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"2022 NBA FAgency....Part II"


          

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Malcolm Brogdon to the Celtics...
Jul 01st 2022
1
this is fantastic
Jul 01st 2022
2
I love it
Jul 01st 2022
3
Not bad. Still remains to be seen if Tatum/Brown THOSE guys.
Jul 01st 2022
4
so for free?
Jul 01st 2022
5
maybe those are movable contracts, expiring deals, etc
Jul 01st 2022
19
LOL
Jul 04th 2022
49
gallo signing with boston too.
Jul 01st 2022
11
He isn’t a facilitating PG
Jul 01st 2022
15
      He doesn't have to be really
Jul 04th 2022
52
Gobert to the T-Wolves?
Jul 01st 2022
6
Fulfilling KAT’s lifelong dream of being a spot up shooter
Jul 01st 2022
9
Windy looking like the scene from Pee Wee's Big Adventure...
Jul 01st 2022
7
caught that live. that was art lol
Jul 01st 2022
8
Deets on the Gobert trade...
Jul 01st 2022
10
The Jazz got two try hard defensive players.
Jul 01st 2022
12
5 first round picks for Rudy Robert???
Jul 01st 2022
17
lol that’s so much shit…he can’t score!
Jul 02nd 2022
31
Looney re-signs with Warriors. Three years, $25.5 million
Jul 01st 2022
13
bjelica signed with his former team in turkey.
Jul 01st 2022
14
what you think about DiVincenzo as a 3&D replacement for
Jul 01st 2022
16
      That would be an excellent replacement because he
Jul 01st 2022
18
      his 3pt shooting is spotty at best
Jul 01st 2022
20
      i mean, GP2 wasn't a dead-eye shooter.
Jul 01st 2022
21
      He shot 37 pct from 3 last season
Jul 01st 2022
22
           you need to click better box scores if youre gonna Box Score Bobby
Jul 01st 2022
24
                He shot 38 pct from 3 for the entire season of
Jul 01st 2022
25
      warriors just signed divincenzo.
Jul 01st 2022
26
           Good shit!
Jul 01st 2022
27
           WHITE DONTE LET'S GO!
Jul 01st 2022
28
mods should lock that other post.
Jul 01st 2022
23
damion lee leaves warriors for the suns. thank God.
Jul 02nd 2022
29
LOL. Who Steve gonna play now to make us all scratch our heads
Jul 02nd 2022
30
Darius Garland - Bag Man 💰…
Jul 02nd 2022
32
Minnesota is fucked.
Jul 02nd 2022
33
KAT doesn't defend so they had to get somebody to play with him...
Jul 02nd 2022
34
It would’ve worked well a decade ago.
Jul 02nd 2022
35
oh i think Ant is out of there ASAP.
Jul 02nd 2022
36
      Yea I’d bet money he wants to be in ATL w Trae and Dejounte Murray
Jul 02nd 2022
37
           RE: Yea I’d bet money he wants to be in ATL w Trae and Dejounte Murray
Jul 02nd 2022
39
                touche, esp now when you can just force your way out at any time
Jul 02nd 2022
40
                     yeah this point is actually valid so maybe i'm wrong about Ant.
Jul 03rd 2022
41
                          RE: yeah this point is actually valid so maybe i'm wrong about Ant.
Jul 03rd 2022
42
Brooklyn really asked for Devin Booker, allegedly.
Jul 02nd 2022
38
Durant to warriors is the only deal that really makes sense
Jul 04th 2022
43
I think Toronto could put together a reasonable deal.
Jul 04th 2022
44
That Toronto offer is trash and he doesn’t want to go there
Jul 04th 2022
48
      👍
Jul 04th 2022
53
Wiggins can't be in the deal as long as Simmons is there.
Jul 04th 2022
45
Oh wow, I forgot Wiggins was on a rookie extension.
Jul 04th 2022
46
Forgot about wiggins deal
Jul 04th 2022
56
RE: Durant to warriors is the only deal that really makes sense
Jul 04th 2022
47
as a Dubs fan, i don't want this.
Jul 04th 2022
50
It would be a bigger sucker move than the first time…
Jul 04th 2022
51
There's a less than 0% chance of the trade happening
Jul 04th 2022
54
exactly. this the most click-baity shit possible. dubs pulled off a mira...
Jul 04th 2022
55
I mean i agree with you, but all the ither durant deals make even
Jul 04th 2022
57
Since you are the resident
Jul 07th 2022
85
I find the Warriors young pieces a bit overrated
Jul 04th 2022
59
lots of buzz around Lakers & Nets negotiations
Jul 04th 2022
58
*and* Hield?
Jul 05th 2022
62
      if they somehow land Kyrie, Hield, and Curry...
Jul 05th 2022
63
           It would be. Which means it's not happening.
Jul 05th 2022
65
                there's hands able enough to pull this off across the NBA...
Jul 05th 2022
66
                I just think it's ultimately about Russ.
Jul 05th 2022
76
                lol
Jul 05th 2022
74
TJ Warren to the Nets.
Jul 05th 2022
60
um, cool.
Jul 05th 2022
61
Dennis Schroder really fumbled that bag, man.
Jul 05th 2022
64
both woj and now shams saying no traction in lakers/kyrie talks.
Jul 05th 2022
67
I have very little faith KD is traded.
Jul 05th 2022
68
i think the warriors run is actually kinda making teams stand pat.
Jul 05th 2022
71
      Definitely something to this.
Jul 05th 2022
75
So I'm assuming the Nets front office
Jul 05th 2022
69
basically but who knows, I remember a few years ago when all of the...
Jul 05th 2022
70
Crazy TOTD: Would the Nets take Lebron for KD straight up?
Jul 05th 2022
72
LMAO. oh man that would be entertaining!
Jul 05th 2022
73
Brooklyn just needs to wait til cooler heads prevail.
Jul 05th 2022
77
Definitely.
Jul 05th 2022
78
TJ Warren is a nice pick up too, they really have a good team
Jul 05th 2022
80
Feels like Brooklyn has pivoted a bit
Jul 05th 2022
79
Dealing (essentially) Russ for Hield would be quite the irony
Jul 06th 2022
82
      Yup. Hield feels like the one that got away
Jul 07th 2022
84
Lakers picked up Thomas Bryant to be their starting center
Jul 06th 2022
81
Woj: Spurs may be a potential 3rd team involved in Kyrie deal
Jul 07th 2022
83
james harden bitching to sam cassell about working hard.
Jul 08th 2022
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LMAO
Jul 08th 2022
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      dude tryna game the point system in *practice* smh.
Jul 08th 2022
88
dame pockets on 9:15.
Jul 08th 2022
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lol
Jul 08th 2022
91
63 mil a year?
Jul 08th 2022
92
the grind pays too well to run from it. smh.
Jul 08th 2022
93
West Coast Beal
Jul 08th 2022
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      I wouldnt consider dame a career loser
Jul 09th 2022
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      That’s from pocket watching broke boys, Dame and Beal have both…
Jul 09th 2022
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      Maybe “career losers” was harsh, but I agree with everything you sai...
Jul 09th 2022
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      Agreed. And they'll be *legends* in their towns.
Jul 09th 2022
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      Dame will be. Beal won’t.
Jul 09th 2022
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      GIVE ME THE BAG, He can Mitch Richmond a ring in 5 years.
Jul 28th 2022
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      agreed, Portland has usually been a playoff team
Jul 09th 2022
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      Losers? They played their way into nearly a half billion in contracts
Jul 09th 2022
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           Agree completely. See my last sentence of that post
Jul 09th 2022
100
harden taking $15 mil paycut to help build out roster.
Jul 08th 2022
90
Respectable shit but we still cooking him when it goes bust in May for h...
Jul 09th 2022
101
Nets Season Ticket Promo features 7 but no 11
Jul 10th 2022
104
Damn, the NBA is wilde
Jul 10th 2022
105
Kurt Rambis is far from a fan of Kyrie Irving, allegedly....
Jul 10th 2022
107
fam what if kyrie already moved to l.a.? lol.
Jul 10th 2022
106
there are 37 million reasons why he cant do that
Jul 13th 2022
124
Windy saying Indy could make their play for Ayton, today....
Jul 11th 2022
108
Ayton and Myles Turner?
Jul 11th 2022
109
      he said the thought is Myles would be out of there....
Jul 11th 2022
110
      They've been looking to deal Myles for forever, lol.
Jul 11th 2022
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           Yuck
Jul 12th 2022
112
NBA streets saying Donovan Mitchell is available
Jul 12th 2022
113
Why not?
Jul 12th 2022
114
streets? windhorst went viral for it. did we forget already.
Jul 13th 2022
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      Not at all, his rant on Utah was epic…
Jul 13th 2022
121
fagency been more bark than bite
Jul 13th 2022
115
True, but the Nets drama has made up for it
Jul 13th 2022
117
i guess. kyrie was expected...durant trade demand wasn't
Jul 13th 2022
119
The consensus is that the Gobert trade fucked everything up
Jul 13th 2022
118
      i guess. nets demand shoulda been exorbitant anyway
Jul 13th 2022
120
           Agreed. It’s an unprecedented situation.
Jul 13th 2022
122
                It's also effecting any other "superstar" trade moving forward
Jul 13th 2022
128
Sean Marks proposed the following trade for KD
Jul 13th 2022
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And where is this coming from?
Jul 13th 2022
125
      In addition
Jul 13th 2022
126
      Ben can be traded...
Jul 13th 2022
129
           My understanding is they can't *trade* for more than one.
Jul 14th 2022
139
                you're dead on, homey...
Jul 14th 2022
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      “Sean Marks Proposed”
Jul 13th 2022
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      It was on today’s segment of NBA today
Jul 13th 2022
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           Well that changes the context quite a bit.
Jul 13th 2022
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                lol
Jul 13th 2022
132
                Lol
Jul 13th 2022
134
pat bev to lakers?
Jul 13th 2022
133
kyrie reportedly wants to stay in brooklyn.
Jul 13th 2022
135
Shams: Knicks and Jazz talking about it…
Jul 13th 2022
136
Nets or Knicks make the most sense.
Jul 14th 2022
137
      Nets for who?
Jul 14th 2022
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           This is a hypothetical but the most realistic one
Jul 14th 2022
140
                Not enough draft capital for BK
Jul 14th 2022
141
                The picks would come from another team in a 4 team trade
Jul 14th 2022
146
                Ben simmons and KD? lmao no.
Jul 14th 2022
142
Ayton agrees to 4/133 offer sheet with Indy...Suns have 48 hours to matc...
Jul 14th 2022
144
Woj: Ayton signs 4-year, $133 million offer sheet with Pacers
Jul 14th 2022
145
Well, there goes the Suns’ chance to get Durant.
Jul 14th 2022
147
Eh... they got Halliburton for Sabonis
Jul 14th 2022
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      Haliburton isn’t an allStar. Sabonis is.
Jul 14th 2022
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What's the most the Suns could have offered him?
Jul 14th 2022
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I believe this season it's 5 years, close to $193 million
Jul 14th 2022
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This “richest offer sheet in NBA history” spin is dumb
Jul 14th 2022
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truth. that being said i hope I get to find out what having 50 M's* is l...
Jul 14th 2022
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Shams reporting that the Suns are matching the offer
Jul 14th 2022
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      I think it’s cool they’re gonna try to keep it together
Jul 14th 2022
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           Naw that wasn’t intentional. That offer caught them off guard.
Jul 14th 2022
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                Brooklyn didn't want Ayton
Jul 15th 2022
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                     i guess he meant in a 3 way deal but i didn't see that happening either
Jul 15th 2022
158
westbrook vs his agent.
Jul 16th 2022
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Thats a weird ass statement for the agent to put out
Jul 16th 2022
160
The agent is obviously right, of course.
Jul 16th 2022
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Maybe it’s not all about the money, and it’s more
Jul 16th 2022
162
You just made the exact same point as the agent.
Jul 16th 2022
163
      That’s because AD was injured for most of the season.
Jul 16th 2022
164
           ... but that doesn't address the point at hand.
Jul 16th 2022
165
                Thomas Bryant will get touches. Ham worked in Milwaukee
Jul 16th 2022
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does Lebron think he's cool
Jul 18th 2022
168
more like agent getting out before Russ blames him
Jul 16th 2022
167
I dont know all the ins and outs
Jul 18th 2022
169
I dont know all the ins and outs
Jul 18th 2022
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I disagree with that sentiment…
Jul 18th 2022
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Yeah, no one talks about Barkley when he was on the Houston
Jul 18th 2022
Yeah, no one talks about Barkley when he was on the Houston
Jul 18th 2022
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I mean...
Jul 18th 2022
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      Usually at this stage in a career , when the athleticism wanes ..
Jul 19th 2022
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           honestly i think it already is.
Jul 19th 2022
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                i do
Jul 19th 2022
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do the lakers want russ?
Jul 19th 2022
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1549153578563956736?s=20&t=gHDtV...
Jul 19th 2022
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      I'm sure Lebron hasn't expressed his interest in Kyrie to anyone at all
Jul 19th 2022
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The talk of Russ falling off is a bit exaggerated to me.
Jul 19th 2022
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if he's still good, but can play with no one, what's the difference?
Jul 20th 2022
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      people are acting like he fell off a cliff
Jul 20th 2022
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           TO THE STATMOBILE!
Jul 20th 2022
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                those numbers are fucking false frank and i'm gonna tell you why
Jul 20th 2022
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JaMychal Green signing with Golden State after buyout with the Thunder
Jul 19th 2022
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word? that's a solid pickup. i wonder for how much?
Jul 19th 2022
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For some reason I think of "Colin Sexton" as "Speedy Claxton"
Jul 20th 2022
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Wiggins says his only regret is getting the vaccine
Jul 20th 2022
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He stated, "I didn't like that it wasn't my choice"
Jul 20th 2022
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I guess...
Jul 21st 2022
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I think this is an instance where it's important to rally behind a princ...
Jul 21st 2022
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      Oh we absolutely can, do, and should pick and choose
Jul 21st 2022
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      Should we do away with the vaxx series for newborns
Jul 21st 2022
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      Parents obviously have authority to make decisions for them
Jul 21st 2022
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      By nonsense I mean these fun with words dissertations you post
Jul 21st 2022
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           Relax. It's just a conversation.
Jul 21st 2022
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           So... vaccines and preventative measures...? Got it b/w bye
Jul 21st 2022
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           dude has been inching closer and closer to showing his right wing self
Jul 21st 2022
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                lol this is why I love coming back to OKP
Jul 21st 2022
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      Actually, thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten
Jul 21st 2022
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      Again, I'm talking about the recognized human right of bodily integrity
Jul 21st 2022
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      Nah, we're not comparing vaccines to women's rights.
Jul 21st 2022
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           nah, tons of credible Medical leaders and politicans said otherwise
Jul 21st 2022
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           Herd immunity is what stops the spread
Jul 21st 2022
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           The *makers of the vaccine* didn't even say that.
Jul 21st 2022
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                The director of the CDC (Rochelle Walensky) said it
Jul 21st 2022
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                     BIG F'n leap from endorsing the vaccine as a way to end the pandemic
Jul 21st 2022
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                          Frank's claim was that "no credible medical leader" ever made the claim
Jul 21st 2022
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           Then why are you comparing them?
Jul 21st 2022
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           lol
Jul 21st 2022
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                lol yea I'd prob bow out too if I made some of those claims
Jul 21st 2022
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                lol i had a whole paragraph typed up above and was like nah, not gonna
Jul 21st 2022
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                     No_Vaxx_id
Jul 21st 2022
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           /thread. There’s no further discussion to be had.
Jul 21st 2022
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this is one of the worst takes of all time. nm
Jul 21st 2022
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This reply and all the responses above
Jul 21st 2022
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      I expected more of a conversation about how this might be contributing t...
Jul 21st 2022
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celtics offered a jaylen brown package for durant.
Jul 25th 2022
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damn, gonna be awkward now that BKN said no...
Jul 25th 2022
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It’s a move Boston has to explore— in part for money reasons.
Jul 25th 2022
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oh, for sure....I LOVE Jaylen Brown...
Jul 25th 2022
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offense taken.
Jul 25th 2022
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and there it is
Jul 25th 2022
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Jaylen Brown appears to have responded to the news:
Jul 25th 2022
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I feel like almost this exact scenario happens every off-season
Jul 25th 2022
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Highly sensitive KD and that loud mouth Boston fan base
Jul 25th 2022
225
Kevin Durant is a 34 year old injury prone moody player w zero leadershi...
Jul 25th 2022
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God this sucks
Jul 25th 2022
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DO IT
Jul 26th 2022
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Right, it's a win-win situation.
Jul 26th 2022
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Better off adding to JT/JB IMO
Jul 26th 2022
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Brown might be one of the most under-appreciated in the league
Jul 25th 2022
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The NBA is a Gotdamn circus
Jul 25th 2022
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 25th 2022
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It's a year long round opera.
Jul 25th 2022
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its really all sports with the money involved, look at Soto in baseball....
Jul 25th 2022
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kyrie wants to stay with nets next season with or without kevin durant.
Jul 26th 2022
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Both of them should be avoided like the plague
Jul 26th 2022
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Who needs daytime soaps.....
Jul 26th 2022
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Celtics would be foolish to trade Brown for a 34 year old KD,
Jul 26th 2022
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it does feel weird to trade a core player for someone you just swept.
Jul 26th 2022
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KD for 4 years now will be cheaper than Jaylen in 2 and RIGHT TODAY(wc)....
Jul 26th 2022
242
Fock KD.
Jul 26th 2022
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Troll account?
Jul 27th 2022
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      Broken clock is right twice a day ,
Jul 27th 2022
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           i do remember me and you being 2 of the few people
Jul 27th 2022
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                That anyone is trying to get either of them at this point is baffling
Jul 27th 2022
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He’s certainly the better player, but that doesn’t mean he’s worth...
Jul 27th 2022
255
so now you think Brogdon was a good addition?
Jul 27th 2022
261
Draymond wants a max extension from the Warriors.
Jul 27th 2022
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They'll work it out a deal
Jul 27th 2022
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DrayGone
Jul 27th 2022
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I think dynasties ultimately just have to pay.
Jul 27th 2022
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Cliche to say but
Jul 27th 2022
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I get iit, and he's asking for the max extension at the right time for h...
Jul 27th 2022
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According to basketball-reference.com
Jul 27th 2022
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As hood said - they'll work it out, I'm sure.
Jul 27th 2022
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Oh, "deserve" isn't even a question imo.
Jul 27th 2022
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      Right.
Jul 27th 2022
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no team will give him the max outside of the knicks lol.
Jul 27th 2022
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There's always Cleveland...
Jul 28th 2022
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      Cleveland will NEVER give that Shrek reject a max contract
Aug 03rd 2022
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In addition to what everyone else is saying
Jul 27th 2022
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seems like a lot of warriors fans are fine letting dray walk.
Jul 28th 2022
266
      Dangerous game to play imo.
Jul 30th 2022
276
           steph already on record saying they need to pay their core. pay him
Jul 31st 2022
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                There's that factor too, ultimately.
Jul 31st 2022
280
bleacher report posting foreign policy like a woj/shams drop.
Jul 27th 2022
251
I feel bad for Mark Whelan , very little sympathy for Brittney Griner
Jul 28th 2022
263
there are places in the world where you just can't do that shit
Jul 28th 2022
268
i think the issue is Russia, pre-war, was looking the other way...
Jul 28th 2022
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Thank you...you the first person i've heard explain this that makes me
Jul 29th 2022
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yeah, i TRULY can't believe this hasn't been a bigger part of the...
Jul 29th 2022
275
^^^^^^ Yep. Clearly being used as a pawn by a dictator
Jul 31st 2022
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Lmao they got her on the cover of time like she's Mandela
Aug 02nd 2022
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!
Aug 03rd 2022
283
C'mon...
Jul 28th 2022
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damn.. that’s harsh. She had hash oil not 50 pounds of Heroin
Jul 28th 2022
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Thought we’d get back more, maybe a pick or two
Jul 28th 2022
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LOL. Meanwhile, Russia hasn't made any statement
Jul 28th 2022
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Random waiters are going to be pulling out scales on Zion
Jul 28th 2022
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Yeah right, he’s getting whatever he wants, he’ll be 400lbs….
Jul 31st 2022
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dang, Brit...prosecutor really asked for 9.5 years, smh.
Aug 04th 2022
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9 years for "smuggling" and possession.
Aug 04th 2022
285
Russia and Asian countries
Aug 04th 2022
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      i'm aware. my point still stands and is true.
Aug 04th 2022
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      The Marc Fogel case disagrees with that
Aug 04th 2022
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           except he admitted that he knew it was illegal and tried to smuggle it i...
Aug 04th 2022
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                Okay then, You don’t want the truth.
Aug 04th 2022
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      Literally everyone knows that. Are you ok with that?
Aug 04th 2022
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Are Random and Guru still going to stand by their statements?
Aug 04th 2022
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      man, fuck everyone in here and GD on that "she did the crime" shit.
Aug 04th 2022
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      Agreed. I think it's BS without all that context though
Aug 04th 2022
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      Why would it be any different?
Aug 04th 2022
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      So you're ok with this. Cool.
Aug 04th 2022
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           nah these are valid points
Aug 04th 2022
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           No, those aren't valid points at all. In fact, it makes it worse.
Aug 04th 2022
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           I just want say I love you.
Aug 04th 2022
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      It sucks. *shrug*
Aug 04th 2022
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           A lot of words to sidestep saying you have no problem with this
Aug 04th 2022
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this Sexton shit...
Aug 04th 2022
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I wonder if the Lakers can find a way to snag him in all this
Aug 04th 2022
303
damn kevin durant laid down an ultimatum to joe tsai.
Aug 08th 2022
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Assuming that's true
Aug 08th 2022
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KD to Tsai: Trade me or fire Nash and Marks....
Aug 08th 2022
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Ship his ass out
Aug 08th 2022
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it's so wild, too, cuz HE bought Nash in...that was his pick
Aug 08th 2022
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      What's even wilder
Aug 08th 2022
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      Nah, that wasn't KD's call...
Aug 09th 2022
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           gotcha...well, I won't pretend I know anything much about Tsai...
Aug 09th 2022
330
Beard/KD date night over the weekend at Travis Scott concert
Aug 08th 2022
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Dejounte talking cash shit to lil homie Paolo...
Aug 08th 2022
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If this is to get us all hyped on Magic/Hawks games
Aug 08th 2022
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      if any of that is true, Paolo got two choices:
Aug 08th 2022
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           what if Dejounte is disrespecting Paolo?
Aug 08th 2022
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                highly unlikely, but also i said "if this is true" meaning if what Dejou...
Aug 08th 2022
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                     a veteran talking shit to a rookie is "highly unlikely"?
Aug 09th 2022
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                          in this situation? yes.
Aug 09th 2022
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Kevin Durant is a depreciating toxic asset that isnt worth the headache*
Aug 08th 2022
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ben simmons left the group chat when they asked him to play in game 4.
Aug 08th 2022
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imagine seeing that pop up:
Aug 08th 2022
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i wonder if the team left him off the bench in game 4
Aug 08th 2022
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Adding on to KD/Tsai tweet posted above...
Aug 08th 2022
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Huh? That dumpster fire is on KD and Kyrie, and their weirdo tendencies
Aug 08th 2022
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      Harden.
Aug 08th 2022
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Man, Fock that dude and KD.
Aug 08th 2022
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big joe tsai with the show of force.
Aug 08th 2022
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That's some ether level response right there.
Aug 08th 2022
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He has fight w Xi Jinping regularly to get deals done …KD small 🍟
Aug 09th 2022
326
damn i don't know how this gon play out but i like the fact that he said
Aug 09th 2022
327
Their FO is a joke...
Aug 09th 2022
329
      They deserve to be mocked for everything that led to this point
Aug 09th 2022
334
           yeah giving in to a player's demand like that is some short term shit.
Aug 09th 2022
335
                What if this really isn't on KD?..
Aug 09th 2022
338
                I say giving a player the keys to your franchise is a lose lose endeavor
Aug 09th 2022
339
                That's an entirely different convo...
Aug 09th 2022
340
                     Those mistakes are one thing. KD wants them to repeat them.
Aug 09th 2022
341
                          You're all over the place here...
Aug 10th 2022
361
                               Huh? It's all pretty clear and on topic.
Aug 10th 2022
362
                I don't think KD's in the right
Aug 10th 2022
342
                     See 339
Aug 10th 2022
345
                But they *already* bet everything on the shorter term.
Aug 10th 2022
343
                     What’s the most likely scenario if they appease them?
Aug 10th 2022
344
                          They drastically increase chances at winning in the next half-decade.
Aug 10th 2022
358
                               True, but I honestly give Option B like an 80% chance of happening
Aug 12th 2022
368
                               I think there's a huge overstatement in there.
Aug 12th 2022
370
we probably need a new NBA thread now that free agency is over
Aug 09th 2022
332
Free Agency isn't over yet...
Aug 09th 2022
337
Realistically it's borderline impossible to trade for KD
Aug 10th 2022
346
no snark: why do you think of KD as such a prized asset?
Aug 10th 2022
347
he's still the best offensive player in the NBA, yes he's old and has...
Aug 10th 2022
349
all fair, I'm just saying is the juice really worth the squeeze?
Aug 10th 2022
350
RE: all fair, I'm just saying is the juice really worth the squeeze?
Aug 10th 2022
351
      golden state was already a multiple finals teams without him.
Aug 10th 2022
353
           GS wouldn’t have won those titles without KD…
Aug 10th 2022
355
                thats a hypothetical we will never know the answer to.
Aug 10th 2022
357
                     true…
Aug 10th 2022
359
Until his injury last year, he was the MVP. *Last year.*
Aug 10th 2022
356
      I agree with everything except for this part...
Aug 10th 2022
360
also what has kd actually done for the nets?
Aug 10th 2022
352
Personal KD Haul
Aug 10th 2022
354
yep, I referenced Matt Sullivan and "Can't Knock the Hustle", above...
Aug 10th 2022
348
shams straight up said ric bucher is lying about the simmons chat story.
Aug 11th 2022
363
I seem to recall Bucher being disgraced at some point
Aug 11th 2022
364
hes now saying kyrie demanded a 60 game max and no back to backs
Aug 11th 2022
365
Bucher is always begging for attention.
Aug 11th 2022
366
Bill Russell's No. 6 to be retired across NBA following legend's death l...
Aug 11th 2022
367
I don’t believe in retiring jerseys.
Aug 12th 2022
369
      Okay, thanks for letting us know!
Aug 12th 2022
372
           lol
Aug 23rd 2022
390
robert williams iii off limits in durant trade talks
Aug 12th 2022
371
Good!
Aug 12th 2022
373
Marks trying to get over but Ainge trained Stenvson well lol
Aug 13th 2022
374
somehow these durant trade offers are getting worse.
Aug 22nd 2022
375
RE: somehow these durant trade offers are getting worse.
Aug 22nd 2022
376
KD staying in Brooklyn.
Aug 23rd 2022
377
basically...
Aug 23rd 2022
381
Since he's on a one year deal
Aug 23rd 2022
382
Kyrie being offended Nets asked for a games guarantee is lol tho
Aug 23rd 2022
383
Standing pat is the best move here.
Aug 23rd 2022
384
durant trade talks officially over.
Aug 23rd 2022
378
lol at co-signing that statement with "The Boardroom"
Aug 23rd 2022
379
Massive L for Kevin Durant
Aug 23rd 2022
380
Pat Beverly says this some bullshit...
Aug 23rd 2022
385
https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1562107319709753345?t=tnp8yOH6XK4bO8...
Aug 23rd 2022
386
messy, but not wrong?
Aug 23rd 2022
387
these memes are hilarious.
Aug 23rd 2022
388
He's not wrong.
Aug 23rd 2022
389
      This was coming regardless of if it was KD or not, tbh.
Aug 23rd 2022
391
           What I fear this is leading is non-guaranteed contracts
Aug 23rd 2022
392
                At best, they may be able to add some sort of “games available” stip...
Aug 23rd 2022
393
82 games of pat bev and russell westbrook? sign me up.
Aug 24th 2022
394
TF, yo?!
Aug 24th 2022
395
THT has no market. This is just cutting bait on his contract.
Aug 24th 2022
396
A) This is a pretty clear indication Russ is gone
Aug 25th 2022
397
What are the trade rumors involving Russ
Aug 25th 2022
398
The one that keeps coming up
Aug 25th 2022
407
      For Hield and Turner, I'd gladly give up two picks and even a swap.
Aug 25th 2022
408
           I would too.
Aug 25th 2022
413
Are the LAL trying to get Russ to quit?
Aug 25th 2022
400
y'all are taking it too far lol
Aug 25th 2022
402
No, but they're looking for someone who'd buy him out probably, lol.
Aug 25th 2022
412
Yeah, THT for P-Bev is an *obvious* win for the Lakers.
Aug 25th 2022
410
I'm surprised Pat Beverly never played under Riles and Spo
Aug 25th 2022
399
      He’s trash period. I wouldn’t want him anywhere near my team.
Aug 25th 2022
401
      I don't even like Pat Bev but he had some big moments for Minny...
Aug 25th 2022
404
      He doesn’t score!
Aug 25th 2022
405
      He’s a classic “love him on your team, hate him on others” guy
Aug 25th 2022
406
      For the season, he was second in +/- and third in VORP.
Aug 25th 2022
409
      1. "Heat Culture" is overrated, 2. there a lot of gritty players that...
Aug 25th 2022
403
      Hot take: Beverley's impact on team offense is underrated.
Aug 25th 2022
411
Post #230
Aug 25th 2022
414
lol. INDEED!
Aug 28th 2022
415
Woj saying Knicks/Jazz were still trying to work a deal for Donovan
Aug 30th 2022
416
The Knicks ain’t trading Barrett.
Aug 30th 2022
417
      RE: The Knicks ain’t trading Barrett.
Aug 30th 2022
418
           If they're going for Mitchell, they have to ride with Randle.
Aug 31st 2022
419
wrong post
Aug 31st 2022
420
Donovan Mitchell to the Cavs?
Sep 01st 2022
421
Markkanen, Sexton, and Agbaji for Mitchell??
Sep 01st 2022
423
DAMN!!! Donovan Mitchell to Cleveland...
Sep 01st 2022
422
Utah got those players, 3 unprotected firsts, *and* 2 swaps. Wow.
Sep 01st 2022
424
Bro, Utah CLEANED UP!!!!!!!!
Sep 01st 2022
425
The Knicks for sure have room for improvement on the court
Sep 01st 2022
426
It wasn't the right time for NYK to shove all in, anyway.
Sep 01st 2022
427
I've never understood the Donovan Mitchell hype
Sep 01st 2022
428
what was Cleveland like an 8th seed with Garland & Mobley?
Sep 01st 2022
429
He's had some big playoff moments, and he deserves credit for that.
Sep 01st 2022
430
Exactly. He's maybe third tier on the star hierarchy
Sep 01st 2022
433
      You're completely ignoring their core.
Sep 01st 2022
439
They kept JA/DG/Mobley in the process
Sep 01st 2022
432
      Idk. I see him as a ball dominant non-defense guard
Sep 01st 2022
434
WE BACK!!!
Sep 01st 2022
431
don't love the cost
Sep 01st 2022
435
      Sexton is not that far off from what Mitchell is.
Sep 01st 2022
436
           Sexton wanted that re-up.
Sep 01st 2022
437
           Utah went from a perennial WCF playoff team to a lotto team...
Sep 01st 2022
438
                You do understand that winning is contextual, right?
Sep 01st 2022
440
                     It’s Utah, they traded 2 All-stars for the possibility of getting more...
Sep 01st 2022
441
                     Context, man. Context.
Sep 01st 2022
446
                          Right, this is the only option for places like Utah or OKC
Sep 01st 2022
448
                     I don't think he's that far off here
Sep 01st 2022
442
                          That’s always going to be the case for a team like Utah
Sep 01st 2022
443
                               Right. If it's true that one or both stars wanted a fresh start...
Sep 01st 2022
444
                                    I knew they werent serious about the season when they hired Will Hardy
Sep 01st 2022
445
                                    Exactly. Long term mediocrity is absolutely worse than a rebuild
Sep 01st 2022
447
                                         And Ainge built Boston doing exactly this.
Sep 02nd 2022
451
                                              RE: And Ainge built Boston doing exactly this.
Sep 02nd 2022
452
                                                   Are they sniffing a title with Mitchell and Gobert?
Sep 02nd 2022
453
Gallo, torn ACL...
Sep 02nd 2022
449
After thinking it over... I think this was a good play for the Cavs.
Sep 02nd 2022
450
76ers add Montrezl Harrell
Sep 06th 2022
454
Good signing.
Sep 07th 2022
455
      He'll *really* help with seeding.
Sep 07th 2022
456
           Yep agreed.
Sep 07th 2022
457
                Would say top 3, but overall agreed.
Sep 07th 2022
458
                     RE: Would say top 3, but overall agreed.
Sep 07th 2022
459
                          Brooklyn's the obvious wild card there. They *could* be #1.
Sep 07th 2022
460
Suns owner Robert Sarver suspended 1yr & fined $10mil:
Sep 13th 2022
461
Schroder back with Los Angeles Lakers
Sep 16th 2022
462
The definition of “gambling on yourself” and losing lol
Sep 16th 2022
463
I still feel bad for the guy. He was delusional
Sep 16th 2022
464
This roster is arguably weirder than last year
Sep 16th 2022
465
definitely more volatile.
Sep 17th 2022
466
You know, this is how they negotiate in the Bizarro World (c) Seinfeld
Sep 21st 2022
469
Ime Udoka facing significant suspension?
Sep 21st 2022
467
if woj has the scoop on an unspecified violation
Sep 21st 2022
468
Do the Celtics have cheerleaders?
Sep 21st 2022
470
Shams: Udoka had improper consensual relationship with co-worker.
Sep 21st 2022
471
Right lol…
Sep 22nd 2022
472
this account randomly tweeted this an hour before the woj bomb.
Sep 22nd 2022
473
unconfirmed but this is allegedly the staff member.
Sep 22nd 2022
474
It can't be the first time he linked with her.
Sep 22nd 2022
475
damn theyre discussing potentially suspending him for the entire season.
Sep 22nd 2022
476
IKR? Must be somebody in the org’s wife
Sep 22nd 2022
477
      If they are in his chain of command, yeah.
Sep 22nd 2022
479
      Yep, Ume should have been smarter for sure.
Sep 22nd 2022
485
           Assuming consent, there's no violation of league rules that i'm aware
Sep 22nd 2022
497
      Yeah Brad Stevens might have it in for him for making him look so bad…
Sep 22nd 2022
482
I'm here for ya Nia...when you're ready
Sep 22nd 2022
478
      No
Sep 22nd 2022
480
      I would think so, what kind of respect can he have in the locker room…
Sep 22nd 2022
481
      It's also a big setback for the strides women are making
Sep 22nd 2022
486
      By being a good coach?
Sep 22nd 2022
490
      There's some rumblings that he and Nia were seperated.....
Sep 22nd 2022
484
      They must’ve just separated then or she put on a good act
Sep 22nd 2022
491
      "Nia, when I see ya, I'mma Long,.,," (c) Ghostface
Sep 22nd 2022
508
It's very unfortunate
Sep 22nd 2022
483
Clinton/Lewinsky was consensual... but you can see the issue...yes?
Sep 22nd 2022
487
      Ume is an a position of power
Sep 22nd 2022
489
           but "suspend" a coach for an entire season? why not just fire him?
Sep 22nd 2022
493
           He just took them to the Finals.
Sep 22nd 2022
494
                this whole thing is just weird to me, hopefully more info will come out
Sep 22nd 2022
499
                     I won't argue with you about this being weird.
Sep 22nd 2022
500
                     Phil Jackson was sleeping with Jeanie Buss
Sep 22nd 2022
501
                          Dating your boss vs dating your boss' daughter...
Sep 23rd 2022
573
                     -edit- Fake report. My bad.
Sep 22nd 2022
507
                          aw, man
Sep 22nd 2022
510
                          Not even close to true.
Sep 22nd 2022
511
           Dogg who the fuck is Ume.
Sep 22nd 2022
505
                RE: Dogg who the fuck is Ume.
Sep 22nd 2022
513
                     Lololol
Sep 22nd 2022
518
Sooo...Nia Long is a free agent?
Sep 22nd 2022
488
She’s is Halle Berry difficult, where she is known for being rude
Sep 22nd 2022
495
      You're the personification of the argument against human evolution
Sep 22nd 2022
503
           LMAO
Sep 22nd 2022
504
           LOL YOOOOOOOOOOOOO FACTS
Sep 22nd 2022
506
           this man edited...
Sep 22nd 2022
509
                Bruh's moonwalking through the stages... some neanderthal hot takes
Sep 22nd 2022
512
                lol
Sep 22nd 2022
515
                allstah is the President of the He-Man Woman Haters Club
Sep 22nd 2022
520
damn, I remember Allison...
Sep 22nd 2022
492
Jazz trade Bojan Bogdanovich to the Pistons for Olynyk and Saban Lee
Sep 22nd 2022
496
That's a *huge* get for that price, tbh.
Sep 22nd 2022
502
      Lakers tax is real, lmao
Sep 22nd 2022
516
Boston Celtics are a trash ass organization!
Sep 22nd 2022
498
WOJ saying 1 year suspension is happening...
Sep 22nd 2022
514
I could not see him coming back as the Celtics HC after this...
Sep 22nd 2022
517
That are chaining him right now.
Sep 22nd 2022
521
      This is one of the few times I've ever agreed with anything you've said ...
Sep 22nd 2022
523
           I'm convinced it was some exec's wife or daughter.
Sep 23rd 2022
542
                This is what I'm hearing. Some VP's wife or something.
Sep 23rd 2022
586
                     Right. Either way, it all starts w/poor decisionmaking by Ime.
Sep 23rd 2022
596
WOW. That dude is catching all time Ls
Sep 22nd 2022
522
Spurs seem willing to take Russ. I say we take that deal.
Sep 22nd 2022
519
damn i called that shit in reply #476. there was a complaint.
Sep 23rd 2022
524
celtics statement sounds like theyre just buying time to fire him.
Sep 23rd 2022
525
It’s still crazy because Udoka has been around for a minute…
Sep 23rd 2022
527
      prolly wasnt the 1st time. just the 1st time he got caught.
Sep 23rd 2022
528
           he came up under Pop in San Antonio, I doubt if he did anything...
Sep 23rd 2022
530
           You don’t know the history of that man, so quit
Sep 23rd 2022
531
                *you* coming to his defense doesnt bode well for him lol.
Sep 23rd 2022
548
btw some of yall clearly dont know what a work wife is lol.
Sep 23rd 2022
526
Right
Sep 23rd 2022
529
You don't do alot of things
Sep 23rd 2022
532
      the entire definition of 'work wife' is platonic tho.
Sep 23rd 2022
533
           Yup
Sep 23rd 2022
552
lol right
Sep 23rd 2022
535
Is she white?
Sep 23rd 2022
536
      White and the wife of a team exec
Sep 23rd 2022
537
           Where'd you get this info from?
Sep 23rd 2022
539
           so far thats a social media rumor and unconfirmed.
Sep 23rd 2022
540
Apparently, Udoka was given a choice to resign or receive a suspension.
Sep 23rd 2022
534
Ime Udoka is an undisciplined dumbass.
Sep 23rd 2022
538
So what are the chances Udoka coaches the Celtics again?
Sep 23rd 2022
541
They don't want to pay him *and* don't want him coaching elsewhere.
Sep 23rd 2022
543
That probably sums it up.
Sep 23rd 2022
553
I feel like that pretty much sums it up
Sep 23rd 2022
623
im surprised you have it as high as 60%.
Sep 23rd 2022
544
I'm only saying that because he made the Finals in year 1.
Sep 23rd 2022
547
I put it at zero...there's simply no way he can be back...
Sep 23rd 2022
556
5%
Sep 23rd 2022
568
Anyone here from the Boston area?
Sep 23rd 2022
545
The piecemeal part of this is probably why he still has a job.
Sep 23rd 2022
549
The piecemeal aspect to all this
Sep 23rd 2022
566
Like someone else said it’s all about money and contracts at this poin...
Sep 23rd 2022
575
From Boston, and fans are mixed.
Sep 23rd 2022
570
woj is largely useless on this story.
Sep 23rd 2022
546
yet they allowed Woj to run with this...
Sep 23rd 2022
551
its pretty clear woj just got whatever team wanted him to say.
Sep 23rd 2022
558
Woj's reporting is by and large fucking useless.
Sep 23rd 2022
557
he's almost a caricature, at this point
Sep 23rd 2022
560
woj and screaming a are both generating clicks and ratings for ESPN
Sep 23rd 2022
563
the replacement (mazulla) got domestic violence on his record.
Sep 23rd 2022
550
the celtics hired an independent law firm to conduct an investigation?
Sep 23rd 2022
554
brad stevens tearing up and cussing?
Sep 23rd 2022
555
      Just said the same to my friend. That was wild.
Sep 23rd 2022
559
      Maybe. Ultimately, I think the Celtics fucked this up though.
Sep 23rd 2022
561
           Totally agree.
Sep 23rd 2022
562
           ^^^^^^
Sep 23rd 2022
564
           Wyc says there were "a couple of violations, at least"
Sep 23rd 2022
565
           idk man i think people expect a perfect solution to every situation
Sep 23rd 2022
578
                Its absolutely complicated
Sep 23rd 2022
581
The media isn’t stupid. Reporters keep asking the same question.
Sep 23rd 2022
567
reporters are asking the same question because they already
Sep 23rd 2022
574
The Lowe Post: "It's messy, it's ugly, and it's going to be really sad."
Sep 23rd 2022
569
If this part is true
Sep 23rd 2022
571
      According to them, they did.
Sep 23rd 2022
572
Is it just me or is Udoka getting way more coverage than Sarver?
Sep 23rd 2022
576
definitely knocked him out of the news but
Sep 23rd 2022
579
And Brett Favre.
Sep 23rd 2022
580
It’s a way juicier story
Sep 23rd 2022
583
Agreed on Sarver, not on Favre.
Sep 23rd 2022
587
Plus its alot of speculation. Speculation causes talking points, curiosi...
Sep 23rd 2022
591
Sarver will get back in the news cycle
Sep 23rd 2022
613
      He’s been on FOUR!
Sep 23rd 2022
617
malika andrews almost lit up stephen a smith on his own show lol.
Sep 23rd 2022
577
He did check her ass though lol…
Sep 23rd 2022
582
she aint wanna lose her job lol.
Sep 23rd 2022
584
lol…
Sep 23rd 2022
585
As he should have.
Sep 24th 2022
639
I mean, he's not wrong in saying
Sep 23rd 2022
589
this guy did something foul, that has to be accepted as consensus
Sep 23rd 2022
588
Of course.
Sep 23rd 2022
590
      I think it can be simply summarized as “they don’t want it to get ou...
Sep 23rd 2022
594
      Agreed but like I said above I don’t think his “violations” were a...
Sep 23rd 2022
597
This is kind of discriminatory to me.
Sep 23rd 2022
592
Stevens is saying there were women traumatized in the organization dude
Sep 23rd 2022
593
You’re not listening.
Sep 23rd 2022
598
      Jfc dude. The issue is the power dynamic.
Sep 23rd 2022
599
      A this dude is a bootlicker
Sep 23rd 2022
619
      Neither are you, really.
Sep 23rd 2022
600
           Fair enough…if there is more information that has yet to be reported.
Sep 23rd 2022
Your brains are scrambled eggs.
Sep 23rd 2022
595
matt barnes got all the details. its '100x uglier than we thought'.
Sep 23rd 2022
601
right. if Matt Barnes is like "nah bruh..." this gonna get ugly.
Sep 23rd 2022
602
Which makes a suspension even weirder…
Sep 23rd 2022
606
      i agree. if it's as bad as people are starting to make it sound...
Sep 23rd 2022
607
      It just buys them time....
Sep 23rd 2022
608
           Yea we're short on details.
Sep 23rd 2022
610
           I think delaying a decision is worse. It will just hang over their heads...
Sep 23rd 2022
614
                My guess is there was threat of a leak once the investigation concluded ...
Sep 23rd 2022
616
Sorry for the off tangent question here
Sep 23rd 2022
603
yeah...it was the summer before the 2016 season...
Sep 23rd 2022
611
I think he’s speculating like everyone else
Sep 23rd 2022
618
Exactly, but that’s twitter and this age of social media
Sep 23rd 2022
620
this textbook dry snitching lol
Sep 23rd 2022
621
ime udoka didnt tell nia long til now even tho he got caught in july.
Sep 23rd 2022
604
He had her move here *TWO WEEKS AGO*
Sep 23rd 2022
605
yeah that nigga got zero scruples.
Sep 23rd 2022
615
This combined with M. Barnes' take = Udoka a demon.
Sep 23rd 2022
609
btw i dont think the celtics cold leaked it.
Sep 23rd 2022
612
      It’s clear they covered it up
Sep 24th 2022
642
More is coming out, apparently it was the white wife of a white VP?
Sep 23rd 2022
622
He gave up on Nia Long for that? sheesh
Sep 23rd 2022
624
Allison Feaster was never reported
Sep 23rd 2022
625
It was speculated on twitter like everything else
Sep 23rd 2022
627
      Yes, that's my point.
Sep 23rd 2022
628
      just like what you posted lol.
Sep 24th 2022
635
I understand why he hit.
Sep 23rd 2022
626
he got a danger fetish. white jawn named lynch? ok. nm
Sep 23rd 2022
629
lol
Sep 23rd 2022
631
lol
Sep 24th 2022
637
I just saw she is not married to anyone currently in the org.
Sep 23rd 2022
632
yeah the scoop is already falling apart.
Sep 24th 2022
634
fam thats from an unconfirmed bso report.
Sep 24th 2022
633
      It’s all kinds of stuff out there, now they’re saying a player snitc...
Sep 24th 2022
640
           thesportsrush via blacksportsonline via mediatakeout? cmon man lol.
Sep 24th 2022
643
Summer Jam screen need Picture-in-picture now. nm
Sep 23rd 2022
630
LOL!
Sep 25th 2022
647
neither shams nor woj reported that a law firm had to be brought in
Sep 24th 2022
636
Those dudes speculating like everybody else
Sep 24th 2022
638
I didn't think there'd be a wilder story in sports this year
Sep 24th 2022
641
      hold on Doc, who you talking about??
Sep 24th 2022
644
           Mr. Fun Ball himself
Sep 25th 2022
645
                Farve and Sarver are way bigger stories yet Udoka is the headline...
Sep 25th 2022
646
                oh...he's been a selfish prick for so long
Sep 27th 2022
677
affair discovered by husband hearing convo on home doorbell camera.
Sep 25th 2022
648
woman/employee booked travel for udoka and sometimes nia long.
Sep 25th 2022
649
sports media really dropping the ball on this story.
Sep 25th 2022
651
      Sounds like a you problem
Sep 26th 2022
653
      RE: Sounds like a you problem
Sep 26th 2022
654
      wouldn't the same logic apply to a suspension? Especially for one year?`
Sep 26th 2022
655
           in the history of pro sports I have never seen a coach "suspended"...
Sep 26th 2022
660
                i mean sure. or it could mean the celtics are still open to the possibil...
Sep 26th 2022
662
                it's happened with league suspensions, dunno about team suspensions
Sep 26th 2022
665
                     who?
Sep 26th 2022
667
                          Sean Payton
Sep 26th 2022
669
                               Alex Cora too
Sep 26th 2022
670
                                    I had forgotten about both of those but still totally different…
Sep 26th 2022
671
                                         I think Cora’s situation might be analogous.
Sep 27th 2022
679
      lol agreed. I would be furious if espn was dropping those tmz tidbits
Sep 26th 2022
656
           I'm assuming people missed Brad Stevens' presser
Sep 26th 2022
657
                again if they had just fired him most people would have moved on...
Sep 26th 2022
661
                     The story leaked, that took away any leverage BOS FO had
Sep 27th 2022
674
      they aren't dropping the ball. this is a CAA job.
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1. "Malcolm Brogdon to the Celtics..."
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for Theis, Aaron Nesmith, Nick Stauskas, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan and a 2023 1st. Nice.

