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21. "please, describe in detail the "heterosexual lifestyle" then"
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>most ppl that read that will know what i mean

yeah, we do. and that's why we call it out. it's bullshit to presume there's a singular culture of homosexuality. so, please, school us on the singular culture of heterosexuality that you imply must exist as well.
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27. "SPM likes to eat random fat girls' buttholes. "
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He said as much

Not sure what lifestyle that is

Certainly not Straight_Lifetyle_Established

Not like any other heterosexual I know of either


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68. "wat"
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you mean the dominating norm of our christian society?
lol
i hope you're being dumb for the sake of being PC and don't actually need that described in detail
if you want to actively identify yourself as x
you can't argue that elements of that experience have no bearing on how you live your life
because that's precisely what is does.....
iono, maybe you don't know what lifestyle means?
no worries, it's not an argument that homosexuals are some homogeneous group
and there are better, logical, ways for u to take position against bigots btw
like i said ain't really interested in having back/forth with ppl who can't use basic reason. reply if u want i ain't reading the shit

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72. "no. i'm serious. what is the heterosexual lifestyle"
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all of us heterosexuals have that in common (like all homosexuals), but please, let me know what my "lifestyle" is.

>you mean the dominating norm of our christian society?

well, that's a problem for us heterosexuals who aren't christian!

>if you want to actively identify yourself as x
>you can't argue that elements of that experience have no
>bearing on how you live your life

SO WHAT IS MY HETEROSEXUAL LIFESTYLE!?!?! please tell me what i've actively identified myself with!!!

>like i said ain't really interested in having back/forth with
>ppl who can't use basic reason. reply if u want i ain't
>reading the shit

oh, you read this. you just know you fucked up.


it's like talking about a monolithic "black" or "jewish" or "tall" lifestyle. there might be some commonality--like experiencing racism or homophobia or hitting one's head on a door. but that doesn't mean there's a singular "lifestyle" and that's important, because "lifestyle" and "homosexual" together are a code for straight people to be homophobic without having to say they think gay people are "icky" outright.

Hell, what's the "homosexual lifestyle"? Because most gay people aren't wearing leather, living in the Castro, and having lots of anonymous gay sex with their mustached bear friends in a bathhouse.
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75. "I like when South American women fondle my balls. "
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You?

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80. "to be overly honest, cant say if i do"
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i'd probably say yes, but i've never experienced it (why'd it have to be south american?).

do i not fit the heterosexual lifestyle? what are my options? now i'm worried. shit.

and what about hetero women? they must not fit the lifestyle. TRADITIONAL LIFESTYLES ARE DYING!!!!!

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112. "entitled to what? persecute others?"
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Fuck that George Wallace kind of thinking

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142. "How is he persecuting anyone? It was one sentence in an interview."
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I don't think you know what that word means.

  

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211. "if you are against marriage quality you are infringing on the civil righ..."
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of others

as marriage is a civil contract

if two people want to go to the court house and be married, that should be their decision and their decision only

using religious dogma to try and deny that is persecution

the Mormon church pumping money into CA to defeat it is just one example

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9. "i get what he was trying to say...he was better off with no comment."
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13. "Really disappointing to hear this"
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Probably not as disappointing as Matt Birk's dumbass writing editorials, but it still sucks.

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23. "this is where i'm at."
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i expect more from athletes for some stupid reason. need to stop doing that.

  

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18. "i for one am glad"
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that adrian peterson runs with a football instead of creating public policy for minnesotans and americans.

who's got that michelle bachman interview about pass protection?

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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33. "^^^Jamelle Holieway-esque Sooner Fan Scrambling"
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>that adrian peterson runs with a football instead of creating
>public policy for minnesotans and americans.
>
>who's got that michelle bachman interview about pass
>protection?

  

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38. "shrug"
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not thrilled about it.

don't really care.

when he gets elected to something, it'll be more of an issue to me.

(and you can use the word alum. some of us actually attended the school's we root for. )

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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52. "*SHOTS FIRED*"
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>(and you can use the word alum. some of us actually attended
>the school's we root for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAFZnvTfFAs

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64. "damn"
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43. "Nah, his stance on this be pretty consistent. "
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n/m

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44. "me? my stance on what, exactly?"
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just curious.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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50. "Defending you. You seem not NGAF about what athlete's say"
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But obviously not because you don't care about the
issue

You almost sound like you're defending dumb athletes,
but you're not

I get what you're saying

Damn dude this is a mouthful, shit

I was defending you damn

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56. "haha word, i was just confused about what you meant"
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but yeah, that's true.

within certain bounds of decent human behavior, i don't really give a shit what athletes do off the field/court/whatever.

they aren't my friends, they aren't my role models, and they sure aren't my elected officials, so why does it really matter?

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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19. "How you don't believe in something that already exists tho?"
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nm

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25. "so chris kluwe lost the fight to the death "
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and thats why he got cut

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30. "i think you're a little confused about the rules of a fight to the death"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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32. "To be fair, signing with the Raiders is only like three notches above"
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actually dying on the chart of Things That Define Death.

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34. "says a vikings fan? "
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76. "Yes"
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35. "so is he against gay marriage or not?"
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we know what your stupid ass beliefs are
a lot of people have those same beliefs
but what it comes down to is would you be in favor a law allowing gay marriage?
i cant wrap my head around people making this issue about themself or what their religion taught them
you can do all that shit and still let gays get married and we can all go about our business

  

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39. "your personal beliefs can be against homosexuality while being indiffere..."
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as to what the laws are.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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66. "post #47 n/m"
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36. "i'm thinking this post is gonna hit 300 replies."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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41. "i respect him for flaunting his ignorance"
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look, man, "gay rights" is NEW to black folks, especially country ass black folks raised in the church.

he don't know different. he gotta be educated, and it's gotta become familiar enough to not threaten him. AP don't sit around being philosophical about "gay" shit. that clearly don't happen with him. he was asked and his social and cultural programming answered.

i ain't gonna treat every "anti" gay statement like the person who said it was off the tim hardaway.

and i definitely don't want people like AP to "just keep his mouth closed." nah, if you wanna have a real conversation, let them speak, so you can rebut and hopefully EDUCATE.

we ain't gettin nowhere with this instant universal denouncement game. i'm kinda tired of it.

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54. "i'm kinda in this boat. he sounds like a guy who could eventually"
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come around, but that doesn't make me less disappointed in his stance. doesn't mean i'm running out to grab my pitchfork.

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59. "^^the best reply in here, well said."
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71. "I ain't really that deep even, outside of the PC utopia that is OKP..."
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there is still a fairly large majority that doesn't support gay marriage and its not just limited to "country ass black folks raised in the church"

The "gay rights" movement has just become so loud and aggressive that most people are afraid to speak their minds publicly or even online so when someone actually does certain people find it "shocking".

