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ThaTruth
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"How did 12 teams pass on Donovan Mitchell?"


          

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I don't even remember him at Louisville
Apr 23rd 2018
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pistons took stanley johnson & luke kennard over devin booker & mitchell
Apr 24th 2018
2
What makes it EXTRA bad is that they had private workouts for both,
Apr 24th 2018
3
their record with Reggie Jackson on the floor is very good
Apr 24th 2018
11
The Knicks & Hornets probably fucked up the most,
Apr 24th 2018
4
RE: The Knicks & Hornets probably fucked up the most,
Apr 24th 2018
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Kennard is good tho.
Apr 24th 2018
10
they'll see. Luke will be 50-40-90 at least one season in his career
Apr 24th 2018
13
on four shots per game
Apr 24th 2018
18
      counts just the same.
Apr 24th 2018
19
           last month of the season he took dbl digit shots 8 times
Apr 24th 2018
21
                wait when did they decide to bring him back for 18-19?
Apr 24th 2018
22
                he has a year left on his current deal.
Apr 24th 2018
27
                stanley had his chances
Apr 24th 2018
25
lolz
Apr 24th 2018
15
He averaged 12/4/2.5 on 47/45/85 shooting in March and April.
Apr 24th 2018
26
if donovan mitchell didnt exist Piston fans would be ecstatic
Apr 24th 2018
28
He ain't DONNIE MITCHELL GOOD! LOL
Apr 24th 2018
33
if the hornets drafted mitchell then clifford would've pinned him to the...
Apr 24th 2018
12
^^^^
Apr 24th 2018
23
Chill they ain't fit the triangle *rolls eyes*
Apr 24th 2018
14
cmon man. the pistons took luke kennard.
Apr 24th 2018
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      No idea how you work out him & Mitchell and pick Kennard, LOL.
Apr 24th 2018
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He was a 6'2 shooting guard who couldn't shoot.
Apr 24th 2018
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Exactly.
Apr 24th 2018
9
he definitely seems to play bigger than his size, I guess that's partly....
Apr 24th 2018
16
      LOL @ Lucky.
Apr 24th 2018
35
He went *up* the board, not down, man
Apr 24th 2018
6
Draymond went where he should have
Apr 24th 2018
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      agreed.
Apr 24th 2018
24
      As far as a collegian he had a better career than Mitchell, cmon
Apr 24th 2018
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           True.
Apr 24th 2018
36
                They also both suffered from the dreaded "undersized label"
Apr 25th 2018
39
their scouts watch the same amount of games as you do.
Apr 24th 2018
20
It looked like a simple two-hander, but the rim keeps on shaking.
Apr 24th 2018
32
lol
Apr 25th 2018
40
Technically 13 teams passed on him
Apr 24th 2018
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I'm surprised he went that high, really nothing about him in college
Apr 24th 2018
30
Nobody saw this coming....
Apr 24th 2018
37
Lol, the 20/20 hot trash takes are always fun
Apr 24th 2018
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9/10s of uppages on this board are precisely this, lol.
Aug 24th 2020
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the funniest part is the knicks now having Dennis Smith Jr.
Aug 24th 2020
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The thing is with young players you just don’t know and it’s funny.....
Aug 24th 2020
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?
Aug 24th 2020
41
Hornets head coach wanted to draft him and Jordan overruled him
Aug 24th 2020
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I will take my L
Aug 24th 2020
43
on paper: super athletic undersized scoring guard with not a lot of expe...
Aug 28th 2020
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?
Jun 10th 2021
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Reply 5 is still the answer.
Jun 11th 2021
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      the guy I can't figure out is Devin Booker
Jun 11th 2021
50
      Yeah looking at him & Donovan being 13th picks Jokic being a 2nd rounder
Jun 11th 2021
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      all of this is gambling and 'expert' just means that's your
Jun 11th 2021
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      Scouts understand that there's a range of outcomes.
Jun 11th 2021
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           at the end of the day there's no way to predict how a 19y/o is going to....
Jun 11th 2021
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                Oh, 100%. That's just a really subjective metric for scouts to measure.
Jun 11th 2021
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                     yeah like I said its levels to the game, we all know guys that were...
Jun 11th 2021
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      Looking at the draft,, I can sorta see what was happening
Jun 11th 2021
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      He wasn't seen as much more than a deadly catch-and-shoot guy.
Jun 11th 2021
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      that draft was crazy too, half the lottery is either out of the league o...
Jun 14th 2021
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      So is Snyder that great of a coach or did Donovan just figure it out?
Jun 11th 2021
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           Never a clear answer. Odds are at least a bit of both.
Jun 11th 2021
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stumbled upon this, this morning...
Jun 12th 2021
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BrooklynWHAT
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1. "I don't even remember him at Louisville"
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And UNC played them once or twice a year when he was there.