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2. "this is fantastic"
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3. "I love it"
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Especially for the price. We keep everyone we need to make a legit run.

  

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4. "Not bad. Still remains to be seen if Tatum/Brown THOSE guys."
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If not, they still gon' lose, but good move for sure.

Also, fuck y'all for stealing my shit.

  

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5. "so for free?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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19. "maybe those are movable contracts, expiring deals, etc"
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otherwise...sheesh

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49. "LOL"
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___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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11. "gallo signing with boston too."
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542894609113780229

  

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15. "He isn’t a facilitating PG"
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He is more of shooting guard, another Derrick White, that’s why
the pacers traded for Halliburton.

Brogdon avg 5.9 assists last season, and 4.8 for his career....

And his ball handling skills are average, and his defense sucks...

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52. "He doesn't have to be really"
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Celtics don't need a PG who's going to dominate the ball, but just someone you can trust to get you into the right plays/spots.

  

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6. "Gobert to the T-Wolves?"
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9. "Fulfilling KAT’s lifelong dream of being a spot up shooter "
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Dude is going be out there thinking he’s prime Ray Allen, minus running off screens and making the defense move and stuff.

If I could make a bet in Vegas against him ever winning a championship or even coming out his conference I would absolutely do it. Too bad because it seems like Edwards is the total opposite and is about that life.

  

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7. "Windy looking like the scene from Pee Wee's Big Adventure..."
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when he had everyone in the basement, explaining the conspiracy behind his bike being stolen:
https://twitter.com/StevenCheah/status/1542879004033695746?t=uxa2R6IKmW2Px1bLdCkBqw&s=19

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8. "caught that live. that was art lol"
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stephen a gonna dap him up whenever he gets back off vacation

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10. "Deets on the Gobert trade..."
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Minny gets: Rudy
Jazz get: Pat Bev, Malik Beasley, Walker Kessler, Jared Vanderbilt, 2023/2025/2027 unprotected picks and 2029 Top 5 protected.

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12. "The Jazz got two try hard defensive players."
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Pat Bev is a veteran try hard and Walker belongs to that same tier.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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17. "5 first round picks for Rudy Robert???"
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Ainge fleeced the shit out of them. The wolves will regret this tremendously,
because it will limit them for years to come in trying to get another offensive
weapon.

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31. "lol that’s so much shit…he can’t score!"
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13. "Looney re-signs with Warriors. Three years, $25.5 million"
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Most important piece that we had to re-sign. There word this was basically done before free agency began. Happy to have him back.

I guess now they can sign Bjelica and/or Lee if they want to, are they could focus efforts on rebuilding their bench. I doubt there's going to ve a shortage of players who'll want to play here.

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14. "bjelica signed with his former team in turkey."
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https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1542950694008659968

dude got his ring and left the nba entirely.

  

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16. "what you think about DiVincenzo as a 3&D replacement for "
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GP2?

(not sure how that money works or if it does)

  

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18. "That would be an excellent replacement because he "
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is way better than GP offensively, and has good defense, not
as good as GP’s though.

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20. "his 3pt shooting is spotty at best"
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21. "i mean, GP2 wasn't a dead-eye shooter."
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and, like GP2, a bunch of em gonna be WIDE open.

i mean, if I'm the Dubs i'd take GP2, but obviously that ain't happening so they gotta fill the spot and that seems like a solid replacement as far as filling the role GP2 had.

  

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22. "He shot 37 pct from 3 last season"
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and did it twice. He Is way better than spotty.

GP can’t shoot at all or hit 3s

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24. "you need to click better box scores if youre gonna Box Score Bobby"
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he shot 37% "with the Kings"

he shot 28% with the Bucks, for a combined average of 33.9%

thats prototype spotty

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25. "He shot 38 pct from 3 for the entire season of "
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20-21 for the Milwaukee Bucks. What are you talking about?
So that pct with Sacramento is not an
anomaly, and it is what he can average .....

and he shoots 83 pct from the charity line.

He is a legit 3/D guy.

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26. "warriors just signed divincenzo."
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1543011935398117377

  

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27. "Good shit!"
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Bucks were so stupid to trade him and go with Grayson Allen.

He is on of the best perimeter defenders on screens and PnR...
him and Holiday in the backcourt were locking dudes up.

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28. "WHITE DONTE LET'S GO!"
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called that shit.

  

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23. "mods should lock that other post."
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just so people know to post in this one.

i got tripped up a lil earlier lol.

  

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29. "damion lee leaves warriors for the suns. thank God."
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1543073019093983232

  

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30. "LOL. Who Steve gonna play now to make us all scratch our heads"
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32. "Darius Garland - Bag Man 💰…"
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rookie max. Dude was a revelation for me, with League Pass. Tried to watch him whenever I could.

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33. "Minnesota is fucked."
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A monster package of draft equity for a guy who, while he can anchor a regular season defense better than any other post player in the league, cannot be an effective switch defender in the playoffs.

So they'll be stuck with a two-big lineup on defense in the playoffs, neither of whom can remotely switch on defense, getting their asses busted routinely by guards and wings.

Maybe their goal isn't to contend for a title, maybe it's just to be a 5 seed every year. Fair enough. The picks will only be in the 20s, maybe they thing that juice is worth the squeeze.

But they could also be one KAT or Gobert injury from the lottery. Or an Edwards refusal to extend from irrelevance.

I just don't know what they do going forward.

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34. "KAT doesn't defend so they had to get somebody to play with him..."
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similar to when Dallas had to get Tyson Chandler to play with Dirk

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35. "It would’ve worked well a decade ago."
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But if a front court was Dirk and Tyson today, teams would just force them to switch and destroy Dirk and/or Tyson in space. It’s just a different game.

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36. "oh i think Ant is out of there ASAP."
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also, good, fuck Minny.

  

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37. "Yea I’d bet money he wants to be in ATL w Trae and Dejounte Murray"
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>also, good, fuck Minny.

No way he resigns w Minnesota

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39. "RE: Yea I’d bet money he wants to be in ATL w Trae and Dejounte Murray"
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>
>No way he resigns w Minnesota

said the same thing about Zion the second NO won the lottery

its easy for a guy online to say but the reality of walking away from an extra 30-40 million is tough to do in the real world

I don't know the number but its only been a couple players to do that, I think. I really like Edwards game though and the team should be interesting next year

  

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40. "touche, esp now when you can just force your way out at any time"
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might as well get the bag and then say you want out


cba negotiations about to be bloody

>>
>>No way he resigns w Minnesota
>
>said the same thing about Zion the second NO won the lottery
>
>its easy for a guy online to say but the reality of walking
>away from an extra 30-40 million is tough to do in the real
>world
>
>I don't know the number but its only been a couple players to
>do that, I think. I really like Edwards game though and the
>team should be interesting next year

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41. "yeah this point is actually valid so maybe i'm wrong about Ant."
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like, as we see, these guys can just force their way out of almost any situation, so might as well just get your money then if the situation ain't working out for you, force a trade.

i mean, it seems like that's the m.o. of the modern NBA player that has any sort of leverage.

  

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42. "RE: yeah this point is actually valid so maybe i'm wrong about Ant."
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>like, as we see, these guys can just force their way out of
>almost any situation, so might as well just get your money
>then if the situation ain't working out for you, force a
>trade.
>

very true and that will be something owners are going to want to change in the next cba.

Next Someone may try to force a trade right after getting maxed out. Or didn't Simmons do it already?

It'll be interesting to see what they'll come up with.
I know somebody is working on it right now.

  

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38. "Brooklyn really asked for Devin Booker, allegedly."
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KD isn't asking for the Lakers and their offer was bs.

Suns offered Bridges and Ayton, Nets scoffed, requested Devin Booker so negotiations stalled allegedly.

Kyrie really wants to go to the Lakers but they need to pay a bit of Russ' salary and add more to the deal so the deal might not get done until later on, allegedly.

Minnesota is a glorified farm system until they stop sabotaging themselves with dumb trades.

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43. "Durant to warriors is the only deal that really makes sense"
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Nets can get a ton of young talent (wiseman, kuminga, poole), all star wiggins and picks. Warriors would have a core that can still compete for chamionships.

I think its either warriors or he stays in BK, nothing else makes sense

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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44. "I think Toronto could put together a reasonable deal."
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If Brooklyn wants to go young, you package Scottie Barnes, OG Anunoby, Gary Trent, Precious Achiuwa, Malachi Flynn, and 4 first round picks. You center around KD, Siakam, and FVV, and that's a pretty damn good core, as I think Siakam is perfectly suited as a second option and FVV as a third. It's obviously not as sexy as KD and Steph together, but Toronto has shown with their title run that they known how to center a squad around a star and actually tailor the talent around him, rather than doing what so many teams do and just signing whatever talented guys they can and hoping they figure out fit later.

I only bring this up because I'm not 100% convinced the Warriors would so freely give up both Poole *and* Wiggins, especially given their importance this postseason, and given the fact that they probably (correctly) believe Brooklyn is over a barrel on this. And considering the advanced ages of three of their core four (if KD came back), you'd have to think a bench would be crucial to their ability to maintain over the course of a season. It'll be interesting to see what Golden State actually offers and what Brooklyn is looking to receive-- I have to imagine they'll be starting fairly far apart.

I would've said New Orleans could put together a deal around Zion, but now that he signed that extension, that's not happening. I also would've thought Boston could make a nice offer centered around Jaylen Brown, but I don't think they have the young talent necessary to sweeten the deal.

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48. "That Toronto offer is trash and he doesn’t want to go there "
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53. "👍"
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45. "Wiggins can't be in the deal as long as Simmons is there. "
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You can't have two players that you trade for that are on rookie extensions. So unless they trade Simmons then this is a no go. Also why in the hell would Brooklyn do this deal when they really want GOOD picks back. The Warriors will be good for years. This isn't like what Houston is about to get from the Nets. Houston is laughing at everyone who doubted them when they took all those picks for Harden and not players. They bet on the Nets imploding and they were right.

  

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46. "Oh wow, I forgot Wiggins was on a rookie extension. "
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Yeah, I don't think Wiseman, Poole, Kuminga, Moody, and picks is as good as what Toronto can offer.

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56. "Forgot about wiggins deal"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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47. "RE: Durant to warriors is the only deal that really makes sense"
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>Nets can get a ton of young talent (wiseman, kuminga, poole),
>all star wiggins and picks. Warriors would have a core that
>can still compete for chamionships.
>

Warriors already have that though. Not sure they should mortgage for their future. They’re already the champs, with young talent that hasn’t peaked yet.

  

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50. "as a Dubs fan, i don't want this."
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like, the chances of winning more chips PROBABLY goes up, but it's been too sweet watching what this iteration of the Warriors has been able to do and no one can say "oh you had to bring one of the best players to win it."

it's just nice not hearing about that kinda shit, plus i still think Steph has more to do and Durant being around will just hinder that.

  

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51. "It would be a bigger sucker move than the first time…"
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after all the shit they talked about him?

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54. "There's a less than 0% chance of the trade happening"
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Especially in Marcus Thompson's "Just throwing it out there!" proposal.

The Warriors have their plan and they're sticking to it. They drafted Poole, Kuminga, and Wiseman with the idea that they were going to build towards a post-Steph/Klay/Draymond future. The idea that they'd trade all of them, plus Wiggins and draft picks, AFTER they already won another championship, for KD is pretty ludicrous. They stuck to this plan in the most dire circumstances (when it came out that Klay was done for the 2019-20 season they day before the draft), and they're not going blow it up now.

Besides, all the "issues" KD had the last time he was here are still there. IF anything, Steph, Klay, and Draymond are MORE popular among the fanbase than they were in 2019. Kerr and the coaching staff are not going to switch to ISO ball to make KD happy if he came back.

Only way I would see a trade happening is it was for Wiggins, maybe Wiseman, and picks. All four of the players plus picks is a non-starter. You would think Thompson would know better.

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55. "exactly. this the most click-baity shit possible. dubs pulled off a mira..."
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compete and rebuild combo and won a chip, and then they gonna blow it all up for kd's sensitive ass?

that'd be synonyms for stupid that don't exist yet.

dubs can fuck around and have two nba starting lineups on the same squad (steph, dray, klay, loon, wigs as team blue, poole, kuminga, wise, moody and donte as team gold).

jk and moody had games when they were filling in due to injuries last year when they put up > 20 points. poole is easily a 20 ppg guy with enough minutes. wise dropped 20 a couple times in his rookie year before the injury. that 5 won't make the playoffs now by itself, but you could easily run them against some of the younger squads in the league (houston, okc, etc).

having that secondary core learning from the primary, 4 chip core, AND taking miles off of them (especially in kerr's 'everybody plays' system), is going to extend the big 3's window and allow a seamless transition to a new era.

ditch all that for kd to eat up a buncha cap space and then be unfulfilled after another championship? (and the pressure on kd gonna be WORSE from the dubs fanbase, other fanbases, and click hungry instigating ass talking heads).

>Especially in Marcus Thompson's "Just throwing it out there!"
>proposal.
>
>The Warriors have their plan and they're sticking to it. They
>drafted Poole, Kuminga, and Wiseman with the idea that they
>were going to build towards a post-Steph/Klay/Draymond future.
>The idea that they'd trade all of them, plus Wiggins and draft
>picks, AFTER they already won another championship, for KD is
>pretty ludicrous. They stuck to this plan in the most dire
>circumstances (when it came out that Klay was done for the
>2019-20 season they day before the draft), and they're not
>going blow it up now.
>
>Besides, all the "issues" KD had the last time he was here are
>still there. IF anything, Steph, Klay, and Draymond are MORE
>popular among the fanbase than they were in 2019. Kerr and the
>coaching staff are not going to switch to ISO ball to make KD
>happy if he came back.
>
>Only way I would see a trade happening is it was for Wiggins,
>maybe Wiseman, and picks. All four of the players plus picks
>is a non-starter. You would think Thompson would know better.

and it can't be wiggs unless they ditch simmons (and who would take him?). giving up wise would be dumb.


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57. "I mean i agree with you, but all the ither durant deals make even"
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Less sense for both sides. Whichbis why i think a durant deal doesnt happen.

Warriors at least have the pieces to make it work and can still be a chip contender.

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85. "Since you are the resident"
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and I hope somewhat level headed Warriors fan, I'll ask you this: wasn't the Warriors front office one of the reasons Durant left Golden State? I could have sworn I heard Durant say he didn't like how the Golden State front office tried to mend fences between him and Draymond during the infamous OT debacle when Draymond ran his mouth.

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59. "I find the Warriors young pieces a bit overrated"
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I wouldn't be too excited to pay Wiggins and Poole both a max next offseason if I'm a Nets team fighting to make the play-in.

Barnes has a higher upside than any of them

I think KD would rather go pretty much anywhere than go back to Golden State. He'd be setting his legacy on fire.

  

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58. "lots of buzz around Lakers & Nets negotiations"
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Haynes reported "palpable optimism" centered around Irving to the Lakers - and then walked it back a bit saying that talks are "preliminary" at this point. Woj reporting that there's "no traction" on a deal at this time.

Latest is that Pacers & Hornets may be getting involved in a multi-team deal with lots of moving parts.

In all scenarios it looks like Nunn/THT, Westbrook, and even Reaves are being floated as pieces to the deal along with LAL future 1st round draft picks (2). Lakers would get Irving, Harris or Curry and in one scenario possibly Hield as well from Indiana.

Apparently Kyrie just bought a home in LA. There were reports that Philly and Dallas were interested in dealing for Kyrie, but both teams seem to have shot down those rumors - so perhaps this deal might actually go down if the Lakers are the only suitor for Irving, which seems to be the case given the reports that Kyrie is saying he'll be a Laker either this year or next year when via free agency.

Little Mountain the Padawan has turned into a Jedi to continue Kobe's legacy in LaLa?

I know there's a lot of hate being thrown around, but LeBron, Kyrie & AD is a tough trio (if healthy/available which I realize is a big if)

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62. "*and* Hield?"
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If they can work this to land Kyrie, either Harris or Curry, *and* Hield, yeah, I’m hally to roll the dice on Kyrie’s weirdo bullshit

I’m still with Screamin’ A on him, but I’ll take that deal on a Kyrie rental

Especially if it’s Curry and not Harris

  

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63. "if they somehow land Kyrie, Hield, and Curry..."
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...AND unload Russel Westbrook?

I mean, Kyrie's bullshit aside, how would that not be considered a hugely successful offseason for the Lakers?

  

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65. "It would be. Which means it's not happening."
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66. "there's hands able enough to pull this off across the NBA..."
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...like a Presti or Ainge or Stevens or Majiri could somehow find a way to pull that off

Rob Pelinka and Lebron probably could not

  

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76. "I just think it's ultimately about Russ."
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Nobody wants him. Obviously. With all the slander he took last year - I don't even think he helps sell tickets anymore if I'm being honest.

Lakers have almost no assets. The Lebron James experience truly is wild.

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74. "lol"
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60. "TJ Warren to the Nets."
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Not a bad flier for them to take, especially during this time of uncertainty. I've never been a big fan of his game, but he does provide offensive value if he can be healthy.

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61. "um, cool."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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64. "Dennis Schroder really fumbled that bag, man."
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I mean - we'd PROBABLY be better off with him for another few years than Westbrook last year + this year...but my goodness, 84 million gone for a 6 million/1 year deal and now - IS there a market for him?

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67. "both woj and now shams saying no traction in lakers/kyrie talks."
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so thats a player guy and an exec guy both giving the same conclusion.

shams is also saying nets are making free agent moves as if both kd and kyrie are playing for them this year.

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1544366622722273280

i think reality is setting in. kd wants to go to a top contender. but most contenders (who are maybe 1 piece away from a title) prolly arent looking to gut the roster and send back an all-star, young assets, and a bunch of draft picks. and then you add in the ben simmons rookie extension barrier. and the later this drags on...its only gonna get harder for a team to fill out a potentially top heavy durant roster...as more quality free agents are already signing with other teams.


  

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68. "I have very little faith KD is traded."
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Kyrie...perhaps a different story. But at the end of the day, he's a guy who can a) help a contender, obviously and b) is an expiring contract. So - he's an asset regardless of the league wide perception of him. The only real reason to trade either guy is if Marks/Tsai are as sick of their shit as has been reported. But if that's just media/soap opera spin - their best option is to stand pat.

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71. "i think the warriors run is actually kinda making teams stand pat."
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in a strange way.

because the dubs looked so mortal/vulnerable even while they won a title.

so there isnt this frantic arms race where teams feel pressured to swing for the fences and land all nba talent to avoid being outgunned next year.

the league was wide open last year with more true title contenders than we have seen in a long while. and it feels like most of the top squads believe a key role player addition or two and some better luck with injuries is enough to put them over the top.

  

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75. "Definitely something to this."
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That said - the Nets have won exactly one playoff series with KD/Kyrie. Injuries are what they are, of course - but I think it's a helluva lot easier to stand pat with a core that had won a title before (ahem...thanks, Rob).

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69. "So I'm assuming the Nets front office"
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is confident some teams will give up top commensurate return for both players by the trade deadline in the middle of next season.

I wonder if the Nets are looking at how Daryl Morey was able to get Harden for Ben Simmons and are operating under the assumption they will be able to replicate a similar type of trade.

The big difference of course is that at least Morey had Embiid on the roster, so there was less pressure on terms of him not completely screwing up the Sixers franchise in how he traded for Simmons. That's not the case here at all.

I will say that I will be amazed and impressed if the Nets manage to trade both Durant and Kyrie without blowing up the team by getting a handful of lesser tier players and a ton of draft picks in return.

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70. "basically but who knows, I remember a few years ago when all of the..."
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72. "Crazy TOTD: Would the Nets take Lebron for KD straight up? "
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That could potentially erase the Kyrie problem

Further, Russ is a much better fit next to KD, largely fixing the Lakers primary issue

Won’t happen, but that really seems like the beat solution for all the principles

  

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73. "LMAO. oh man that would be entertaining!"
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77. "Brooklyn just needs to wait til cooler heads prevail."
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Like, yes, they’re all weirdos, and health is far from a given… but a KD/Kyrie/Simmons core is one of the highest upside trios in the NBA. They bring in Royce O’Neal to defend on the wing… like, memes aside, there’s real title contention upside here, lol.

I don’t think KD will land in a better situation to win now. And maybe, if he takes a few weeks to calm down, he’ll realize this and give it one more shot in Brooklyn this season.

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78. "Definitely."
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The ONLY way I see it going differently now is (as said above) if Marks and Tsai are as sick of their shit as has been reported. I mean, I read Tsai liked some dumbass tweets pretty much proving he's tired of it (why do prominent people use Twitter again?) - but regardless, cooler heads can prevail on both sides.

There is little chance they can get a haul that they'd actually move KD for. It's not dissimilar to Kobe demanding a trade pre-Pau. They can look for a deal - but certainly don't have to trade him. Kyrie is probably as low as he can possibly be as an asset right now too. If they really wanted to move one or both - right now really isn't the time.

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80. "TJ Warren is a nice pick up too, they really have a good team"
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if their big 3 actually shows up

>Like, yes, they’re all weirdos, and health is far from a
>given… but a KD/Kyrie/Simmons core is one of the highest
>upside trios in the NBA. They bring in Royce O’Neal to
>defend on the wing… like, memes aside, there’s real title
>contention upside here, lol.
>
>I don’t think KD will land in a better situation to win now.
>And maybe, if he takes a few weeks to calm down, he’ll
>realize this and give it one more shot in Brooklyn this
>season.

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79. "Feels like Brooklyn has pivoted a bit"
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Especially w/ the Warren signing -- they seem to have perhaps decided to hold KD to his contract and/or have not liked the offers returning for KD.

Lakers also reportedly are ready to move on assuming the Kyrie trade doesn't go through. Rumors are that a packaged deal could include Hield & Turner for Lakers assets and expiring Russ contract. W/ the Brogdon trade Indy seems keen to blow it up and start fresh.

I also feel like there's a lot of jostling for leverage going down, whereby Lakers/Nets are posturing like they both have other options if the Kyrie deal doesn't go down - when in reality both of those teams don't really have any great options. But just feels like Brooklyn is going to take its time and perhaps try and convince KD & Kyrie to stay. I mean, Brooklyn's roster right now just got markedly better IMO w/ some nice FA signings. I actually think as presently constructed, they're title contenders.

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82. "Dealing (essentially) Russ for Hield would be quite the irony"
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Given that if Rob signed Hield outright last year, the Lakers would be in a much better place, roster-wise.

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84. "Yup. Hield feels like the one that got away "
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And while I don't think Hield moves the needle *that* much, I do think he'd be a great fit on this team. Lakers (once again) need shooting and their focus now needs to be on getting shooters that can spread the floor and open up space for Bron & AD to operate.

Best case scenario is Kyrie and a shooter (or two) - whether that's Harris, Curry or Hield. I'd take whatever's available if I'm LAL and send out those draft picks and assets (THT/Nunn/Reaves etc..) without hesitation to get a talent like Kyrie and additional shooter(s).

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81. "Lakers picked up Thomas Bryant to be their starting center "
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He is Montrezl Harrell 2.0. He is all offense, with zero ability to play
defense. But the real problem is he is injury prone, and is unable to
stay on the court. He has played only 37 games in the past two seasons
due to an ACL injury, and played in only 40-something games in the year prior
to his ACL injury.

Anthony Davis and Bryant in your front court? Good luck with that from
a health stand point.







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83. "Woj: Spurs may be a potential 3rd team involved in Kyrie deal"
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Spurs have cap space and are also seemingly dealing away assets to create room for a hard rebuild (similar to Indiana).

