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SuiteLady
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"Westerns"


  

          

Several years ago I started watching a western a day in the month of August. It coincided with an exhibition I saw at the Eiteljorg Museum in Indianapolis called The Reel West that "explored morality, diversity and American identity as depicted in the Western film genre". Since then I have been to the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum where they have a Western Performers Gallery that "explores the various ways the American West has been represented in literature and film".

Anyway, does anyone want to discuss westerns? Any recommendations?

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RE: Westerns
Aug 02nd 2020
1
I feel bad because every time I watch blazing saddles I feel like
Aug 23rd 2021
93
I've always seen them as ideologically opposed to Hardboiled
Aug 03rd 2020
2
I think all I understood is probably true...but also explains why I love...
Aug 06th 2020
6
"3:10 to Yuma" scratches that itch for me
Aug 07th 2020
9
      3:10 to Yuma (2007) is a good example of some the themes in those
Aug 14th 2021
88
interesting dichotomy.
Aug 08th 2020
12
This post and this reply shows a huge reason why I miss OKP
Aug 09th 2020
15
Wow
Aug 12th 2020
17
Great stuff.
Aug 14th 2020
23
RE: Westerns
Aug 03rd 2020
3
I share your enthusiasm for Open Range
Aug 13th 2020
20
agree with you both
Aug 02nd 2021
49
Dang! That was good. And yeah, that final shootout was awesome.
Aug 10th 2021
75
I am watching Once Upon a Time in the West again today
Aug 17th 2020
30
And again this year! ha ha
Aug 02nd 2021
48
re-watching Django Unchained tonight
Aug 27th 2020
43
Dumas was the google doodle yesterday
Aug 28th 2020
44
Tonight I am watching True Grit from 1969. I saw the Coen one in theater...
Aug 13th 2021
86
      both good
Aug 14th 2021
87
I've been watching the Lonsome Dove series
Aug 06th 2020
4
Love the book and the (first) miniseries
Aug 06th 2020
5
      yeah, the 1989 mini-series is what I was watching
Aug 06th 2020
7
I always recommend the westerns of Budd Boetticher
Aug 07th 2020
8
wow. never really watched any of his stuff.
Aug 08th 2020
13
Watched 7 Men From Now a couple months ago, bangin
Aug 09th 2020
14
So I finished Lonesome Dove and started The Son (AMC)
Aug 07th 2020
10
Thanks for the article
Aug 15th 2020
27
I want to say that the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum
Aug 17th 2020
36
      Damn! Nevermind.
Aug 27th 2020
42
Reservation Dogs (2021) is another show with Zahn McClarnon but
Aug 10th 2021
74
      Beans (2020) has a lot of the kids from Rez Dogs. It is based on
Aug 28th 2022
104
           Smoke Signals (1998) was good! Adam Beach was so young!
Aug 27th 2023
115
                a classic. i'm glad you're mixing it up.
Aug 27th 2023
116
I like 'em.
Aug 08th 2020
11
Today I am watching A Fist Full of Dollars for the umpteenth time
Aug 12th 2020
16
Hell yeah.
Aug 13th 2020
18
For a Few Dollars More is the one I've watched most of the trilogy
Aug 13th 2020
19
watching this one today
Aug 14th 2020
21
      Enjoy!
Aug 14th 2020
22
Yup.
Aug 03rd 2021
53
I watched of Mice and Men. Not quite a western but it has that label.
Aug 15th 2020
24
Which version did you watch? / McCabe and Mrs. Miller
Aug 15th 2020
26
      RE: Which version did you watch? / McCabe and Mrs. Miller
Aug 16th 2020
28
      I hate that movie largely because I despise S. Craig Zahler's racist ass
Aug 16th 2020
29
      I just finished Wraiths of the Broken Land.
Aug 18th 2020
40
      That movie was scary! More horror than I want.
Aug 17th 2020
34
      I watched the Sinise/Malkovich. Adding McCabe and Mrs. Miller to my list
Aug 17th 2020
33
A somewhat overlooked classic is 'My Darling Clementine'
Aug 15th 2020
25
Oh I like that one! Watched it last year in August.
Aug 17th 2020
32
I don't know much about Westerns at all, but my old man was a fan...
Aug 17th 2020
31
I do love Silverado. Have you seen...
Aug 17th 2020
35
      No, I haven't seen it
Aug 19th 2020
41
           Watched Silverado again last night! I do love that movie.
Aug 16th 2021
90
Paint Your Wagon (1969) tonight
Aug 17th 2020
37
Couldn’t sleep so now I am on Hondo (1953)
Aug 18th 2020
38
Dakota (1945)
Aug 18th 2020
39
Dances With Wolves (1990)
Aug 29th 2020
45
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee (2007)
Aug 30th 2020
46
So it is August. As I said in the OP I watch a western a day in August.
Aug 02nd 2021
47
the sabata movies with lee van cleef
Aug 02nd 2021
50
      I watched the first one yesterday. It was kool. Banjo was creepy
Aug 08th 2021
61
I am watching Posse today.
Aug 03rd 2021
51
I remember really liking this
Aug 03rd 2021
52
      I enjoyed it. I would give it 4 outta 5 stars.
Aug 03rd 2021