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2. "pistons took stanley johnson & luke kennard over devin booker & mitchell"
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and svg has only made the playoffs once in his 4 years.

i really dont get the hype

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3. "What makes it EXTRA bad is that they had private workouts for both,"
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ain't no way Kennard's workout was better than Mitchell's...nope


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11. "their record with Reggie Jackson on the floor is very good"
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like 60% over the last 3 years

year 1 was a wash, the last 2 have been injury filled

im not advocating an extension, but lets see how his last year goes. if they stay healthy, they'll win.

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4. "The Knicks & Hornets probably fucked up the most,"
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The Knicks passed up on Dennis Smith Jr. AND Donovan Mitchell LOL.

The Hornets drafted MALIK MONK over Donovan Mitchell, and as previously mentioned The Pisstons chose some pedestrian white boy from Duke over Donovan.



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8. "RE: The Knicks & Hornets probably fucked up the most,"
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>The Knicks passed up on Dennis Smith Jr. AND Donovan Mitchell
>LOL.

I let out a nice, deep and painful laugh watching highlights from last night's game. I saw a graphic stat on ESPN that he tied a record for getting 100+ points in his first four games as a rookie; I think Jordan was the only other player to do that.

A nice, deep and painful laugh indeed as a Knicks fan.

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10. "Kennard is good tho."
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13. "they'll see. Luke will be 50-40-90 at least one season in his career"
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18. "on four shots per game"
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19. "counts just the same. "
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21. "last month of the season he took dbl digit shots 8 times"
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and averaged 9 shots per game

in 6 of those 8 games he shot 50% or higher and for the month shot 47/42/86

AND maintained a >2:1 A:TO

I hate that SVG is gonna be coaching for his job this year. Bullock/Stanley/Kennard need to be playing 32 mpg each between the 2 wing spots, but coaching hot seats and "reliable" vets go together like PB&J

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22. "wait when did they decide to bring him back for 18-19?"
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and it's not like stan needs an excuse to bury young guys and play trash vets.

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27. "he has a year left on his current deal."
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which he had better be allowed to play out.

give him a chance with a top 9 of Reggie, Dre, Blake, Bullock, Kennard, Stanley, Ish, Tolliver, Moreland

they have been too good with Reggie on the floor to abort this imo. they were 19-14 when Reggie got hurt; if they get back to that, then maybe extension talk. if they are under .500 then just can him.

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25. "stanley had his chances"
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15. "lolz"
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26. "He averaged 12/4/2.5 on 47/45/85 shooting in March and April. "
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So of course he's good. Second-best three-point shooting rookie this season behind Tatum-- and honestly wouldn't surprise me if he ends up the best three-point shooter in the class overall longterm.

But draft revisionists are gonna do what they do: ignore what happened in college entirely, ignore why Kennard wasn't a bad pick at all, and ignore how well the lesser player is doing because the player drafted below happens to be doing much better. It's like saying "why did the Nets take Jarrett Allen over Kyle Kuzma????" Just because Kuzma had a really great rookie year doesn't mean that Allen didn't have a good one himself-- and doesn't mean that Allen wasn't the right pick there.

If you look back at rookie seasons for players picked 12th overall over the last, say, twenty years, I'd be really surprised if Kennard didn't have a Top 5 season of that group. Might even be Top 3-- only Saric and Thaddeus Young strike me as obvious choices to be above him. This rookie class just had an exceptionally deep group of terrific rookie seasons because of some very surprising first-year results from guys like Mitchell, Kuzma, Bogdanovic, and Dillon Brooks.

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28. "if donovan mitchell didnt exist Piston fans would be ecstatic"
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its a pick outside of the top 10...who gives a shit what the next guy does?

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33. "He ain't DONNIE MITCHELL GOOD! LOL "
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12. "if the hornets drafted mitchell then clifford would've pinned him to the..."
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clifford doesnt like rookies.