My guess is that Brooklyn will hear out offers and negotiate in-person in Vegas at Summer League - and may be prepared to try and go into next season with KD if they don't like the current market. Given that, they may be holding Kyrie in tow in the event that happens as reports are that KD & Kyrie still would like to play together and the beef isn't between them - but with Nets org.

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86. "james harden bitching to sam cassell about working hard."
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tyrese maxey smiling and looking forward to the challenge.

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87. "LMAO"
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88. "dude tryna game the point system in *practice* smh."
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89. "dame pockets on 9:15."
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1545516544033116161

  

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91. "lol"
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92. "63 mil a year? "
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Honestly...cannot be mad at Dame. Portland legend forever.

It's HARD to win a ring. Get the bag. That's the only thing he can actually be in control of.

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93. "the grind pays too well to run from it. smh."
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94. "West Coast Beal"
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If you’re Beal or Dame, what r u gonna do but say “yes please”

I mean they’re career losers, but also egregiously wealthy. Who am I to fault them because they never won a (n imaginary) championship ?

  

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95. "I wouldnt consider dame a career loser"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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96. "That’s from pocket watching broke boys, Dame and Beal have both…"
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had great NBA careers and thusly made a shit ton of money doing it. Their kids, their kid’s kids, and their kids should never want for anything.

Dame will be in the HOF, Beal probably won’t at this point but he still had a great career that a lot of people would kill for. Sure every would love to win multiple championships like other players but both of these dudes have had long NBA careers and don’t appear to be slowing down and will probably be near billionaires by the time they retire.

Scottie Pippen’s net worth is like 20 with out 7 baby mamas fighting for that I bet he would trade his 6 rings for these guys situations in a heartbeat.

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97. "Maybe “career losers” was harsh, but I agree with everything you sai..."
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102. "Agreed. And they'll be *legends* in their towns."
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103. "Dame will be. Beal won’t."
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Beal’s done nothing, and consensus here in DC is that the Wizards shouldn’t have paid him and should have instead traded him last year

  

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264. "GIVE ME THE BAG, He can Mitch Richmond a ring in 5 years."
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98. "agreed, Portland has usually been a playoff team "
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they have generally maxed out IMO. Even made a WCF. Dame has had a couple of series winning buzzer beaters, and done all he could. Organizations win championships. They haven’t given him enough to work with to do that, but they’ve been solid in the time that he’s been their guy.

Washington has more or less been trash for 40 years, that’s not Beal’s fault - though I don’t see him as the same level of player or building block as Dame.

  

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99. "Losers? They played their way into nearly a half billion in contracts"
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By being among the very best to ever perform in their profession.

You- and the rest of us- wish you could be a loser of that magnitude.

So much of winning in the NBA comes down to competent management, and a bit of luck.

Unless, of course, you take your future in your hands and decide to go play with others of your caliber.

But then these guys get shit on for that too.

But calling Dame a career loser is so far above and beyond. It's as bad as calling Kawhi a bitch. These are people who, as players, are top tier.

If Dame played his whole career with Embiid, there's a great chance we'd be talking about both guys in a way that's an order of magnitude above their current stature. Ditto Beal. If he was on the Bucks instead of Middleton, He'd probably have at least 2-3 rings at this point.

We can say they're wasting their prime on losing teams or what have you, perhaps the organizations are losers, but Dame?

Every fan of every team in this league wishes they had Dame. Ask any all star, off record, if they'd trade their next best player or player(s) for Dame, and like 95% of them would say yes.
Calling guys at that level career losers is just flat out delusional.

  

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100. "Agree completely. See my last sentence of that post"
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They’re not “losers” like fuckups. They’re losers in that they’ll simply never win anything. What I was saying there is that in reality who cares if they never win? (I even called championships imaginary, which they basically are in the grand scheme of life)

Look what they’ve done for themselves.

I agree with everything everyone has said

  

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90. "harden taking $15 mil paycut to help build out roster."
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1545484220377604096

should buy him a good bit of slander protection.

  

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104. "Nets Season Ticket Promo features 7 but no 11"
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https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/1546198224570138626

Joe Harris getting a plug ? lol

Kyrie out at-large @ sparks & summer league games.

Summer League FA '22 is wild af.

If Lakers can convert Russ expiring contract & a pick or two for Irving & Curry - then Bron Corleone really is The Alchemist turning water into wine.

Speaking of vino - Kyrie is Kobe's Padawan. If Kyrie gets a chance to shine in LA this year, I think he plays elite and is more committed than we've seen since '16 Cleveland. Contract year as well. Kyrie seems destined to wear purple & gold.

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105. "Damn, the NBA is wilde"
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107. "Kurt Rambis is far from a fan of Kyrie Irving, allegedly...."
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But willing to bring him in and see how he fits Lakers culture. At some Brown has to take a step back and let someone else take over. Who's that going to be.

Fun hidden gem that might not come out until decades after Lebron is retired:

He was going to sign with the Lakers until Kobe vetoed it. Cleveland was his backup choice. Talk about a what if scenario. Lebronon and Kobestan uniting might've broken this message board.

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106. "fam what if kyrie already moved to l.a.? lol."
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it wouldnt surprise me if kyrie already moved his family out there...is training and hanging out there...already planting seeds with business(es) out there...and he would tell the nets to just get the trade done on their end cuz he aint coming back to ny lol.

like 'yall handle that...that aint my problem...' lmao

  

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124. "there are 37 million reasons why he cant do that"
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>it wouldnt surprise me if kyrie already moved his family out
>there...is training and hanging out there...already planting
>seeds with business(es) out there...and he would tell the nets
>to just get the trade done on their end cuz he aint coming
>back to ny lol.
>
>like 'yall handle that...that aint my problem...' lmao


nets don't want Westbrook, so kyrie isn't going anywhere for another year IMO (unless a third team gets involved and Westbrook ends up there)

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108. "Windy saying Indy could make their play for Ayton, today...."
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once their bookkeeping from the Brogdon deal is buttoned up. They would be able to hit him with that max offer sheet.

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109. "Ayton and Myles Turner?"
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110. "he said the thought is Myles would be out of there...."
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either as part of the Ayton deal or sent somewhere else as the Pacers look at a young three of Ayton, Haliburton and Mathurin.

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111. "They've been looking to deal Myles for forever, lol."
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I think there's a world in which Myles, in an Ayton-sized role, is just as good as Ayton, tbh. So I've never been sure why Indiana's been so hellbent on getting Turner out of there, but they've been doing the "we want to trade him but we want a small fortune for you to take him from us" thing for a couple years now.

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112. "Yuck"
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Suns will regret that move. Unless they also get Isaiah Jackson, then good riddance.

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113. "NBA streets saying Donovan Mitchell is available"
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114. "Why not?"
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That Rudy haul fucked the game up for the potential KD trades, so might as well float it out there to see who wants a #2 type guy

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116. "streets? windhorst went viral for it. did we forget already."
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121. "Not at all, his rant on Utah was epic…"
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I meant, rival teams saying that the Jazz themselves have put it in the air.

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115. "fagency been more bark than bite"
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lotta talk but at the end of the day 2 all stars changed teams (Gobert and Murray) lotta guys reupped for big money, and the biggest fagent signing was brunson?

The meat of fagency to me is all star level guys having multiple teams woo them and the domino effect as agreements are made. We haven't really had that this year.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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117. "True, but the Nets drama has made up for it"
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And it feels like there’s another wild trade or two on the way.

  

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119. "i guess. kyrie was expected...durant trade demand wasn't"
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but not much has transpired since then but opinions and speculation.

I don't think either Ky or Durant gets moved before the season but we'll see.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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118. "The consensus is that the Gobert trade fucked everything up"
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Once the Wolves showed they were willing to give up four draft picks for Gobert, the Nets started asking for a lot richer deal for KD. Add to that the Simmons/Rookie Max issue, it makes it a lot more difficult to get a deal done.

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120. "i guess. nets demand shoulda been exorbitant anyway"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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122. "Agreed. It’s an unprecedented situation."
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He’s a top 2-3 player with 4 years left on his contract and the market just decided that Gobert is worth 1,000 picks. They have all the time in the world to wait for a team to get desperate enough to give them the world. In the meantime, it’s still an extremely talented roster. If they stay healthy and start the year on a good run, maybe cooler heads prevail and they can actually win the whole thing.

  

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128. "It's also effecting any other "superstar" trade moving forward"
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If Gobert gets your four picks and pieces, it's going to effect potential deal for Dnonvan Mitchell. They're already talking about how the Knicks have all these picks that they can give up for Mitchell if they want to make the deal.

With KD, I get it, because he's KD. The Nets don't **have** to trade him, and they certainly can ask for the world if Gobert has now set the market. But it's a trip to think that three seasons ago, the Nets technically did get him for D-Lo and one first round draft pick.

Regardless, this off-season was supposed to be boring anyway. KD asking for a trade changed that, but I really doubt anything will happen now.

Oh, and this is going to lead to the players getting slaughtered during the next CBA negotiations.

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123. "Sean Marks proposed the following trade for KD"
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Brooklyn: Donovan Mitchell, Mikel Bridges, and Myles Turner

Suns: KD

Pacers: Ayton

Jazz: Ben Simmons, Cam, 5 first rounders, swap picks

I think everyone would win in that situation.

Can you imagine Brooklyn starting Claxton and Turner side by
side? That would be some serious trees in the paint, and Claxton
is just going to continue to evolve. He got all the minutes in crunch
time over Drummond.

Kyrie/Mitchell/Bridges/Turner/Claxton....

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125. "And where is this coming from?"
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Because a) I doubt that'd be public knowledge and b) that's an absolute nightmare of a deal to get done.

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126. "In addition"
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I've heard more than once that Simmons can't be moved. If I'm wrong about that aspect of this proposed trade, I would love to be corrected.

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129. "Ben can be traded..."
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the hangup for the Nets is that Ben is a designated rookie and a team can't have more than one of them on their roster. So, for the Nets to be able receive another one of those guys back in a KD deal, they would also have to send Ben somewhere.

Here is a list of the guys who fit the designation:
Trae Young, Jayson Tatum, Ben Simmons, Luka Doncic, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr., Andrew Wiggins, Bam Adebayo, Karl–Anthony Towns, Shai Gilgeous–Alexander, Joel Embiid, Devin Booker, De’Aaron Fox, and Donovan Mitchell.

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139. "My understanding is they can't *trade* for more than one. "
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>the hangup for the Nets is that Ben is a designated rookie
>and a team can't have more than one of them on their roster.

I.e, if they drafted him or were the team that signed him to that deal, they could still trade for another. This is why nobody cites Bam's presence in the speculation that Spyda could land in Miami, but it's an issue for the Nets with KD.

I could be wrong about some of the nuance there, but that's the way I understand it.

>So, for the Nets to be able receive another one of those guys
>back in a KD deal, they would also have to send Ben somewhere.
>
>
>Here is a list of the guys who fit the designation:
>Trae Young, Jayson Tatum, Ben Simmons, Luka Doncic, Jamal
>Murray, Michael Porter Jr., Andrew Wiggins, Bam Adebayo,
>Karl–Anthony Towns, Shai Gilgeous–Alexander, Joel Embiid,
>Devin Booker, De’Aaron Fox, and Donovan Mitchell.

Ostensibly, this is doing what it's intended to do- make it harder for big market teams to build a team full of guys like that.

But it's also killing their ability to pivot when a situation goes bad. Ben's presence is making it significantly harder for the Nets to get a deal that they like, and for other teams to give them such a deal.

Nets should probably focus on testing the market for Ben, trying to get a running mate for KD that could entice him to stick around.

So they should be calling Utah to see if they'd take Ben for Spyda

  

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143. "you're dead on, homey..."
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good lookin:

A deal for K.D. would almost certainly have to involve sending star big man Bam Adebayo to the Nets. However, due to the Designated Rookie rule, teams cannot trade for a player on a Designated Rookie deal while already rostering a player they acquired on such contracts.

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127. "“Sean Marks Proposed”"
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130. "It was on today’s segment of NBA today"
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I meant to type Bobby Marks, and not Sean Marks. He proposed it
as an ideal trade.

https://youtu.be/xvDNoUpSxNI

And Ben Simmons can be traded, as long as it’s to a team that doesn’t have
a player who is on a rookie extension if I’m not mistaken.

A team can’t have two players who are on extended rookie deals.

All 4 teams are looking to make moves, so it would make sense for them
to work out a 4 team deal so that all parties can get what they want.

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131. "Well that changes the context quite a bit."
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132. "lol"
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134. "Lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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133. "pat bev to lakers?"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXjbYZkUUAAf3Q-?format=jpg&name=medium

  

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135. "kyrie reportedly wants to stay in brooklyn."
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https://nypost.com/2022/07/12/kyrie-irving-wants-to-be-a-net-with-or-without-kevin-durant/

  

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136. "Shams: Knicks and Jazz talking about it…"
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1547425333430743040?s=20&t=7IN9F5qljxkzisZOl-uFJA

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137. "Nets or Knicks make the most sense."
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Mitchell is a New York head, and his father works in the Mets’ FO, so
getting traded to either team would be a win for him.

However, what would Brunson’s perception be of the trade?
One of the main reasons he left Dallas was so he could be “
the guy”. He would instantly become the second option if the
Knicks were to trade for Mitchell.

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138. "Nets for who?"
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140. "This is a hypothetical but the most realistic one"
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https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/bobby-marks-dtrade-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-ben-simmons-espn-01g7wjjt2j6z

The main problem with it is there are two teams who have to be "OK" helping other teams knowing they arent the big winners and maybe seeing themselves with a slight upgrade in talent and/or value.

Link to image of the deal


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141. "Not enough draft capital for BK"
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Can't see this coming close to happening.

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146. "The picks would come from another team in a 4 team trade"
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They broke it down how it would work on NBA today....but it’s
moot now, because Ayton is no longer available to be traded
this year.

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142. "Ben simmons and KD? lmao no."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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144. "Ayton agrees to 4/133 offer sheet with Indy...Suns have 48 hours to matc..."
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145. "Woj: Ayton signs 4-year, $133 million offer sheet with Pacers"
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1547656439832801282

Suns have 48 hours to match.

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147. "Well, there goes the Suns’ chance to get Durant. "
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If they do match that crazy ass offer sheet, they still wouldn’t be able
to trade Ayton until next year.

That is the biggest offer sheet in NBA history, and all for Ayton.
The pacers are smoking serious crack. I don’t get it. I rank Sabonis
way higher than Ayton as a 7 footer, and they traded him. Dude is a 2-time
allStar, and they didn’t want him. But they offer Ayton the richest offer
sheet in NBA history?

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150. "Eh... they got Halliburton for Sabonis"
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so pairing him with with Ayton could yield dividends.

I expect DA to get more touches and opportunities to excel there. He wasn't much of a priority in Phoenix.

  

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153. "Haliburton isn’t an allStar. Sabonis is. "
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And he is a double/double machine, and a triple double threat. I like Haliburton,
and he might turn into a great player, but currently Sabonis is the better
player and the better player to build around....and it’s not as if they had to
blow it all up because they had too many old players. Sabonis is 26.

Ayton/Haliburton/Hield,etc don’t even spell PO....based on the
competition in the east. They are now a team full of 2nd and third
option players.

Fox/Sabonis/Keegan are going to be the better trio, and have
more success.

Indiana’s moves don’t make them any different than what they were,
and they might even be worse.

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148. "What's the most the Suns could have offered him?"
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I'm assuming it would have been a five year deal, so in that regard, I'm assuming the Suns would be saving some money if they matched the deal.

Given how badly Sarver as been reported to have been treating Ayton, I'm assuming he's as good as gone, but I'm curious how much money the Suns would be saving.

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152. "I believe this season it's 5 years, close to $193 million"
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Morant, Williamson, and Garland all signed extensions for that amount. And all three can end up with $231 million if they meet the "Rose Rule criteria."

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149. "This “richest offer sheet in NBA history” spin is dumb"
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Like sure - yes, it’s true.

But it reads like it’s the biggest contract ever which it is not. And it’s also just a product of the time we’re in. We haven’t seen a sheet like that because most dudes to get a max offer sign an extension rather than being an RFA signing with another team.

It’s just disingenuous.

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151. "truth. that being said i hope I get to find out what having 50 M's* is l..."
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*taxes/fees are a muhfucka.

  

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154. "Shams reporting that the Suns are matching the offer"
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155. "I think it’s cool they’re gonna try to keep it together "
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And that’s kind of slick letting someone else match set the price , I wonder if they did that intentionally or if they’re just flying by the seat of their pants in Phoenix

  

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156. "Naw that wasn’t intentional. That offer caught them off guard."
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They were trying to use Ayton as a trade piece to get Durant.
Now they can’t even do that, and Ayton can veto any trade
for up to one year. So even if they want to do a sign and trade
deal next January, they will need Ayton’s approval.

And even though Indiana really wanted Ayton, they knew the Suns
were going to match that offer...But they didn’t want Brooklyn to get him either
and blocked any trade possibilities for Ayton.

Suns had to match or they would have run into cap issues, plus not
get anything in return for letting Ayton walk.








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157. "Brooklyn didn't want Ayton"
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158. "i guess he meant in a 3 way deal but i didn't see that happening either"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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159. "westbrook vs his agent."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXwUFikUEAAAnLo?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1548140794296487936

agent tryna dictate his clients future against the wishes of his client?


rich paul:
https://twitter.com/RichPaul4/status/1548146298133458948

lebron:
https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/1548163930614247424

  

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160. "Thats a weird ass statement for the agent to put out "
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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161. "The agent is obviously right, of course."
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If Russ thinks he can get a buyout from the Lakers and a new contract from another team that will come *close* to the amount of money he'll get for staying with the Lakers this year and entering free agency, he's transparently wrong. Not only does staying give him the full amount of money left on the last big contract he'll ever receive, but it also gives him a chance to show other teams that last year was a fluke, that this year he can make it work-- and if he can show he's got any sort of gas left in the tank and can play within a team construct, he can get a decent vet deal in free agency next year.

And agents and clients split all the time because they disagree on what the client's best moves for the future should be. They don't usually go public on *why* they split, obviously, lol.

But I don't think the agent was saying anything that the whole world doesn't already know. Russ seeking a buyout would likely cost him eight figures of money. He's just saying the quiet part out loud.

Now, what the agent's endgame is by doing that is anybody's guess, lol. Maybe it's a Hail Mary effort to convince Russ to listen to reason, even with a different agent. Maybe it's some misguided desire to cover his own ass-- although I don't think if Russ split with his agent and then sought a buyout with a new one that it'd be any sort of mystery to people why they split, and everyone would know the agent was in the right. So no clue about any of that. That's all pretty damn unusual, obviously.

But yeah, the content of what he's saying is dead on. Russ is delusional if that's the path he's seeking.

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162. "Maybe it’s not all about the money, and it’s more "
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about fit and focal point at this point in his career. He has generational wealth,
and may not necessarily be looking to sign a big contract once he becomes a FA.
He is never going to have that huge value again anyway due to his age
and diminishing skillset.

Of course his former agent is going to focus on the money aspect, because he got a percentage of every deal he brokered for Westbrook.
Russ wants to put up stats, and get his triple/doubles, and by playing with Lebron
and Anthony Davis, he will not get the necessary touches to generate his stats.

He should have stayed in Washington. He was putting up stats. He was entertaining,
and he worked well Beal....and Washington flirted with making the POs ( or did they
make the POs that season?...can’t recall).





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163. "You just made the exact same point as the agent."
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>it's more about fit and focal point at this point in his career.

>He is never going to have that huge value again anyway due to
>his age
>and diminishing skillset.

No team in the NBA is interested in making Russ the focal point of their offense in 2022. For the exact reasons you just stated. And in order to prove he can fit in a team construct, it strongly behooves Westbrook to collect his full paycheck this year while simultaneously attempting to show that last year was the exception, not the rule. Last year, he was so bad at fitting in with others that no team will believe he can fit alongside their existing talent.

The best case scenario for him outside of the Lakers would be *maybe* a team would use the MLE and take a flier on him. But between that and the enormous amount of money he'd have to trim from his current deal to get out of the Lakers, he'd be losing eight figures of money to go play for a bad team for a 1-year deal in a situation where the team may just choose not to play him. It's a recipe to straight up being out of the league in like 2 years time.

There's no path back to relevance on a team that isn't the Lakers. If he can play more efficient team ball this year, he can probably get a decent 2ish-year deal in free agency next year from a team interested in what he brings to the table. He'll likely never really be a star again, but that's okay-- he'll still be in the league, on the court. But right now, no team thinks he has true on-court worth. The only team interested in him-- Brooklyn-- is primarily interested in him solely as a chip to clear cap space. If he wants to have on-court worth, he has to prove it this year. And, yes, he can cash the last big paycheck of his life as he does it.

>Russ wants to put up stats, and get his triple/doubles, and by
>playing with Lebron
>and Anthony Davis, he will not get the necessary touches to
>generate his stats.

This is transparently untrue, as Westbrook was top 30 in the NBA in usage last year. His usage was, in fact, the same exact usage as Dejounte Murray's, who put up 21/8/9. So Westbrook absolutely had the opportunity to put up stats last year. It's just hard to put up stats when your shot isn't falling and when you keep turning the ball over.

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164. "That’s because AD was injured for most of the season."
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Westbrook’s usage rate dropped when all three were on the
floor for an entire game. He wasn’t getting the same amount of touches
and was the third option.....

Russ stats last season were:

18/7/7, and his FGA went from 19 to 15. It was a huge drop across
the board.

Russ still wants to be the primary ball handler.
He is no good working without the ball and nor does he
like to. He didn’t like his role in Vogel’s scheme or offense.

If AD is healthy, plus Lebron, and now Bryant, who
is a huge offensive center, Westbrook might turn into the 4th option....

I can’t see him accepting that.

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165. "... but that doesn't address the point at hand."
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>Russ stats last season were:
>
>18/7/7, and his FGA went from 19 to 15. It was a huge drop
>across
>the board.

And yet he still was used the same percentage of possessions as the Spurs used Dejounte Murray-- used at a Top 30 rate in the NBA-- and saw that drop in numbers.

That shows the amount of time he's getting the ball isn't the problem. It's his increasing inaccuracy and poor decision making.

>Russ still wants to be the primary ball handler.
> He is no good working without the ball and nor does he
>like to. He didn’t like his role in Vogel’s scheme or
>offense.

There is no team in the NBA who will give Westbrook Top 20 in the NBA usage rate, though. Those days are behind him. Again, the crux of the disagreement between Westbrook and his agent is that Westbrook thinks, if he sacrifices a good chunk of his current contract, there are greener pastures elsewhere. And his agent made it pretty clear in his statement that there are not.

>If AD is healthy, plus Lebron, and now Bryant, who
>is a huge offensive center, Westbrook might turn into the 4th
>option....
>
>I can’t see him accepting that.

Thomas Bryant, even in his best season, hasn't sniffed the usage rate that Westbrook even had last year. I don't think that's on Westbrook's mind at all. Bryant's also played a combined 83 games in 3 seasons.

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166. "Thomas Bryant will get touches. Ham worked in Milwaukee "
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where Portis and Lopez got touches, and Bryant is a similar big
with a nice offensive game ( inside and out)

Plus he is only 24 so his usage is going to go up on GP... by him being young and
and skilled.......that’s if he can stay healthy.

Russ could easily turn into a 4th option, and I think he knows
that.

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168. "does Lebron think he's cool"
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dude's just always acting like a herb

*insert cold face emoji*

these guys are dorks and the agent is right

  

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167. "more like agent getting out before Russ blames him"
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its not the agent's fault nobody wants him, but Russ is gonna be the last one to figure that out

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169. "I dont know all the ins and outs"
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But on my first read I appreciated the statement. As longo says, Russ is the last to figure out his value...but its because hes a star athlete with an ego who really believes he can still carry a team. Almost nobody else in the world believes that at this point.

Taking the trade and buyout route pushes his legacy down. There is probably no path to a winning championship team there. The Lakers are his best path to that ring and bumping up his legacy.

At this point, why drop more of your legacy in the trash? Either stay on the Lakers or just retire.

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170. "I dont know all the ins and outs"
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But on my first read I appreciated the statement. As longo says, Russ is the last to figure out his value...but its because hes a star athlete with an ego who really believes he can still carry a team. Almost nobody else in the world believes that at this point.

Taking the trade and buyout route pushes his legacy down. There is probably no path to a winning championship team there. The Lakers are his best path to that ring and bumping up his legacy.

At this point, why drop more of your legacy in the trash? Either stay on the Lakers or just retire.

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171. "I disagree with that sentiment…"
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>At this point, why drop more of your legacy in the trash?
>Either stay on the Lakers or just retire.

There’s a ton of all-time greats and hof’ers who don’t go out on top, most didn’t. People forget about that and remember their good years

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"Yeah, no one talks about Barkley when he was on the Houston"


          

Rockets, or Ewing when he played for Seattle, or Iverson when he played
for the Pistons.

Everyone knows these are his twilight years

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172. "Yeah, no one talks about Barkley when he was on the Houston"
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Rockets, or Ewing when he played for Seattle, or Iverson when he played
for the Pistons.

Everyone knows these are his twilight years

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173. "I mean..."
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I think it's mostly because those other players knew they were on their way out.

Russ still thinks he's an all star level talent.

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174. "Usually at this stage in a career , when the athleticism wanes .."
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..most players rely on their basketball iq and jump shooting abilities

something that he is completely devoid of

His fall might be worse than iversons


>I think it's mostly because those other players knew they
>were on their way out.
>
>Russ still thinks he's an all star level talent.

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175. "honestly i think it already is."
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>His fall might be worse than iversons

even when iverson was clearly diminished, refusing to come off the bench, etc...i dont remember him being heckled and hated by his own teams fanbase lol.

  

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182. "i do"
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>i dont remember him being heckled and hated
>by his own teams fanbase lol.

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176. "do the lakers want russ?"
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the confusing thing to me about the statement is...it feels like russ wanting out is *him* going against the grain.

but thats not the case in reality right? wouldnt he be doing what the lakers want him to do by accepting a trade?

russ sticking around on a team that doesnt want him and possibly continuing to be the scapegoat when they underperform...is that really good for his legacy?

why would he want a repeat of last season? that shit was clearly traumatic for him.

  

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177. "https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1549153578563956736?s=20&t=gHDtV..."
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1549153578563956736?s=20&t=gHDtVUXE5-Civ7RKU5rQCw

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178. "I'm sure Lebron hasn't expressed his interest in Kyrie to anyone at all"
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179. "The talk of Russ falling off is a bit exaggerated to me."
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he avg 18 7 and 7 last year in 78 games (when no one else in a laker jersey could stay healthy)

Ever since Durant left, he's never really meshed great with anyone...and when he was the sole star in OKC he did whatever he wanted.

I don't think his style of play is conducive to winning basketball...your best bet is to put a bunch of 3 and D guys around him and let him cook to a 1st round exit. I just think that's just who he is even when he was at his peak.

I think he's still a lesser version of that guy, but now with confidence issues. But i think he'd still cook in a circumstance that he is allowed to play his game.

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183. "if he's still good, but can play with no one, what's the difference?"
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184. "people are acting like he fell off a cliff"
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he didn't. I think he can still be a 20+ and 8, 8 guy if he's able to dominate the ball like he has for most of his career.

It just won't translate to championship level winning...like most of his career.

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185. "TO THE STATMOBILE!"
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Forget the counting stats: he still had a Top 30 usage rate in the NBA, so of course those will still be high. Let's look at the others from 2022:

Assist rate: the worst since his rookie season. This is the sharpest decline, because he *led the NBA* in assist rate in 2021 (and in 2017 through 2019).

Turnover rate: higher in 2021, but these last two seasons have been his most turnover-prone since his rookie year.

So again, to look at 2021 vs. 2022...

2021: AST%: 48.6. TO%: 18.
2022: AST%: 31.6. TO%: 17.3.

That... is an absolute fall off a cliff. Call it an anomaly if you want...

... but when you combine it with the fact that three of his last four seasons have contained Russ's worst true shooting percentages since his first two years in the NBA? And in four of his last five seasons, he's posting the worst FT rates of his career?

So he's shooting worse. He's getting to the line less. He's more turnover prone than ever. He passed the ball even less than he did in Houston last year. He posted the second lowest offensive rebounding rate of his career.

Like... what value does he contribute? Especially as he's turning 34?

On top of that, the advanced metrics are deadly for last season:

PER: the worst in his career

Win shares: the worst in his career

Win shares per 40: the worst in his career

Plus-minus: the worst in his career

Value Over Replacement Player: the worst in his career

And of the top nine minute-earning Lakers last season, Russ easily posted the worst On/Off splits. The team was better with Carmelo on the court than Russ.

In fact, look at Russ's On/Off splits the last seven seasons:
2016: +12.6
2017: :12.5
2018: +12
2019: +5
2020: -.5
2021: +1.2
2022: -3.6

He's had a Hall of Fame career... but what team wants to give a Top 30 sort of usage rate (like the Lakers did last year) to a player on this trajectory? He's very clearly, in a best case scenario, only a marginally winning player right now-- forget championship level, I mean on *any* level. If his assist rate isn't one of the best in the league, he's a net negative for your team due to his shooting and his turnovers.

I was certainly hopeful going into the Lakers season that the assist rate would stay high and he could help contribute to winning, but unless a team thinks he can be *that* guy still? I wouldn't pay him anything more than an MLE contract. Odds are just too high that, at this point in his career, he actively contributes to losing basketball.

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187. "those numbers are fucking false frank and i'm gonna tell you why"
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nah kidding....the numbers there don't lie lol

I do think him being in a situation where he never figured out his role are more the reason for last year's decline, not his lack of abilities

that being said, i can't find a fit for him that equates to winning.

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180. "JaMychal Green signing with Golden State after buyout with the Thunder"
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186. "For some reason I think of "Colin Sexton" as "Speedy Claxton""
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I was just about to ask why nobody wants him, but wrote Speedy Claxton instead

Then I realized, every time he comes up, I think "Speedy Claxton" for some reason. Pretty sure it's just the similar syntax of the two last names, but I feel like if I met him in person, I'd wind up calling him Speedy Claxton.

  

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188. "Wiggins says his only regret is getting the vaccine"
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In the abstract I get it, this “my body” thing…especially for athletes that take way more care of the thing than my whiskey-slurpin’ ass, but still…paired with listing off all his accomplishments last year, it’s almost Onion-like the way he couldn’t help but bring it all back to peer pressure.

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189. "He stated, "I didn't like that it wasn't my choice""
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He's absolutely justified in that sentiment. It was horrible policy to tie careers and economic opportunity to a vaccine that proved to be too leaky to halt transmission - as it turned out - didn't provide substantial enough of a community benefit to justify its mandate.

There was no logical reason to force Wiggins to get vaccinated with the penalty being that he doesn't get to further his career. Horrible policy based on a false premise (the promise that getting vaccinated would stop transmission).

Note: I got vaccinated and don't regret it (and Wiggins had a standout season so it's not like the vaccine affected him physically) - but this vaccine should've never been something that was mandated via coercion like this.

If we had a better vaccine product that actually achieved what it was purported to achieve - then perhaps - but that clearly wasn't the case here.
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190. "I guess..."
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Without ranting (nevermind, I ranted), I feel like people who had the luxury of working from home or resting on their savings until we handbraked into 2021 have a very different perspective on public life than those of who didn't...


And the vaccine played a VERY obvious role in even allowing that renegade drift we attempted (and, arguably, kinda sorta maybe failed mostly sometimes usually) to happen and daily life to wear a mask that looked like normal. And I don't think it's unwise to be skeptical of anyone who thinks if 60-70% of the adult population HADN'T taken that vaccine that even this silly "other than all the COVID out there, that pandemic sure was weird, huh?" moment we're in now would be happening.


The conversation as a whole is so fractured now that we can come at it a million different ways - I'm pro-vax, never found time for a booster, almost never masking, and if I'd never met me I might call myself an idiot - but anti-vax will always be a really stunted position to me. Wiggins is, like, Case A-Z for why. He performed as exceptionally or better as a professional athlete than he ever has in his life and his only side effect appears to be wondering if he'd felt better about his life this past year if he'd gone had to go through much of the same ringer that Kyrie went through?


It's silly, and even ignoring all that, TL;DR: he works for a private company, one of less than 500 or 600 people with the combination of skills and physical gifts to do so. If that company sets community health standard that he doesn't like, I GET the slippery slope avalanche you can tumble down towards HIV/AIDS in the '80s/90s and all that. But the moment COVID wasn't a mystery, and that moment came well before this season started, you're not proving anything to anyone if you chime in with "but people are still getting sick."


Because people aren't dying. And the vaccine definitely, without question is to thank for that. So until Wiggins goes blind or his toes fall off and it's linked back to his decision to take the vaccine, it's a ridiculous statement, sorry.


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191. "I think this is an instance where it's important to rally behind a princ..."
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In this case - a unifying principle of bodily autonomy. Either we really believe in "my body, my choice" or we don't, right? I don't think we can pick and choose where we want to acknowledge this basic human right (which in my view should be seen as a universal right). Particularly in this charged time where women's reproductive rights are under assault, we're seeing the consequences of our inability to think beyond our own personal preferences in favor of a larger rubric of human rights.

That said, I agree with a lot of what you say (particularly the point about not everyone having the luxury to be in the laptop/work-from-home professional class). I get in arguments with vaccine-skeptics/anti-vaxx friends of mine all the time about this - whereby they fail to acknowledge that in many parts of the world (particularly the global south) - people in the day-to-day economy don't have the luxury to stay home and have been desperate to get access to efficacious vaccines (as sinovac is not nearly as effective as pfizer, for example).

Also, as you note, the vaccines have clearly saved lives and provided a protective benefit. However, they were promised to halt transmission and that was the logic used to justify the mandates. Once they proved to not be sterilizing, the mandates should've been lifted -- because at that point it's an individual/personal benefit and not really a community benefit.

I got the vaccine because I was told (wrongly) that I would not catch the virus and spread it to more vulnerable people. So I took it more for a community benefit than an individual/personal benefit (as all the data demonstrated that I was in a *very* low-risk category should I catch it naturally). But I also was subjected to mandates for my work (international travel) - so I really had no choice either.

So I agree with Wiggins with regards to his disdain for it not being his choice even if I disagree with his fear of the vaccines. And I don't believe it's truly a choice if the consequence of not getting vaccinated is losing your livelihood. That's coercion, not choice.




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192. "Oh we absolutely can, do, and should pick and choose "
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And conflating this with a women’s right to*not* have to be a veritable blood bag for another entity makes this disingenuous in it’s face.

Because if a woman being pregnant meant that she could potentially get everyone around them pregnant- men, women and children included- by simply being around them, then they’d absolutely be faced with the options of quarantine or an abortion, if they wanted to participate in society.

“My body my choice” doesn’t apply when your body can more or less assault mine by simply being around you.

I have a funeral to attend so i don’t have time to address the specifics of the covid vaccines that you listed, so i’ll have to circle back to that later.

But co-opting “MBMC” for vaccine mandates is a bad argument.

  

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193. "Should we do away with the vaxx series for newborns "
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Until they’re old enough to choose to be vaccinated?
My body my choice = hello again small pox.

+1, Wiggins is from Canada
Along with impacting the best year of his professional career
He also wouldn’t be allowed back in his home country without being vaxxed.
SMH

Vex also co-signed Kyrie’s nonsense
The removal of mandates
and surprise surprise, cases and deaths are on the rise.

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200. "Parents obviously have authority to make decisions for them"
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>Until they’re old enough to choose to be vaccinated?
>My body my choice = hello again small pox.

Nobody's arguing against small pox vaccines lol. I'm a proponent of vaccines and have taken many vaccines myself, voluntarily. That doesn't mean I think people should be forced to take them *unless* there's a substantial community benefit.

There's a significant difference between a sterilizing vaccine that almost entirely prevents infection and the covid-19 vaccines which aren't effective at halting infection (but are effective at mitigating damage one infected).