55
           Hey! that's good to hear
Aug 06th 2021
59
                Watching it again this year/ today via Pluto
Aug 01st 2022
101
Tombstone and Unforgiven are the two 'modern' ones I like
Aug 03rd 2021
54
Watched Tombstone today. It was good. I don't know why it took me
Aug 08th 2021
65
A day after watching Tombstone I am still thinking about it. Crazy that
Aug 09th 2021
72
Yep, Unforgiven was indeed good.
Aug 16th 2021
91
I watched The Quick and the Dead (1995) today.
Aug 05th 2021
56
This one was absolutely wild, if I recall
Aug 06th 2021
60
I loved the shoot out between Hackman & DiCaprio in this one.
Aug 24th 2021
95
I started watching Yellowstone, the TV show with Kevin Costner and
Aug 05th 2021
57
They're making a prequel series with Sam Elliot
Aug 08th 2021
63
      So I thought I was starting Yellowstone last year, but then i realized I...
Aug 01st 2022
102
In a Valley of Violence (2016) was funny and kinda good.
Aug 06th 2021
58
Open Range
Aug 08th 2021
62
RE: Open Range
Aug 11th 2021
79
The Sisters Brothers with Phoenix, Gyllenhall, Reilly, and Ahmed
Aug 08th 2021
64
Yeah, I watched that one two years ago and enjoyed it.
Aug 08th 2021
66
I watched "Breakheart Pass" today and it was like detective story
Aug 08th 2021
67
Did you like The Assassination of Jesse James ...
Aug 09th 2021
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      Yeah. I watched that some years ago and I remember liking it.
Aug 09th 2021
69
Legends of the Fall (1994) was good but it wasn't just a western.
Aug 09th 2021
70
is "post-western" a thing?
Aug 10th 2021
73
Tall Tale was a cute kids western movie.
Aug 09th 2021
71
Meek's Cutoff
Aug 11th 2021
76
I watched this yesterday. I couldn't imagine being lost out there like t...
Aug 12th 2021
81
The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976). This guy likes to spit on ppl.
Aug 11th 2021
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RE: The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976). This guy likes to spit on ppl.
Aug 11th 2021
78
      On the ferry he spit on the salesman in the white suit and he spit on th...
Aug 12th 2021
80
           RE: On the ferry he spit on the salesman in the white suit and he spit o...
Aug 12th 2021
83
Hud (1963) Hud was a jerk! I like the story line. His father and nephew ...
Aug 12th 2021
82
No Man's Land (2020) doesn't have good reviews but I enjoyed it.
Aug 13th 2021
84
Damsel (2018) was a damn mess! Funny.
Aug 13th 2021
85
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (2018) ended up being better than
Aug 15th 2021
89
The Ballad of Lefty Brown (2017) was pretty good
Aug 17th 2021
92
Bad Company (1972) was okay. Didn't realized that was Jeff Bridges
Aug 23rd 2021
94
Have you seen Deadwood (HBO)?
Aug 28th 2021
96
Yeah, I watched the whole series and the movie. Both good!
Aug 29th 2021
97
Wild Bill (1995) today
Aug 29th 2021
98
I like this movie. Maybe mostly because of Jeff Bridges, but still.
Aug 02nd 2022
103
Last Man Standing w/ Bruce Willis and Christopher Walken
Aug 30th 2021
99
The Harder They Fall was so much fun!
Nov 04th 2021
100
The Power of the Dog (2021) was good.
Aug 28th 2022
105
5 Card Stud (1968) is okay. Kinda slow.
Aug 03rd 2023
106
Criterion just released the Ranown Westerns Set
Aug 03rd 2023
107
      Thank you!
Aug 04th 2023
108
I watched the first episode of The English (2022) and it was good!
Aug 04th 2023
109
^^ This show is good!
Aug 06th 2023
111
The Old Way (2023) with Nick Cage was pretty good!
Aug 05th 2023
110
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) was good! I really like the
Aug 09th 2023
112
A few other great Jimmy Stewart westerns to check out
Aug 09th 2023
113
Old Henry (2021)
Aug 09th 2023
114
Yeah that was good. Thanks!
Aug 16th 2024
130
Dead for a Dollar (2022) is pretty good,
Aug 29th 2023
117
Lawmen: Bass Reeves (2023) I saved this for today. I am on part 2 now
Aug 01st 2024
118
I really enjoyed this series.
Aug 06th 2024
126
just catching this post now, think I will do the same this August!
Aug 01st 2024
119
Sweet! I would enjoy having someone to chat with. Thanks for
Aug 02nd 2024
122
Quigley Down Under
Aug 01st 2024
120
The Proposition slaps - don't see it mentioned yet...
Aug 02nd 2024
121
Strange Way of Life (2023) was short and almost comical even though
Aug 02nd 2024
123
4 for Texas (1963) was okay ... bunch of celebs clowning around.
Aug 03rd 2024
124
Criterion Channel had Western Noir
Aug 06th 2024
125
Horizon is great, but should have been a miniseries.
Aug 06th 2024
127
This was good! Looking forward to Chapter 2.
Aug 27th 2024
131
I watched both seasons of Outer Range (2022). More sci-fi than western.
Aug 10th 2024
128
The TV show Dark Winds is good and as we discussed above...
Aug 11th 2024
129
Hickok (2017) was not a good movie in my opinion
Aug 27th 2024
132