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74. "umm...no, there isn't"
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>there is still a fairly large majority that doesn't support
>gay marriage and its not just limited to "country ass black
>folks raised in the church"

i believe you mean "minority"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-president-obamas-announcement-opposition-to-gay-marriage-hits-record-low/2012/05/22/gIQAlAYRjU_story.html?hpid=z3

even within the black community, which had historically been more strongly opposed.

>The "gay rights" movement has just become so loud and
>aggressive that most people are afraid to speak their minds
>publicly or even online so when someone actually does certain
>people find it "shocking".

LMAO. please. every thread on this anywhere on the innertubes has somebody spouting about traditional marriage and the war against christianity. lol @ that bullshit victim mentality to deny the fact that history is washing your views away.

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83. "RE: umm...no, there isn't"
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>>there is still a fairly large majority that doesn't support
>>gay marriage and its not just limited to "country ass black
>>folks raised in the church"
>
>i believe you mean "minority"
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-president-obamas-announcement-opposition-to-gay-marriage-hits-record-low/2012/05/22/gIQAlAYRjU_story.html?hpid=z3
>
>even within the black community, which had historically been
>more strongly opposed.

lol, that's a "poll", who did they poll? And it's been put on a ballot to be voted on what usually happens?

>>The "gay rights" movement has just become so loud and
>>aggressive that most people are afraid to speak their minds
>>publicly or even online so when someone actually does
>certain
>>people find it "shocking".
>
>LMAO. please. every thread on this anywhere on the innertubes
>has somebody spouting about traditional marriage and the war
>against christianity. lol @ that bullshit victim mentality to
>deny the fact that history is washing your views away.

As far as online I'm not talking about random Internet sites. There are plenty of people that post on this board that don't support the gay agenda but generally back down from really speaking on it for fear of being attacked or called a "bigot".

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85. "i mean, i gave you a link to the damn poll"
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>lol, that's a "poll", who did they poll? And it's been put on
>a ballot to be voted on what usually happens?

dawg, that's the dumbest shit i've heard in a while. you doubting random sampled polls now? LMAO.

http://news.yahoo.com/african-americans-last-democratic-holdouts-gay-marriage-114604870.html

and please note, the pew compiled poll includes some older polls. the clear reality is that within the black population, there's no majority opposition, and there might be majority support.

>As far as online I'm not talking about random Internet sites.
>There are plenty of people that post on this board that don't
>support the gay agenda but generally back down from really
>speaking on it for fear of being attacked or called a
>"bigot".

oh please. do they inbox you "thanks" or some shit? you and spm are loud enough that other people can go 'head and post what they want and we'll mostly focus on your two dumb asses.

you talking about secret lists like a homophobic Joe McCarthy right now.

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88. "RE: i mean, i gave you a link to the damn poll"
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>>lol, that's a "poll", who did they poll? And it's been put
>on
>>a ballot to be voted on what usually happens?
>
>dawg, that's the dumbest shit i've heard in a while. you
>doubting random sampled polls now? LMAO.
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/african-americans-last-democratic-holdouts-gay-marriage-114604870.html
>
>and please note, the pew compiled poll includes some older
>polls. the clear reality is that within the black population,
>there's no majority opposition, and there might be majority
>support.

It clearly states that the polls that show African Americans supporting gay marriage is a much smaller sample size then again I don't need a poll to tell me how African-Americans feel because I AM one and I know African Americans across the country that I communicate with regularly and I know how the majority of them feel. Their not a fan of it buys not a big enough issue for them to go out an protest in the streets about it.


>>As far as online I'm not talking about random Internet
>sites.
>>There are plenty of people that post on this board that
>don't
>>support the gay agenda but generally back down from really
>>speaking on it for fear of being attacked or called a
>>"bigot".
>
>oh please. do they inbox you "thanks" or some shit? you and
>spm are loud enough that other people can go 'head and post
>what they want and we'll mostly focus on your two dumb asses.
>
>you talking about secret lists like a homophobic Joe McCarthy
>right now.

There are no secret lists, plenty of people on the boards that have voiced their opinions here and there but tend to shy away when the gay crusaders like yourself come rolling in.

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90. "ahh...the anecdote over hard science"
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>It clearly states that the polls that show African Americans
>supporting gay marriage is a much smaller sample size then
>again I don't need a poll to tell me how African-Americans
>feel because I AM one and I know African Americans across the
>country that I communicate with regularly and I know how the
>majority of them feel. Their not a fan of it buys not a big
>enough issue for them to go out an protest in the streets
>about it.

you don't understand sample size, do you. so your self-selected sample of people you talk to personally >>>> a random, albeit small, sample size? LMAO.

the fact is that when you aggregate the polls, it's pretty much even. Once you factor in the fact that the newer polls show majority support and the older polls didn't...well, it's pretty clear what's going on here.

>There are no secret lists, plenty of people on the boards that
>have voiced their opinions here and there but tend to shy away
>when the gay crusaders like yourself come rolling in.

i'm the "gay crusader" but you're the one hurling names. yep, i'm the one shutting down conversation, not the guy who calls me "the gay crusader."

lol. ok.

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95. "Lol, so random polls = "hard science", FOH, we've seen enough..."
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bullshit political polls over the years to know that stuff needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

And yeah, I LOL whenever a white person on this board tries to school me on how black people think and feel.

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107. "WTF?"
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>bullshit political polls over the years to know that stuff
>needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

umm, what? polls are actually unbelievably reliable. especially on public opinion stuff like this. but yeah, carry on with your head in the sand. SMDH.

>And yeah, I LOL whenever a white person on this board tries to
>school me on how black people think and feel.

hey, you made the factual claim that's not backed up by any evidence except what you say. but whatever. believe social science or not, it doesn't matter because your side IS LOSING. gay marriage is happening, and the country is mostly fine with it, including most black people.

i LOL when you try to make this a racial issue and not about homophobia and basic reading of polls.

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114. "There are numerous examples where election results have turned out..."
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far different than what the "polls" said.

>>bullshit political polls over the years to know that stuff
>>needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
>
>umm, what? polls are actually unbelievably reliable.
>especially on public opinion stuff like this. but yeah, carry
>on with your head in the sand. SMDH.
>
>>And yeah, I LOL whenever a white person on this board tries
>to
>>school me on how black people think and feel.
>
>hey, you made the factual claim that's not backed up by any
>evidence except what you say. but whatever. believe social
>science or not, it doesn't matter because your side IS LOSING.
>gay marriage is happening, and the country is mostly fine with
>it, including most black people.
>
>i LOL when you try to make this a racial issue and not about
>homophobia and basic reading of polls.
>

Lol, I don't think I was the one that made it a racial issue but carry on with your fairy(no pun intended) tales

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116. "and many, MANY more where the polls were right"
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lmao.