The former has clear community benefit; the latter does not.

>Vex also co-signed Kyrie’s nonsense
>The removal of mandates
>and surprise surprise, cases and deaths are on the rise.

If by "nonsense" you mean I stated that the NY mandate affecting Kyrie was nonsensical -- you're right. I cosigned that sentiment by Adam Silver and many others.

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202. "By nonsense I mean these fun with words dissertations you post"
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In an attempt to make dumb $hit sound smart

Mitigating the effects of COVID has community benefit
You contradicted yourself there

As I pointed out in the Silver thread at the time... removing the mandates will cost lives and increase transmission
Which happened almost immediately
Surprise, summer 2022 spike

Really what I want to ask you
What's the answer?
How do we get out of this?
Nitwits refusing the vaxx or protective measures
Halfwits like yourself rationalizing bull$hit
... what brings an end to the pandemic...
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206. "Relax. It's just a conversation. "
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>As I pointed out in the Silver thread at the time... removing
>the mandates will cost lives and increase transmission
>Which happened almost immediately
>Surprise, summer 2022 spike

Mandates have been lifted for a while - and cases were dropping - and then a new wave rises again. Mandates do help (and I'm in favor of mask mandates on planes/public spaces when cases are roaring) - but the notion that we'll be able to mandate or vaccinate our way out of this has been proven flatly wrong. Doesn't mean you can't institute mandates (some states do it; others don't) and in the Silver thread I also advocated for relaxing/enforcing restrictions to address the ever-evolving state of the pandemic.

>Really what I want to ask you
>What's the answer?
>How do we get out of this?
>Nitwits refusing the vaxx or protective measures
>Halfwits like yourself rationalizing bull$hit
>... what brings an end to the pandemic...

We can all only strive to be as Fullwitted as you my guy. You set such a high standard.

But to answer your question: I think the doctors and scientists who advocated for Focused Protection to protect the most vulnerable got it right - and that needs to be deployed globally. The focus should be on preventing severity and death, not zero-covid policy to try and halt all transmission (which will never happen with these current vaccine products). The failure of leadership to not waive patent rights in a pandemic (particularly when pharma giants are flush with cash and getting subsidized at that) to where only a few nations had adequate supplies of efficacious vaccines was a disaster. Without global access and vaccine equity, there was never a chance at mitigating death worldwide.

I also agree WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus who stated that "we can't boost our way out of the pandemic" by continuing to boost younger, healthy people while more vulnerable populations the world over are still waiting for their first or second dose of a vaccine that actually has some efficacy.

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209. "So... vaccines and preventative measures...? Got it b/w bye"
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208. "dude has been inching closer and closer to showing his right wing self"
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Has pretty much torn the mask (hood?) off at this point.


He definitely has a point that the vaccine was over-sold in how effective it would be...and this continues to be a huge problem.

But I doubt he takes that to the obvious conclusion- that we need better mandated vaccines, better treatments, etc.


But to say the current vaccines don't have community benefit is being willfully ignorant. Less illness means less spread, less people in ICUs, less dead bodies, less delayed surgeries, fewer healthcare workers walking off the job, etc.

Or other community impact...like sick pilots leading to flight cancellations, etc.

Of course the community benefits of these vaccines are essentially countless and to say otherwise because they don't 100% stop spread we shouldn't mandate them because of bodily autonomy is basically a Fox news talking point.

It isn't hard to make the nuanced point of "these vaccines alone are not the answer and not what they were sold as...but it is a good start and everyone should get it"


But again Vex- our very own Okplayer Joe Rogan fake-deep fake-critical fake-left fake- everything is the guy who was sounding very Trumpish when COVID first dropped...didn't think athletes needed to be careful so that he could continue to be entertained.



  

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213. "lol this is why I love coming back to OKP"
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214. "Actually, thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten"
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I’m just going to leave it that. My patience for brick wall ignorance on this subject is thin.

  

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198. "Again, I'm talking about the recognized human right of bodily integrity"
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Under many recognized international human rights doctrines, bodily integrity is defined as:

"...the inviolability of the physical body and emphasizes the importance of personal autonomy, self-ownership, and self-determination of human beings over their own bodies."

Both reproductive decisions and health-care decisions (including abortion and medical decisions) fall within this rubric if it means you are being forced (by a government) to do something to/with your body that you don't consent to.

The analogy of reproductive autonomy to medical autonomy is indeed imperfect (there is no perfect analogy) - but the overarching principle remains the same *if* you believe that bodily integrity is a human right.

But of course - not everyone buys into that. Some believe that public health considerations should usurp one's bodily integrity. That's fine, but if that's the case, perhaps we should consider not using terms/slogans like "bodily autonomy" or MBMC to support our arguments if we are going to apply it piecemeal.


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194. "Nah, we're not comparing vaccines to women's rights."
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>In this case - a unifying principle of bodily autonomy.
>Either we really believe in "my body, my choice" or we don't,
>right? I don't think we can pick and choose where we want to
>acknowledge this basic human right (which in my view should be
>seen as a universal right). Particularly in this charged time
>where women's reproductive rights are under assault, we're
>seeing the consequences of our inability to think beyond our
>own personal preferences in favor of a larger rubric of human
>rights.

Vaccines affect public health. Women's reproductive rights affect exclusively individual health. They are not remotely the same.

No vaccine is 100% effective in preventing spread. They're never advertised that way by any credible scientist or doctor, and they never will be. But they make infection and spread less likely by percentages that vary based on the disease and the strain of the disease. So if you aren't vaccinated and I'm in the room with you, I'm more likely to catch the disease than if I'm in the room with a vaccinated person. Sometimes way more likely, sometimes marginally likely. But more likely all the same. That's the purpose of vaccine mandates-- not to completely protect the vaccinated, but to make it less likely they catch the disease. You can feel whatever you'd like about the morality or the efficacy of vaccine mandates, but that's unmistakably their intention and design.

But if I'm in the room with a woman who had an abortion vs. a woman who didn't have an abortion? There's zero effect on me whatsoever. The medicines and procedures at a Planned Parenthood are designed to affect the individual. Vaccines are designed to affect the individual and the public.

So yeah, we're not going to compare the struggles of those who choose to go unvaccinated to the struggles of women who look to exercise their personal reproductive rights. One group is making individual decisions that could affect the public, and one group is making individual decisions that don't affect the public at all. If you want to defend the first group to their right to be that way, you go right ahead-- but comparing them to women seeking individual bodily autonomy is flat-out wrong.

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195. "nah, tons of credible Medical leaders and politicans said otherwise"
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>
>No vaccine is 100% effective in preventing spread. They're
>never advertised that way by any credible scientist or doctor,
>and they never will be.

I'm not getting into this any more than I am right now and don't care enough about this subject anymore, but the vaccine was -for sure- billed as what was going to stop the spread in its tracks

  

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196. "Herd immunity is what stops the spread "
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and we're talking about multiple variants now too

But...
There's only 2 options for reaching herd immunity
Immunization
or natural transmission

The 2M deaths projection in the US for 2020 would have been the result of natural transmission.

Pandemic = the world
US hoarded vaccines
As long as there are countries not able to vaccinate
We're not going to get out of this entirely

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197. "The *makers of the vaccine* didn't even say that."
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Pfizer and Moderna were upfront about the efficacy of its vaccine and the potential of breakthrough cases. So if some medical leader said "this vaccine stops infection and spread 100% of the time," then... yeah, I want a link to who said that.

There's a world of difference between politicians or spokespeople saying "the vaccine is how we can beat the virus" in an effort to encourage enough people to get vaccines that the stoppage of community spread is more likely... and someone stating that the vaccine will absolutely prevent spread in every case. The latter is unscientific.

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199. "The director of the CDC (Rochelle Walensky) said it"
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She's not just "some medical leader" - she's the Director of the organization that sets public health policy.

Here's what she said:

“Our data from the C.D.C. today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick,” she said. “And that it’s not just in the clinical trials, it’s also in real-world data.”

This was followed up by statements such as "if you get vaccinated, the virus stops with you."

So if some
>medical leader said "this vaccine stops infection and spread
>100% of the time," then... yeah, I want a link to who said
>that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccine-walensky.html



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203. "BIG F'n leap from endorsing the vaccine as a way to end the pandemic "
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to stating it's 100% effective
Can't believe we're still having these debates in year 3
SMH.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday walked back controversial comments made by its director, Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, suggesting that people who are vaccinated against the coronavirus never become infected or transmit the virus to others.

Did you read the article?

In a television interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, Dr. Walensky referred to data published by the C.D.C. showing that one dose of the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 80 percent effective at preventing infection, and two doses were 90 percent effective.

80%, 90% =/= 100%

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207. "Frank's claim was that "no credible medical leader" ever made the claim"
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that the vaccine stops all infection/spread. The claim was made - and it was used as justification to implement public health policy.


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201. "Then why are you comparing them?"
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>Vaccines affect public health. Women's reproductive rights
>affect exclusively individual health. They are not remotely
>the same.

You just made a comparison between the two. And I never claimed that they are remotely the same. They are vastly different. However, they both raise issues around bodily integrity.

It's interesting though - because all of these pro-life activists that want to take away a woman's right to bodily integrity use the same logic that you're using: that a woman becoming pregnant isn't just about her; it's also about the other "person" as well (see: fetus/coalescence of cells). Similarly, those in favor of forced vaccination say it's not just about the individual, but about others around them. In each case you're removing the primary right of the individual for the perceived secondary right of another.

>No vaccine is 100% effective in preventing spread. They're
>never advertised that way by any credible scientist or doctor,
>and they never will be.

I disagree. Some of our most incredible vaccine marvels are advertised exactly in that way - and rightfully so. We have some vaccines that are pretty damn near 100% effective in preventing not just spread, but infection. For example, small pox vaccine is consistently >95% effective in halting all infection and even provides lifetime immunity in essentially all vaccine recipients.

MMR vaccine schedule is >97% effective against measles and rubella. There is clinical efficacy of virtually 100% for tetanus and 97% for diphtheria.

It absolutely is the case that there are vaccines that are ~100% effective in preventing infection and spread, and credible doctors and scientists tout that accordingly -- as they should.




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204. "lol "
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>And I never
>claimed that they are remotely the same.

>In
>each case you're removing the primary right of the individual
>for the perceived secondary right of another.

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205. "lol yea I'd prob bow out too if I made some of those claims"
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do it to myself lol

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215. "/thread. There’s no further discussion to be had."
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really should be in it's own thread rather than one that was supposed to be for NBA Free Agency.

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Supposedly reaching out back door to bring Durant back. Warriors might prefer Durant’s weird (and skill obviously) to Wiggins’ weird.

Oh well.


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218. "celtics offered a jaylen brown package for durant."
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https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1551527342262075392

jayson tatum was off limits.

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219. "damn, gonna be awkward now that BKN said no..."
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and they gotta run it back. Jaylen seems like a real prideful dude, who might take offense.

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220. "It’s a move Boston has to explore— in part for money reasons."
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Brown isn’t going to accept an extension on his current deal. He wants it to run out so he can get a big-ass max deal. So the Celtics only really have team control over him for two more years. If you can find a way to get Durant for a longer deal for Brown and his deal that runs out sooner? I mean, you *have* to kick the tires. There’s always the chance that Brown decides he wants his own team in two years time, and a healthy Durant is the best offensive player on Earth.

If Brown gets salty, then, like, fair enough… but the Celtics *have* to do due diligence there. Because of the money, and because, y’know, it’s KD. Celtics made the Finals with Tatum and Brown. Gotta think the odds improve significantly with Tatum and KD, lol.

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222. "oh, for sure....I LOVE Jaylen Brown..."
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and, If I'm Brad Stevens, I'd be helping him pack from Brooklyn. Word is, they don't want to include Marcus, at all.

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221. "offense taken."
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https://twitter.com/FCHWPO/status/1551581600973959168

  

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223. "and there it is"
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224. "Jaylen Brown appears to have responded to the news:"
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https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1551585228585582598

  

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227. "I feel like almost this exact scenario happens every off-season"
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Player 1 on Team A isn't happy and requests a trade. Team A negotiates with Team B and either requests or is offered Player 2. It doesn't work out for some reason, usually because Team B balks. The offer gets leaked to the press and it generates breathless stories about "How is Player 2 going to be able to play for Team B knowing that they thought about trading him?!?!?!?!?" It almost always turns out to be nothing. In fact, I can't remember it EVER turning into a real issue.

Despite everyone trying the interpret tweets like they're tea leaves, Brown is a professional and knows how the game works. Yeah, I can see him telling writers that he turned it into "motivation," but I seriously doubts he sulks his way through the Celtics season or demands a trade or anything else along those lines.

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225. "Highly sensitive KD and that loud mouth Boston fan base"
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sounds like a match made in heaven.

I'd love to see that trade go down just to witness Durant trying to force himself off the Celtics next postseason.

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226. "Kevin Durant is a 34 year old injury prone moody player w zero leadershi..."
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…and will never play 60 games a year at this stage. (I’d bet anyone here 100 that he gets injured next season and misses significant time)

Jaylen Brown is a damn good player but not a superstar nor a max player .

The Nets know KD diminishing asset so they’re asking for the moon and stars in exchange , meanwhile every other team realizes that he isn’t worth mortgaging your whole future for 4 more seasons of this weirdo

This might be the most interesting trade saga in decades with one team overvaluing him and the league saying nah , you can only get * good*players like Mikal bridges cam Johnson jaylon brown etc but not the superstar on each team despite KD being top 25 of all time


>https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1551527342262075392
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>jayson tatum was off limits.
>
>imagine durant going to another finals team that beat him in
>the playoffs.
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228. "God this sucks"
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Thanks for pissing off Jaylen, Brad!

  

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235. "DO IT"
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depending on how much else it costs. but KD and Tatum are even better than what people thought PG and Kawhi would be.

marcus? i love ya, i'll trade ya. same with jaylen. just don't trade picks or swaps after 2026.

RW3/Tito/Tatum/KD/Brogdon with Grant, White, Gallo as the core 8? shit. plus some vets looking to ring chase? sheeeeit.

also 100% happy to not do it and run it back because the Cs are already better than last year and were 2 wins away from a chip.


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237. "Right, it's a win-win situation."
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Your core is already good enough to make the Finals, and it's still young with upside.

Or you can cash in a couple of those pieces for a guy who was MVP-bound until he got hurt last season, and you pair him with one of the top 2 players on Earth under the age of 25.

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238. "Better off adding to JT/JB IMO "
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Unload Al’s contract plus picks, maybe Smart/white, and see what that nets them

Maybe Ainge will pay the McHale gift forward and gift them Spida for that, or get a third team involved

IMO they’re better off tweaking the bountiful, emergent youth of this roster and adding to these two, than mortgaging that on a 34 year-old and narrowing their window.

I’m not a fan of skipping steps, even if it nets a ring. Plural, sure. But long term health and sustainability come at a premium, and I’d rather see teams build for the long window than gamble on the narrow one.

That said, the fact that this is already floating around in the ether may bite them in the ass and cause a problem.

I’d be content to root for them to implode if I didn’t want JT to win.

  

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229. "Brown might be one of the most under-appreciated in the league"
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All year long he was getting killed by Boston radio (granted: boston sports fans/talk radio is narrow-minded, brutal, and inflammatory) - and fans seem to simply not appreciate what he gives you. For all the criticism, he's been a tremendous complementary player for Tatum and they have been one of the most dynamic wing tandems in the game. He also outplayed Tatum in the Finals and still got thrown under the bus.

Obviously if you can get KD you explore every option - but Brown also appears to be fed up with his reception in Boston despite going all-out to be a critical difference maker in Boston's title-run, and I don't blame him.

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230. "The NBA is a Gotdamn circus"
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231. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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232. "It's a year long round opera."
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Sit back and enjoy the show.

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233. "its really all sports with the money involved, look at Soto in baseball...."
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Deshaun and every QB looking for a contract in the NFL plus the WR drama, the money at stake is just crazy

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234. "kyrie wants to stay with nets next season with or without kevin durant."
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https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1551625934549155846

reporting from shams so you know its directly from kyrie.

its fucked up how dude flipped the narrative on durant lol.

kyrie gave the nets a list of teams to trade him to. held out on opting in til the deadline. no market. now his team is flooding the zone with leaks that kyrie always planned to stay with the nets and had no intention of being traded.

meanwhile...kevin durant is stuck holding the bag and looking like the diva for wanting to leave.

like he didnt give the trade demand in solidarity with kyrie not getting maxed out or like kyrie wasnt the source of this whole ball of yarn unraveling.

  

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236. "Both of them should be avoided like the plague"
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Lakers have no business trying to get him. Bron can kick rocks. He got what he wanted last year, we saw how that turned out.

  

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239. "Who needs daytime soaps....."
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With these charmin ass kneegrows in their feeling DAILY. Can't get enough of this.

  

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240. "Celtics would be foolish to trade Brown for a 34 year old KD, "
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who has already shown signs of regressing. The Celtics did
it to him in the POs. You have a 25 year old elite 2-way player,
who hasn’t even hit his prime yet, and he helped get you to the
finals.

No way you jeopardized that for a player who has proven that he isn’t
leader.

The only thing the Celtics were missing was chip experience. They got that
and they added Brogdon to an already deep team.

Now they really are going to lose Brown in 2 years.


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241. "it does feel weird to trade a core player for someone you just swept."
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242. "KD for 4 years now will be cheaper than Jaylen in 2 and RIGHT TODAY(wc)...."
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KD is the better player.

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243. "Fock KD."
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Ain’t nobody worried by that old ass dude anymore.

Russ, Lebron, KD era is just about dead. They are bunch
old dudes still running around in the club.

It’s about time for them to head on over to 3 on 3 with
Jamal and them.

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244. "Troll account?"
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>Ain’t nobody worried by that old ass dude anymore.
>
>Russ, Lebron, KD era is just about dead. They are bunch
>old dudes still running around in the club.
>
>It’s about time for them to head on over to 3 on 3 with
>Jamal and them.
>
>


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245. "Broken clock is right twice a day , "
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Dude missed 30 + games bc Bruce brown bumped into his baby giraffe legs

Nobody want a fragile jump shooter who doesn’t care about rings anymore (at the expensive of their young stars and key role players)

He needs to stop being a pussy and finish his contract. I still can’t believe the nets bet their whole future on these two corny bums ( this board and the media all have been overrating Kyrie for YEARS)


>>Ain’t nobody worried by that old ass dude anymore.
>>
>>Russ, Lebron, KD era is just about dead. They are bunch
>>old dudes still running around in the club.
>>
>>It’s about time for them to head on over to 3 on 3 with
>>Jamal and them.
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>>http://art-------school.com/
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>>https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C

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246. "i do remember me and you being 2 of the few people"
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talking about the potential disaster of putting some of the biggest headcases in the nba on 1 team.

shit turned out pretty much how we said it would.

  

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256. "That anyone is trying to get either of them at this point is baffling"
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Obviously everyone wants their talent, with with good reason.

But talent is not the issue and everyone knows it.

I could see signing KD outright, but giving up a rising young player like JB, and assets, for him is a gamble I wouldn't take. Talent, sure.

But that age, with his fickle tendency to want to bounce if shit ain't perfect for him?

The idea of the Lakers giving up the few picks we have- the most prevalent and important trade currency these days- just to get rid of Russ, only to take back a headcase like Kyrie, who, in addition to being a headcase, can and probably will dip in FA next year anyways, is fucking baffling.

  

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255. "He’s certainly the better player, but that doesn’t mean he’s worth..."
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To echo the others, it’s generally bad policy to trade a really good up and coming player for a great aging player. And at this point there’s a significant risk that he either gets injured or just acts like an asshole and wants a trade AGAIN in a year or two. Why risk that? Just build out your team that just made the finals.

Also, is this not the most boring route to go in building your team? And haven’t we seen this blow up in plenty of teams’ faces in recent memory? The more compelling storyline/gamble is building out the roster and hoping Tatum finally takes that step to become THE guy with Brown and company at his side. Trading for Durant is almost like conceding Tatum is not that guy, which sucks. He had a bad finals, but he’s 24.

  

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261. "so now you think Brogdon was a good addition?"
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>The only thing the Celtics were missing was chip experience.
>They got that
>and they added Brogdon to an already deep team.

because scroll up to the top of this thread and...

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2769076&mesg_id=2769076&page=#2769095


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247. "Draymond wants a max extension from the Warriors."
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And although everyone on OKS will say otherwise, they should give it to him. Because that defense is so much worse without him on the floor. And they won the title because they had the top rated defense in the NBA. So let him score 6 points per game. He's worth the money imo. If he doesn't miss so many games last year, he's 2022 DPOY in a *walk*.

Or they can tempt fate and tell him to walk if he wants more money, and watch that defense fall off a cliff.

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248. "They'll work it out a deal"
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Don't know if it will be for max money, but they'll work out a deal. He's obviously integral to the Warriors success and is a big reason why the team won four chips.

I can see where Draymond is coming from. The last extension he signed was right before the Steph/Klay injury season, and it was for less than the max. So now the Warriors are on the up-swing again, and he wants one last huge payday before there's any real slippage in his skills and before they can determine what Kuminga is going to be. And he's using the fact he can opt out in '23/'24 as leverage.

Thing is, I highly doubt he gets nearly the money they'd be paying him in '23/'24 for another team if he opts out. And I doubt any other team offers him anything near the max if he "explores the market."

This will determine how committed Lacob is to paying luxury tax. As every single article about this points out, Draymond, Klay, Poole, and Wiggins are all going to be up to re-sign at the same. Yeah, people are siting the team letting Payton II and Porter walk, but no matter what anyone says, neither of those guys was a core player. Certainly not as important to their success as the previous four.

I think a big factor will be how Wiggins perform next season. If he's as good as he was this year, that will go a long way into them figuring out if they try to re-sign both Wiggins and Green to maxes.

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249. "DrayGone"
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252. "I think dynasties ultimately just have to pay."
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If we think the Warriors are contenders for another— what, 2-3 years? They just have to eat that cost at the end. You have to do what it takes to keep the core together and happy.

Maybe you have a year or two where you’re giving a way-too-old guy 30 mil. Or you can just extend those payouts over a few years to minimize the immediate impact. But paying is better than the alternative for good teams— basically always. Those post-Steph/Klay/Dray days will have some speed bumps. Why start those speed bumps sooner than needed? Give the fellas a swan song, y’know?

And of course Dray doesn’t get max money elsewhere— but I think he correctly assesses that he’s so vital to the Warriors system as designed that he’s a max player there. So asking for that money— and seeing just how loyal your franchise is to what you’ve helped build— is completely understandable imo.

I hope he gets it.

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253. "Cliche to say but"
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I can't see Steph, Klay, or Dray in another jersey. And I don't think they want to be, nor do I think the Warriors will let it get to that point.

Tony Parker wept.

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He got his first extension after they won their first chip, and by the next year, Timofy Mosgov was getting paid more than him.

Rather than gamble, he got his second extension in 2019, in the off-season before Steph got hurt. It paid off, he did not have a great season that year, and certainly wouldn't have been able to get $25 million if he had "tested the market."

This time, they've just won a chip, he was certainly a DPOY contender, and they don't know what Kuminga/Moody/Wiseman are going to turn into. So he's asking while he's got some leverage. I'm not mad.

But like I said before, they'll work it out. And even if he doesn't end up with the max, he'll be overpaid those last few years. And everyone will be fine with it.

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258. "According to basketball-reference.com"
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>This will determine how committed Lacob is to paying luxury
>tax. As every single article about this points out, Draymond,
>Klay, Poole, and Wiggins are all going to be up to re-sign at
>the same. Yeah, people are siting the team letting Payton II
>and Porter walk, but no matter what anyone says, neither of
>those guys was a core player. Certainly not as important to
>their success as the previous four.

Klay will earn $40,600,080 in 2022-2023 and $43,219,440 in 2023-2024. The 2023-2024 season isn't a player option. He's going to be a year removed from when Wiggins, Poole, and Draymond will have to get extended, assuming of course that Draymond chooses to opt out of his 2023-2024 portion of his contract.

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250. "As hood said - they'll work it out, I'm sure."
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Now does he DESERVE a max? That's...actually debatable. And I say that because a) look at how much money having him has made the team and b) as you said - that defense is 100% predicated on Dray.

Whatever contract he gets is going to look ugly in a few years - but pardon me if I have no sympathy for the damn Warriors having bad contracts in the future.

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257. "Oh, "deserve" isn't even a question imo."
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They don't win those titles without the death lineup, which is hugely predicated upon the skill and defensive versatility of Dray.

He's been Hall of Fame good for them over the years. He deserves whatever he can get.

The question of worth going forward when considering age is reasonable, obviously... but I genuinely only think it's reasonable if it's a great player on a team that *isn't* winning. If you're a dynasty team, or you're hoping to become a dynasty, you just have to pay.

It's like the CP3 contract. Yeah, that contract will likely suck by the end of the deal. But if you don't sign it and he walks, your ceiling is immediately, like, 5 seed. And I think the Warriors, especially given the age of Steph and the questions surrounding Klay's ability to be the player he once was over an extended period, are in the same boat. You let Dray walk, you're suddenly a 5-6 seed, your path gets harder when you make the playoffs, you have to play the stars more minutes/games in the regular season to dodge the play-in, etc.

Dray knows the Warriors don't want to give that up. So even if the Warriors know another team isn't signing Dray for a max, if Dray held firm for that money, I don't think they have a choice.

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260. "Right. "
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I guess the question is “is HOF level defense worth a max” which is not answerable in a vacuum. if Rudy Gobert had a sustained resume of being part of a team that won titles or was in the mix for titles basically his whole career…his contract wouldn’t be a discussion.

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254. "no team will give him the max outside of the knicks lol."
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269. "There's always Cleveland..."
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..or Detroit lol.




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282. "Cleveland will NEVER give that Shrek reject a max contract"
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Mobley better.

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259. "In addition to what everyone else is saying"
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I wonder if Curry will say something to the front office to convince them to resign Draymond to what he's asking for. As much as I think the dude is a loudmouth that constantly steps over the line, the Warriors have struggled when Draymond was out of the lineup.

Add in the fact that the West is getting more and more competitive and I have to think the Warrior front office will want to spend to stay competitive.

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266. "seems like a lot of warriors fans are fine letting dray walk."
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at least at that asking price at that age.

regardless of his importance to the team...i think a lot of dubs fans are kinda exhausted by him (myself included).

maybe they just let him hit the market and get humbled by what his value really is to other teams. then he signs with gs for something less than the max.

  

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276. "Dangerous game to play imo."
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They were 17th in offense, 1st in defense last year. While I think they can improve to, like, top 12 in offense without him (although IIRC their offensive numbers *are* better with him on the floor for the better part of the last couple years), I think the floor on where their defense can go without him is substantially lower. Like, as low as 15th in a worst case scenario. A Steph/Klay/Poole/Wiggins/whoever lineup is going to be below average defensively unless Klay is back to pre-injury Klay or unless the whoever is turns out to be an All-Defense level cleanup guy.

They need Dray. The price he's asking doesn't really matter imo. He knows they need him, and they know they need him.

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279. "steph already on record saying they need to pay their core. pay him"
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kick the other cans down the road. dubs have complimentary superstars. there's stuff that dray does that maximizes the value of the others.

quibbling over a few million isn't worth it because, as integral as his leadership is, a disgruntled dray can fuck up the locker room and intangibles.

he's not worth max money for anyone else, but he actually is to gs.

also, with some guaranteed years of $$, he can be wholeheartedly working on making kuminga into dray 2.0.



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280. "There's that factor too, ultimately."
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Like, would Golden State want to risk pissing off Steph by saying "okay, we're drawing a hard line in the sand on Draymond's paycheck"? Like, I realize it'll likely never get to that step... but why risk it when it comes to local legends? Just pay them through to the end. You'll be paying too much, but you can still potentially keep some of the young guys, and if shit hits the fan, you can extend their final paycheck or two to minimize the hit to your salary cap.

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251. "bleacher report posting foreign policy like a woj/shams drop."
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https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1552364912395141121

  

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263. "I feel bad for Mark Whelan , very little sympathy for Brittney Griner "
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Another stupid entitled celebrity who thought she was above the law


>https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1552364912395141121

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268. "there are places in the world where you just can't do that shit"
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Russia, the UAE, various countries in Asia, etc. The most basic research will tell you that if you get caught with anything drug related you'll be in jail for a minute.

This "free Brittney stuff" is so confusing. If any one of us did this stupid shit in Russia we would be going through the same ordeal. War in Ukraine or no war, she took the risk and got caught when the consequences were known. That's on her.



  

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271. "i think the issue is Russia, pre-war, was looking the other way..."
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because she's played in Russia for years and you're telling me she didn't use weed (she's always used weed) and they didn't know?

but, everything was all good. she's playing, entertaining Russians, winning, etc.

so, while there's a BIT of ignorance she's guilty of, i can see her going there and thinking nothing of it.

i think people are going a bit hard on her because they aren't taking into account the years of smoking weed in Russia she's had on her resume.

  

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274. "Thank you...you the first person i've heard explain this that makes me"
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feel some sympathy for Griner

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275. "yeah, i TRULY can't believe this hasn't been a bigger part of the..."
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narrative from the beginning.

i dunno if it's cuz the media doesn't wanna come off as pro-weed or what, but the only narrative i've really heard is "Russia is cruel" which is true, or, "She should have known better" or a combination of the two.

it's like, okay, should she have said to herself "damn, Russia is at war now and the U.S. is against them so they might try to punish American citizens." MAYBE. i mean, *I* would have. but, i can also totally see her just going "Russian hoop season is here, time to go live my 'Russian life'" like she had been doing for years.

  

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277. "^^^^^^ Yep. Clearly being used as a pawn by a dictator"
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tankies and right wingers agreeing on yet another thing, just further closes the loop on the Hoseshoe

  

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281. "Lmao they got her on the cover of time like she's Mandela"
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americans are hilarious

>Russia, the UAE, various countries in Asia, etc. The most
>basic research will tell you that if you get caught with
>anything drug related you'll be in jail for a minute.
>
>This "free Brittney stuff" is so confusing. If any one of us
>did this stupid shit in Russia we would be going through the
>same ordeal. War in Ukraine or no war, she took the risk and
>got caught when the consequences were known. That's on her.
>
>
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283. "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!"
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>Russia, the UAE, various countries in Asia, etc. The most
>basic research will tell you that if you get caught with
>anything drug related you'll be in jail for a minute.
>
>This "free Brittney stuff" is so confusing. If any one of us
>did this stupid shit in Russia we would be going through the
>same ordeal. War in Ukraine or no war, she took the risk and
>got caught when the consequences were known. That's on her.

Cool.

The "stupid game" in this case is...

hash vape cartridges.

We're over *here* pushing back against imprisoning people for things like this.

It stands to reason that many of us would want our compatriots to be freed if they're locked up for such a ridiculous "offense".

I can't even take the reason for that seriously.

What's the appeal of saying "fuck you, that's what you get" in these situations?

What's the cost of the drop of compassion it takes to want to see her freed? Is it really that high?

IMO it just makes people feel better about themselves to say "fuck her, that's on her".

  

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270. "C'mon..."
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..She made the same mistake plenty of athletes (and others) have made at the worst possible time.

Its not like she was a mule. They clearly made an example out of her to exploit the opportunity.

*Full disclosure: I just went through something very similar to this last summer/fall/winter with one of my brothers (very sensitive exchange).

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272. "damn.. that’s harsh. She had hash oil not 50 pounds of Heroin"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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265. "Thought we’d get back more, maybe a pick or two "
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Griner is dumb and got got. I guess I’m glad she’s coming home but I don’t have much sympathy for her. Griner is gonna get a standing ovation from all 400 fans in attendance at her next game, and I’m not sure she deserves it. Because of her we have to do business with a warlord. Nice going.

Whelan was probably a spy. I’m sure he’s had it worse than Griner so I feel for him on a humanity level but if you play dumb games you win dumb prizes sometimes.

Sometimes no one wins or loses a trade. Seems that’s true in foreign policy as well.

  

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267. "LOL. Meanwhile, Russia hasn't made any statement"
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If this drags on look out for the Woj report from Jake Sullivan stating that "there currently is no traction" on a deal.

but in all seriousness: would be great news for Griner to come home. I wish more victims of the drug war would get this type of attention and effort though. Would be a nice gesture to pair this effort with federal action to stop people in the US from being imprisoned for cannabis.

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273. "Random waiters are going to be pulling out scales on Zion "
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278. "Yeah right, he’s getting whatever he wants, he’ll be 400lbs…."
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by this time next year

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284. "dang, Brit...prosecutor really asked for 9.5 years, smh."
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285. "9 years for "smuggling" and possession."
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this is all politcal theater and it's wack.

  

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287. "Russia and Asian countries"
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are very strict when it comes to drugs( very strict).

In China, the maximum punishment for being caught with any form
of cannabis is DEATH.

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288. "i'm aware. my point still stands and is true."
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Russia just using her as a political pawn to a) stick it to America and b) to use her has a trade piece for their guys.

if Russia wasn't in a war where the U.S. is supporting their opponent, this never would have happened.

  

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296. "The Marc Fogel case disagrees with that"
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He was detained last year for the same thing. The war has nothing to do with it.
That just how Russia is. That is my main problem with this…the propaganda that is being
pushed. This isn’t a target. War or no war. It would have ended up exactly where it is.

Also he lived and worked in Russia for 9 years.

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297. "except he admitted that he knew it was illegal and tried to smuggle it i..."
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which is not the case w/ Griner.

also, if you think Griner has been living and playing in Russia for years and just doesn't use while she's there? DELUSIONAL.

also, Marc Fogel ain't famous.

lastly, i don't care. i don't wanna hear your justifications for detainment over .702 grams of oil.

  

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299. "Okay then, You don’t want the truth."
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Russia isn’t America. They have their own laws, just like other countries. That’s all
I’m saying. A lot of Americans fail to understand that.

In Russia, the size or amount of a an illegal drug doesn’t really
factor in. If you are caught with any amount of an illegal drug, you
will be prosecuted to the fullest of THEIR law.

Their criminal justice system is no joke.

I too want Griner home. …just save the bullcrap propaganda.

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289. "Literally everyone knows that. Are you ok with that?"
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Do you think those laws are fair and reasonable?

  

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286. "Are Random and Guru still going to stand by their statements?"
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I wonder if this is all good with them

  

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290. "man, fuck everyone in here and GD on that "she did the crime" shit."
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i explained why ^^^up there^^^ why that whole stance is bullshit.

  

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293. "Agreed. I think it's BS without all that context though"
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These drug laws are antiquated and really only serve as a means of creating crime to manufacture a need for increased policing

I can't speak specifically to Russian policy, but I suspect it's not dissimilar.

Far as I can tell, the biggest benefit to criminalizing drug use/posession in the US, is that it helps fund law enforcement organizations.

It's a viciously circular set of laws, funding law enforcement, whose job it is to arrest drug users, which then fund the facilities and personnel needed to imprison them, creating the "need", thereby keeping the funds flowing to arrest more drug users, to fund facilities to.....

So I agree with you entirely, but I think it's bullshit even without the added context of her being there and doing her thing for so long.

  

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291. "Why would it be any different? "
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It’s not like their treating her any different than they treat their own
citizens. 80-90 percent of criminal cases in Russia end up with guilty
verdicts.

My problem is that there are American soldiers and citizens who have been
detained in Russia for years, and there has been no urgency on America’s part
to negotiate their freedom. We are talking about people who have served to
protect our country, so for the Griner situation to jump the line in importance is
hard to swallow for some American citizens.

For instance, no one is talking about American Marc Fogel, whose case is just like Griner’s,
but he was given 14 years in prison. He has been in a Russian prison for a year…imagine
how his family and how he is feels about all this. Is his life less important?

I’m a WNBA fan as well as a Griner fan, and I do want to see her make it home,
but the message and propaganda that our government is pushing with this one
case is kind of disturbing and laughable.