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23. "^^^^"
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14. "Chill they ain't fit the triangle *rolls eyes*"
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>The Knicks passed up on Dennis Smith Jr. AND Donovan Mitchell LOL.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "cmon man. the pistons took luke kennard."
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34. "No idea how you work out him & Mitchell and pick Kennard, LOL. "
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5. "He was a 6'2 shooting guard who couldn't shoot."
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His shot selection was awful in college-- only shot 33% from 3 and under 40% overall against Tier A competition his sophomore year, not to mention all of the ill-advised contested mid-rangers he'd clunk in iso-- and he's undersized for conventional NBA shooting guard wisdom. Elite athlete, elite defender... but seemed more like a scrappy guard off the bench or the kind of guy who stuffs stats on a bad team more than a guy who stars for a playoff team.

Before the combine, he was expected to go in the 20s. (Source, among others: https://web.archive.org/web/20170401024051/http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/) The draft comparisons I saw at the time were, for best case scenarios, names like Avery Bradley and Eric Bledsoe-- both of whom were picked in the late teens out of college IIRC. And both of them had better college seasons than Mitchell's best.

It's really not that surprising considering what he did in college that he got picked where he did. What *is* surprising is how far he's come in such a short period of time.

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9. "Exactly."
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Just like calling for sure top 5 picks busts. NO. They were the pick at the time and ended up sucking. Guys like Mitchell and Draymond got picked where the they should have and got in the league with drive and a chip on their shoulder and out performed their draft stock and made a bunch of teams regret passing on them and a bunch of interneters revising history.

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16. "he definitely seems to play bigger than his size, I guess that's partly...."
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due to the 6-10 wingspan, plus he's just a physical guy.

I guess like Draymond he just got lucky and landed in the right situation where he had the opportunity to shine.

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35. "LOL @ Lucky. "
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6. "He went *up* the board, not down, man"
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In a world where Draymond Green went 35th overall, I wouldn't call this too much of a head-scratcher.

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7. "Draymond went where he should have"
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31. "As far as a collegian he had a better career than Mitchell, cmon"
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39. "They also both suffered from the dreaded "undersized label""
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But Green played big at least, I really didn't have much indication that Mitchell could do what he is doing until I actually saw him in the pros.

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20. "their scouts watch the same amount of games as you do."
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32. "It looked like a simple two-hander, but the rim keeps on shaking."
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40. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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30. "I'm surprised he went that high, really nothing about him in college "
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screamed lottery pick.

  

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37. "Nobody saw this coming...."
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and if they say they did they're lying..

this happens sometimes...

nobody really messed up passing on him because he wasn't showing he would ball out to this level... some guys just bubble when they hit the pros... Kuzma is another one like that...

  

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38. "Lol, the 20/20 hot trash takes are always fun"
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44. "9/10s of uppages on this board are precisely this, lol."
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45. "the funniest part is the knicks now having Dennis Smith Jr."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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46. "The thing is with young players you just don’t know and it’s funny....."
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when you have self-anointed experts with definitive takes on guys that are barely legal drinking age or even younger

  

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41. "?"
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42. "Hornets head coach wanted to draft him and Jordan overruled him"
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well, MJ and “management” wanted Monk over Mitchell.

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43. "I will take my L"
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had in the list of scrubby ass gunners


I've been wrong lately

About Trae too

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47. "on paper: super athletic undersized scoring guard with not a lot of expe..."
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usually doesn't work out!


dude is the exception, man

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48. "?"
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49. "Reply 5 is still the answer."
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50. "the guy I can't figure out is Devin Booker"
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he's not perfect, but he has all the stuff that people are usually looking for

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52. "Yeah looking at him & Donovan being 13th picks Jokic being a 2nd rounder"
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and looking at the names drafted before them makes me look at all these self-proclaimed "draft experts" sideways

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53. "all of this is gambling and 'expert' just means that's your"
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profession. I was an 'engineer' if you believed my title. I clearly am not, but my profession at the time was considered engineering.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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55. "Scouts understand that there's a range of outcomes."
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Some teams will pick players based on where their highest possible outcome is. Some will pick based on their median outcome. Some won't pick players with low floors. Some pick players with high floors and hope to build. It varies from team to team, year to year.

So player analysis for the draft is never "this guy IS this"-- at least scouts don't do that, maybe some of the dummies on TV do. Scouts and smart draft guys will discuss a range outcomes, and they'll often center in on certain "swing skills." i.e. "he couldn't shoot 3s in college. if he can figure that out as a pro, he's an All-Star. if not, he's a lower-tier starter/bench rotation player."