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135. "google "Nate Silver" and tell me again how polls are bullshit"
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144. "Eh. Nate Silver is like the most overrated person, ever"
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I agree with your point, but Nate Silver name dropping
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147. "for dudes who don't know statistics and polls he's good"
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once you know what he's talking about, he's pretty ehhhh.
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149. "Truth was talking polls and elections, so Silver seemed to make sense"
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you guys have issues with how he modeled the election polling, or is it other statistical analysis of his that doesn't hold water?

i'm not really familiar with him outside of 2012 elections.

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152. "what he does with elections is low hanging fruit"
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and he mucks it up in some unnecessary ways. but he's readable and has got a lot of people believing in statistics who normally would ThaTruth their way out of it.

the Princeton elections guy is better, imo, and Silver's basically just an average statistical mind who was the smart one and made it accessible to a larger "smart" audience.

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153. "shrug, I like Silver"
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He makes the math and science pretty accessible for people who aren't math and science people by nature.

There's value in that, I think.

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154. "LOL -- Are you serious? "
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>He makes the math and science pretty accessible for people
>who aren't math and science people by nature.

Name one scientific concept he's made clear for people.

Honest question

Literally if you followed every poll individually you got
essentially the same result that he got in the 2012 election

And his "percentage" is almost completely worthless

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155. "Bayes' thereom"
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off the top.

I enjoyed The Signal & The Noise and thought it was interesting and informative.

Again, this isn't really a field I have a lot of expertise in. If there are better writers in probability and statistical analysis that you would recommend, I'll give them a shot too.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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159. "Nah. Silver just has a pretty website that he updates often. "
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With cool graphics

And he's gay and has that "quirk" thing going that
is on fire in the Obama age

He fits the demographic, has the look, etc

He hasn't made a single prediction that is different
than anyone would have expected, ever

>off the top.

NOBODY has ever been able to answer this question:

"What, exactly, did he teach you?"

He doesn't teach anyone shit.

He has a pretty website with cool graphics that he
updates regularly.


That's all.


NOT MAD AT ALL. Seems like a nice guy.



>I enjoyed The Signal & The Noise and thought it was
>interesting and informative.

What did you learn from it?

>Again, this isn't really a field I have a lot of expertise in.
>If there are better writers in probability and statistical
>analysis that you would recommend, I'll give them a shot too.

Cool.

But the stuff I'll send you will actually teach you statistics.

It won't recapitulate everyone else's statistics on a pretty
New York Times website.


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168. "well, with the 2012 elections the talking heads that most people"
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get their news from were saying that night "it's a coin flip" or "it could go either way", and silver (rightly or wrongly) blew up with his 15 minutes as the loudest voice saying "no, there's actual statistics at work here that will tell you how the election will turn out."

so, i think it's good that he at least gets folks thinking, even if the praise shouldn't be wholly heaped on his shoulders.

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169. "LMMFAO!!! Who the fuck said that? "
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>get their news from were saying that night "it's a coin flip"
>or "it could go either way",

Who legitimately said that? NOBODY. It was better for
NEWS NETWORKS to make the race close, which has advertising
money to make and needs you to chime in...maybe they made
the race seem close...but almost nobody with a brain that
followed any polls, ever, thought that.


and silver (rightly or wrongly)
>blew up with his 15 minutes as the loudest voice saying "no,
>there's actual statistics at work here that will tell you how
>the election will turn out."

LOL -

No, he didn't.

He just took a broad look at the polls and said, loudly,
what the polls were saying-

Obama is ahead, slightly, in Ohio and New Hampshire and
Virginia

Obama is ahead, more commandingly, in Pennsylvania

Obama is about to lose North Carolina

Its about even in Florida

And therefore, Obama is much more likely than not to
get the 270 he needs

That's what any consistent view of the polls told you.

Silver just put all that information into a pretty website

He rarely ACTUALLY discussed "statistics" and this great
"statistical model" that he was...wasn't a model at all.
It was some ghost-in-the-machine way to compound the existing
polls into an arbitrary "odds" of Obama/Romney winning.

>so, i think it's good that he at least gets folks thinking,
>even if the praise shouldn't be wholly heaped on his
>shoulders.

What did he get you thinking about?

Specifically what?


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171. "it's not that serious to me"
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>Who legitimately said that? NOBODY. It was better for
>NEWS NETWORKS to make the race close, which has advertising
>money to make and needs you to chime in...maybe they made
>the race seem close...but almost nobody with a brain that
>followed any polls, ever, thought that.

that's basically my point. most people get their news via CNN, Fox, etc, and they played up the drama of a close race when it was really anything but, because they have money to make.

silver, rightly or wrongly, became the contrarian darling. sometimes the most deserving voice doesn't get the mic, but if it got anybody to stop swallowing dramatized "news", i consider that a good thing.

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179. ""Contrarian?" You're kidding, right? "
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>silver, rightly or wrongly, became the contrarian darling.
>sometimes the most deserving voice doesn't get the mic, but if
>it got anybody to stop swallowing dramatized "news", i
>consider that a good thing.

There is zero "contrarian" about Nate Silver

He's the New York Times' poll guy, for crying out
loud

At least say you followed him in 2008, when it
was fivethirtyeight.com

there is NO poll guy more popular than Nate Silver

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173. "i agree. that's what i was trying to say"
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but he's not particularly insightful or smart. once you understand the math/science, it's pretty basic stuff and occasionally he's too clever for his own good.

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182. "I want to know what he's good at other than having a nice website."
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That's what he does well.

He has a nice website.

Nobody can tell me what he does well.

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185. "he's a decent writer who translates statistics"
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into language that smart people who don't understand statistics kinda get. that's good because he's part of what's made it more and more common to see evidence trump belief in debate (though not in this thread...)


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187. "So he explains the results of statistics? I don't get it. "
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>into language that smart people who don't understand
>statistics kinda get. that's good because he's part of what's
>made it more and more common to see evidence trump belief in
>debate (though not in this thread...)

This is false.

"Well, Nate Silver said..." became this rallying cry for
people who appreciate "evidence" when the very people who
said that have NO IDEA what his model is, how he came up
with his numbers, what the numbers are based on.

He didn't "translate" anything.

He just put his results on a cool website and, like you said,
summarized it well.

I WILL give him credit for that -- he summarizes polls well.

That has nothing to do with improving our statistical understanding
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191. "that's what he does. and it's useful"
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>"Well, Nate Silver said..." became this rallying cry for
>people who appreciate "evidence" when the very people who
>said that have NO IDEA what his model is, how he came up
>with his numbers, what the numbers are based on.

actually, i do know what his model is (it's a pretty standard OLS with some controls for poller bias, time since poll, and some economic data) and while I think it's stupidly obvious (OMG! regression!) and, like i said, includes some/many unnecessary things in it (the economic data), it's better than nothing AND it's better than some of the other polling aggregators (here's looking at you real clear politics!) that don't adjust for house bias and the benefit of state polls vs. national polls. But, I like the princeton election consortium guy better, but he's terrible at, or uninterested in, making his numbers understandable to people who don't have a decent handle on statistics already.

anyone who relies on silver as evidence is better than people who don't. people who use silver as one data point are better than those who rely on him alone.