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295. "So you're ok with this. Cool. "
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It's telling that you and guru both chose these long ass rabbit trails instead of just overtly owning your position.

It shows that you know it's a fucked up policy, but you're too married to your preprogrammed callousness to allow basic critical thinking and empathy to override it.

No further use for you on this subject.

  

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298. "nah these are valid points"
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>My problem is that there are American soldiers and citizens who have been
detained in Russia for years, and there has been no urgency on America’s part
to negotiate their freedom. We are talking about people who have served to
protect our country, so for the Griner situation to jump the line in importance is
hard to swallow for some American citizens.

For instance, no one is talking about American Marc Fogel, whose case is just like Griner’s,
but he was given 14 years in prison. He has been in a Russian prison for a year…imagine
how his family and how he is feels about all this. Is his life less important?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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302. "No, those aren't valid points at all. In fact, it makes it worse. "
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A whatabout that deflects to a valid issue, is still a deflection from the issue at hand, if it's not inclusive to the subject at hand.

And in this case, the message is just that she's not the first or only- which is 100% irrelevant to the question of whether or not he's good with it.

Sidestepping that question to point out that she isn't the first or only, or necessarily the more important of those who are caught up in the same situation, is a tacit admission that he IS cool with it.

If anything, her plight only serves to raise the issue of others in this situation. Because the average person won't even hear about those other people- but they're hear Griner's situation.

It's not about importance or jumping the line.

The fact remains, we're talking about it because we know about it, and we know about it because she is who she is.

His post isn't raising valid points.

When he asks if Fogel's life is less important, taken in context of everything else he's said, the message isn't that his life shouldn't be worth less than hers- it's that her life should be treated with the same ignorance and callousness as his has been.

His net message is, hey, we didn't fight hard for these other folks, so she should get the same. There's no getting around this.

He can redirect and whatnot, but as it stands, that's the net message of his post.

And it's not a valid point.

The charge itself is archaic and needs to go- everywhere, not just here. And we shouldn't stand for it, for anyone. The fact that someone of stature will get more light shone on the situation is an inherent unfairness that has nothing to do with the charges themselves, their fairness, or reasonableness.

They should *all* be sent home, provided similar charges and circumstances.

He isn't saying that though.

He's just "whatabout..." as a way of sidestepping the fact that he doesn't give a fuck that a fellow American is being held in a Russian prison on bullshit charges.

He's entitled to that view, but there's no further dialogue to have at at that point.

  

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301. "I just want say I love you."
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You make my day sometimes, because I know when see my posts
you come with guns blazing.

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292. "It sucks. *shrug* "
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I just got back from Jamaica after 7 days of snorkeling in pristine turquoise blue waters, I'm more upset that I'm back in NYC than this news.


>I wonder if this is all good with them

9 years sounds excessive to Americans (I highly doubt she does all 9)

That seems appropriate for them. and they judged accordingly.

Hopefully, Putin accepts the deal proposed, but if it means exchanging that Weapons dealer / War lord LOL. (I'm not going to pretend to be morally outraged at the prospect of releasing him back into the wild when the USA is the number 1 weapons dealer in the world but its just funny how..)

First, that bald dr evil looking fucker sabotages your entire electoral process and hijacks an entire election, and now he gets his favorite terrorist / KGB top dog back in exchange for a WNBA player...

hold that L uncle sam.

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294. "A lot of words to sidestep saying you have no problem with this"
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Cool.

No further use for you on this subject.

  

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300. "this Sexton shit..."
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...as time goes on, it looks like CAA royally fucked up when the Cavs were about to give him a decent deal.

now the market's fucked, he's coming off injury, Cavs ain't tryna go in the tax, and they got way too many dudes on the roster.

this will all wash out come 2023-24 but damn.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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303. "I wonder if the Lakers can find a way to snag him in all this"
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Seems like it would turn into something complicated, and I don't know how a sign and trade works in a three-way deal, or if that's even possible, and how that works with the hard cap it would bring.

But that's worth looking at IMO

  

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304. "damn kevin durant laid down an ultimatum to joe tsai."
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its either him or nash/marks.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1556709715266134016

i have no idea why he would be combative towards nash/marks in all of this but these nutty ass niggas love being unpredictable for no damn reason at all.

  

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307. "Assuming that's true"
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I have to imagine this lowers his trade value since Durant is forcing Brooklyn to act out of Durant's desperation.

Durant is doing his best to royally screw over the Nets, and I have to think he's smart enough to know that from Brooklyn's perspective in terms of wanting to get a decent return for him.

Despite the fact he has a four year contract, there's no telling if he'll do the same a year or two down the line to the next team that trades for him given how Brooklyn seemed to placate to him and Kyrie initially.

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305. "KD to Tsai: Trade me or fire Nash and Marks...."
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COTDAMN!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1556711271281528837?s=20&t=P23-zknCgjqvgCIdlNq3xA

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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309. "Ship his ass out"
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Can’t let a dude like this run the entire team like that

  

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311. "it's so wild, too, cuz HE bought Nash in...that was his pick"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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312. "What's even wilder"
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is that I'm sure the majority of folks in this thread (myself included) would want Brooklyn to choose Marks and Nash over Durant, despite the fact Durant is better at his job as a player than either Marks or Nash are at theirs.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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328. "Nah, that wasn't KD's call..."
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..Tsai had Nash in his back pocket the entire time (had been courting him for the previous 2 yrs around NYC).

They threw Nash in the mix once they had Durant locked in.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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330. "gotcha...well, I won't pretend I know anything much about Tsai..."
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but, this was a good interview with Matt Sullivan, who got REALLY embedded with the Nets and kicked it with KD and Kyrie, off the court. The book is pretty good, too.
https://youtu.be/AMY5bwgXhws?t=328

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316. "Beard/KD date night over the weekend at Travis Scott concert "
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Then this headline... probably means KD blames Marks/Nash for Harden leaving

Is he wrong?

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306. "Dejounte talking cash shit to lil homie Paolo..."
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https://nypost.com/2022/08/08/why-are-dejounte-murray-and-paolo-banchero-feuding-on-instagram/

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308. "If this is to get us all hyped on Magic/Hawks games"
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It's not working

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313. "if any of that is true, Paolo got two choices:"
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man up and apologize

or

lose one friend/mentor, maybe more.

the Seattle basketball community is TIGHT knit. if he's disrespecting Dejounte in any way, probably some other guys (Jamal Crawford, Isaiah Thomas come to mind quickly - both of whom mentored Dejounte) probably not happy about that either.

  

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318. "what if Dejounte is disrespecting Paolo?"
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>man up and apologize
>
>or
>
>lose one friend/mentor, maybe more.
>
>the Seattle basketball community is TIGHT knit. if he's
>disrespecting Dejounte in any way, probably some other guys
>(Jamal Crawford, Isaiah Thomas come to mind quickly - both of
>whom mentored Dejounte) probably not happy about that either.

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320. "highly unlikely, but also i said "if this is true" meaning if what Dejou..."
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said was true.

  

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331. "a veteran talking shit to a rookie is "highly unlikely"?"
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333. "in this situation? yes."
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if you're not from 'round here or understand the local basketball community in Seattle, maybe you don't believe me.

that's fine. but i'm telling you.

that's the end of our back n forth on this, fyi.

  

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310. "Kevin Durant is a depreciating toxic asset that isnt worth the headache*"
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*Unless you have an established culture/leader already and even if you do, why would you risk upsetting that balance by taking on a moody petulant injury prone mental midget?

if the Nets dont ship his ass out now, hes gonna tear an ACL/or break something this season and their gonna be stuck with a hobbled shell of KD for the next 4 years.

I cant think of another top 15 player that torpedoed his own legacy this badly lol

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314. "ben simmons left the group chat when they asked him to play in game 4."
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https://twitter.com/nonbiasednbafan/status/1556122534243962880

im dying.

  

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315. "imagine seeing that pop up:"
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"Ben Simmons has left the chat."

  

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319. "i wonder if the team left him off the bench in game 4"
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or if that nigga just aint show up lol.

  

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317. "Adding on to KD/Tsai tweet posted above..."
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You really have to question the FO in BKN
Obvious respect issues with Nash that 'Rie made apparent year 1
Then Marks trades Harden for a guy...that probably shouldn't have passed his physical

I'm with KD on this one.
BKN went from perennial favorite...to dumpster fire...

Players play...right...?

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321. "Huh? That dumpster fire is on KD and Kyrie, and their weirdo tendencies"
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>You really have to question the FO in BKN

Agreed. Doing so much to placate Kd and Kyrie’s every whim was a huge mistake.

>Obvious respect issues with Nash that 'Rie made apparent year
>1

Agreed. That’s also on Kyrie, who is on record saying doesn’t think they need a coach

Not everyone is the goddamned headcase whisperer.

>Then Marks trades Harden for a guy...that probably shouldn't
>have passed his physical

They gave up a lot to get Harden (hi, KD and Kyrie!) , who likely wasn’t returning, and got the best available talent in return.

It was a gamble for sure though.

>I'm with KD on this one.

With KD? As far as what? Being mad that they didn’t throw good money after bad by placating Kyrie more than they already have?

>BKN went from perennial favorite...to dumpster fire...

Agreed, largely because KD and Kyrie are absolute headcases, not to mention injuries.

>Players play...right...?

Not, apparently, when they’re flat earth/antivax conspiracy nuts.
Also, not when they’re injured.

  

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322. "Harden."
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Declined an extension before last season
…so everyone was already on notice…
3yrs $161M
Had a PO of $47M which would have been this upcoming season
Beard basically walked away from +$200M
To opt out and take less money in Philly
…and you think that’s because of Kevin Durant…
They looked okay over the weekend

He probably could have opted in and forced ‘Rie out given some of the comments Tsai has made

I always thought Beard took issue with Nash running his wheels off year 1
To your point, KD injured and ‘Rie being ‘Rie, factored in
But when that situation looked to repeat itself last year
That’s on the FO for not addressing it IMO.

Beef up the bench (Marks) so your +30YO PG isn’t playing +35mpg (Nash)

Not that KD/‘Rie aren’t without fault
But IMO, Harden was more disappointed with the franchise than anything else.

i.e. Our Big 3 isn’t winning and it’s your fault = 2s.

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325. "Man, Fock that dude and KD."
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I’m a huge fan of Kyrie’s BB skills, but I didn’t agree with his stance
on sitting out games…I did respect it.

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323. "big joe tsai with the show of force."
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https://twitter.com/joetsai1999/status/1556791235427405824

i know dude is tired of all this shit.

  

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324. "That's some ether level response right there."
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I'm actually pleasantly surprised he essentially said "you still have four years left on your contract, you're not in a position to tell us what to do. PS - Kyrie was your idea in the first place."

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326. "He has fight w Xi Jinping regularly to get deals done …KD small 🍟 "
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>https://twitter.com/joetsai1999/status/1556791235427405824
>
>i know dude is tired of all this shit.

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327. "damn i don't know how this gon play out but i like the fact that he said"
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this directly and not on some leak shit.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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329. "Their FO is a joke..."
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..and the rest of the league is laughing at them.

They're betting on Marks & Nash??? At least Marks has the experience of winning a championship as both player and coach, giving him real world experience that should translate well in a locker room full of guys that haven't been to the mountain top.

Nash, however, has never been close.

Its Tsai's $$$ to burn, but nobody's excited to play in BK without Durant as the anchor.




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334. "They deserve to be mocked for everything that led to this point"
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But I think they’ve handled this off-season about as well as they could’ve, all things considered. I wouldn’t have re-signed Kyrie just to appease KD, but at least a 1 year commitment isn’t a big deal.

But taking a hardline with a guy who has 4 years left and is being an asshole? That’s great. I am all for player freedom, but occasionally, the player is a jerk and you shouldn’t let them hold you hostage. If they’re gonna trade him, they’re gonna wait for a historic haul. Otherwise, get your ass on the court.

To be clear, Nash was an awful choice from the get-go, and they definitely should’ve fired him after the Celtics sweep, but should they fire him just cause KD is being a baby? Fuck that. Go sit out for 4 years if you’re that unhappy. KD is just looking for issues to justify his stance at this point. Nash sucked a year ago and KD still signed the extension.

  

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335. "yeah giving in to a player's demand like that is some short term shit."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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338. "What if this really isn't on KD?.."
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..I know that most people are responding to this scenario as if reports of KD & Kyrie spearheading this diabolical disaster, calling the shots that lead to Marks/Nash/Tsai making decisions to appease them. What if that's never been the case?

We know that the org moved mountains to sign KD (signing Irving a week later) . We also know that plan has possibly been in the works since the infamous tunnel vid surfaced from the 2019 ASG. *Please note: Durant had all of the 2019/20 season to sit and watch how BK planned to operate moving forward (something most Elite players rarely get to do when joining a new franchise through FA). It appears that something happened during that 1st year (during KD's recovery) that made them shift gears to bring in Nash as head coach (with no prior experience other than PDC for GSW, a position he was recruited for specifically for Durant).

This looks like Tsai and the BK front office already working to appease things and keep KD happy (sidelines or otherwise).

Since then, its been one disaster after another (signing (C)Hard(m)en, a host of other vets, then eventually trading Charmen for Simmons (hereby known as Sim Simma! © Beenie Man).

I don't know why people view this situation as anything other than Tsai being out of his depth when it comes to the business of professional basketball in the NBA (much different than leagues in other countries). He signs the checks. His current stance against Durant just proves that he made the wrong call to begin with. While I believe in honoring contracts, I also recognize that sometimes contracts are renegotiated (esp when all parties involved have yet to make good on certain promises). I still hold KD responsible for signing with BK, but the FO moves are on Tsai.

That said, context is always crucial.

What say you?


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339. "I say giving a player the keys to your franchise is a lose lose endeavor"
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maybe to a player that's been in it for the long haul and has displayed some sort of loyalty but for KD? nah

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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340. "That's an entirely different convo..."
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..similar origins, but let's not deflect from the facts here.

Tsai and his partners/FO knew exactly what they were getting with Durant/Irving/Marks/Nash:

• 2 current elite players with 3 rings (combined), with a history of being a bit sensitive, yet always shows up ready to perform when healthy
• 1 GM with 2 rings (1 each as coach/player), that was instrumental but never the focal point of his winning teams/organization.
• 1 HC with no HC experience (player development coach w/GSW during Durant's tenure) that has never been to the finals in any capacity.

Does this sound like a solid investment for the future of a stable franchise?


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341. "Those mistakes are one thing. KD wants them to repeat them."
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>..similar origins, but let's not deflect from the facts
>here.
>
>Tsai and his partners/FO knew exactly what they were getting
>with Durant/Irving/Marks/Nash:
>
>• 2 current elite players with 3 rings (combined), with a
>history of being a bit sensitive, yet always shows up ready to
>perform when healthy
>• 1 GM with 2 rings (1 each as coach/player), that was
>instrumental but never the focal point of his winning
>teams/organization.
>• 1 HC with no HC experience (player development coach w/GSW
>during Durant's tenure) that has never been to the finals in
>any capacity.
>
>Does this sound like a solid investment for the future of a
>stable franchise?

No. But then, I think the Lakers should be trading AD as we speak, because depending on a player who’s name is always a sentence away from the phrase “when healthy” is also a terrible investment.

I’m not sure what the problem is with hiring Marks. Nothing about that hire screams “bad investment”, and it still doesn’t.

If we’re not deflecting from the facts, all of this starts with betting on KD and Kyrie.

Literally any team in that position at that time, makes that play, every time.


I’m all for player empowerment, but I’m also for Ownership not being able to pass the buck when they make terrible decisions. But I’m not sure that’s what happened here.

I don’t necessarily fault Tsi for trying to appease his most critical investments with their choice of coach, early in the process.

The critical issue here came when it came time to make follow up choices bassd on how those early decisions played out.

-The pandemic was what it was
-ditto injuries

-Kyrie bears responsibility for his response to the COVID situation. That’s not in anyone else.
-KD chose to back Kyrie. Cool. But that’s on him.

It’s absolutely the right move not to commit long term money to Kyrie.

Here’s the thing: they’ve already been down that road, and it was time to either learn from that, or double down.

I don’t see how anyone can fault them for not committing to Kyrie- and appeasing KD HASN’t worked out.

So were they supposed to throw good money after bad in that situation?

This is less anout those initial mistakes, and about how they’re responding to them

And as it stands, KD wants them to double down on at least two mistakes:

-Doing things to appease their stars
-Committing to Kyrie, who has not shown to be equally committed

He’s entitled to his COVID stance, agree or disagree with it. It is what it is.

But paying him to appease KD would have been a bad move, repeating the same mistakes.

Firing Nash and Marks is another move to appease KD- the one who is backing another mistake in his desire for them to re-up on Kyrie.

I don’t think the idea of handing the keys to the players is a separate convo here.
It’s the central issue to this situation.

And the fact is, there are two very clear sets of options:

-Continue to make moves to appease KD, or
-Stop, and make decisions independent of his whims

Add to that his age and recent injury history

Should they really double down and appease a player at his age, with injuries starting to sneak up, when appeasing him in the recent past hasn’t worked so well?

Even if we’re diplomatic, without placing any real blame at his feet, it still doesn’t seem like a wise direction.

I don’t think that’s the case, because I don’t think KD has shown himself to be a wise choice as the person you want guiding the direction of this franchise.

That’s a sensible conclusion even if we don’t point fingers.

I also think it’s a mistake not to trade him. They need to just take their lumps and go get Jaylen Brown and a few picks, and move the fuck on.

  

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361. "You're all over the place here..."
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..but I'll do my best to address everything you mentioned.

>>Does this sound like a solid investment for the future of a
>>stable franchise?
>
>No. But then, I think the Lakers should be trading AD as we
>speak, because depending on a player who’s name is always a
>sentence away from the phrase “when healthy” is also a
>terrible investment.

Simple fact: The Lakers made significant investments regarding 'Bron & AD, they're simply attempting to exhaust all efforts before shifting away from that game plan. They've already won 1 championship with this formula, but would need to win another in the next 2 seasons to justify their current stance. That win might not be enough to satisfy critics, but it puts them lightyears ahead of BK.

>I’m not sure what the problem is with hiring Marks. Nothing
>about that hire screams “bad investment”, and it still
>doesn’t.

Who traded Charmin for Sim Simma?

>If we’re not deflecting from the facts, all of this starts
>with betting on KD and Kyrie.

Again, Tsai & Marks.

>Literally any team in that position at that time, makes that
>play, every time.

Several teams were interested in KD at that time, but only BK wanted him & Kyrie as a pkg (hence, the signings). Say what you want about both elite players and the rings they won accompanying other great proven champions, neither of them showed me enough to suggest that they were ready to lead the charge to a ring on their own. I said it then and I'm saying it now. As a fan of both, I still don't think they can get it done together.

>I’m all for player empowerment, but I’m also for Ownership
>not being able to pass the buck when they make terrible
>decisions. But I’m not sure that’s what happened here.
>
>I don’t necessarily fault Tsi for trying to appease his most
>critical investments with their choice of coach, early in the
>process.

Tsai hired Steve Nash to coach the Nets with absolutely no previous head-coaching experience in the pros. Everything else after that is simply icing on stale cake.

>-Kyrie bears responsibility for his response to the COVID
>situation. That’s not in anyone else.
>-KD chose to back Kyrie. Cool. But that’s on him.

I have no issue with Kyrie's stance or his professionalism during covid. He did what was asked of him, with respect to his own personal beliefs. The League/BK Nets/NYC played a game of chicken with Kyrie and lost (he clearly had every intention of standing his ground). KD did what every professional would: Stood by his friend and peer, while continuing to do his job.

>I don’t see how anyone can fault them for not committing to
>Kyrie- and appeasing KD HASN’t worked out.
>
>So were they supposed to throw good money after bad in that
>situation?

If they were smart, they would've considered all this before investing so heavily into 2 elite players with questionable qualities when it comes to leading the pack. They certainly wouldn't jeopardize such an investment by bringing in an inexperienced coach to navigate such personalities. Yet, that's exactly what BK did and continue to stand behind. That clearly upset KD and he has no plans to stick around for it. They won't sell tickets playing chicken with KD and he knows it.

>This is less anout those initial mistakes, and about how
>they’re responding to them
>
>And as it stands, KD wants them to double down on at least two
>mistakes:
>
>-Doing things to appease their stars
>-Committing to Kyrie, who has not shown to be equally
>committed

No, KD wants out. He made that abundantly clear. I'm not questioning why anymore. He doesn't want to control BK's plans, he simply no longer wants to be apart of it. I honestly don't give a damn if he's traded, but that doesn't mean I don't see his point. I still think he holds some responsibility here for signing with BK in the 1st place, but the bag was proper.

>Firing Nash and Marks is another move to appease KD- the one
>who is backing another mistake in his desire for them to re-up
>on Kyrie.

Firing Nash is the right move to make because he's not a good coach and never should've been hired. If you think holding on to Marks is a good move after signing/trading Charmin for Sim Simma, then we really don't have much to discuss here.

>I don’t think the idea of handing the keys to the players is
>a separate convo here.
>It’s the central issue to this situation.

This isn't that. The Nets are a poorly run organization that would love nothing more than to blame their obvious inadequacies on elite players complaining about FO.



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362. "Huh? It's all pretty clear and on topic. "
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>..but I'll do my best to address everything you mentioned.
>
>>>Does this sound like a solid investment for the future of a
>>>stable franchise?
>>
>>No. But then, I think the Lakers should be trading AD as we
>>speak, because depending on a player who’s name is always
>a
>>sentence away from the phrase “when healthy” is also a
>>terrible investment.
>
>Simple fact: The Lakers made significant investments regarding
>'Bron & AD, they're simply attempting to exhaust all efforts
>before shifting away from that game plan. They've already won
>1 championship with this formula, but would need to win
>another in the next 2 seasons to justify their current stance.
>That win might not be enough to satisfy critics, but it puts
>them lightyears ahead of BK.

Cool. Does that context- which I absolutely understand, and disagree with- fix his legs?

At any rate, I noted that to give some context to how I think these situations should be treated. I think the same about my own team. People don't cut bait on bad investments early enough to right the ship without greater damage done before the inevitable. I think the Nets need to cut bait on both KD and Kyrie, and stop being absurd in their demands.

>>I’m not sure what the problem is with hiring Marks.
>Nothing
>>about that hire screams “bad investment”, and it still
>>doesn’t.
>
>Who traded Charmin for Sim Simma?

I'm talking about the initial hire.

Also, Harden was gone, and that deal was likely on the short list of best case scenarios.

What should he have done?

>Several teams were interested in KD at that time, but only BK
>wanted him & Kyrie as a pkg (hence, the signings).

How many teams were in position to do that?
How many teams were even in the running?
BK was whispered for this exact scenario the entire season prior.

>Tsai hired Steve Nash to coach the Nets with absolutely no
>previous head-coaching experience in the pros. Everything else
>after that is simply icing on stale cake.

I know- but KD was part of that, no?
Wasn't Nash a KD pick?
Wasn't firing Kenny a KD/Kyrie thing?

>I have no issue with Kyrie's stance or his professionalism
>during covid. He did what was asked of him, with respect to
>his own personal beliefs. The League/BK Nets/NYC played a game
>of chicken with Kyrie and lost (he clearly had every intention
>of standing his ground). KD did what every professional would:
>Stood by his friend and peer, while continuing to do his job.

Cool. Does that sound like someone they should have reinvested in?

>If they were smart, they would've considered all this before
>investing so heavily into 2 elite players with questionable
>qualities when it comes to leading the pack. They certainly
>wouldn't jeopardize such an investment by bringing in an
>inexperienced coach to navigate such personalities. Yet,
>that's exactly what BK did and continue to stand behind. That
>clearly upset KD and he has no plans to stick around for it.


^^^ All of this goes to my overarching point:

That was then, this is now.
They made mistakes. Then they pivoted.
KD doesn't like the pivot.

Are they supposed to double down on the prior mistakes?

>They won't sell tickets playing chicken with KD and he knows
>it.

I don't agree with this at all. They'll be fine.


>>-Doing things to appease their stars
>>-Committing to Kyrie, who has not shown to be equally
>>committed
>
>No, KD wants out. He made that abundantly clear.

He literally gave them an ultimatum.

It doesn't matter if that's part of the plan to get shipped out, he presented a scenario where he would stay- which would require doubling down on prior mistakes of catering to his whims.

I'm not
>questioning why anymore. He doesn't want to control BK's
>plans, he simply no longer wants to be apart of it.

That's not what the ultimatum says. It literally says the opposite.
If the ultimatum was part of the plan, it was a questionable move, because it just made trading him harder.

>Firing Nash is the right move to make because he's not a good
>coach and never should've been hired.

Agreed. And that will likely happen with or without KD, but him making it a demand to stay shouldn't be the reason.

If you think holding on
>to Marks is a good move after signing/trading Charmin for Sim
>Simma, then we really don't have much to discuss here.

As asked above, what were the significant options available at the time?

Harden probably stays if they find a way to kick Kyrie to the curb.
KD chose to back Kyrie.
Fine. But it was a significant catalyst for Harden's exit.
KD bears responsibility for that, regardless of whether or not standing up for his friend was the noble move.

>This isn't that. The Nets are a poorly run organization that
>would love nothing more than to blame their obvious
>inadequacies on elite players complaining about FO.

This has nothing to do with KD complaining about the front office.
It's simply the newest wrinkle in the story, and it was already clear that their refusal to re-up on the huge mistake of signing Kyrie was the biggest factor.

The mistakes that were previously made, were already made.
The situation right now exists in large part because they won't make some of them again to appease KD.

  

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342. "I don't think KD's in the right"
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But do you think the reaction against KD is so strong because he has an unlikable personality? That is, if, say Steph, said it's either him or Kerr that people would be less upset at Steph than they are now at KD?

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345. "See 339"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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343. "But they *already* bet everything on the shorter term."
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When they traded for the big stars, that was the FO and ownership saying "we are going to compete for a title now." And they mortgaged their future draft pick situation to do so.

So they made the bed based on the premise that they can keep KD and KI happy. So how does this "hard line" play out if KD goes full Ben Simmons? Does anyone think Kyrie *won't* follow suit? They've given their first rounders, either directly or via swap, to Houston for six years. Tanking just isn't a viable option. Kyrie will walk for free this offseason. They'll get pennies for the dollar on KD in the median realistic scenario. You think Ben Simmons is signing an extension if he's their best asset by a dozen miles and they have nothing but losing and no picks on the horizon?

Like, if Tsai thinks "we'll do what's best for the Nets," what's best for the Nets is ALMOST CERTAINLY to just give KD and KI what they want, lol. Because if they can be satisfied, you increase the chances Kyrie stays, you increase the chances KD plays out his contract in Brooklyn, you increase your chances of being a serious contender for at least 2-3 seasons considerably, which also means increasing the chances of good free agents signing to try to play for a ring... like, even if you think those things are impossible because KD and KI are world-class weirdos, what is the alternative course? Unless they can actually pull in a haul for KD like what they're asking, I don't know how they aren't godawful until past 2027, just making Houston richer and richer.

Because even if KD sits like Simmons, this is *not* a Simmons situation. The Nets can't win at a good rate without him like the Sixers could with Simmons. And teams don't want to mortgage a billion years picks for KD, because he's so much older than Simmons-- what team is trading 6 years of picks for a guy who'd be 40 by the time that ends?

Maybe, just maybe, if Tsai comes off his asking price, he can find a way to get a couple of decent pieces for KD. Like, Jaylen Brown, 3 picks, and, I don't know, Derrick White. Or Scottie Barnes, OG Anunoby, and 3 picks. Or maybe, like, Ingram, a couple picks, and a young piece with upside like Herb Jones or Trey Murphy or something? Those aren't equal trades, but at least they'd ensure the Nets could be, like, a ~40-42 win team in the coming years. Worlds away from a title, obviously, but not nothing. And you'd have a pair of young talented guys to build around.

There's probably justification for Brooklyn to drag their heels to see if Ayton becomes available in January when it's legally permissible post-extension, and maybe if he does, Tsai can get Phoenix to trade Ayton, Cam Johnson, and, like, enough picks to potentially include 1 or 2 in the CP3-and-KD-would-both-be-realistically-washed era. I like the other deals more in terms of immediate value, but Brooklyn should know that the best value of any asset would be the picks a superteam trades away in the event the superteam gets old and or blows up. Because they gifted the same to Houston already, lol.

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344. "What’s the most likely scenario if they appease them?"
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A) They win a title next season with the new coach/GM and all is well.

B) Shit gets messy, the season ends in disappointing fashion, and KD is back making demands next off-season.

They’ve seen all the headaches these dudes have caused for the last 3 years while they were trying to appease them, and have determined that it’s not worth it anymore. I can’t blame them. At a certain point, you just can’t keep looking like pushovers, regardless of how talented the players in question are.

Like you said, tanking won’t help them, so their best option is wait for a trade to knock their socks off while KD plays out his contract (or doesn’t, I really don’t think they care if he sits out and saves them money).

  

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358. "They drastically increase chances at winning in the next half-decade."
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>A) They win a title next season with the new coach/GM and all
>is well.
>
>B) Shit gets messy, the season ends in disappointing fashion,
>and KD is back making demands next off-season.

There’s also certainly a C option, where they contend for a title, fall just short, but ultimately realize that running it back is their best option as players for contention in the following season or 2.

Like, option B is really the only option where shit blows up for them… and if they don’t appease them now, shit’s already irrecoverably blown up. They made this bed. If they want to have a bed at all, they need to try to preserve the bed they made.

>They’ve seen all the headaches these dudes have caused for
>the last 3 years while they were trying to appease them, and
>have determined that it’s not worth it anymore. I can’t
>blame them.

In the far away land of 2021, they were second in the East— their best finish in over 15 years— and took the eventual champions to Game 7. One game goes differently, there’s a *very* real chance they already have a title.

Like, the value in appeasing them is obvious. They give your team title upside. Without them, you barely have make-the-play-in upside— and you have no picks until two presidential elections from now.

You might suck with them, sure, but you’ll definitely suck without them. If the choice is relevant-with-a-headache or irrelevant-for-six-plus-years, I just… don’t understand how that’s a choice. Unless they don’t like winning.

>At a certain point, you just can’t keep looking
>like pushovers, regardless of how talented the players in
>question are.

Again, if they contend for a title, I don’t think looking like a pushover hurts anything but some egos. Standing your ground just to suck for a long time would feel good for the soul but doesn’t sound like a good business decision, lol.

>Like you said, tanking won’t help them, so their best option
>is wait for a trade to knock their socks off while KD plays
>out his contract (or doesn’t, I really don’t think they
>care if he sits out and saves them money).

I absolutely think they care if KD sits. Because they can’t use that money to fortify the roster, and they can’t win meaningfully without him unless Irving goes off— and the chances an unhappy KD creates an unhappy KI are pretty damn high imo. If they suck without him, I think teams will offer them even less, knowing the Nets will grow increasingly desperate.

They have to hope KD will just play… and maybe if they think he’d do that, maybe not giving into his demands would work because it creates a lot more possibilities. I just don’t think he’ll play if he’s this pissed because he knows he’s in great shape to apply the thumbscrews in a way that would be so much more effective than what Simmons did.

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>There’s also certainly a C option, where they contend for a
>title, fall just short, but ultimately realize that running it
>back is their best option as players for contention in the
>following season or 2.
>
>Like, option B is really the only option where shit blows up
>for them… and if they don’t appease them now, shit’s
>already irrecoverably blown up. They made this bed. If they
>want to have a bed at all, they need to try to preserve the
>bed they made.
>

Maybe 80% is an exaggeration, maybe it’s more like 40-60%, but after all the bullshit, I don’t blame the Nets for drawing a line in the sand. Like I said, they should’ve already fired Nash for plenty of reasons, I just don’t think it’s healthy to let your star fire the coach a couple months before the season starts. And I don’t believe they’ll magically solve their issues with a new coach at this point, unless they find a way to get Phil or Pop. Getting a new coach will be like spraying Lysol after you shit. Great, now it smells like Lysol AND shit!

Also, they can still run it back while telling KD no. He’s probably gonna play so he can get paid, and as much pouting as he’ll do, I don’t think it will affect his performance on court the way it sometimes does with Kyrie. In fact, if he’s playing mad, it might actually help lol.

  

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370. "I think there's a huge overstatement in there. "
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>Like, option B is really the only option where shit blows up
>for them… and if they don’t appease them now, shit’s
>already irrecoverably blown up. They made this bed. If they
>want to have a bed at all, they need to try to preserve the
>bed they made.

Not really. They can just make a new bed- or get a new bed frame and go from there.

Trading KD for Jaylen and literally anything else, is solid new bed.

That gives them two solid two-way players in JB and Ben.

I realize Ben is still a gamble for a few reasons, bvut that's hardly "no bed".

If they get a few picks back for KD, even better.

Kyrie is potential headache no matter what, and he's the guy that can burn that bed to the ground.

There's no market for him, but there's a halfway decent chance he's a Laker by opening tip. Russ isn't a great fit, but him + the two lakers picks + another pick or two from Boston could easily get flipped at the deadline, giving a team solid draft compensation in addition to a massive expiring deal.

Something good can be had with that around the deadline.

FYI- I don't Kyrie anywhere near the Lakers, so I'm not simply doing gymnastics fantasizing about that.

But that's the best way they can salvage the bed they have, by turning
Kyrie into something that most likely won't be quite as good, but definitely something more stable and less of a headache.

Ditto KD- and JB is the single best player they're likely to get for him.

>In the far away land of 2021, they were second in the East—
>their best finish in over 15 years— and took the eventual
>champions to Game 7. One game goes differently, there’s a
>*very* real chance they already have a title.

Then/now.

>Like, the value in appeasing them is obvious. They give your
>team title upside. Without them, you barely have
>make-the-play-in upside— and you have no picks until two
>presidential elections from now.

This downplays the obvious potential downsides, and I think that downside is significantly underestimated.

>You might suck with them, sure, but you’ll definitely suck
>without them.

I don't think that's remotely true, and I think there's a better chance that they'll be good without them, than there is that they'll win a title with them.

If the choice is relevant-with-a-headache or
>irrelevant-for-six-plus-years, I just… don’t understand
>how that’s a choice. Unless they don’t like winning.

I say they can get two picks from Boston.

I say that incetivizes them to move on from Kyrie, and I think the Lakers (again, blech) would give up those two picks as we get closer to the season.

I think Russ' expiring plus 4 picks gets them something good enough that "irrelevant" is a gross overstatement.

All of these things are hypothetical, but there's absolutely a reasonable roadmap for them to be a solid team for those 6 years, with time to recover and maybe even contend at some point.

  

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337. "Free Agency isn't over yet..."
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..while most of the offseason acquisitions have already occurred, there are clearly a few things to be sorted before preseason.

Another NBA thread would literally be the same info until preseason starts. We can keep the offseason thread(s) going 'til the start of pre-season.


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346. "Realistically it's borderline impossible to trade for KD"
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KD is worth minimum double the Gobert deal. Anything less than the Gobert deal plus a, b, c, and d means the Nets didn't obtain proper value. Few general managers in the league can match the Gobert deal. Ky's tradeable lowkey.

Answers for Cyren's speculations about this deal are found in Can't Knock the Hustle; a behind the scenes look at the Nets pursuit of KD and Kyrie.

Nets wouldn't have this problem if they did not trade for Harden... Can't wait for training camp to start.

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347. "no snark: why do you think of KD as such a prized asset?"
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seriously, no snark intended AT ALL

Your view that he's worth twice the haul of Gobert, which was a stupid massive haul in its own right, isn't a view I agree with

I see KD as, potentially, the very best and most unique scorer ever.

But

He's also 33. He's endured a number of injuries, including an Achilles just two years ago. And, worst of all, he's proven that he's fickle and can be poisonous in a locker room. Like, for as corny as he can be, EVERY SINGLE former teammate of Lebron is effusive about his ability as a leader and teammate.

So, like, a hypothetical haul you're describing for Durant looks like what? Even MORE than what Boston has allegedly already offered? No way.