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58. "at the end of the day there's no way to predict how a 19y/o is going to...."
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respond once he has millions in the bank regardless of what his "ceiling" and "floor" is or estimated to be.

At every level some guys get satisfied with that level of success, some have the internal drive and work ethic to continue to get better.

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59. "Oh, 100%. That's just a really subjective metric for scouts to measure."
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Some kids will come in with internal drive and work ethic. I think the ones where this is obvious tend to be the guys who are drafted very, very high-- or guys who are picked unexpectedly high, considering their current talent level. That sort of deal.

But then you also have guys that just didn't fuck with college who figure it out. Or you have guys who kind of loaf for much of their rookie contract while they're young, until they realize, "oh shit, this might fuck with my money," so then they crank up the focus. Or you have the guys who just won't ever figure it out fully.

And you'll have the opposite too: you'll have guys who are high-character dudes where you think, "they're hard workers, at minimum they'll be really good role players as pros," who then just... don't figure it out regardless of their work ethic. Some dudes can work their asses off, be great in the locker room, be phenomenal in college, and still just never adjust to the pro game.

That's the part of a scout's job I envy the least. You can make very reasonable educated guesses on their range of outcomes due to skills, game IQ, athleticism, productivity at lower levels, etc... but you can never truly know what's gonna happen with the mind of a young man getting to such a competitive level of the sport.

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60. "yeah like I said its levels to the game, we all know guys that were..."
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studs at the high school level then didn't do much in college. Some guys were studs in college but didn't do much at the pro level.

I don't think those guys "fell off" as much as they got comfortable at the level they were at and didn't think they had to continue to work to improve to remain among the elite at each level.

I feel like the elite of the elite at the pro level are guys that never get satisfied and are always trying to get better season after season and constantly trying to add to their game.

Those guys are harder to identify when they are not necessarily "physical freaks" especially while they are still teenagers.

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56. "Looking at the draft,, I can sorta see what was happening"
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That was a very big man-heavy draft. KAT, Jahil Okafor, and Porzingis were three of the top 4. Then guys like Kauley-Stein and Myles Turner went ahead of him. Most of the rest of the guys who went before him were wing/PF types.

The only two guards who went ahead of him with D'Angelo and Mudlay. And D'Angelo was an all-American and consensus top guard pick.

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57. "He wasn't seen as much more than a deadly catch-and-shoot guy. "
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He only took *four* isolation jump shots all season at Kentucky, and nearly every shot he took was a jump shot, so he didn't generate a lot of free throw attempts. The rare times he took it to the rim (only about 10% of his FGAs), he didn't finish efficiently. He also wasn't a very good defender-- a smart guy with a good frame, but not a guy you could count on generating stops at the next level.

So Booker was a shooting guard that everyone knew was a phenomenal catch-and-shoot guy, but people weren't sure if he was a strong shot creator, a strong foul generator, or a strong defender. Now, I had him at 8th on my Big Board (I tweet my Big Boards for posterity for just this reason!), so I was clearly higher than the teams that drafted, because I believed he could shoot off the bounce at the next level... but I do understand why teams didn't have him as a lock Top 5 guy. Four iso shots is a *really* small sample, lol.

Furthermore, this was before shooters were trending as the top priority in the draft. There were six guys 6'9+ drafted before Booker, only one of whom shots 3 at above a 30% clip. In today's NBA, Booker is a stone cold lock Top 10 guy, because even if teams did think "he's just a catch-and-shoot knockdown guy who moves the ball pretty well and has strong positional size," that's just viewed as more valuable today than it was then.

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62. "that draft was crazy too, half the lottery is either out of the league o..."
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their way...

Jah
Herzonja
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Stanley
Justise
Trey Lyles

most of those dudes received a lot of hype on these boards at one time.

Then you have a dude like Cameron Payne picked 14th after Booker that was out of the league and bouncing around the G-league and China and now is back as key role player on team that has a shot at going to the Finals

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51. "So is Snyder that great of a coach or did Donovan just figure it out?"
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54. "Never a clear answer. Odds are at least a bit of both."
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There's no doubt that Snyder's never had anything but the utmost confidence in Mitchell, even in the early years where Mitchell's lower efficiency led to some late game stumbles. I'm sure that confidence has continued to inspire Mitchell to push himself.

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61. "stumbled upon this, this morning..."
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https://youtu.be/xm4JV6jSouo?t=126

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