>He didn't "translate" anything.

he does at times (less so since he moved to the ny times site). he explains how to read and analyze the accuracy of a poll better than any other mainstream writer.

>I WILL give him credit for that -- he summarizes polls well.

finally! but he doesn't just summarize them, he does some basic critiques/analysis too.

>That has nothing to do with improving our statistical
>understanding
>or interpretation of anything.

not yours or mine. but my family and friends absolutely understand it better now. i can refer to Silver to make a point and that makes sense to them. points that they otherwise wouldn't appreciate.


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192. "This is my point. Explain:"
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>not yours or mine. but my family and friends absolutely
>understand it better now. i can refer to Silver to make a
>point and that makes sense to them. points that they otherwise
>wouldn't appreciate.

What point? What statistical point can you make that
people understand better because of Nate Silver?

The answer is none.

People just know how to go to a nice website where
someone who is allegedly smart talks about a bunch of
polls, shrinks them down into single numbers that makes
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194. "basically anytime i need to point out anecdotal evidence is bad"
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which is surprisingly/disappointingly often.

and then when a number they don't like/seems weird comes out, sometimes silver is helpful if they read him regularly (pointing out how push polling works, impact of sample size, important of randomization). all of which is basic, all of which most people don't appreciate.



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195. "The irony is actually killing me"
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>which is surprisingly/disappointingly often.
>
>and then when a number they don't like/seems weird comes out,
>sometimes silver is helpful if they read him regularly
>(pointing out how push polling works, impact of sample size,
>important of randomization). all of which is basic, all of
>which most people don't appreciate.

So people understand that anecdotal evidence is bad
via their anecdotal interaction with a pretty website
featuring analysis by someone who is allegedly smart?

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196. "people understand anecdotal evidence's flaws better"
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because i can say to them "it's like looking at one poll and deciding what will happen in the election instead of aggregating them like Nate Silver does" and it works.

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197. "LOL!! I can't take this anymore. "
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>because i can say to them "it's like looking at one poll and
>deciding what will happen in the election instead of
>aggregating them like Nate Silver does" and it works.
>
>*shrug*

So Nate Silver taught people how to pay attention to more
than one opinion/perspective/source when trying to gauge
the pulse of a situation?


LOL.


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198. "I mean, jersey's got a point"
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538 is an easy tool to fight anecdotal evidence like "i heard romney's leading now" or "i'm just worried about racist people". you could talk to overconfident romney fans or nervous obama fans and say "well actually, the trends are going this way" and most would get it. whether he's getting too much credit for pooling together all these polls is certainly up for debate, but having more tools to fight ignorance is always a good thing. and yes, it helps when those tools are easy to consume. there's no real way around that.

  

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202. "."
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203. "Um. Real Clear Politics takes the average of the major polls"
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And had almost the exact results as Nate Silver

Doesn't RCP make the exact same argument, that you
shouldn't use any one poll but look at them in
aggregate?

Can anyone explain why Silver's model is any better?

No. They can't.


I'm confused as to what the message actually is, because
the one about not using any one source is some 10th grade
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207. "RCP did worse."
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>And had almost the exact results as Nate Silver

i mean, almost sure. anyone could. but silver was closer and didn't stray from that throughout the election. RCP did well at the end, but isn't a good predictor before late polling, whereas silver's model was more stable (and why are we debating this?). and, again, i like the princeton model the best.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57546778-38/among-the-top-election-quants-nate-silver-reigns-supreme/
and
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/08/1158891/-Which-Poll-Aggregator-Performed-Best-The-Answer-538

>Doesn't RCP make the exact same argument, that you
>shouldn't use any one poll but look at them in
>aggregate?

yes, but without resolving for bias and sample size, etc:
http://election.princeton.edu/2012/11/04/comparisons-among-aggregators-and-modelers/

>Can anyone explain why Silver's model is any better?
>
>No. They can't.

like HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID IT ALREADY?!?!


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210. "Bwahahahahahahhahahhahahahhaha"
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Bwahahahahhahahahahahah


You are either him or his cousin

Gotta be


>i mean, almost sure. anyone could.

So if anybody could, why the fuck are we giving all
the credit to one guy whose model none of these laymen
can explain?

Its LAZY.


Trust me, this is the type of shit I get PAID FOR


But I'll be damned if I conflate my fake expertise with
actual expertise


>but silver was closer and
>didn't stray from that throughout the election. RCP did well
>at the end,

Bwahahaha THERE IS ONLY ONE data point that matters:

THE END.

We, BY DEFINITION, DON'T KNOW HOW THE RACE would have gone
at any point, because the reliability of the polls changes
DURING the polling season.

DO NOT cop pleas.

RCP did well at the end.

Silver did well at the end.

BOTH argued that one poll cannot be the focus.

And again: THE REASONS that Silver's poll was "better" cannot
be explained by anyone who isn't a mathematician or statistics
professor.


>but isn't a good predictor before late polling,
>whereas silver's model was more stable (and why are we
>debating this?). and, again, i like the princeton model the
>best.

>http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57546778-38/among-the-top-election-quants-nate-silver-reigns-supreme/

Bwahahahhahahahahaahhahahhaha DID YOU READ THIS ARTICLE??


"In the meantime, even Silver may need to tip his cap to someone who seems to have done an even better job at prognosticating the final presidential election results. In a blog post today, dailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas noted that he had predicted exactly the final Electoral College vote totals and reported an average margin in the swing states that was less than Silver's or that of any aggregator. Moulitsas' methodology? A savvy but seemingly manual reading of last-minute pre-election polls. Maybe the quants don't have all the answers after all."


WHOA!!! So study the last-minute pre-election polls, and get
data more accurate than Silver or RCP!?!?!

WOORD!?!?!?

Bwahahahahahahaahhahahahahaha

Y'all just INVENTING reasons to give credit to the guy you
want to give credit to, even though all his "expertise" is
LESS accurate than a manual reading of the pre-election polls
and BARELY better than the RCP which basically takes the
averages


>yes, but without resolving for bias and sample size, etc:
>http://election.princeton.edu/2012/11/04/comparisons-among-aggregators-and-modelers/

RIGHT!!! And RCP STILL GOT THE RESULTS BASICALLY RIGHT!!!


>>Can anyone explain why Silver's model is any better?
>>
>>No. They can't.
>
>like HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID IT ALREADY?!?!

I'm not talking about YOU

I'm talking about all these people that he's "educated"

None of them can tell me what is superior about his model



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214. "here we go again"
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>So if anybody could, why the fuck are we giving all
>the credit to one guy whose model none of these laymen
>can explain?

because he did it and others didn't. he did it first.

>Trust me, this is the type of shit I get PAID FOR

umm..good for you?

>But I'll be damned if I conflate my fake expertise with
>actual expertise

what? like what exactly are you accusing silver of?