  

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349. "he's still the best offensive player in the NBA, yes he's old and has..."
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had injury issues.

He's quirky but prior to the recent Brooklyn shit I don't recall him ever being "poisonous in a locker room". In some regards he held that shit together publicly supporting Kyrie and Harden despite their shit.

Despite the recent resurgence of Steph-hype there no player scarier than KD with the ball in his hands at the end of a close game.

Having said that Brooklyn is probably going to have to give up getting anywhere close to equal value. They'd been wanting a young star and a haul of picks but may have to settle for a haul of picks.

Either way another major lockout is coming because owners are pissed with players "demanding" trades with 4 years left on their contracts. Initially "player empowerment" was about players signing 1+1 deals and betting on themselves to move around as they pleased. KD got scared off the after that Achilles injury and signed 2 long term deals but still thinks he can move around as he wants. Players used to have to wait until their "contract year" to get traded. I think Harden was the first dude traded with multiple years on his deal from Houston and it set a bad precedent.

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350. "all fair, I'm just saying is the juice really worth the squeeze?"
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and admittedly maybe "poisonous" was harsh. But he's certainly been toxic most recently (and there's been a lot of rumblings about how prickly he was with Kerr and company in Golden State)

Your last part though doesn't mean he's justified. When you sign up for four years and then want out after one, well that what good are any of these contracts? I understand getting in bed with KD and Kyrie THEN as much as I understand Tsai wanting to make an example out of Durant NOW.

  

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351. "RE: all fair, I'm just saying is the juice really worth the squeeze?"
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>and admittedly maybe "poisonous" was harsh. But he's
>certainly been toxic most recently (and there's been a lot of
>rumblings about how prickly he was with Kerr and company in
>Golden State)

"prickly" while going to 3 straight Finals winning 2 with 2 Finals MVPs?

I think most teams would take that. What star player hasn't been "prickly"?


>Your last part though doesn't mean he's justified. When you
>sign up for four years and then want out after one, well that
>what good are any of these contracts? I understand getting in
>bed with KD and Kyrie THEN as much as I understand Tsai
>wanting to make an example out of Durant NOW.

agreed.

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353. "golden state was already a multiple finals teams without him."
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>"prickly" while going to 3 straight Finals winning 2 with 2
>Finals MVPs?
>
>I think most teams would take that. What star player hasn't
>been "prickly"?

and would have been in multiple more finals without him.

he just made the absolutely rich a bit richer.

how many other teams are in that position with the already-existing talent, depth, competence, and culture of golden state?

then how many of those teams are willing to give up a lot of the talent and depth parts to get him (which golden state didnt really have to do because of the cap increase at the time)?

  

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355. "GS wouldn’t have won those titles without KD…"
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they beat a depleted Cavs that first year after that it was a wrap and they needed HELP.

This season’s title doesn’t mean they would’ve won with KD although people try to say that lol

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357. "thats a hypothetical we will never know the answer to."
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dubs were up 3-1 on a healthy cavs squad before draymond got ejected with bogut/iggy hurt (not to mention a late game steph ejection).

no reason to believe theyd have zero shot against that cavs team in the following years.

its all hypothetical either way nonetheless.

but we do know that gs just won a chip without kd.

and kd just lost in the only sweep of this years playoffs.

  

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359. "true…"
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>dubs were up 3-1 on a healthy cavs squad before draymond got
>ejected with bogut/iggy hurt (not to mention a late game steph
>ejection).
>
>no reason to believe theyd have zero shot against that cavs
>team in the following years.
>
>its all hypothetical either way nonetheless.
>
>but we do know that gs just won a chip without kd.
>
>and kd just lost in the only sweep of this years playoffs.

And we also know that KD was a 1-time Finals MVP.

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356. "Until his injury last year, he was the MVP. *Last year.*"
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It’s crazy to me that, just because he’s a weirdo off the court and he’s on the older side, people don’t see the value in a guy who is a Top 2 basketball player in the world. I agree 100% with you on this. There’s a *lot* of short term memory going on.

A lockout is def coming, but when a player is as rich as KD is— especially with his injury history— I bet he wouldn’t mind sitting out, privately training, not logging so many miles while he makes the ownership twist in the wind. He just doesn’t need that year of salary as much as the Nets need him.

And this conflict isn’t changing anytime soon. Players know their worth more than ever before, and more than ever before, they know how to use their “fuck you” money they’ve earned over their first few star seasons as leverage against ownership. I’m not sure what they put in the CBA that changes that that the players’ association would agree on.

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360. "I agree with everything except for this part..."
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>It’s crazy to me that, just because he’s a weirdo off the
>court and he’s on the older side, people don’t see the
>value in a guy who is a Top 2 basketball player in the world.
>I agree 100% with you on this. There’s a *lot* of short term
>memory going on.
>
>A lockout is def coming, but when a player is as rich as KD
>is— especially with his injury history— I bet he
>wouldn’t mind sitting out, privately training, not logging
>so many miles while he makes the ownership twist in the wind.
>He just doesn’t need that year of salary as much as the Nets
>need him.

I don't see KD sitting out when he can play, he loves playing ball too much and he is aware that his clock is ticking.

>And this conflict isn’t changing anytime soon. Players know
>their worth more than ever before, and more than ever before,
>they know how to use their “fuck you” money they’ve
>earned over their first few star seasons as leverage against
>ownership. I’m not sure what they put in the CBA that
>changes that that the players’ association would agree on.

I'm sure the owners will figure out how to put some sort of language in new contracts where players can be penalized more for sitting out. It won't effect guys that have contracts now but down the road I think things might be different.

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352. "also what has kd actually done for the nets?"
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when bron was calling his own shots...any team that got him knew theyd be getting a player who had been pretty much a lock for the finals the past decade. and the biggest single money machine in the league.

for as much talk as there is about kd being arguably the best player in the game...his nets resume is a 2nd round exit and a 1st round complete sweep. with a ton of dysfunction and instability included. and with a drop of uncertainty whether he would be willing to play out his current contract (much less re-sign) with any team as a cherry on top.

and the team that ran off a 73 win season before he got there...just won a chip after he left.

oh and the nets had the 4th worst tv ratings of any team last year in the biggest market in country. so hes not heating things up on that end.
https://cdn.basketballnews.com/images/story/body/fmd9k2yvqaavvp1_lg.jpg

outside of one of the current top teams getting marginally better (while potentially throwing everything away but their immediate future)...what kinda roi would any other team realistically expect by getting durant?

  

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354. "Personal KD Haul"
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>
>So, like, a hypothetical haul you're describing for Durant
>looks like what? Even MORE than what Boston has allegedly
>already offered? No way.
>

5-8 possibly 9 unprotected first round draft picks.

4 second round picks

1 all-star or borderline all-star
3 established vets
3 minimum 4 max quality young prospects
2 G League players
1 borderline NBA rotation player from the D League

Increase quality to decrease assets to eliminate amount of players included but the end result has to be better than the Gobert deal.

At no point in NBA history has a player of KD's caliber been available for trade. Lebron leaving Cleveland the first time does not count.

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crazy amount of detail into how this all came together.

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363. "shams straight up said ric bucher is lying about the simmons chat story."
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https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1557045116333744129

nydailynews nets/nba reporter khristian winfield is saying it didnt happen as well.
https://twitter.com/NetsDaily/status/1557068215662018567

  

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364. "I seem to recall Bucher being disgraced at some point "
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I can't remember why though.

  

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365. "hes now saying kyrie demanded a 60 game max and no back to backs"
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in his contract negotiations with the nets.

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1557718725838635009


dude is apparently putting his credibility all on the line.

  

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366. "Bucher is always begging for attention. "
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He's also weirdly bitter against certain players. He's not that far off the Skip Bayless spectrum in terms of sophomoric takes and lack of objectivity.

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34384678/bill-russell-no-6-retired-nba-following-legend-death-last-month

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Andrew Lopez
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The NBA will honor the legacy of Boston Celtics legend Bill Russell by retiring his No. 6 jersey for all 30 teams, the league and the National Basketball Players Association announced Thursday.

Russell becomes the first player in NBA history to have his jersey retired leaguewide.

Additionally, all NBA players will wear a commemorative patch on the right shoulder of their jerseys during the 2022-23 season, and every court will display a shamrock-shaped logo with Russell's No. 6 on the sideline near the scorer's table.

"Bill Russell's unparalleled success on the court and pioneering civil rights activism deserve to be honored in a unique and historic way," NBA commissioner Adam Silver said in a statement. "Permanently retiring his No. 6 across every NBA team ensures that Bill's transcendent career will always be recognized."

Starting with the 2022-23 season, no NBA team will be allowed to issue No. 6 to any player. Players who currently wear No. 6 -- such as Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James -- may continue to do so. According to Basketball Reference, 25 players, including James, Kristaps Porzingis, Alex Caruso, Montrezl Harrell and Lou Williams, wore No. 6 last season.

The league said the Celtics' plans to honor Russell will be announced at a later date. Boston is planning a "separate and unique recognition" for Russell on its uniforms.

The NBA previously recognized Russell's contributions when it named the Finals MVP Award after him in 2009.

"This is a momentous honor reserved for one of the greatest champions to ever play the game," NBPA executive director Tamika Tremaglio said in a statement. "Bill's actions on and off the court throughout the course of his life helped to shape generations of players for the better, and for that, we are forever grateful. We are proud to continue the celebration of his life and legacy alongside the league."

Russell, an 11-time NBA champion, died July 31 at age 88.

During his 13-year playing career, all with the Celtics, Russell was named NBA MVP five times and was an 11-time All-NBA selection. He was named the Celtics' player-coach in 1966, becoming the first Black head coach in American professional sports, and led Boston to back-to-back titles in 1968 and 1969.

Russell remains second all time in NBA history in rebounds (21,620) and rebounds per game (22.5). He is also the leading rebounder in NBA postseason history with 4,104 total boards and 24.9 rebounds per game.

The ultimate winner, Russell led San Francisco to consecutive NCAA titles before making the jump to the NBA, and won a gold medal at the 1956 Olympics.

Russell was also known for his work in civil rights. He marched with Martin Luther King Jr., stood with Muhammad Ali and received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Barack Obama.

Having his number retired leaguewide puts Russell in an exclusive club.

Major League Baseball permanently retired No. 42 in 1997 in honor of Jackie Robinson, who broke the big leagues' color barrier, with the understanding that those who were wearing that number could continue to do so. Mariano Rivera of the New York Yankees was the last in the majors to wear No. 42, doing so through his final season in 2013.

The NHL, upon Wayne Gretzky's retirement in 1999, said his No. 99 would be retired leaguewide in honor of that sport's all-time scoring leader.

More than 250 players in NBA history have worn a No. 6 jersey, and Russell is one of 12 players enshrined in the Basketball Hall of Fame who wore No. 6 at some point in their careers. The others: Julius Erving, Patrick Ewing, Ben Wallace, Don Barksdale, Chuck Cooper, Larry Costello, Tom Gola, Cliff Hagan, Alex Hannum, Buddy Jeannette and Neil Johnston.

Nobody has worn No. 6 for the Celtics since Russell's final season in 1968-69.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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He is a legend, no doubt.

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371. "robert williams iii off limits in durant trade talks"
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https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1557729208834887684

yeah durant aint going anywhere.

boston aint even tryna part with defensive role players.

  

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>https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1557729208834887684
>
>yeah durant aint going anywhere.
>
>boston aint even tryna part with defensive role players.

Fuck Durant. Run it back.

  

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374. "Marks trying to get over but Ainge trained Stenvson well lol"
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375. "somehow these durant trade offers are getting worse."
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in the beginning there was a ton of talk about trades for all stars or close and multiple draft picks. ayton, jaylen brown, scottie barnes, etc.

now the celtics wouldnt even part with time lord (posted above somewhere).

grizzlies wouldnt even part with jjj or desmond fucking bane.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1561715836758499329

and the hawks best trade offer included john collins, deandre hunter, and *1* 1st round pick.
https://twitter.com/Pat_Benson_Jr/status/1561704253592375298

i have no idea why all of these durant trade offers are leaking out simultaneously today (through shams too...so likely player generated)...but they def aint heating up the market for durant and doing anyone any favors. theyre also boxing these other teams in and creating potential friction with the players they put on the trading block.

hard to see who would even benefit from the leakage. yall have any thoughts?

  

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376. "RE: somehow these durant trade offers are getting worse."
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>in the beginning there was a ton of talk about trades for all
>stars or close and multiple draft picks. ayton, jaylen brown,
>scottie barnes, etc.
>
>now the celtics wouldnt even part with time lord (posted above
>somewhere).
>
>grizzlies wouldnt even part with jjj or desmond fucking bane.
>https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1561715836758499329
>
>and the hawks best trade offer included john collins, deandre
>hunter, and *1* 1st round pick.
>https://twitter.com/Pat_Benson_Jr/status/1561704253592375298
>
>i have no idea why all of these durant trade offers are
>leaking out simultaneously today (through shams too...so
>likely player generated)...but they def aint heating up the
>market for durant and doing anyone any favors. theyre also
>boxing these other teams in and creating potential friction
>with the players they put on the trading block.
>
>hard to see who would even benefit from the leakage. yall
>have any thoughts?

agents

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377. "KD staying in Brooklyn."
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Makes sense, honestly. Since the Nets’ asking prices would gut the teams that were possible trade destinations, KD’s best chance is to stay in Brooklyn with Kyrie, Simmons, and the improved supporting cast they’ve built this off-season.

Props to Tsai and Marks for holding their ground and banking on convincing KD this was his best shot as a title. Wasn’t convinced that would work, but it did.

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381. "basically..."
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>Makes sense, honestly. Since the Nets’ asking prices would
>gut the teams that were possible trade destinations, KD’s
>best chance is to stay in Brooklyn with Kyrie, Simmons, and
>the improved supporting cast they’ve built this off-season.

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382. "Since he's on a one year deal"
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I wonder if that will impact how Kyrie will play this season.

To his credit, he wasn't as petulant as Durant was. I'm sure the lack of leverage he had played a part in that for sure.

**edit**

I also wonder how things will be with Durant and Nash since he was so open in wanting Nash to get fired.

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383. "Kyrie being offended Nets asked for a games guarantee is lol tho"
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like "how DARE they ask an artist like me to come to work more consistently"

  

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384. "Standing pat is the best move here."
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Not sure if the Rudy trade fucked up the market for KD - but regardless, I don't think the Nets were going to get back the haul they wanted. For KD's perspective - this team is probably better than the places he'd go once you factor in the trade. It's really not unlike Kobe's trade demand in the post Shaq/pre-Pau Lakers era (other than, of course, KD's age).

Run it back and see what happens. I'm all for player empowerment but this trade would have almost certainly led to a lockout (still might get one, of course).

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378. "durant trade talks officially over."
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/1562092355754377219

salute to joe tsai for standing his ground with both ky and kd. showed both of them what the food chain really looked like.

  

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379. "lol at co-signing that statement with "The Boardroom" "
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dork

  

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380. "Massive L for Kevin Durant"
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He made it known he's willing to team hop and chase a ring again, thought he could demand a trade at the BEGINNING of a contract he agreed to, then thought he could get an owner to fire management and a coach....none of which happened. He was sent back to his room. This is fucking hilarious.

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385. "Pat Beverly says this some bullshit..."
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KD responds...because, of course, he does.

https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1562103120007659524?s=20&t=3ShsGz6CbJU1xJIiTOTY8w

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386. "https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1562107319709753345?t=tnp8yOH6XK4bO8..."
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https://twitter.com/patbev21/status/1562107319709753345?t=tnp8yOH6XK4bO8OyFoBWlw&s=19

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387. "messy, but not wrong?"
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388. "these memes are hilarious."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fa2zjRDXkAQuTo2?format=jpg&name=medium

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389. "He's not wrong."
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For every Kevin Durant there are dozens of mid/low level guys who were held hostage by this. I can't really BLAME Durant - to a degree - but he has to realize he's the top 1% of NBA players. And sure, PatBev makes a lot of money, but as far as NBA guys go - there are 'working class' dudes who weren't getting deals.

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391. "This was coming regardless of if it was KD or not, tbh."
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We're in the era of player empowerment, which is unimpeachably a good thing-- but it definitely also means the players at the very top of the totem pole can flex their power waaaaay more than ever before in terms of holding teams/owners/players/coaches/etc hostage if they feel so inclined.

And what can the teams/owners do to keep this from happening? The players will never ever ever put any sort of punishment or limitations against this sort of behavior into the CBA. So then how does this ever change?

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392. "What I fear this is leading is non-guaranteed contracts"
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Where owners can waive these guys whenever they want was little cap repercussions.

Now, of course the NBA player's union is considerably more together than NFL, so it'll be tough to force on them. But I can see the owner's starting to push hard for this in the next few years.

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393. "At best, they may be able to add some sort of “games available” stip..."
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I can’t see the players’ union ever agreeing to something like what the NFL has where basically nothing is guaranteed unless you’re a huge star.

No matter what, I think a lockout is coming though. The last couple negotiations left a bad taste in everyone’s mouths and things have only gotten worse.

  

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394. "82 games of pat bev and russell westbrook? sign me up."
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1562641189274152965

also pat bev is worth that much in this market?

  

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395. "TF, yo?!"
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396. "THT has no market. This is just cutting bait on his contract."
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He has a player option that he’ll probably take, and Bev is an expiring.

So we get a dog for a year, and all that comes with him, and we free up some cap space next summer.

I’m good with it.

It could also mean a second deal with the Jazz involving Russ is coming soon, since Bev can’t be combined with other players in a deal until some time in September.

That, or it means we’ve got Indy lined up, since this makes it more palletable to take in Hield’s second year and still have some cap room left.

I think we get our full MLE next year too if it plays out that way, plus allows us to do a sign and trade without getting hard capped.

I’m sure I’m getting at least some of this wrong/mixed up, but it looks like it gives us about as much breathing room to retool as we can possibly get under the circumstances.

  

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397. "A) This is a pretty clear indication Russ is gone"
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B) THT has not been good. I’m not sure what you mean by Pat Bev is “worth that much”. THT is a fun player but his contract is truly one of the worst in the league - because he’s either paid far too much OR is worth that contract for the year and has a player option he’ll opt out of. Lose/lose.

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398. "What are the trade rumors involving Russ"
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that you realistically see happening?

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407. "The one that keeps coming up"
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Is Russ and 2 firsts for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. But who knows. I do think a huge expiring and 1-2 firsts or pick swaps has enough value to bolster the roster and reconstruct the same kind of team as 2020 - shooters and defenders around Bron/AD. If Nunn actually comes back and plays, plus some depth at the wings…it’s an entirely new team and identity.

And for what it’s worth I’d absolutely bring back Schroeder, too.

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408. "For Hield and Turner, I'd gladly give up two picks and even a swap."
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The current roster is play-in good at best, but if you ditch Russ and add two very good pieces that can bolster your defense and fit your stars far, far better, you're suddenly a contender in the West again.

Right now, they have two bonafide stars, a good role player starter in P-Bev, and... a bunch of guys who'd be good 6th/7th men, lol. They just need depth of talent so, so badly. I'd give Indiana whatever they want to try to bring home another title before the Bron era comes to an end.

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413. "I would too. "
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Thing is - while some fans want to pretend like trading Bron or AD was the move (it was never gonna happen, obviously) - this is the core for the next 3 years. Given the state of the pick situation, and the fact this is the Lakers who haven’t really needed to rely on lottery picks to be great, then fuck them picks.

Turner and AD are injury prone but an excellent defensive duo.

I hope it happens. Would be a great pivot.

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400. "Are the LAL trying to get Russ to quit?"
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402. "y'all are taking it too far lol"
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412. "No, but they're looking for someone who'd buy him out probably, lol. "
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Most of the realistic trade partners with the Lakers for Russ wouldn't actually have Russ on the court. They'd just buy him out and clear that salary room for the following season.

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410. "Yeah, THT for P-Bev is an *obvious* win for the Lakers."
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THT is a fine flier for a rebooting Jazz team to take, in case they can try to make something out of the potential he has, but he's not a player who contributes to winning in the NBA at this point. And P-Bev pretty clearly is.

And P-Bev fits what the Lakers need *beautifully.* Point-of-attack defense was DESPERATELY needed last year, lmao. He also doesn't need the ball in his hands and hit spot-up 3s at a nearly 40% clip (on limited attempts, but still) when on those Clippers teams. He's exactly what LA needs.

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399. "I'm surprised Pat Beverly never played under Riles and Spo"
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as he screams being a Heat Culture type of dude, assuming of course that he comes off the bench because he's trash on the offensive side of the ball.

Perhaps there's a reason Riles never pursued him and I'm totally off in my assessment.

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401. "He’s trash period. I wouldn’t want him anywhere near my team."
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Under Lebron is literally the only place in the league he won’t be a nuisance.

Otherwise the guy is a dickhead and his on-court contribution is laughably overrated

I watched every game of that Grizz/Wolves series and thought he was a massively negative influence on Minnesota’s mood and a consistent minus every time he was on the floor. He made his team markedly worse.

  

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404. "I don't even like Pat Bev but he had some big moments for Minny..."
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especially late in the season when Russell and Towns were folding up like lawn chairs.

>Under Lebron is literally the only place in the league he
>won’t be a nuisance.
>
>Otherwise the guy is a dickhead and his on-court contribution
>is laughably overrated
>
>I watched every game of that Grizz/Wolves series and thought
>he was a massively negative influence on Minnesota’s mood
>and a consistent minus every time he was on the floor. He made
>his team markedly worse.

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405. "He doesn’t score!"
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406. "He’s a classic “love him on your team, hate him on others” guy"
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He doesn’t NEED to be much more than he is. He’s a solid player.

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409. "For the season, he was second in +/- and third in VORP."
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>I watched every game of that Grizz/Wolves series and thought
>he was a massively negative influence on Minnesota’s mood
>and a consistent minus every time he was on the floor. He made
>his team markedly worse.

Only players on Minnesota more valuable analytically were KAT and Edwards. Russell and Beasley far worse on defense, Vandy and McDaniels not as good on offense.

He certainly wasn't as good in that series you mentioned, but Beverly's on-court contribution for the season as a defensive-minded nuisance and tone-setter was pretty clearly positive.

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403. "1. "Heat Culture" is overrated, 2. there a lot of gritty players that..."
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didn't play for Miami

>as he screams being a Heat Culture type of dude, assuming of
>course that he comes off the bench because he's trash on the
>offensive side of the ball.
>
>Perhaps there's a reason Riles never pursued him and I'm
>totally off in my assessment.

Miami won back to back titles with guys like Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole because they had LeBron, Wade & Bosh.

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411. "Hot take: Beverley's impact on team offense is underrated. "
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Yes, he's not a scorer, obviously. But he's a terrific ball mover, he can handle the ball, he creates well for others, and, when he was a Clipper, he shot open spot-up 3s at nearly a 40% clip, so you can't *completely* leave him alone every single game out there.

In fact, Beverly has *never* had a season where his team had a higher offensive output when he was off the court than when he was on it. His On/Off numbers for his entire career are positive-- because even though he's not a good scorer, he's very good at playing a role that helps support and bolster a good offense.

There are plenty of better scorers that would be *worse* for a team's offense than Beverly. So I'm not saying he's good at scoring or even necessarily a truly good option for an offense that's in need of additional weapons. I just don't think he's nearly as bad for team offense as people tend to suggest.

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414. "Post #230"
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Again

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416. "Woj saying Knicks/Jazz were still trying to work a deal for Donovan"
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but, it came down to how many draft assets and the Jazz wanting Barrett and Grimes in a deal. Saying Barrett's extension doesn't dead the deal, but makes it more complicated.

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417. "The Knicks ain’t trading Barrett."
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RJ did 20/6/3 at age 21. If you trade that for three years of Donovan Mitchell— who’s more efficient than Barrett today but not *especially* efficient, and who almost certainly isn’t The Guy on a true contender— that’s a losing game in the long run.

I’m not even saying Barrett will definitely be The Guy on a true contender. But even the Knicks, who famously dump off assets chasing win-now pipe dreams over the last 20 years, wouldn’t do this deal. Not for Mitchell. And I think reports that the Knicks have refused to offer Barrett in these negotiations make that clear.

Offer a couple picks and a couple of the other young assets on the team for Mitchell. If Ainge isn’t interested, tell him to kick rocks, keep those young assets, let them continue to build value, and ask again at the trade deadline.

(And honestly? I wouldn’t offer Grimes at first either, lmao. I kinda think Grimes is the sort of 3-and-D wing every single team could use going forward, and his value will continue to explode. These aren’t guys that I’d trade for a player who wouldn’t be good enough to make you any better than a play-in team. For a better player, sure, offer Grimes or even Barrett— but Mitchell’s never even been All-NBA. He’s not the needle mover you shove all in for.)

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418. "RE: The Knicks ain’t trading Barrett."
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>RJ did 20/6/3 at age 21. If you trade that for three years of
>Donovan Mitchell— who’s more efficient than Barrett today
>but not *especially* efficient, and who almost certainly
>isn’t The Guy on a true contender— that’s a losing game
>in the long run.
>
>I’m not even saying Barrett will definitely be The Guy on a
>true contender. But even the Knicks, who famously dump off
>assets chasing win-now pipe dreams over the last 20 years,
>wouldn’t do this deal. Not for Mitchell. And I think reports
>that the Knicks have refused to offer Barrett in these
>negotiations make that clear.
>
>Offer a couple picks and a couple of the other young assets on
>the team for Mitchell. If Ainge isn’t interested, tell him
>to kick rocks, keep those young assets, let them continue to
>build value, and ask again at the trade deadline.
>
>(And honestly? I wouldn’t offer Grimes at first either,
>lmao. I kinda think Grimes is the sort of 3-and-D wing every
>single team could use going forward, and his value will
>continue to explode. These aren’t guys that I’d trade for
>a player who wouldn’t be good enough to make you any better
>than a play-in team. For a better player, sure, offer Grimes
>or even Barrett— but Mitchell’s never even been All-NBA.
>He’s not the needle mover you shove all in for.)


I don't think Ainge wanted Barrett for the long term tanking future the Jazz are looking to endure. Before the contract extension, I'm willing to bet he wanted Barrett to then flip him for even more picks to a team that would want to sign him long term. It doesn't make sense to trade for Barrett and then sign him for a somewhat long term teal from the Jazz' perspective if they're gonna tank for Wembanyama. Now that Barrett has more guaranteed dollars attached to this name and the dreaded poison pill provision that'll make it even harder to move him, I can't see Barrett being part of this Mitchell deal.

In terms of what you said about Grimes, given how pitiful Randle looked last year, I'm alright with the Knicks moving any of the young pieces out of Toppin to be honest. My fear is that if the Knicks include Toppin in any trades, that makes it that much harder for the Knicks to potentially trade Randle in the future. If Grimes is one of the young pieces that will have to be moved, so be it. I have the feeling the sticking point is the number of picks Ainge is asking from the Knicks unfortunately. I'm guessing Ainge is looking to leave the Knicks cupboard bare, which will limit them making moves in the future. As much as I understand Ainge wanting to get as many assets as he can since he's blowing up the team, I don't think Mitchell is that dude to mortgage your future to improve in the present. As much as I'd like to see him on the Knicks (especially since he's been practically begging to land here with all his off-season sightings here), I like the fact Rose isn't acting out of desperation. It appears as if Dolan for once isn't trying to impose his demand to act to make an overly flashy move.

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419. "If they're going for Mitchell, they have to ride with Randle."
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If you're the Knicks, you're just in no way receiving return assets that help you win now if you deal Randle. Because if you're trading for Mitchell, it's a win-now move, designed to make you competitive in the 3-4 years left on Mitchell's deal. I doubt Mitchell would be happy in a move if he went from a team that frequently was near the top of the NBA in wins per season to a mid-tier team looking to build. You've got to just say to yourself, "Last year was the fluke, he'll return to 2021 Randle this season."

And I think you have to offer Toppin over Grimes, because (a) Toppin has the "sexier upside" and (b) Toppin is a non-shooter, and if you're building around Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, and Mitchell Robinson, then Toppin has more trade value than he does practical fit value.

If you're the Knicks, I think you offer Obi Toppin, Immanuel Quickley (since he only has two years left on his deal and you won't be able to afford re-signing him anyway), Evan Fournier (to make the money work), two picks, and a swap. Maybe see if they want Cam Reddish instead of a pick or a swap, since Thibodeau clearly doesn't fuck with Reddish. But do your best to keep Grimes for the floor spacing and his 3-and-D value.

I think a Brunson/Mitchell/Barrett/Randle/Robinson lineup with Derrick Rose, Quentin Grimes, and Jericho Sims off the bench is... at minimum a play-in team, with some upside given that everyone outside of Randle is 26 or under. And everyone meaningful would be signed for three years or more, so you can give them time to build together and hopefully realize some of that upside.

Now, do I think that's a lineup that'll ever be better than the healthy Bucks, healthy Celtics, healthy Sixers in the next three years? No. Prob not better than the Heat, prob not better than the Raptors. Because unless one of these guys comes through, I don't think they have a Best Player that makes a massive difference in the playoffs the way that Giannis/Tatum/Embiid/Butler do, and while the Raptors may not have That Guy today either, I just like the versatility of their roster on both ends more, since I think there's a good chance a Brunson/Mitchell/Barrett/Randle lineup is straight up bad defensively. (Another reason to trade Toppin, who's dreadful at defending in space.)

So to your broader point, I agree that I like that the Knicks haven't made a desperation offer here. And I think it's because they realize the highest upside lineup going forward is one that keeps both Barrett and, for defense and floor-spacing, Grimes. It'll be interesting to see if they keep holding the line or if they do a Classic Knicks and sell the farm for Mitchell.


>In terms of what you said about Grimes, given how pitiful
>Randle looked last year, I'm alright with the Knicks moving
>any of the young pieces out of Toppin to be honest. My fear is
>that if the Knicks include Toppin in any trades, that makes it
>that much harder for the Knicks to potentially trade Randle in
>the future. If Grimes is one of the young pieces that will
>have to be moved, so be it. I have the feeling the sticking
>point is the number of picks Ainge is asking from the Knicks
>unfortunately. I'm guessing Ainge is looking to leave the
>Knicks cupboard bare, which will limit them making moves in
>the future. As much as I understand Ainge wanting to get as
>many assets as he can since he's blowing up the team, I don't
>think Mitchell is that dude to mortgage your future to improve
>in the present. As much as I'd like to see him on the Knicks
>(especially since he's been practically begging to land here
>with all his off-season sightings here), I like the fact Rose
>isn't acting out of desperation. It appears as if Dolan for
>once isn't trying to impose his demand to act to make an
>overly flashy move.

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420. "wrong post"
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421. "Donovan Mitchell to the Cavs?"
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423. "Markkanen, Sexton, and Agbaji for Mitchell??"
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That is... quite a fair deal imo. Gotta see how many picks/swaps are attached.

EDIT: AND THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS AND TWO SWAPS?!!?!? AND THE PICKS ARE UNPROTECTED?!?!?!? lmao, yeah, Utah won big imo.

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422. "DAMN!!! Donovan Mitchell to Cleveland..."
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for Markkanen, Sexton and Agbaji.

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424. "Utah got those players, 3 unprotected firsts, *and* 2 swaps. Wow."
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The three unprotected firsts in particular are such a major coup for Utah to get for a non-All-NBA player. And I like Agbaji as a young role player (and if they can resign Sexton, all the more value).

New York wasn't gonna offer anything close to this imo.

EDIT: Utah just announced they signed Sexton to a four-year deal. WOW, dude. What a fucking coup for Utah. I get Cleveland going all in... but man, that's a *lot* of assets.

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425. "Bro, Utah CLEANED UP!!!!!!!!"
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426. "The Knicks for sure have room for improvement on the court"
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>New York wasn't gonna offer anything close to this imo.

but at least Leon Rose proved to be prudent with this decision not to play Ainge's game. Mitchell is a good player and all, but not worthy of clearing out the cupboard of the majority of our picks.

Of course, it remains to be seen what Rose will in fact do with said picks. And also if the NBA will in fact snatch a pick or two back as result of that tampering investigation over Brunson.

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427. "It wasn't the right time for NYK to shove all in, anyway."
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Not for a guy like Mitchell, anyhow.

Keep seeing what Barrett, Grimes, Toppin, Quickley, Robinson, etc. can be. You probably still aren't a surefire play-in team this year, but give the young guys a chance to show what they got. Let their value increase, keep nailing your picks, try to build for another season or two, and then maybe it'll be time to go all in.

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428. "I've never understood the Donovan Mitchell hype"
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He's a good scorer but he is not changing your team into a Finals contender, at all. Three first round picks is INSANE.

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429. "what was Cleveland like an 8th seed with Garland & Mobley?"
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>He's a good scorer but he is not changing your team into a
>Finals contender, at all. Three first round picks is INSANE.

now you add Donovan to that? that's a nice young core.


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430. "He's had some big playoff moments, and he deserves credit for that."
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But I am not convinced the bridge between Collin Sexton and Donovan Mitchell is *that* wide, lol. Maybe Cleveland thinks dude will just always be hurt, and if that's the case, fair enough... but healthy Sexton at age 22 was basically the same player as Mitchell at age 22.

People like Mitchell more than Sexton, largely because Sexton was hurt all last year, and because people don't realize Mitchell isn't a good defender either because he's had Gobert behind him forever (though Mobley might serve a similar function, to be fair). And it's easy to get hyped on Cleveland because that Garland/Mobley/Allen core is so strong, so adding a guy who was the leading scorer on a WCF team will get people really excited... but I'm not convinced they'll be much better with Mitchell than with a healthy Sexton. And they certainly won't be three unprotected firsts better imo, lol.

But I get Cleveland's desire to push all in. That desire makes sense. It's just... a *really* steep push. And it just takes one Mobley or Garland injury season to make that juice seem not worth the squeeze in the very near future imo.

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433. "Exactly. He's maybe third tier on the star hierarchy"
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I mean he's good....but not franchise altering good. I've seen reporters on twitter calling Cleveland a "powerhouse" and a "force to be reckoned with." Did they trade for Steph Curry or Giannis and i misread?

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439. "You're completely ignoring their core. "
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>I mean he's good....but not franchise altering good. I've
>seen reporters on twitter calling Cleveland a "powerhouse" and
>a "force to be reckoned with." Did they trade for Steph Curry
>or Giannis and i misread?

Do you think Allen, Mobely, and Garland have peaked?

Because you're only focused on how Spyda's not an MVP caliber player, as though Cleveland gave up all their talent and he's the only guy they have.

  

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432. "They kept JA/DG/Mobley in the process"
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That trio will improve
They have DM for his prime years

This could absolutely be a contending team in two-three years.

This is about as good a position as they'll realistically have en route to that goal, with or without those picks, absent Lebron coming home while he still has gas left.

It's still a steep price, but I wouldn't call it insane. They're not in position to land any free agents, and they were in position to land a serious, All Star caliber player right now, in his prime, as the kids are poised to also take off.

Unless you think the kids have all hit their ceiling, this was a good move IMO.

  

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434. "Idk. I see him as a ball dominant non-defense guard"
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I just dont see how that makes your team a contender. If anything it takes the ball away from your young players. I dont know, we'll see i guess.

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431. "WE BACK!!!"
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>The three unprotected firsts in particular are such a major
>coup for Utah to get for a non-All-NBA player. And I like
>Agbaji as a young role player (and if they can resign Sexton,
>all the more value).
>
>New York wasn't gonna offer anything close to this imo.
>
>EDIT: Utah just announced they signed Sexton to a four-year
>deal. WOW, dude. What a fucking coup for Utah. I get Cleveland
>going all in... but man, that's a *lot* of assets.

Utah has almost as many picks as the Knicks and Thunder. Main concern is Jarrett Allen's injury history. This move also closes the door on a Lebron return. We're back in the good team conversation in the eastern conference. I just hope we make it to the playoffs and have a good run.

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435. "don't love the cost"
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even though those picks are way down the line.

but the Cavs have 4 actual All-Stars in what will be their most likely starting line up. That hasn't happened since the 90s.

Losing Lauri and Agbaji stings, even as role players I expected them to help this team's spacing and in the case of Ochai, defense.

Sexton got paid. 4-years, $72 million ALL guaranteed.

The 2-guard room got a lot less crowded. really not loving the Cavs wing situation. At least Lauri offered something unique over there.

LeVert probably gonna stick around now. He really has to show how versatile he can be.

Garland, Kevin Love, and Lamar Stevens love it (same with Rashard Higgins who used to be on the Browns), so I do too.

I know one thing. Trae DUNG gonna get COOKED now.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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436. "Sexton is not that far off from what Mitchell is."
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They are both 6’1 SGs. They couldn’t just keep Sexton?

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So let me get this straight… the Jazz turned Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell into:

Collin Sexton
Malik Beasley
Leandro Bolmaro
Ochai Agbaji (14th pick
Walker Kessler (22nd pick)
Jarred Vanderbilt
Lauri Markkanen
THT
Stanley Johnson
7 1st-round picks
3 1st-round swaps

Danny fucking Ainge. Man. Wow. Straight robbed the NBA

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437. "Sexton wanted that re-up."
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The Cavs also had a lot of player in that 2-guard slot (and projected to be).

This trade takes that logjam to essentially Mitchell and LeVert and saves the Cavs a lil money and roster slots (they were really bogged up there).

Lauri was a one year-rental that they kept on a tradeable contract. He would be very valuable on a contending team (and I hope he never plays for Golden State or a team like that as a result, because I liked him for the one season the Cavs had him, showed his versatility).

So if I'm the Jazz, here's how I see it:
team blowed up.

- you replace Donovan Mitchell with a very similar player for less money
- you get a promising rookie (Ochai)
- you get a very good shooting big that can play either forward position

- picks up the ass

Jazz won the trade, but the Cavs didn't lose. Jazz get to reboot with some solid players (and still have room to spare, expect Clarkson to be dealt soon)

Cavs get some space cleared, and they get a young, confirmed talent who consolidates much of what they had to give up.

I don't like the Cavs trading to Ainge but I think I see where Koby is going now.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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438. "Utah went from a perennial WCF playoff team to a lotto team... "
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>They are both 6’1 SGs. They couldn’t just keep Sexton?
>
>Per legion hoops:
>
>Legion Hoops
>@LegionHoops
>So let me get this straight… the Jazz turned Rudy Gobert and
>Donovan Mitchell into:
>
>Collin Sexton
>Malik Beasley
>Leandro Bolmaro
>Ochai Agbaji (14th pick
>Walker Kessler (22nd pick)
>Jarred Vanderbilt
>Lauri Markkanen
>THT
>Stanley Johnson
>7 1st-round picks
>3 1st-round swaps
>
>Danny fucking Ainge. Man. Wow. Straight robbed the NBA

what did Ainge win? Beating out Sam Presti for the most irrelevant draft picks?

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440. "You do understand that winning is contextual, right? "
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You do understand that a complete tear down and rebuild was the goal, yes?
You do understand that a "win" or a "loss" in a given situation is determined by the goal, correct?

The got a ton of picks and young players.
They've put themselves in position to clear their books going forward.

A tear down to position themselves for a rebuild was the goal.
A trove of assets like that is exactly what you want in that situation- especially for a small market.

This offseason was a clear, resounding win for Utah.

And they can- and likely will- still get more.

They net one star, in one draft?

Suddenly, they have a treasure chest of assets to throw at anyone who wants it, if they're in a position to go all in.

  

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441. "It’s Utah, they traded 2 All-stars for the possibility of getting more..."
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in the next 25 years? No free agents are going there so if you’re lucky to get a star in the draft trading them for a “treasure trove” of picks may sound good on paper but good luck lol

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446. "Context, man. Context. "
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Yes, they traded 2 All-stars for the possibility of getting more
That’s what “tear down and rebuild” means

And of course free agents won’t go

That’s why, as I said, a massive haul of picks is especially important for a small market team like Utah

And I think you misunderstood:

If they find a star in the draft, I’m not saying trade them too

I’m saying, they’ll have a ton of assets they can trade to put quality talent around them

The situation between Gobert and Mitchell was becoming combustable
They got out ahead before their hand was forced

Teams rarely trade equal value talent wise
Picks are the valued currency of modern nba trades

Trading one means fielding a middling team until the other starts demanding his way out

Trading both was the prudent long term option, that made the most sense under the circumstances

  

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448. "Right, this is the only option for places like Utah or OKC"
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>And of course free agents won’t go
>
>That’s why, as I said, a massive haul of picks is especially
>important for a small market team like Utah
>

No star is going there unless they get drafted or traded, so why not get a boatload of picks while you can?

>The situation between Gobert and Mitchell was becoming
>combustable
>They got out ahead before their hand was forced
>

Exactly. If they wait another season just to watch the team get another first or second round loss, the trade value of these guys could go down by a LOT. Plus if there’s a lockout who knows wtf happens. This was a better haul than they could’ve expected. The Gobert trade alone may have fucked up the trade market for the next 5 years lol.

  

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442. "I don't think he's that far off here"
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Utah had the best record what 2 seasons ago?


They just gutted that team for a chance to...maybe...build a team that can have the best record again?


In general, I've never understood teams who blow their shit up completely rather than try to make tweaks, etc.


In this specific case it makes even less sense to me because their best hope now is 3-4 years down the line to be...in the same position they have been the last few years.


Bottom line is no one wants to play in Utah. In Donovan and Rudy they had two guys who didn't seem to mind it...though maybe I'm missing something.


Gutting it completely is risk to me- especially in this case. Also seems like Ainge just wanted to come in and start over, and I have...thoughts on Danny Ainge.


Coaching change? Absolutely. Trade one of those guys and some other pieces? Yeah, maybe. Seems a little early for a gut job in a market where no one wants to play.

I'm probably missing something but best case scenario is they take a few years to make a really good team...where their stars end up bolting or demanding a trade anyway. *shrugs*

  

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443. "That’s always going to be the case for a team like Utah"
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There are a lot of factors that lead to this

One of the two stars had to go, by all accounts
Better to get ahead of that instead of waiting for an implosion

Problem is, teams rarely trade value for value in terms of players
Which means trading one practically necessitates a rebuild

So the options then become:

-field a middling team with one star who will push his way out in a year or two
-move on from both while both can collect a significant haul of assets

Option 2 keeps you firmly in the drivers seat, and gives you significantly more control over everything. We saw this play out with the Knicks, as Ainge didn’t bite on their artifical deadline, because they were in that drivers seat.

Financial solvency and future flexibility are also factors, all of which are achieved here.

Which goes back to my point, being that winning is dependent upon a given goal.

Personally, I’m an advocate for getting ahead of things and not waiting until things reach a breaking point. I wish the Lakers had traded Pau, and flipped Dwight at the deadline, way back when. The writing was on the wall.

In this case, Utah hit on a best case scenario, because they did get talented players in the process. It wouldn’t shock me if they come back a year or two faster than anyone expected.

THT could still become something. Colin Sexton could potentially raise his game. Shit, Markonnen could find his footing. Not as an all star, but as a quality player. Or maybe not.

Given the circumstances, Utah has gotten a massive haul, and likely maximized their potential return- and they still have more to deal. Winning is relative to the goal, and they got what they wanted.

  

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444. "Right. If it's true that one or both stars wanted a fresh start..."
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... then your choices are either to completely blow it up, or be the Washington Wizards and win 32-to-38 games every year in perpetuity, languishing in eternal mediocrity.

If I'm a fan of the franchise, and a new era is coming? And I'm not in a free agent market? Yeah, blow it the fuck up.

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445. "I knew they werent serious about the season when they hired Will Hardy"
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447. "Exactly. Long term mediocrity is absolutely worse than a rebuild"
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If there was harmony between the two, or a realistic talent-for-talent swap on the table, than I’d understand a negative reaction to such a swift tear down.

But trading one all but guarantees fielding a play-in team, and that’s the kiss of death if you’re Utah, because there’s little chance Mitchell doesn’t force his way out within two years- and that’s generous, I think.

IMO, Ainge is reading the winds of change before they hit full force, and maximizing the potential return.

  

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451. "And Ainge built Boston doing exactly this."
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He shipped out Pierce and Garnett for a collective of first round picks, some of which didn't hit... but two of which became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.

He did the right thing here, imo. No question. And I'll be stunned if he doesn't build this new roster around switchability, just as he did in Boston.

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452. "RE: And Ainge built Boston doing exactly this."
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>He shipped out Pierce and Garnett for a collective of first
>round picks, some of which didn't hit... but two of which
>became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.
>
>He did the right thing here, imo. No question. And I'll be
>stunned if he doesn't build this new roster around
>switchability, just as he did in Boston.

that worked because Pierce and Garnett were at the end of their careers and Deron got hurt so that Brooklyn team bottomed out early.

Mitchell and Gobert are 2 All-Stars in their prime. I don't know what Minnesota is doing but Cleveland is going to be good for a while so those picks will most likely be at the end of this first round.

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453. "Are they sniffing a title with Mitchell and Gobert?"
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I think it’s pretty clear this team had hit its ceiling. What can be gained from running it back another season just to bow out of the playoffs early?

>that worked because Pierce and Garnett were at the end of
>their careers and Deron got hurt so that Brooklyn team
>bottomed out early.
>
>Mitchell and Gobert are 2 All-Stars in their prime. I don't
>know what Minnesota is doing but Cleveland is going to be good
>for a while so those picks will most likely be at the end of
>this first round.

I mean that’s likely, but anything can happen. What if Cleveland or Minny have to blow up their team for some unforeseeable reason in a couple years? You say the Nets bottomed out early as if that’s an anomaly. It happens often. Teams have promise, then they have a disappointing end to a couple seasons, someone wants out, then others want out, and suddenly they’re a lottery team again.

I’ve noticed you’re anti-rebuild in pretty much every case and I’m not sure why. It’s really the only plan that makes sense for small market teams (or teams in less desirable locations) once they’ve hit their ceiling. What’s the point of being mediocre for another couple seasons and THEN starting a rebuild when your players have less trade value? Cause that’s the other option. Does rebuilding always work? Of course not, but neither does staying mediocre for longer than you should and hoping it all works out somehow.

  

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449. "Gallo, torn ACL..."
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they originally thought it was a meniscus. Sucks. He was a nice addition to what Boston already had.

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450. "After thinking it over... I think this was a good play for the Cavs."
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(Please forgive the length of the below essay. I'm clearly avoiding work today and missing basketball, lol.)

Leaving out my questions (which I'll get to at the bottom) and trying to look objectively at it... Donovan Mitchell is an All-Star who's on the same time frame as Garland and Mobley and Allen, more or less. If the Cavs are going to make a move for an All-Star, they were going to have to trade a piece or two making significant money, and they clearly weren't interested in resigning Sexton. So, really, to take advantage of the possibility of a sign-and-trade? They kinda *have* to go all-in on a star this offseason. Otherwise, in the future, they're having to trade Jarrett Allen or something to get that star piece, realistically.

So I understand the need to make a move--- similar to how I understood Denver signing MPJ to that massive contract despite my personal questions about the wisdom of that. You ultimately have to show, by paying and making costly moves, "Hey, we're not a major free agent market, but we're committed to winning and winning with this core."

Now, of course, the (several) questions I have:

- do I think Mitchell is *that* much better than Sexton? No, not really. That said, he *is* better than Sexton right today, and combined with Sexton's health concerns (and especially with Sexton's clear desire to go elsewhere), it makes sense. Especially considering how Mitchell is very good at playing both on and off ball, so with Garland (who's also good at both), there's some versatility there.

- do I think a Mitchell/Garland backcourt is even *competent* defensively? I mean... no, I don't, not really. Mitchell has been a bad NBA defender for the last couple of seasons at the very least. And Garland has serious physical limitations to his efficacy on that end. Now, could one argue that Mitchell has some *tools* to be a better defender with his wingspan and strength? And perhaps his terrible defense the last few years came from needing to carry a heavier offensive load than he'll have to in Cleveland, combined with Mitchell knowing that one of the greatest rim protectors of the modern NBA was waiting to clean up his bad defense in Utah, so his defense didn't matter as much? Sure. I think, ultimately, they're both 6'1, though. And I know they're not a switch defense anyway... but they just *really* can't switch with this backcourt. Which might be a big problem come playoff time.

- if you have Evan Mobley, do you even need a competent backcourt defensively? Maybe not! I'm sure this is what the Cavs are banking on, lol. They think, "We've got Mobley, we've got Allen, both are really good weak side defenders, both have great instincts, maybe they can just clean up the defense and then the offensive boost from a Garland/Mitchell backcourt is a big net positive." I could certainly see that happening, as I'm a huge believer in Mobley.

- can you win in the playoffs with two bigs and a bad defensive backcourt? Honestly my biggest question, because, if one of your bigs is Evan Mobley, and if he becomes the best defender in the NBA in the next 2-3 years (which is a very real possibility), maybe he just cleans up enough that it doesn't matter. But this two-big lineup gives me a similar vibe to Utah unless they play Mobley at the 5. And if they play Mobley at the 5, then the question becomes, "Why not trade Allen for a better star down the line?" Now, maybe the answer to that is, "We still can." And if *that* happens? We get a Garland/Mitchell/Some Wing/Mobley at the 5 core? I become *way* more excited about this team's playoff prospects down the line.

- is it worth trading that many picks that far into the future if you're not an immediate title contender? I mean, *I* would say no. Because your flexibility in trading for a star or even a major role player in the next few years is *really* restricted without picks and tradeable contracts. And Utah's bet here is obvious: they're betting it won't work in the next 2-3 years, making Mitchell a strong candidate to opt out in 2025, and making it more and more likely any of those future Cavs picks will become lottery in a given year or more. Like, rosters blow up. Happens all the time. Young stars want to go to a different market. Guys get injured. So if you're putting all your draft equity for the five summers starting with 2025 into Utah's hands? Unless you're a real title contender annually and everyone sticks around, there's a very real outcome that you're fucked for, like, nearly a decade. (Especially in a market not very attractive to free agents like Cleveland.)

That said, as mentioned above, I reckon context matters here. You have to take advantage of the Sexton sign-and-trade, and a star on Garland/Mobley/Allen's timeline was available. You won't get another chance to take advantage and snag a guy like this to add to that trio. So while I'm lower on Mitchell than most, I suspect... I think the play from Cleveland, even with all the risk and with the questions I have about their playoff viability, makes sense. You have to go all in some time, and an opportunity dropped in your lap to do it now. I don't think they're a top tier team in the East... but these guys are young and have growing to do. And they don't have a The Guy that's title caliber yet... but Mobley clearly has the juice to potentially become that guy.

(And the question for Utah is... are three unprotected Cavs picks better than two unprotected Knicks picks and a third Top 5 protected? lol a very real question!)

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454. "76ers add Montrezl Harrell "
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Good late offseason signing. 76ers bench was very poor last year.
This year you add Melton, Harrell, Danuel House and possibly move Thybulle to bench (start Tucker). They have way better bench options now

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Free agent center Montrezl Harrell is signing a two-year, $5.2 million deal with the Philadelphia 76ers, sources told ESPN on Tuesday, bringing toughness to a team in search of it this offseason.

Harrell was the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year for the 2019-20 season while playing for the LA Clippers under head coach Doc Rivers and assistant Sam Cassell, who are now with the 76ers.

The Sixers finalized the agreement, which includes a player option for the 2023-24 season, with Harrell's agent, Derrick Powell, on Tuesday, sources said.

Harrell joins a Sixers team that ranked 28th in bench scoring a year ago, trailed only by Chicago and Toronto, according to ESPN Stats & Information research.

The Sixers' ability to sign Harrell became less complicated when he had a felony charge of marijuana trafficking reduced to a misdemeanor possession charge in a Madison County (Kentucky) courthouse last week. Harrell pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor charge, which will be expunged from his record after 12 months if he gets in no further legal trouble.

Sixers star James Harden played a significant role in recruiting Harrell to the Sixers, selling him on a reunion of their time together with the Houston Rockets, sources told ESPN. Harden's willingness to negotiate a new deal with the Sixers helped create the salary-cap space to sign three former Rockets teammates, including Harrell, P.J. Tucker and Danuel House.

Harrell, 28, averaged 11.4 points and 4.9 rebounds for the Charlotte Hornets a season ago. He's played for Houston, the Clippers, Lakers, Washington and Charlotte in seven NBA season since leaving Louisville.

Over the past five seasons, Harrell has been one of only two players to score at least 5,000 points off the bench, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Utah Jazz guard Jordan Clarkson is the other.

  

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455. "Good signing."
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He won't get much burn in the playoffs, but hopefully he can spell Embiid a bit and provide some offense in the regular season.

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456. "He'll *really* help with seeding."
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Cuz Embiid will miss 20-25 games. And having Harrell can absolutely help stem the tide in that situation.

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If there’s a real health bounce back for Harden this season - then they’re pretty easily a top 2 regular season team in the east.

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458. "Would say top 3, but overall agreed."
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>If there’s a real health bounce back for Harden this season
>- then they’re pretty easily a top 2 regular season team in
>the east.

Buncha teams competing for 4th, wide open beneath that top tier... but that top 3 feels fairly safe to me.

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459. "RE: Would say top 3, but overall agreed."
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yes definitely have Boston and Milwaukee ahead
then

76ers
Brooklyn
Miami
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should be an interesting nba season overall

  

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460. "Brooklyn's the obvious wild card there. They *could* be #1."
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Hard to bet on them after last year... but easy to forget they were 2nd in the East two years ago. The ceiling is so obvious.

So maybe I shoulda called it 3.5, ha.

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461. "Suns owner Robert Sarver suspended 1yr & fined $10mil:"
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https://sports.yahoo.com/phoenix-suns-and-mercury-owner-robert-sarver-suspended-by-nba-for-one-year-fined-10-million-161151811.html

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462. "Schroder back with Los Angeles Lakers "
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Good pickup for the Lakers. Now you have Russ, Beverly, Schroder and Nunn at point. Russ seems destined to be traded in the next couple of weeks.

So two years ago Schroder turned down 80 million and has settled for, 5.9 and now 2.64. He's still only 29 so he can still get another big contract.

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Free agent guard Dennis Schroder is finalizing a one-year, $2.64 million deal with the Los Angeles Lakers, his agent, Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports, told ESPN on Friday.

Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka and new coach Darvin Ham reached out to Russell Westbrook in recent days to tell him that they planned to sign a veteran guard to the team's 14th roster spot, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

Schroder averaged 15.4 points and nearly six assists during his 2020-21 campaign with the Lakers and turned down an extension worth north of $80 million during the season.

He later struck out in free agency, however, eventually settling for a one-year deal with the Boston Celtics for $5.9 million. Schroder produced for the Celtics, averaging 14.4 points and 4.2 assists in 29 minutes per game, but was traded to the Houston Rockets in a deal for Daniel Theis. He played just 15 games for the Rockets.

Schroder, who turned 29 earlier this week, boasts career averages of 14.2 points and 4.7 assists across nine seasons in the NBA.

The news comes hours after Schroder and Germany lost to Spain in a EuroBasket 2022 semifinal game. Schroder, who led all scorers with 30 points in Friday's game, played a key part in Germany's deep EuroBasket run and has it in position to earn a bronze medal with a win over Poland.

  

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463. "The definition of “gambling on yourself” and losing lol "
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464. "I still feel bad for the guy. He was delusional"
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I don’t think anyone saw it getting down to this level though

  

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465. "This roster is arguably weirder than last year"
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466. "definitely more volatile."
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469. "You know, this is how they negotiate in the Bizarro World (c) Seinfeld"
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467. "Ime Udoka facing significant suspension?"
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Unspecified violation of guidelines? What… could this be? lol

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468. "if woj has the scoop on an unspecified violation"
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and possible penalty (most likely leaked from the front office)...how does he not have the specific violation? weird.

i hope this dude wasnt doing some weirdo shit like jerking off in front of a female employee.

  

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470. "Do the Celtics have cheerleaders?"
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471. "Shams: Udoka had improper consensual relationship with co-worker."
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YOU CHEATING ON NIA LONG, FAM?

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472. "Right lol…"
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>YOU CHEATING ON NIA LONG, FAM?

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473. "this account randomly tweeted this an hour before the woj bomb."
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https://twitter.com/hijab_creator/status/1572756226953338880

  

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474. "unconfirmed but this is allegedly the staff member."
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https://twitter.com/LakeShowYo/status/1572815289821310982

  

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475. "It can't be the first time he linked with her. "
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She was out in LA before him, but they must have known each other for a bit.

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476. "damn theyre discussing potentially suspending him for the entire season."
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1572820924801646592

is there more to the story or is a consensual relationship with a staff member that serious?
(i guess if its specifically mentioned in the code of conduct then its pretty serious lol)

im speculating here...because im wondering how it was revealed...and why it came out *now*...but maybe she came forward and raised some sort of complaint against him with the organization?

  

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477. "IKR? Must be somebody in the org’s wife"
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Or a hating ass nigga that had a crush on her snitched it
Even still this a whole lot of noise for smashing your work wife. Dumb but we suspending ppl for that now?

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479. "If they are in his chain of command, yeah."
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>Dumb but we suspending ppl for that now?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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485. "Yep, Ume should have been smarter for sure."
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Have to be much more careful once you're in a position of leadership.

I wonder if the league will levy a penalty on Ume on top of what the Celts will do.

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497. "Assuming consent, there's no violation of league rules that i'm aware"
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>I wonder if the league will levy a penalty on Ume on top of what the Celts will do.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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482. "Yeah Brad Stevens might have it in for him for making him look so bad…"
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his first year and outdoing him on and off the court lol

>Or a hating ass nigga that had a crush on her snitched it
>Even still this a whole lot of noise for smashing your work
>wife. Dumb but we suspending ppl for that now?

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478. "I'm here for ya Nia...when you're ready "
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They kinda have to fire both of them...no?

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480. "No"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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481. "I would think so, what kind of respect can he have in the locker room…"
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after this…

>They kinda have to fire both of them...no?

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486. "It's also a big setback for the strides women are making "
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in male dominated sports

They both really f'd up.

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490. "By being a good coach? "
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Idk he definitely wrong but ppl putting a lot on it. NBA dudes know what it is out here on the road. I can’t see them tripping off this.

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484. "There's some rumblings that he and Nia were seperated....."
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...before the incident happened. So who knows?
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491. "They must’ve just separated then or she put on a good act"
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https://twitter.com/nialong/status/1531123551683608576?s=46&t=Os6cM5U9c4lIjR30fvktWw

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508. ""Nia, when I see ya, I'mma Long,.,," (c) Ghostface"
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483. "It's very unfortunate"
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the woman on the Celtics staff that was supposed to have linked up with Ume already has her name and likeness blasted on Twitter this morning. Gotta wonder how things will progress for her going forward.

On the slightly positive side, I believe either the Shams or Woj report said the relationship was consensual, so it wasn't as if she was forced into things with Ume. I wonder of other Celtics co-workers are going to give her the side eye since folks will think she got ahead outside of normal meritocracy.

I have no clue if this is true, but part of the reason folks were able to sniff out the woman's identity is because she is the only female employee on the Celtics coaching staff. Things have to be looking might uncomfortable for her at the moment. Brutal.

She did chose to be in the relationship with Ume, so part of this is on her.

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487. "Clinton/Lewinsky was consensual... but you can see the issue...yes?"
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489. "Ume is an a position of power"
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I see clearly he was in the wrong. He should have been wiser for sure. Even more so if this violates written guidelines, which I'm assuming it does if the Celtics are being so heavy handed in how this was announced.

I mentioned this in a response above, but I'm curious if the league will issue a punishment on top of what the Celtics will issue.

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493. "but "suspend" a coach for an entire season? why not just fire him?"
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>I see clearly he was in the wrong. He should have been wiser
>for sure. Even more so if this violates written guidelines,
>which I'm assuming it does if the Celtics are being so heavy
>handed in how this was announced.
>
>I mentioned this in a response above, but I'm curious if the
>league will issue a punishment on top of what the Celtics will
>issue.

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494. "He just took them to the Finals."
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I would imagine as bad as this is, he's still a valued coach in terms of talent. If the Celts fire him, he'll easily get hired elsewhere in the future.

I'm also guessing this relationship would have became public knowledge somehow and the Celts are trying to clean this up as best as possible to protect the franchise from getting punished by the league or have fans turn against them be not being active in serving some punishment.

I do agree with you that getting suspended for a whole year is very harsh.

Now I wonder if Ume will appeal the suspension or if he'll fall on his sword.

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499. "this whole thing is just weird to me, hopefully more info will come out"
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500. "I won't argue with you about this being weird."
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Part of me wonders how commonplace things like this are behind the scenes. I'm a fairly cynical person, so it's hard for me to believe this was the first time something like this has occurred, either involving coaches, team execs, or even worse owners.

I have to imagine the Celts are being so heavy handed because this would have become public knowledge somehow.

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501. "Phil Jackson was sleeping with Jeanie Buss"
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Yes. It’s prevalent. That’s why the situation is bullshit…

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573. "Dating your boss vs dating your boss' daughter..."
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..again, context is crucial.


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507. "-edit- Fake report. My bad."
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510. "aw, man"
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511. "Not even close to true."
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The "reports," per usual with shit like this, came from a fake account.

I should say "not even close to true as it stands" because stranger things have happened, but the "reports" you reference have thus far come from fake accts.

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505. "Dogg who the fuck is Ume."
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513. "RE: Dogg who the fuck is Ume."
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518. "Lololol "
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>https://youtu.be/CsihHoyqwWY

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488. "Sooo...Nia Long is a free agent?"
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https://digife.com

  

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495. "She’s is Halle Berry difficult, where she is known for being rude "
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and insolent towards people in public and on set. There are a lot of roles she didn’t get because of it.

She’s known for here beauty and being in movies such as Love Jones, Best Man and Boys in the Hood, but her movie legacy should be much greater than what it is.

Looks aren’t everything, especially when the personality is horrible….no one wants to be
around or with a diva…and the woman Udoka got with seems more friendly and
down to earth ( based on her pictures…plus she’s in hoops).

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503. "You're the personification of the argument against human evolution "
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506. "LOL YOOOOOOOOOOOOO FACTS"
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509. "this man edited..."
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and this part STILL remained:

"Looks aren’t everything, especially when the personality is horrible….no one wants to be
around or with a diva…and the woman Udoka got with seems more friendly and
down to earth ( based on her pictures…plus she’s in hoops)."

He said the woman seemed more friendly and down to earth based on her pictures. I AM DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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512. "Bruh's moonwalking through the stages... some neanderthal hot takes"
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515. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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520. "allstah is the President of the He-Man Woman Haters Club"
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i thought this was known.

replies like this are very normal for him.

  

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492. "damn, I remember Allison..."
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from getting drafted like the highest ever, at least at that time, as a player from an Ivy League school. She had a nice little pro career. She apparantly works closely with Ime and Brad Stevens. There's no way they can both work for the Celtics again, right?

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496. "Jazz trade Bojan Bogdanovich to the Pistons for Olynyk and Saban Lee"
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1572942411093127170?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

hes a little long in the tooth but this pistons team needs a veteran presence

we were TRASH from 3 last year so this is a nice addition


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502. "That's a *huge* get for that price, tbh."
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Kinda surprised the Lakers didn't push harder for him.

I've been pounding the drum that the Pistons are a sneaky playoff team this year, and this only helps my cause. Almost certainly gonna bet the over on win total.

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516. "Lakers tax is real, lmao"
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>Kinda surprised the Lakers didn't push harder for him.

I'm not.

Our cupboard is bare, and giving up everything we have for him is a tough sell IMO.

The fact that we've watched cats like Jerami Grant and Bogdan go for such a low price all but confirms that teams aren't really dealing with the Lakers in good faith, and are selling to us at an inflated price.

Not a complaint, price of success and all that.

But it's a reality Rob would be wise to not play into.

I still think we're better off overall trying to find a way to make this work, and finding a deal at/around the deadline, and holding firm if nothing better is on the table. But we have a ton of expiring deals that could be flipped with those picks, and I'm betting better opportunities will arise.

and if not, so what. This offseason, a ton of salary comes off the books we can flip three picks at the draft, and we'd have a better chance at pulling off something game-changing at that point.

IMO, people are a bit too pressed by the notion that we're wasting another year of Lebron, and NONE of the deals we've seen this summer make us a serious title threat.

Sure, the Indy deal has potential- but Myles has peaked IMO, has injury issue of his own, and signing or even extending him is a bad move IMO.

  

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498. "Boston Celtics are a trash ass organization!"
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There are several teams where executives and coaches have had in-house relationships,
and the public heard nothing about it. Boston leaked this themselves. No one is stupid!

As a coach Phil Jackson was focking the owner of the team!

This could have been kept in-house! Dude had a consensual relationship with a woman
within the Org. They could have handled it in-house and moved the fock on.


I’ve always hated the Cs, but Fock them for life.

Now this shit is being circulated as bigger sports news than Brett Farve
stealing money from an entire state.

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514. "WOJ saying 1 year suspension is happening..."
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and he could possibly not be back.
https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1573044505988673536?t=iFdDvQsPFTgXldAQyQRG_g&s=19

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517. "I could not see him coming back as the Celtics HC after this..."
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>and he could possibly not be back.
>https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1573044505988673536?t=iFdDvQsPFTgXldAQyQRG_g&s=19

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521. "That are chaining him right now. "
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He can’t quit. If he does, then Boston gets out of paying him. They aren’t going
to fire him, because they would have to pay him…..so they suspended him. It’s a clever
financial trick and it’s foul…..They are simply trying to force him to quit.

Some one has it out for him. This isn’t simply over having a consensual
relationship within the Org.

No focking way that warrants a one year suspension. 1 month tops with a fine, hell not even
that.

He has been a stand-up coach and doesn’t have a past of irregular behavior…
No way would this happen to a white coach.

This entire situation stinks, and I really feel
for my brother.

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523. "This is one of the few times I've ever agreed with anything you've said ..."
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You are 100% right about this.

This shit STINKS of some kind of vendetta bullshit.

The amount of shit like this that gets swept under the rug and were supposed to believe that the Celtics of all organizations are so noble and righteous that they would torpedo an entire season and fuck with a coach that just came off a Finals run over fucking his work wife.

This doesn't add up AT ALL. I'll be shocked if Udoka coaches this team again. Hopefully the full story will come out at some point.

This is nuts.

  

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542. "I'm convinced it was some exec's wife or daughter."
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Only thing that makes sense in terms of the punishment/vendetta feel of all this.

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586. "This is what I'm hearing. Some VP's wife or something. "
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Which makes it make sense in terms of the severity of the punishment, but then again- it puts more onus on the coach cause c'mon dog.

That's IF it's true.
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596. "Right. Either way, it all starts w/poor decisionmaking by Ime."
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>Which makes it make sense in terms of the severity of the
>punishment, but then again- it puts more onus on the coach
>cause c'mon dog.
>
>That's IF it's true.

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522. "WOW. That dude is catching all time Ls "
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You go from the Finals, to getting outed for sneaking on Nia Long on the job, to... losing your job as head coach.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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519. "Spurs seem willing to take Russ. I say we take that deal."
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If we can deal him straight up, without including a pick? Take that shit.

McDermott and Richardson are two 40% 3 point shooting wings
It fills one of our biggest needs on offense, gives us a decent wing defender in Richardson

It also gives us a little bit of size on the wings on a team full of small guards

If we can get that without giving up a pick, I think it immediately makes us better, while still leaving us with the picks to flip, not to mention extra contracts we can cobble together that may be more palletable for teams than Russ’

  

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524. "damn i called that shit in reply #476. there was a complaint."
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https://theathletic.com/3617945/2022/09/22/celtics-ime-udoka-discipline/
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Some members of the Celtics organization first became aware of the relationship in July, sources said. At that time, team leadership was led to believe by both parties that the relationship was consensual. But sources said that the woman recently accused Udoka of making unwanted comments toward her — leading the team to launch a set of internal interviews.
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looks like theres more to the story than just two adults engaging in a consensual relationship. she obviously had some concerns about their interaction(s) later on.

stephen a smith bout to be in backpedal mode. he was going hard on the 'these type of relationships happen all the time in the business among white people and the celtics made it public just to tarnish a black mans image' angle.

  

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525. "celtics statement sounds like theyre just buying time to fire him."
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https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1573120786403102723

prolly tryna compile as much negative info on him and see if they can legally terminate him without paying.

once the details about whatever unwanted shit he was doing/saying to this woman come out...its gonna make it 10x harder to bring him back (and it was already hard to begin with).

  

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527. "It’s still crazy because Udoka has been around for a minute…"
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and had been waiting on a HC job for a minute you’d think he’d know better than to fuck up like that in year 1 unless shit really went to his head and he thought he could do whatever

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528. "prolly wasnt the 1st time. just the 1st time he got caught."
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hes been engaged to nia long for damn near a decade with no marriage.

dudes like that be internally keeping their options open lol.

nia long is in a relationship with a single nigga lol.

  

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530. "he came up under Pop in San Antonio, I doubt if he did anything..."
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like that there

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531. "You don’t know the history of that man, so quit "
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spewing bullcrap and saying stuff about a man you don’t know.

Up until this point, he had never done anything like this. Keep in mind
he was a NBA player for several years, and he was an assistant for the
Spurs and Sixers.

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548. "*you* coming to his defense doesnt bode well for him lol."
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526. "btw some of yall clearly dont know what a work wife is lol."
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529. "Right"
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You don't fuck work wives

  

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532. "You don't do alot of things"
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That mfkrs do anyway.

  

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533. "the entire definition of 'work wife' is platonic tho."
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if yall fucking then...by definition...thats not a work wife lol.

  

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552. "Yup"
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535. "lol right"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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536. "Is she white? "
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That is all I want to know..

if so, we know why this is happening.

and dude, wtf is you doing???? Not at work bruh.. never at work. She prolly put it on him and dude couldn’t resist once she said chill out.

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537. "White and the wife of a team exec"
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Ime was just moving too crazy out here.

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539. "Where'd you get this info from?"
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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540. "so far thats a social media rumor and unconfirmed."
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if he fucked the wife of an exec...id think they would have suspended him back in july when they found out about the relationship.

but it looks like they didnt take action until the woman came forward and complained about something that happened between them.

  

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534. "Apparently, Udoka was given a choice to resign or receive a suspension."
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That’s what is being reported on ESPN. That’s a total BS move. If you give him
an option to resign, that means they don’t mind parting from him, so fire him if they
feel it was that serious.

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538. "Ime Udoka is an undisciplined dumbass. "
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dude threw away a coaching job at one of the most storied franchises in sports, let alone the NBA over a woman/fling lol.

its Boston, and you're a Black man. The room for error is already razor thin, and now you go breaking clear company rules.

fucking a subordinate coworker is a such a huge red flag / clear violation / walking on land mines. these things always lead to coercion , extortion / me too type claims. when their little fling ended, and she doesn't get the raise promotion she feels she deserves, all it takes is one short phone call to NBA front offices and the Celtics are caught in a shitstorm that could include millions in fines, and docked draft picks

and now reports are saying he was making unwanted comments in an office setting...

sloppy, unprofessional and just plain stupid.



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541. "So what are the chances Udoka coaches the Celtics again?"
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I put it at like 60%.

Seems like they thought this was a fireable offense but that they don't want to pay him. Who knows if that is the case (if it was something they could get out of I'm sure they'd have fired him for cause without needing to pay) but I've gotta think that him coming back a year from now is gonna be awkward to say the least.

The more details come out about this the worse it gets.

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543. "They don't want to pay him *and* don't want him coaching elsewhere."
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And no, he ain't coming back.


>I put it at like 60%.
>
>Seems like they thought this was a fireable offense but that
>they don't want to pay him.