>Bwahahaha THERE IS ONLY ONE data point that matters:
>
>THE END.

ok. sure. according to you. (oh, and he was better at the end).

>We, BY DEFINITION, DON'T KNOW HOW THE RACE would have gone
>at any point, because the reliability of the polls changes
>DURING the polling season.

yes, that's why he gave probabilities and notes that forecasting can change as we don't know the future. but in another post, you hate on him using probabities, so...lol.

>RCP did well at the end.
>
>Silver did well at the end.
>
>BOTH argued that one poll cannot be the focus.

but SIlver did better and made the case better.

>And again: THE REASONS that Silver's poll was "better" cannot
>be explained by anyone who isn't a mathematician or
>statistics
>professor.

so? so every statistical model now should be something laypeople can explain in detail? wtf?

>"In the meantime, even Silver may need to tip his cap to
>someone who seems to have done an even better job at
>prognosticating the final presidential election results. In a
>blog post today, dailyKos founder Markos Moulitsas noted that
>he had predicted exactly the final Electoral College vote
>totals and reported an average margin in the swing states that
>was less than Silver's or that of any aggregator. Moulitsas'
>methodology? A savvy but seemingly manual reading of
>last-minute pre-election polls. Maybe the quants don't have
>all the answers after all."

HELLO ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE! YOU JUST DID IT TO ME! BWAHAHAHAHA.

>WHOA!!! So study the last-minute pre-election polls, and get
>data more accurate than Silver or RCP!?!?!

one guy did. ONE GUY. YOU JUST DID IT. YOU JUST USED AN ANECDOTE AGAINST STATISTICS. LOL/

>WOORD!?!?!?

how many got it really wrong doing the same thing?

>RIGHT!!! And RCP STILL GOT THE RESULTS BASICALLY RIGHT!!!

yes. basically right but not as right.

>I'm talking about all these people that he's "educated"
>
>None of them can tell me what is superior about his model

that's not what they're learning, nor is it why they read his blog, nor is it what his blog is about. sorry that disappoints you that he isn't using 538 to teach people bout regression methodology.


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216. "Yeah, ironically, Silver did worse than a single anecdotal set of polls"
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Odd, ain't it?

What was the message again, btw?


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200. "i think you're really trying to hard to find a strawman here"
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>So Nate Silver taught people how to pay attention to more
>than one opinion/perspective/source when trying to gauge
>the pulse of a situation?

i mean, i even had to calm a quantitative professor about a single bad poll once in 2012 by referencing silver.

silver's not a special brain--i've been saying basically the same as you--except he was clever to post that ish on the web before anyone else. *shrug*

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201. "Right! So Silver is special because his website looks cool! "
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>silver's not a special brain--i've been saying basically the
>same as you--except he was clever to post that ish on the web
>before anyone else. *shrug*

There is *nothing* statistical about it

His website looks nice and he beat everyone to the
punch

Real Clear Politics takes the avg of many national
polls...they came to similar conclusions

What about them? Why aren't they famous?

Because their website not as cool!

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204. "ur going too far"
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206. "No, YALL are going too far assinging credit for NO REASON"
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Nobody can even tell me what he's good at!!!

RCP uses averages of major polls, had results basically
the same as Silver

Why aren't they as famous?

Isn't using averages, and being CORRECT saying the same
thing: that using one poll isn't the right way to go?

So what is Silver good at? Other than having a nice website
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208. "look, i've been fucking consistent"
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>Nobody can even tell me what he's good at!!!

HE'S NT GOOD. BUT HE DID PUT TOGETHER A DECENT BASIC REGRESSION MODEL AND NO ONE ELSE DID THAT BEFORE HIM.

>RCP uses averages of major polls, had results basically
>the same as Silver

no. they were worse.

>Why aren't they as famous?

because they were worse.

>Isn't using averages, and being CORRECT saying the same
>thing: that using one poll isn't the right way to go?

yes. they were better than bad, but not as good as Silver, who was decent.

>So what is Silver good at? Other than having a nice website
>and being savvy enough to get bought by the New York Times?

y u hate him so?


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212. "Umm Pre-election polls were better than Silver. Much better. "
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And RCP was marginally worse, if that, than Silver

So far all his "expertise" he barely did better than
a basic ass model that just averaged the polls

So if someone just wrote a blogs summarizing the results
of RCP they could make the same arguments:

"Don't pay attention to one poll"

That's the message of Silver, right?

Or is there some other message that he taught people that
you haven't told me and that I've never heard?

I'm listening.

>yes. they were better than bad, but not as good as Silver, who
>was decent.

RCP's predicted the election and almost every state
(the ones that mattered, at least)

Nate don't even make real predictions...LOL @ his percentages

Just a way for him to backtrack in case he's wrong

RCP just averages them, and you decide

Less ways to cop pleas with RCP

>>So what is Silver good at? Other than having a nice website
>>and being savvy enough to get bought by the New York Times?
>
>y u hate him so?

Crazy...I be getting that Nate Silver fake expert money,
doggie

I'm a buff, cute black nerd...unfortunately not gay or
quirky like Nate, but I gets mine anyway

Nate good for my paper


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213. "so he did better. ok"
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>So far all his "expertise" he barely did better than
>a basic ass model that just averaged the polls

so he did better? RCP got a state or two (not sure) wrong and he didn't? got it--also, he got famous for taking rasmussen down more than for being so accurate. that accuracy was the icing on the cake.

>So if someone just wrote a blogs summarizing the results
>of RCP they could make the same arguments:

RCP does that.

>"Don't pay attention to one poll"

and that. and then they stupidly attacked Nate and other forms of modeling and it was a mistake.

>That's the message of Silver, right?

no, that's how i use him to help explain shit. he does more, but it's not that special. LIKE I'VE BEEN SAYING.

>RCP's predicted the election and almost every state
>(the ones that mattered, at least)

they got more states wrong than him.

>Nate don't even make real predictions...LOL @ his percentages

wat? that's part of what was BETTER about him. he not only gave a prediction, but how confident he was and why. cmon, stop searching for a reason to hate.

>Just a way for him to backtrack in case he's wrong

no. it's like a basic statistical understanding of how to interpret samples and data. you know this. i know you know this.

>RCP just averages them, and you decide

yeah, that's not as good. all it takes is some biased polls and poof...RCP guides you wrong.

>Nate good for my paper

Then why u hating?


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215. "Oh ok, so you're changing the message. "
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>so he did better? RCP got a state or two (not sure) wrong and
>he didn't? got it--also, he got famous for taking rasmussen
>down more than for being so accurate. that accuracy was the
>icing on the cake.

Nah nah

The question is:

WHAT STATISTICAL UNDERSTANDING DID NATE SILVER DELIVER
TO THE PUBLIC!?!?!?

YOU SAID that it was "don't use anecdotal evidence."

IM SAYING that EVEN RCP PREACHES THE EXACT SAME THING,
and they DO and do a VERY good job making predictions.

So OBVIOUSLY the message is bigger than JUST not using
anecdotal evidence. LOTS of good pollsters do more than
that.

But what does NATE SILVER DO SPECIFICALLY!?!!?

WHAT MESSAGE does he teach?

What is the UNDERSTANDING that he fosters?


The answer: nothing that you can't also get from RCP.

In fact, RCP, despite being far less sophisticated is
probably better for a public message because the model
is much easier to understand.


So again: What SPECIFICALLY did Nate Silver do for the
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77. "yeah, but we talkin about a country ass dude raised in the church"
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his upbringing is very specific.

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79. "who also went to one of the more religious/conservative state schools"
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in the country.

GLAAD, etc. wasn't exactly a big presence on campus in Norman.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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I was in Austin in 06 for TOSU/UT so I saw UT was pretty diverse...

always wondered about the other schools in that area (Arkansas, A&M, TTech,TCU, Baylor etc)

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for mostly systemic reasons.

probably 95% of the students who aren't there for athletics or a national merit scholarship are from oklahoma or texas.

very white, very conservative for a public school, relatively blue collar for a college campus, etc.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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121. "Completely agree. Environment is the most impactful molder of opinion "
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You pretty much described it to a tee...and you also mentioned the other very important aspect: he isn't sitting around ruminating on gay marriage, hence the cultural programming is his baseline response.

The instant denouncement of these situations/responses without further exploring the why does nothing to further the understanding of anti-gay attitudes.

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145. "Slippery slope. Same thing 4 segretationists and Klan sympathizers. "
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148. "Right, but saying 'don't be racist' does nothing to address that enviro"
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Changing the end product that results from x amount of years of cultural/environmental influence is really really tough...need to address those influences before they inundate the mindset of youth.

Not saying racist or anti-gay people shouldn't be chastised for their intolerance but that we need a multi-prong approach, involving proactive changes in environment. Obviously it's complicated and complex issue but like Basa said...understanding/discussion that AP's comments originated from influence are conversations that raise awareness about that complexity.

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166. "A very Berkeley-ish, generation Y, Obama age response there. "
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Ask a Holocaust survivor how they feel about Germans who
supported the Nazi party because "they were products of
their environment and knew no better."

Lots of people who were products of their environment and
knew no better shrugged their shoulders as black people were
chewed up by dogs and hung from trees.

Bystander apathy is the anatomy of genocide and destruction.

Discrimination is wrong. We've been on the planet long enough
to know that.

And you should know that regardless of where the fuck you're
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(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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170. "Reductio ad Hitlerum sighting....i'm out. "
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we've derailed now.

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174. "only now?"
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shit was derailed long time ago.

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175. "Godwin's Law"
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178. "o that was intentional"
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And I find the modern attempts to humanize everything
worse than moral superiority

Humanizing everything isn't smarter, more tolerant
or prescriptive

Its okay to just call people dumb

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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225. "And that's a very non-reading response. First line, 2nd paragraph "
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Chastising someone for intolerant beliefs and having an approach that tries to solve the actual subtext are not mutually exclusive. The former deals with trying to contain/change already established attitudes, the latter deals with changing the environment those attitudes came from. You can call it 'berkeley-ish' or whatever you will but it's a logical approach: limit current damage and then try to change why that damage happens in the first place.

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45. "The Onion already on top of this"
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http://www.theonion.com/articles/adrian-petersons-boyfriend-can-take-a-hint,32594/

http://clydefrazierapproves.com/
http://stylepoints.tumblr.com/

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57. "lolz"
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84. "Great. Just great. "
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96. "Oh Shit! The Dwight Howard one is hilarious too."
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102. "lmao @ the wallace jab at the end"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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49. "They'll squeeze the controversy out of anything. Lol"
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You expect him to lie?

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69. "nor does he have to be nm"
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But hell, what do I know?

  

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82. "LOL at "I'm not biased towards them." Right, you bigoted dummy. "
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272. "."
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________________________________________
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86. "he's allowed to say and believe what he wants."
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and we're allowed to call him a bigoted bozo.

  

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98. "It would have been cooler if he said it wearing Capri Pants"
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Im so tired of the ghey being in the news every five minutes

  

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101. "that doesn't bother me, he is entitled to his opinion"
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it's something that's happening state by state and eventually will get to the scotus where it really firm up, whether ya like or not (c) gavin newsome.

there are some people who still think people shouldn't intermarry in other ways and who wouldn't personally. who could argue with that? someone's personal beliefs and conducts aren't there to be judged, that's kind of the whole point, isn't it?

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104. "Good point CC, there are many people of various races and cultures..."
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who feel that's its better to marry within ones own race/culture/religion but for whatever reason it's not seen as anywhere near as controverial and offensive as this point of view is.

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106. "Because those marriage aren't illegal"
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Although, honestly, this is more of a media storm than an actual offensive comment. He makes it pretty clear that he doesn't discriminate and says to each his own but he personally doesn't believe in it. Not sure if he ever commented on whether it should be illegal or not.

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140. "it's not controversial on a personal level, but a public/legal one? yes"
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it would be extremely controversial, on a national level and in the overwhelming majority of individual states.

like i said, the whole "you can do what you want with your life, sex life and private time" argument cuts both ways. if someone is against certain things--premarital sex, homosexuality, etc--then they have every right to abstain. but there shouldn't be any laws saying that everyone has to abstain, the same way there shouldn't be any forcing people to participate.

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110. "lol wut"
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>someone's personal beliefs and conducts
>aren't there to be judged

  

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141. "eh i guess it was unclear but what i was getting at is that ..."
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people's practices and beliefs are their own. that's true if you are some puritanical eunuch or if you are the most promiscuous person on earth. so i dont care what an individual believes or practices, i just care what is permitted and, to a degree, protected legally. there is no just reason or legally defensible reason that two people of the same gender cannot be married.

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103. "my father is gay!"
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205. "lol - underrated"
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246. "i laughed"
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123. "deleting this ignorant shit"
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stop embarrassing yourself.

-Smutsboy

  

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125. "Yeah I'm not with that gay shit either B"
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>to hell with you all on the Im disappointed nonsense..
>
>His opinion shouldn;'t matter
>
>blah blah bigotry blah - Smuts


Too much shopping

Plus they fuck a lotta attractive straight women
which is wild foul, tainting all this pussy out
there for the original man

Shit is gay, B

At the end of the day its not my dick tho

Being concerned with another nigga's dick action
is gay

Which is why I stopped hating on gays

My dick is boss hog in my id, ego and super ego


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164. "you care enough to post up in here tho.."
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the problem is the homo-browbeating bs, aint none of these folk call a press conference besides that bum Collins to opine on anything, they were asked, for the most part anyway.

And its his opinion on whats right for him and his world.

You don't want to be judged by anyone? good go play in traffic and die. Otherwise live how you want and deal with the fact that others won't like it, or they will.