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553. "That probably sums it up."
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The Celtics are in a tough spot, but they've gotta make a decision here. Was this a fireable offense? Then fire him. Not a "is this a fireable offense for ANY coach". Right now they look like they're protecting him to an extent - which...okay, fine...IF you're gonna keep him. But if you're just going to end up firing him anyway then just do it.

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623. "I feel like that pretty much sums it up"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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544. "im surprised you have it as high as 60%."
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>I put it at like 60%.
>
>Seems like they thought this was a fireable offense but that
>they don't want to pay him. Who knows if that is the case (if
>it was something they could get out of I'm sure they'd have
>fired him for cause without needing to pay) but I've gotta
>think that him coming back a year from now is gonna be awkward
>to say the least.
>
>The more details come out about this the worse it gets.

everything you said makes it a lot less likely he will rejoin the team right?

i got it at like 30% now. if we get some ugly details about what the woman complained to the team about...you can pretty much drop it down to close to 0%.

  

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547. "I'm only saying that because he made the Finals in year 1."
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But yeah, it's probably not nearly as high as 60.

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556. "I put it at zero...there's simply no way he can be back..."
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in that building, speaking to players and other members of the org, after this.

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568. "5%"
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545. "Anyone here from the Boston area?"
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Curious how the fanbase is responding to all of this.

I'm also curious if how receptive the front is to the opinion of how the fanbase feels about all this.

Lastly, I wonder how much that Finals trip is favoring into the decision behind all of this.

My last thought on this is that this may be naïve on my part, but a big part of me wishes information on this would come out in one definitive chunk rather than these piecemeal drips and drabs of information that's getting released. The lack of definitive information leads to way too much speculation, which I'm assuming the Celtics front office would want to avoid.

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549. "The piecemeal part of this is probably why he still has a job."
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They tried to get ahead of it before it broke. It didn't really work - I mean, talking heads and social media users started filling in gaps whether or not it was true.

The Finals trip MUST be why he's still employed as well. If he was coaching nearly any other team - I feel like he'd be fired.

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566. "The piecemeal aspect to all this"
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makes me think they don't know how to handle this.

Not that they had to since this is their matter to handle, but I wonder if they went to the league office so they could provide some guidance.

This is all seemingly unprecedented, so I can somewhat understand how hard a decision this must be. All the constant speculation behind all this is pretty hurtful though to so many people.

And for all this to happen with a little over a month before the season starts makes this even worse IMO.

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575. "Like someone else said it’s all about money and contracts at this poin..."
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as to why they didn’t outright fire and he didn’t just resign, apparently Ime’s “violations” weren’t in his contract so the couldn’t fire him without paying him all of his money and he’s not going to resign to give up what was probably a 5 year deal so all that is probably still being negotiated by the lawyers.

They also don’t want to pay 2 coaches at the same time so that’s why they went with the in-house replacement for now and although he denied it don’t be surprised if Brad Stevens comes back downstairs.

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570. "From Boston, and fans are mixed."
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There's a lot of baseless speculation, some anger, but I'd say the most prevalent reaction from fans is about the fact that a team that was 2 wins from a title will undoubtedly suffer on the court over this, and possibly fall apart altogether all things considered. (i.e. the two stars on the team loved and pushed to get Ime the job).

Obviously Boston sports fans don't have a ton of room to complain about anything sports-related considering the past 20 years. But still, it *does* feel like the Celtics in particular have suffered from a strange string of unexpected situations like over the past few decades that have torpedoed promising teams. i.e. Reggie Lewis and Len Bias, of course, whose shocking deaths basically relegated the team to mediocrity (and worse) from the 90s through the mid-00s. Then KG's knee injury that prevented that team from winning back-to-back or multiple championships over the course of that era. Now this, when they're on the precipice of competing in the eastern conference for championship contention for years to come.

So yea - that's, personally, what I'm most upset about, especially since we don't know much about this particular situation so it's hard to form opinions about what actually transpired. And I feel like the majority of fans are feeling the same way, just bemoaning the impact this will undoubtedly have on the team this season and beyond.

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546. "woj is largely useless on this story."
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shams dropped specific details like the actual type of violation, the fact they found out about the relationship back in july, the detail about the woman recently coming forward with a complaint to the team, etc.

but woj is on espn stammering around and searching for words to fill the time, speaking in broad/vague strokes like 'breach of trust' and bad decision making, etc.

both woj and steven a smith seem behind the story at this point.

  

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551. "yet they allowed Woj to run with this..."
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damn near in the middle of the night, with no real details. The little breaking news header with Woj's face on it, smiling is...something.

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558. "its pretty clear woj just got whatever team wanted him to say."
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and he hasnt gotten a single piece of information past that.

shams actually did the work and dug up more facts on the situation.

  

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557. "Woj's reporting is by and large fucking useless."
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I love the trade/draft pick insidery stuff but his pieces are always absolute trash and he's been a mouthpiece for YEARS. It was a lot better when he was with Yahoo.

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560. "he's almost a caricature, at this point"
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563. "woj and screaming a are both generating clicks and ratings for ESPN"
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>both woj and steven a smith seem behind the story at this
>point.

they are both $erving their purpo$e to the fulle$t extent.

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550. "the replacement (mazulla) got domestic violence on his record."
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554. "the celtics hired an independent law firm to conduct an investigation?"
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yeah that sounds like a little more than just a consensual relationship.

  

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555. "brad stevens tearing up and cussing?"
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fam something else going on.

  

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559. "Just said the same to my friend. That was wild."
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561. "Maybe. Ultimately, I think the Celtics fucked this up though."
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I think they thought by getting ahead of the story and suspending him with vague details they thought they could look like a decent organization. And I'm not saying they aren't - but by putting out some of those details, it led to wild speculation and their women staffers got dragged into the conversation (as has been done in this thread) and that is beyond unfair.

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562. "Totally agree."
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564. "^^^^^^"
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>I think they thought by getting ahead of the story and
>suspending him with vague details they thought they could look
>like a decent organization. And I'm not saying they aren't -
>but by putting out some of those details, it led to wild
>speculation and their women staffers got dragged into the
>conversation (as has been done in this thread) and that is
>beyond unfair.

All of this. They were concerned with how they looked getting out ahead of the story, and not at all concerned about the women involved, or the speculation about women who weren’t involved at all. This sucks all around.

  

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565. "Wyc says there were "a couple of violations, at least""
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Christ.

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578. "idk man i think people expect a perfect solution to every situation"
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when it usually comes down to 2 bad choices with 1 just mitigating the most damage.

if they tried to keep this under wraps...then they woulda been raked over the coals by the media for participating in a coverup when the information eventually got out.

and the only *realistic* way to stop people from speculating who the woman is...would be to name the specific individual. and theres obvious reasons why they dont want to do that.

i dont see how they could have handled this any better and still pulled off the balancing act between issuing a serious penalty for the violation, protecting the privacy of the woman, not completely slandering/tarnishing ime udoka by revealing *everything* they know, and still providing a basic level of transparency that convinces people they arent trying to cover it up from the media/public.

  

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581. "Its absolutely complicated"
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And I don't think there was a good way out for them as an organization.

But that SHOULD come second to protecting your staff. Look - you're not wrong in saying it'd look like a cover up but that would have come after a report that said he was being disciplined. Maybe there was a media component to this we don't know about but the C's trying to take the narrative back is where this really gets dicey.

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567. "The media isn’t stupid. Reporters keep asking the same question."
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“You sure nothing else occurred other than a relationship that breached the company’s
behavior protocol?”


You felt his actions were grave and unprofessional, and totally goes against the
culture of the Celtics, but yet you suspend him for an entire season?

Also, they stated that Udoka agreed with the retribution. Of course he did, he gets
no money if he resigns.

Either he did something that was more egregious than what the Celtics are stating,
or the Celtics are trying to weasel out of paying him. He is also going to face financial
penalties and no one else in the organization is being punished..

Here is the funny thing. You’re going to reevaluate his coaching status after next season?
What is there to reevaluate if its a straight 1 year suspension? So that means he is not
going to be the coach after his suspension is up.

That press conference was ambiguous as hell….and Udoka is forced to sit
in limbo for an entire year.

And Udoka’s replacement is a guy with a history of DUI and domestic violence…

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574. "reporters are asking the same question because they already"
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know the answer.

theres clearly more to the story to require such a penalty that his options were either to resign or sit out an entire season with no certainty about his job status in the future.

and the dont wanna fire him and pay him lol.

the shit looks *really* bad that you suspended your coach for some type of transgression with a woman...and your replacement got a dv incident on his rap sheet.

  

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569. "The Lowe Post: "It's messy, it's ugly, and it's going to be really sad.""
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Pulled from Reddit:

"Zach Lowe and Ramona Shelburne discussed on the Lowe Post that the Udoka situation is quite tangled and Udoka sounds like he may be involved in a consensual affair that developed into something else (reading a bit between the lines). Shelburne suggested thinking about what happens in a relationship where a subordinate wants to terminate the connection but feels like they cannot or it is difficult due to the power dynamic. They also suggest that the core details may never be known."

... yeah, Udoka just gotta be gone, man. I don't think coming back is an option.

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571. "If this part is true"
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>Shelburne suggested thinking about what happens in a
>relationship where a subordinate wants to terminate the
>connection but feels like they cannot or it is difficult due
>to the power dynamic.

The league might have to step in since that crosses the line into things not being 100% consensual I would imagine.

Sounds like the Celts should have gotten the ball rolling to get full details on this well before a month before the season starts.

Hopefully a full investigation will be done to be fair to all parties involved.

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572. "According to them, they did."
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Wyc and Brad Stevens said in the presser today that people started to become aware of the situation in July and immediately hired a law firm to conduct a thorough investigation before making any decisions. The report was only finished 2 days ago.

Whether or not you believe that is of course your decision but that's what was said today.


>Sounds like the Celts should have gotten the ball rolling to
>get full details on this well before a month before the season
>starts.
>
>Hopefully a full investigation will be done to be fair to all
>parties involved.

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576. "Is it just me or is Udoka getting way more coverage than Sarver?"
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579. "definitely knocked him out of the news but"
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the sarver story was dying a natural death anyway after he agreed to sell the team(s).

there really isnt much more to cover other than the potential buyers.

  

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580. "And Brett Favre."
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583. "It’s a way juicier story "
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A billionaire being a racist POS is boring. A known POS stealing money is boring,

The NBA hottest rising coach blowing up his career life with an iconic Black celeb over a white woman = $$$$$$
The stuff reality tv is made of

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587. "Agreed on Sarver, not on Favre. "
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>A billionaire being a racist POS is boring. A known POS
>stealing money is boring,


WE know he's a POS.

The general public seems to think he's a good guy.

Ime Udoka is a waaaaaaay lesser known name than Brett Favre. Is it juicier? I guess - because it's a sex scandal. But the Favre stuff is a way crazier story.

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591. "Plus its alot of speculation. Speculation causes talking points, curiosi..."
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everyone can give their opinion on multiple possible scenarios....

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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613. "Sarver will get back in the news cycle"
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when the teams gets sold and when the Suns players get asked by the media what they think about the whole ordeal when the regular season starts.

Pretty wild Chris Paul was on two teams that got sold and both teams were title contenders while that all went down.

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617. "He’s been on FOUR!"
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Of course this and the Clippers but he was also under the league “owning” the Hornets and after his first year Fertitta bought the Rockets. Truly wild.

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577. "malika andrews almost lit up stephen a smith on his own show lol."
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dude was flailing around for stuff to still be mad at the celtics about. just all over the place.

up until the press conference...dudes stance was that celtics perpetrated a grave injustice on a black coach by suspending him and putting his (extraordinarily vague) personal business out there for a relationship that was completely consensual. he said they should have just fired him and never disclosed anything about why lol.

mind you...hes a 'journalist' arguing for *less* transparency from one of the highest profile teams in the nba. knowing damn well if the *boston celtics* just abruptly fired their *black* head coach (that just took them to the finals) with *no explanation*...stephen a smith would be first in line with the torch and pitchfork screaming racism and yelling that the celtics owe everyone a detailed explanation for why they did what they did.

dude has no real moral or principal grounding...so he just takes up arbitrary 'pro-black' stances when he thinks it goes against the grain.

but even still...after *all* that fake outrage about some perceived violation of udokas privacy...after the press conference...stephen a smith said he was now more pissed because they continued to throw udoka under the bus and say he was the only one punished...and they didnt name/punish the other person in the relationship...aka the woman!

malika had to shut that dude down...and then he came back and tried to save face with a bunch of word salad and double talk like he wasnt pissed that the woman wasnt outted. after brad stevens just talked about how pissed he was that women in the org were being dragged through the mud on social media!

  

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582. "He did check her ass though lol…"
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at first came on there telling him to “stop”, he said “I will not stop, this is my show”, and she did indeed calm her tone after that lol

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584. "she aint wanna lose her job lol."
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they all know who keeps the lights on over there.

i was honestly surprised she went right at him to set it off.

  

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585. "lol…"
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>they all know who keeps the lights on over there.
>
>i was honestly surprised she went right at him to set it off.

right he was like “I still got Rachel Nichols’ number” lol

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639. "As he should have."
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Straightened her arrogant ass out real quick.

She tried the same shit with Perk too.

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589. "I mean, he's not wrong in saying"
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That if they aren't gonna fire him why do we know about it

That's the crux of what I've been saying in this thread. Either it's enough to get rid of him (which it seems like thats possible, at least) or it's not - but these half measures by the Celtics to reclaim the narrative really just go to damage THEIR image more than anything else.

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588. "this guy did something foul, that has to be accepted as consensus"
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you wanna debate whether the Celtics handled it right, whether it's being covered too much, whether the punishment is too light or too heavy, whatever...do you

but if one of the top tier clubs in the NBA is cutting out their coach who just took them to the finals, the furthest they've ever been with this group of players, then he fucked up major somewhere

And sorry, it's totally within their right to suspend him rather than fire him. Furthermore, in the court of public opinion it probably does him a favor and allows him to save face a little bit. In theory he can get another job, or even come back to this one...not sure that'd be the case if they fired him with cause over some ambiguously defined sexual abuse situation.

  

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590. "Of course."
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Everything you said is true.

The Celtics deserve scrutiny because this now looks like they were a) trying to take control of the story and b) aren't firing him because he had success in his first year. That isn't really up for debate. He CLEARLY fucked up in ways we don't yet really know - but was it enough to fire a coach? And to that matter - should a coach's record actually dictate whether or not something is a fireable offense?

He clearly violated SOMETHING but we don't yet know what. Totally in their right to suspend and not fire but the way they are doling out details will inevitably lead to speculation and internet sleuths. Clearly, that wasn't the move.

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594. "I think it can be simply summarized as “they don’t want it to get ou..."
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597. "Agreed but like I said above I don’t think his “violations” were a..."
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fireable offense according to his contract to they can’t outright fire him without paying the whole 5 years or whatever it is and he’s not going to quit to give up that money so right now the lawyers are probably negotiating a settlement before he eventually is “fired”.

That’s why they went with the in-house replacement because the don’t want to have to pay 2 head coaches at the the same time.

And even though he’s denying it now with his fake outrage don’t be surprised if Brad Stevens comes downstairs.

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592. "This is kind of discriminatory to me."
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They (Boston) stated and agreed that it was a consensual relationship, and that is what is being reported. We haven’t heard anything else.

Okay, if that’s the case, then why is only one party of that CONSENSUAL relationship
being mentioned?

How is that a fair process?

They want to protect the privacy and image of the woman who was involved, but
what about Udoka’s privacy and image?

That is what SAS was alluding to.

Either they are both protected, and it’s a private, in-house situation, or all information
gets disclosed and revealed.

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593. "Stevens is saying there were women traumatized in the organization dude"
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I know considering the pain of women traumatized by sexual abuse isn’t your strong suit given how you stanned for Deshaun Watson all Summer , but this guy did something gnarly and the noise may actually be appropriate for once

  

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598. "You’re not listening."
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All we know is that it was a consensual relationship, and that relationship violated
company policy. That is all we know, and what is being
reported. Those are the facts.

So, if a consensual relationship took place, where two parties were involved, why isn’t
the other party being mentioned? Why isn’t her name or image being shown?

This isn’t a case of sexual assault or someone being attacked, where there
are victims.

Two parties were involved in a consensual relationship that went against organizational
policy, so why is only one part of that consensual relationship being discussed?

You either keep it private or in-house, or you fully disclose the issues at hand. How
is revealing one party of the issue and not the other party a fair communication process?

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599. "Jfc dude. The issue is the power dynamic."
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Did you wonder why they weren’t impeaching Monica Lewinsky back in the 90’s? Unless the woman has a position in the org higher than HEAD COACH, then it’s pretty obvious why the focus would be on him.

  

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619. "A this dude is a bootlicker"
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And b) when do you think is the last time he held a 9-5 with a hr department? Just let it echo.

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600. "Neither are you, really. "
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>All we know is that it was a consensual relationship, and
>that relationship violated
>company policy. That is all we know, and what is being
>reported. Those are the facts.
>

Exactly. What is being reported currently. It's almost guaranteed that there are additional fact that haven't been reported that will come to light that will change the complexion of how we think about this.

Check Matt Barnes twitter. He just erased his defense of Udoka, cause he said he got some insider scoop that is UGLY and he can't stand behind what he said anymore.

>So, if a consensual relationship took place, where two parties
>were involved, why isn’t
>the other party being mentioned? Why isn’t her name or image
>being shown?

As someone who works with sexual harassment complaints for a living, that is the dumbest thing you could do as an organization. Especially after conducting an investigation that found one of your highly placed officials at fault.

That too, should tell you there is more to come that ain't gonna be pretty.


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"Fair enough…if there is more information that has yet to be reported."


          

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595. "Your brains are scrambled eggs."
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601. "matt barnes got all the details. its '100x uglier than we thought'."
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https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1573377382794379265

he *completely* walked back (and deleted) his previous post criticizing the team for the year suspension.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ci2oIsTsbJN/?hl=en

yeah fellas.

brace for impact.

  

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602. "right. if Matt Barnes is like "nah bruh..." this gonna get ugly."
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606. "Which makes a suspension even weirder…"
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It’s pretty clear that the Celtics have all the info already, so wtf is this limbo situation that they’ve placed themselves and Ime in?

Like, if it’s a consensual relationship that he simply shouldn’t have been in due to fucked up power dynamics, then fine him heavily and try not to let it get public, I guess (cause the internet really ran with this one and now shit is crazy). If it’s as fucked up as Matt Barnes is suggesting, then just fire him and be done with it. Either they’re hoping he resigns to save them money, or they wanna see if they’re in contention halfway through the season to bring him back on some “he’s definitely changed” shit. It’s beyond stupid.

  

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607. "i agree. if it's as bad as people are starting to make it sound..."
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then just fire him and start the healing.

unless they are really THAT strapped to try to have him resign so they don't have to pay?

this whole thing is WEIRD.

i don't understand the Celtic's angle here at all.

  

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608. "It just buys them time...."
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...maybe they alter their legal strategy. They let the hype around it die down some before letting him go. Maybe the team does well without him and it's not longer a bigger deal. Maybe there are looming legal implications cause they may have to $ettle with people.

The suspension works in their favor too in a number of ways.
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610. "Yea we're short on details."
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All of the below is exactly right. There's nothing confusing about what they've done thus far based on what we know and based on what we can glean from the reporting to date. There's undoubtedly legal wrangling going on, lawyers reviewing contracts and "outs" and money etc. etc. etc. as well as, as you said, possible settlement negotiations and things of that nature.


>...maybe they alter their legal strategy. They let the hype
>around it die down some before letting him go. Maybe the team
>does well without him and it's not longer a bigger deal.
>Maybe there are looming legal implications cause they may have
>to $ettle with people.
>
>The suspension works in their favor too in a number of ways.

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614. "I think delaying a decision is worse. It will just hang over their heads..."
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>Maybe there are looming legal implications cause they may have
>to $ettle with people.

I don’t see how his employment status affects that either way. And if there’s any potential for lawsuits, then it’s probably best to fire the guy at the conclusion of the investigation so that the optics are better before those lawsuits.

Their story is they started the investigation the day they found about this. Why would you be wishy-washy at the conclusion of that investigation? I think that’s a worse look if there are settlements on the horizon.

  

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616. "My guess is there was threat of a leak once the investigation concluded ..."
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... so they had to do something now to get ahead of that.

Re: the investigation vs. decisions on how to deal with the findings of the investigation, I think they still have to deal with legal reviews of the findings to determine what they're legally allowed to do, what they should do, what's best for all parties, etc. In other words the end of the investigation doesn't mean the end of legal wrangling regarding what they're able to do and what they should do with regard to his employment.


>I don’t see how his employment status affects that either
>way. And if there’s any potential for lawsuits, then it’s
>probably best to fire the guy at the conclusion of the
>investigation so that the optics are better before those
>lawsuits.
>
>Their story is they started the investigation the day they
>found about this. Why would you be wishy-washy at the
>conclusion of that investigation? I think that’s a worse
>look if there are settlements on the horizon.

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603. "Sorry for the off tangent question here"
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but was Derek Fisher coaching the Knicks the time Matt Barnes wanted to square up with him for stepping to his ex-wife?

I forget the exact time frame for that whole incident.

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611. "yeah...it was the summer before the 2016 season..."
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when Matt got traded to the Grizzlies...but they had training camp somewhere in Cali.

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618. "I think he’s speculating like everyone else"
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620. "Exactly, but that’s twitter and this age of social media"
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If Matt says it, then it gotta be something there…FOH.


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621. "this textbook dry snitching lol"
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im eating this shit up like the rest of yall but id be like “NIGGA!?” if i was doka. he aint have to say all that.

niggas keep fanning the flames and the full story aint even out yet. my guess is doka is done done. its gonna be too much of a distraction.

  

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604. "ime udoka didnt tell nia long til now even tho he got caught in july."
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https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1573330693886775296

that nigga gotta be a psychopath to hold that in until he knew it was absolutely about to go public. this also kills all the separation and open relationship rumors. she sounds pretty distraught.

heres the tmz podcast discussing it if you wanna listen
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605. "He had her move here *TWO WEEKS AGO*"
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That's fucked up.

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615. "yeah that nigga got zero scruples."
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prolly thought it was gonna stay under wraps til shams asked him to comment on a story he was about to let fly (or the team alerted him to them being asked to comment).

  

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609. "This combined with M. Barnes' take = Udoka a demon. "
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That's IDGAF-edness to an insane level.
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612. "btw i dont think the celtics cold leaked it."
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just based on the way the story developed and the fact ime knew exactly when it was going public.

i think the celtics eventually put out the really vague leak through woj because shams was close to breaking his story with further details. and you know when the media is about to drop a piece on you...they give you a heads up and ask you for comments/clarity on stuff thats gonna be in the reporting.

the timing and the vagueness of the woj tweets...and then shams having everything so much more fleshed out almost immediately after it...felt like more than just shams following up on woj scoop. it felt like shams was ready to roll before that and was just getting some things together before woj beat him to the punch in the most ambiguous way possible.

and the celtics statements in the press conference about revealing this now because the investigation just finished up is either leaving out...or completely contradicting...shams reporting that the woman recently made a complaint to the team about ime. i think the team is threading the needle of technically telling the truth about the investigation wrapping up...but not being forthcoming with the *entire* truth in that the womans complaint compelled the action.

in the press conference...either stevens or the owner mentioned there were rumblings back in july (im assuming when the team 1st found out). i dont know if the media was sniffing around, if the team 1st found out because the media was sniffing around, etc. but i couldnt find anything from back then.

  

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642. "It’s clear they covered it up"
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The messiness is due to them not wanting to handle this appropriately when they first heard about it.

Once they heard about it and had credible evidence from an initial investigation, they should’ve suspended him with pay WHILE they did the in depth investigation and figured out the full punishment.

That would’ve derailed their season and they almost got a title despite all of this in the background. The only cost was the credibility of the entire organization and the reputations of every woman that works for them.

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622. "More is coming out, apparently it was the white wife of a white VP?"
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https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-ime-udokas-alleged-affair-was-with-kathleen-nimmo-lynch-wife-of-celtics-vp-patrick-lynch/?amp

NOT Allison Feaster as was initially reported…

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624. "He gave up on Nia Long for that? sheesh"
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She must have been doing all that nasty shit that a Black woman won’t do cause my lawd, how could you??!!!

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625. "Allison Feaster was never reported "
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Which is kind of the problem. It FEELs like it was but it wasn’t.

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627. "It was speculated on twitter like everything else"
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628. "Yes, that's my point."
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635. "just like what you posted lol."
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626. "I understand why he hit. "
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Was he wrong? Hell yes, but I understand why he hit.

Personally, I would not sleep with a married woman of any culture.
That’s not me, but white women are very submissive….so I get it.
There is a difference, so he probably just couldn’t resist.

I love all women, but there are definitely sexual differences.

Focking a VP’s wife is some serious shit…He was probably long dicking
her for quite some time, too. Her husband is never going to get the thought
of a big black cock out of his head…lol.

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629. "he got a danger fetish. white jawn named lynch? ok. nm"
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631. "lol"
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637. "lol"
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632. "I just saw she is not married to anyone currently in the org."
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Apparently her husband is a different guy who used to work for the Celtics.

  

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634. "yeah the scoop is already falling apart."
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633. "fam thats from an unconfirmed bso report."
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the alleged wife of the vp is one of the women theyre talking about being unfairly tarnished by speculation on social media.

bso isnt exactly the most credible sports news outlet.

i mean...heres the entire rundown of the bso 'scoop' straight from the horses mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KOmCOE72AQ

*thats* the nigga whose reporting you wanna believe is accurate? he cant even pronounce ime udokas name right lol.

cliffs:
- ime piping a celtics vice prez wife
- they told them to cut it out
- he said some shit to her
- she complained
- her husband grew suspicious and sent a pi to follow her
- he was found to be piping *multiple* women in the organization
- one of the women potentially pregnant with a child from ime
- the vice pres threatened to sue the celtics and leak all information to the public because they knew and did nothing
- the celtics suspended him for a year in hopes that it would dead the rest of the story from coming out

dude basically admits like 80% of what leaves his mouth here is based on speculation.

i mean...*maybe* its all true...maybe some true and some embellishment...who knows. but you cant run with it like its fact based on this dude of all people. hes been wrong several times in the past to the point that most people dont even post him anymore. he isnt anywhere near well connected to players or orgs.

theres some glaring inconsistencies in that story...like multiple relationships (aka multiple violations) when the org only references one...suspending him a year to make the story go away (as if...lol...plus we know they also offered him the option of resigning)...bso supposedly having all of these specific granular details but not what ime said/did to the woman that resulted in the complaint...her marriage status and who her husband actually is/was is questionable...etc.

i admittedly got caught up earlier and perpetuated an unsubstantiated rumor about who the woman was. i think we should all be careful about continuing to do the same with different faces going forward.

  

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640. "It’s all kinds of stuff out there, now they’re saying a player snitc..."
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https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-boston-celtics-starter-snitched-on-ime-udokas-alleged-relationship-with-kathleen-nimmo-lynch-per-nia-longs-camp/?amp

My money is on Jalen after the KD trade rumors lol

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643. "thesportsrush via blacksportsonline via mediatakeout? cmon man lol."
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i didnt even know mto was still breathing.

  

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630. "Summer Jam screen need Picture-in-picture now. nm"
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647. "LOL!"
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636. "neither shams nor woj reported that a law firm had to be brought in"
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for an independent investigation.

they were basically reporting it like a completely in-house situation that was examined and remedied by the org.

shams mentioned 'interviews' but didnt mention a 3rd party.

we didnt find out about the outside investigation until the press conference.

seems like a pretty significant detail to either be clueless about or to intentionally omit right? it makes the sources (both the leakers and the reporters) questionable imo.

also shouldnt it make reporters re-assess the severity of the unrevealed infraction (especially when considering the massive punishment(s) that were considered and ultimately handed out)?

bringing in outside counsel for a multiple-month investigation based on two co-workers engaging in a completely consensual relationship seems kinda overly reactionary no?

ive been operating under the assumption that the celtics are largely acting in good faith here. but what if theres an actual coverup of details that are much worse than the way they are framing it?

we have consistently seen some bad institutional breakdowns when it comes to being truthful and addressing harassment and abuse (especially sexual)...the celtics projecting confidence that what theyve done is adequate and by the book...while seemingly downplaying the nature of the 'consensual' violation...but doling out such a harsh penalty...iono fam im kinda suspicious now.

  

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638. "Those dudes speculating like everybody else"
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641. "I didn't think there'd be a wilder story in sports this year"
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than You Know Who. But this is coming close.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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644. "hold on Doc, who you talking about??"
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>than You Know Who. But this is coming close.


LOL maybe I'm tripping but I can't think of a singularly major sports story for the year.

  

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645. "Mr. Fun Ball himself"
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n/m

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646. "Farve and Sarver are way bigger stories yet Udoka is the headline..."
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of every sports show

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677. "oh...he's been a selfish prick for so long"
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>n/m

the fact that cracker media has generally lined up to genuflect throughout his career, that he did some MORE grimy shit is just so on brand for him.

  

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648. "affair discovered by husband hearing convo on home doorbell camera."
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https://twitter.com/KevinFrazier/status/1573913055892688896

  

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649. "woman/employee booked travel for udoka and sometimes nia long."
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https://twitter.com/TMZ_Sports/status/1573789580360310784

it looks like the employee in question worked in whatever department handled booking travel arrangements for celtics staff (and their family).

she was in charge of booking travel for nia longs trips to boston and to road games too.

she was also helping out with nias move to boston months after the affair had been uncovered by time.
https://twitter.com/KevinFrazier/status/1573915482557599744

  

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651. "sports media really dropping the ball on this story."
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after the initial flurry from woj/shams...sports/nba media has pretty much been radio silent in terms of bringing new details to the story.

all of the new developments have been coming out of tmz and entertainment tonight. espn was woefully behind the story on friday.
where are the local boston beat writers working this story? they dont have any sources in the org or on the team?

  

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653. "Sounds like a you problem "
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An inappropriate consensual sexual relationship with a woman associated with the organization.
+1 year suspension
= That's all you need to know

I get the impression some people won't be satisfied until they can see a video of the acts

Which is more of an issue with those people

What has been reported is the story
You want tea, that's not the same thing.

Bruh f'd up, ole girl f'd up and those actions are having ramifications in their real lives
You want to be in the room like MJ eating popcorn...why...?

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654. "RE: Sounds like a you problem "
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>An inappropriate consensual sexual relationship with a woman
>associated with the organization.
>+1 year suspension
>= That's all you need to know
>
>I get the impression some people won't be satisfied until they
>can see a video of the acts
>
>Which is more of an issue with those people
>
>What has been reported is the story
>You want tea, that's not the same thing.
>
>Bruh f'd up, ole girl f'd up and those actions are having
>ramifications in their real lives
>You want to be in the room like MJ eating popcorn...why...?

I still feel like if it was an actual team violation Udoke would've been outright fired from the beginning but it wasn't so the Celtics have to negotiate a contract settlement.

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655. "wouldn't the same logic apply to a suspension? Especially for one year?`"
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It would need to be an 'actual team violation'.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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660. "in the history of pro sports I have never seen a coach "suspended"..."
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for an entire season and come back to coach the team.

I just feel like if if had been something like sexual harassment we would've just be fired immediately. A suspension seems like he did something serious but not serious enough to legally terminate his contract.

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662. "i mean sure. or it could mean the celtics are still open to the possibil..."
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of him coaching.

i dont know how the celtics would be able to suspend him for a year but not be able to fire him with cause.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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665. "it's happened with league suspensions, dunno about team suspensions"
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667. "who?"
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669. "Sean Payton"
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although bountygate was always overblown imo. NFL tried to act brand new about that shit

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670. "Alex Cora too"
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671. "I had forgotten about both of those but still totally different…"
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situations, I can’t see Udoka coming back after this

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679. "I think Cora’s situation might be analogous."
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I suspect that whatever happened IS a major violation of team policies, so they needed to do something, but that the Celtics are so convinced he’s the right coach for this team they will do anything to keep the guy long-term. If that’s the case, they’ll want to borrow from the Red Sox PR playbook (something I’ve never said in my life lol).

Cora was suspended by the league, but then fired by the team. It wasn’t surprising that the Red Sox wanted him back, but they very artfully played the PR to give the impression that they were very concerned about the optics of bringing him back, and after much debate, decided it was the right move. There probably wasn’t much debate, but that’s how they played it in the media. I think the Celtics will try to do the same unless some crazy details come out and the call to fire Ime becomes deafening. Imo it’s stupid to leave this hanging over the team’s heads all season, but it appears they’re gonna do just that.

  

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656. "lol agreed. I would be furious if espn was dropping those tmz tidbits"
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especially with so much going on in the sports world.

If there is something that affects the sports side of the story ie suspension shortened or lengthened, new news that affects the likelihood of ime coaching again, etc. then yeah espn should be on it.

The fact that the affair was discovered bc of an overheard convo on the ring cam vs. the sauna is some gossipy bullshit.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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657. "I'm assuming people missed Brad Stevens' presser "
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The 2 woman that have been posted in this thread as the assumed other party
are married and having their name put in this scandal due to no fault of their own, other than being a woman associated with the Celtics
I can only imagine what other women affiliated are having to deal with
We all should accept the facts presented and move on
No one is entitled to more.

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661. "again if they had just fired him most people would have moved on..."
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like you suggested but the "suspension" causes the speculation to linger

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674. "The story leaked, that took away any leverage BOS FO had"
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at controlling the narrative
So I disagree
If the story doesn’t leak, BOS absolutely could have held a presser dismissing the HC with an explanation along the lines of team violations
But that’s not what happened
Because the story leaked we got all this wild speculation

i.e. nothing BOS FO did would have changed anything because the story leaked.

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668. "they aren't dropping the ball. this is a CAA job."
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Udoka is a CAA guy. Woj is. ESPN is in tight with them. now think about how all this played out and you have your answers

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650. "done in by the ring cam damn"
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652. "i wonder if ime was on the ring cam"
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like he was knocking this chick off in her familys crib...

or the convo was just between the woman and another person discussing the affair.

  

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658. "you really really really care about the details alot."
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its weird as fuck.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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659. "robert williams iii out 2-3 months after another knee scope."
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https://twitter.com/brohrbach/status/1574442701168287744

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1573372533826633733

i think dude really did some long term damage to that knee by playing hurt through the playoffs.

i hope the celtics take care of him when its time to reup.

  

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663. "They kicked isiah Thomas to the curb after he did the same ….they dgaf"
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>https://twitter.com/brohrbach/status/1574442701168287744
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>https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1573372533826633733
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>i think dude really did some long term damage to that knee by
>playing hurt through the playoffs.
>
>i hope the celtics take care of him when its time to reup.

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Reeq
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664. "his agent or somebody close to him shoulda stepped in."
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i understand wanting to be out there in the finals but dude wasnt anywhere close to healthy,

  

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Ashy Achilles
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676. "Right"
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666. "Ant-Man is 1 person loving all the attention Sarver and Udoka are..."
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getting...

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34631645/nba-fines-minnesota-timberwolves-star-anthony-edwards-40k-anti-gay-comments-social-media

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672. "He’s 21 on some dumb shit, no comparison at all"
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Sarver’s a documented racist and Udoka it seems is a groomer

  

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ThaTruth
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673. "RE: He’s 21 on some dumb shit, no comparison at all"
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>Sarver’s a documented racist and Udoka it seems is a
>groomer

a “groomer” ?

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675. "Media day is a circus."
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A bunch of dumb questions or slick mouthed comments from the so called media trying to get a negative reply or reaction from players.

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678. "they haven't had access to them for months and had to create stories"
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without soundbites and quotes. Probably the biggest day in the year for them lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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680. "I lost 100 pounds (c) Harden"
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https://twitter.com/sixers/status/1574772982081359872?s=20&t=XIbgVQhJsXtN7JpqCmn0og

He’s having fun at the circus

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