  

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127. "gay is wrong........LOL"
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as if there is a choice in the matter...... read the wise words of Pastor Jim Rigby

1. If Jesus did not mention a subject, it cannot be essential to his teachings.
2. You are not being persecuted when prevented from persecuting others.
3. Truth isn’t like wine that gets better with age. It’s more like manna you must recognize wherever you are and whoever you are with.
4. You cannot call it “special rights” when someone asks for the same rights you have.
5. It is no longer your personal religious view if you’re bothering someone else.
6. Marriage is a civil ceremony, which means it’s a civil right.
7. If how someone stimulates the pubic nerve has become the needle to your moral compass, you are the one who is lost.
8. To condemn homosexuality, you must use parts of the Bible you don’t yourself obey. Anyone who obeyed every part of Leviticus would rightly be put in prison.
9. If we do not do the right thing in our day, our grandchildren will look at us with same embarrassment we look at racist grandparents.
10. When Jesus forbade judging, that included you.

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161. "its conditioning not natural"
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and everything is a choice.

bet off that weakness.. ya ole loose booty

  

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209. "No it's not, and if you spoke with a gay person you would quickly find o..."
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but you would rather put your head in the sand and stay ignorant

square earth, sun rises in the west shit

I had a family member that knew at 6 years old

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218. "RE: No it's not, and if you spoke with a gay person you would quickly fi..."
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>but you would rather put your head in the sand and stay
>ignorant
>
>square earth, sun rises in the west shit
>
>I had a family member that knew at 6 years old


I speak with gay people every day. Children and all.

But let me ask this. Is it true that because someone believes something about themselves, what they believe is right?

  

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230. "this isn't new, hell King James....you know the King James Bible?"
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he was a gay man

there is no choice in the matter whatsoever, they know from jump....and I mean think about it, who the hell would choose that for themselves?

suicide rates 4 and 5 times the national average for youth....substance abuse rates that could hang with Native Americans....

If you think you are hearing about it more now than you used to as a child it is because of the fear of losing out on a job or place to live or end up as Matthew Shepard has lessened over time as some of the fear and ignorance has eroded

people stick their head in the sand and want to cling to the falsehood of "choice" because if they can't turn it on and off like a light switch, it's discrimination plain and simple.... and bingo, that is what it is

<-Fear Ameer

  

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231. "here's the problem with your jibberish"
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its jibberish and rambling

  

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243. "nothing to say"
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not surprising because there is no legitimate argument against marriage equality using rational and logical thought

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253. "only mouth breathing attention whore homosexuals.."
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give a damn about marriage inequality. I couldn't care less. My thing if you did/could read, since everymans boyfriend smuttrboy can't handle discourse and deletes anything his feeble mind can't comprehend, is this..

Homosexuality is wrong.

Attacking people that have an opinion on it different than yours is childish and bullying.

Force feeding everyone (kids) in society that gay is morally ok is wrong.

Your bullshit ass parents and community told you that whatever you want to do in life is ok, as long as you're happy with it. And this is the reason why society as a whole is in the worst shape it has ever been.


People are scared to correct anyone for fear of retribution, or being cast as a bigot. So that leaves us with 8 year old kids that talk crazy to everyone, and no one in these (your type) soft communities checks them, and the world gets worse, and people complain and do nothing and on an on.


damn that nonsense, I refuse to sit silent, in public or the innanets.

  

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254. "you say that shit in public?"
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holy shit, are you the anti-semitic elmo too? wtf. you need to take a serious look at how much you give a fuck about other peoples' marriages.

smuts has been deleting your shit because you've been using hateful language and slurs. look at this post, lots of posts that smuts disagrees with are still up--you're just the only backwards one still using slurs to defame other peoples' love because you just think its not really love if it isn't a dick and a pussy or some bullshit like that.

grow up.

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260. "words, words, words.. nothing said"
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255. "that's total baloney"
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I can be heterosexual and support the right to marriage equality

equating all that extra jargon about the downfall of society to people who were born gay and just want the same rights as heterosexuals is lunacy

I've seen what the lack of acceptance does to the gay community. A family member of mine has been to many funerals because of suicide

not counting the slow decline and eventual death that comes about because of substance abuse

again there is no logical argument for rejection, that's why you see these evangelicals falsely claiming there is a connection between pedophilia and being gay, that there is a choice in the matter, and building strawman arguments about next people will want to marry their pets....

it's all lies, nothing but the usual of using religion for division, power and control...mega church wallet-lining

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261. "RE: that's total baloney"
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Again, I don't give two craps about marriage or equality. My issue is the vilification of anyone who speaks out with their OPINION that gay is wrong, or gay is not right for them, or that they don't want gay around them.

And also, who cares about some wack human being that decided to off themselves? Brah.. srsly?.. More air for me.

I'm supposed to feel sorry for that type of weakness now too? get outta here with that.

It shouldn't be accepted. Its not high minded to accept it. Thats where this breakdown occurs. People try to paint others as a caveman because of disagreements.

But in reality lets be honest. If my argument was idiotic, there would be something, anything to debunk it, rather than wack smutsboy deleting comments.

You think you are right, because you may have gay friends who are good people, or family with a good heart. You accept them because of a particular set of good deeds or goodwill. I accept them for who they CHOOSE (life is all choices wack ppl) to be because I know they have a place in this world. But that doesn't make their choice right. And stop trying to force feed people into believing it is.


Bottom line is this, that man was asked a question. That man gave an honest answer as he sees it. He didnt pull a Jason Collins attention whore move and say look everybody I'm holding a press conference I think this...

So let people be.





>I can be heterosexual and support the right to marriage
>equality
>
>equating all that extra jargon about the downfall of society
>to people who were born gay and just want the same rights as
>heterosexuals is lunacy
>
>I've seen what the lack of acceptance does to the gay
>community. A family member of mine has been to many funerals
>because of suicide
>
>not counting the slow decline and eventual death that comes
>about because of substance abuse
>
>again there is no logical argument for rejection, that's why
>you see these evangelicals falsely claiming there is a
>connection between pedophilia and being gay, that there is a
>choice in the matter, and building strawman arguments about
>next people will want to marry their pets....
>
>it's all lies, nothing but the usual of using religion for
>division, power and control...mega church wallet-lining

  

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262. "The point is you don't CHOOSE to be gay"
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so they deserve equal treatment

the fact that black man made the statement makes it even more ignorant

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263. "Everything in life is a Choice, Stop acting weak."
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264. "No it is not"
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deal with reality and not some made up nonsense in your mind

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265. "you chose to be how tall you are?"
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you chose the color of your hair? your complexion? your parents?

WRONG.

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267. "ok ok you got me.. said me never"
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but your idiotic response brings up something you are unwittingly right about.

Who your parents are, Role models in your life, KEY POINT HERE - SOCIETAL STANDARDS and Expectations.. All play a huge role in who you CHOOSE TO BE.

But be clear.. any man thats gonna say that they were born a certain way and therefore they have to do a certain thing without choice or without fight, is a bitch ie.. not a man at all.

  

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268. "RE: ok ok you got me.. said me never"
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>but your idiotic response brings up something you are
>unwittingly right about.

so you choose your height? cuz i swear to god I woulda added at least an inch to get to 6 foot. fucking 5'11.

>Who your parents are, Role models in your life, KEY POINT HERE
>- SOCIETAL STANDARDS and Expectations.. All play a huge role
>in who you CHOOSE TO BE.

NO SHIT. so now it's parents that are making their kids choose to be gay? that's your argument? lol.

>But be clear.. any man thats gonna say that they were born a
>certain way and therefore they have to do a certain thing
>without choice or without fight, is a bitch ie.. not a man at
>all.

again, i should have fought harder to be taller? or not go bald? okay, player. GTFOH.

also, the misogyny. like i said earlier, you need to grow the fuck up.

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SliceTwice
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269. "RE: ok ok you got me.. said me never"
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>>but your idiotic response brings up something you are
>>unwittingly right about.
>
>so you choose your height? cuz i swear to god I woulda added
>at least an inch to get to 6 foot. fucking 5'11.


Don't be moronic

>
>>Who your parents are, Role models in your life, KEY POINT
>HERE
>>- SOCIETAL STANDARDS and Expectations.. All play a huge role
>>in who you CHOOSE TO BE.
>
>NO SHIT. so now it's parents that are making their kids choose
>to be gay? that's your argument? lol.
>

No I'm saying weak and absentee parents birth a higher percentage of weak-willed and low morals/standards having children.

Its really a simple point you're not grasping.

>>But be clear.. any man thats gonna say that they were born a
>>certain way and therefore they have to do a certain thing
>>without choice or without fight, is a bitch ie.. not a man
>at
>>all.
>
>again, i should have fought harder to be taller? or not go
>bald? okay, player. GTFOH.
>>also, the misogyny. like i said earlier, you need to grow the
>fuck up.
>
>


Again, you are putting your own weak personal definitions on me. A bitch to me is a person who won't take ownership of things they do and find excuses or cry instead.



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270. "bitch is a gendered term. deal with it."
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just like gay isn't a choice, deal with it.


>No I'm saying weak and absentee parents birth a higher
>percentage of weak-willed and low morals/standards having
>children.

lol @ you deciding i've got "low morals." LMAO.


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271. "I don't know your morals, I know you sound weak as can be tho"
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You've lost, keep it moving kiddo, I hope you learned something about yourself here

  

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162. "oh and I'm not religious.. so keep that wack argument too ..nm"
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167. "On what do you base rightness and wrongness then? Just curious. "
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If not good, then what?


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219. "MY morals which are based off.."
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many things. In particular that men are the protector/provider sex.

you taking a penis in the doody means you are less than a man OE.

Honestly I'm on the same page as you with the more yatches for me. Hell me and my boys always used to say when the latest dope boy in town got some jail numbers "More yatches for me!"

But srlsy, I believe there needs to be parameters in life. Look at society now, forcing this frooptiloo crap every where. No healthy relationships on television any where. Can any of you name one?

I'm not a conspiracy activist, but even I can see that this poisonous entertainment, music, so called art is designed to lessen societal parameters, which weakens communities like the one I came from.

  

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132. "so glad that word isn't allowed on here anymore"
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though there is still a few buck toothed posters in flyover-ville who probably still use it


not here



take that shit somewhere else

  

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160. "cool trolling."
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-Smuts

  

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220. "trollin trollin trollin"
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TROLLHIDE

  

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241. "your an homo"
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134. "so Kluwe went from Minnesota, where gay marriage is legal..."
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to the Bay Area, the anus of gay America...where it isn't allowed?

Lulz

Flyoverville FTW.

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136. "i know right? "
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what are all those people in the historic Castro District wasting their time out here for??


i'd rather you talk about this than your 5'6 worthless bball "predictions" though

  

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137. "aw, if you want a picture so bad, just inbox me boo."
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now it's starting to make sense why queer rights strike such a chord with you.

>i'd rather you talk about this than your 5'6

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138. "lol he said queer"
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because he's been ridiculed for using f___ before on here (in an anchored post no less)


at least you're learning



maybe next time you'll use a more first world adjective






  

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139. ":)~"
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157. "He believes in premarital sex tho, let's hope he isn't religious."
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nm

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177. "That's what I hate."
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A lot of Christians just pick and choose parts of the Bible to apply to their lives.

  

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181. "of course they do."
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"it's in the bible" might literally be the biggest copout in history.

  

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186. "technically we're not even allowed to go to the bathroom"
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(c) rev. lovejoy

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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199. "i love that episode."
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217. "I've even done the stuff that contradicts the other stuff."
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-Ned Flanders

  

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234. "lol "have you ever sat down and READ this thing?""
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158. "As always, atheism is the answer."
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223. "this turned into a discussion about Islam lol "
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only a rabid dog could appreciate that kind of lunacy


glad other people here see that shit for what it is too

  

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238. "Good points were made about that too, if the US govt and immigration..."
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nazi's in congress looked as hard at Muslims coming into this country as they do poor Latino people who for the most part just want to earn a living and take care of their families this country would be a lot better off.

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244. "lol"
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lol

ThaTruth is Glenn Beck meets Sean Hannity...who knew?

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249. "Beck and Hannity are part of the immigration nazi's that I'm taking..."
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about, they're so focused on stopping Jusn and Jose from sneaking in the back door meanwhile Mohammad and Tamerlin are strolling right in through the front.

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256. "and they are fear mongering xenophobics about American Muslims"
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with no substance to back it up....

Sharia law has zero chance of implementation in this country, none, zilch, nada

The Iranian army going to float over on canoes and attack?

Syria's defense budget spending is 1/300th of the U.S.

Are they a threat too?

The whole thing collapses like a house of cards with any critical thinking

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258. "Hannity and Beck are drama queens. We all know that."
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>Sharia law has zero chance of implementation in this country,
>none, zilch, nada

Agreed. However, the implementation of Sharia law in other countries should worry you more.

>The Iranian army going to float over on canoes and attack?
>
>Syria's defense budget spending is 1/300th of the U.S.

lol is that what they say? I don't pay attention to them so I'm genuinely asking.

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247. "lol, what?"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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251. "if ThaTruth is on your side"
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you must be right!

  

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266. "WAT"
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>nazi's in congress looked as hard at Muslims coming into this
>country as they do poor Latino people who for the most part
>just want to earn a living and take care of their families
>this country would be a lot better off.

  

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233. "Ar . . . chive?"
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No, don't.

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237. "politics and religion"
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we ain't special....that's low hanging fruit

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252. "At least we were able to debate things in a civilized manner (for the mo..."
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i mean you have the usual childish troll w/ nonsensical side jabs and irrelevant drivel, but i don't think this thread got out of hand like ones in the past have


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