howisya
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1. "RE: Westerns"
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>Anyway, does anyone want to discuss westerns? Any
>recommendations?

i feel like it was inevitable i would get into westerns. aside from blazing saddles and tombstone, i think it really started in college, when i borrowed movies from the library instead of studying or partying. i know he's persona non grata around here post "chair" betrayal, but for me it was the movies of clint eastwood, specifically unforgiven and the man with no name or dollar trilogy. i watched the searchers but maybe wasn't mature enough to appreciate it at the time. i enjoyed the treasure of the sierra madre more. at the same time, i was also watching jim jarmusch movies, and i liked his film dead man. into my 20s, i would watch more of clint's westerns (actor or director) but also more spaghetti westerns. i loved ennio morricone's music in the latter; rest in peace. eventually i ventured out of italy (and spanish coproductions) and back to the origin.

i'd rent or stream the occasional western just as part of my regular diet of all sorts of movies, not as a focus. i generally went for well regarded films with big name actors or directors from the golden age but also the odd italian or some other cool and quirky euro film from the '60s or '70s.

i resubscribed to cable in 2014 mostly to watch on demand. even though i didn't have the channels in my lineup, i could watch sony movie channel and mgm hd on demand, which basically were allotments of their catalogs, usually of little general interest and not well remembered even by people alive at the time. i always knew there were a lot of westerns, but i quickly realized just how many of those and military movies were made back in the day (i think there are astonishing statistics out there about the height of westerns specifically). every month i would make time to sort through the new selections, half of which were westerns and war movies. since they didn't cost me anything to watch, i'd make time for the ones with actors i like, notable directors, and high ratings/good reviews. charles bronson made a lot of these, and it's hard for me to say no to him because he kicked ass. anyway, circumstances had me reading a lot of (viewer) reviews of fairly obscure westerns to find the diamonds in the rough, and i considered it time well spent.

there is a wide variety of westerns, not even counting other films influenced by westerns (which can also set me off on a quest) and parallel genres like samurai films. i still really enjoy spaghetti or italian westerns, and i found i naturally gravitated toward hollywood's own post-golden age revisionist westerns, and there was a give and take there with europe. i watched sam peckinpah's major works. i think this era of westerns still stands up and has something to say. i also like psychological westerns, notably from anthony mann. the film logan got me watching twilight westerns. i really enjoyed john wayne in the cowboys and especially the shootist, which i'd already wanted to see for years. generally i'd rather watch something with henry fonda, jimmy stewart, maybe with warren oates or bruce dern in a supporting role, but there are a lot of actors and directors whose names are sufficient to pique my interest.

  

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93. "I feel bad because every time I watch blazing saddles I feel like"
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I should really enjoy the movie but honestly it is just okay to me.

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2. "I've always seen them as ideologically opposed to Hardboiled"
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The Western sees the lack of order on the American frontier as simultaneously a severe moral danger and an opportunity for beauty and greatness. The Western Hero is an Evangelist for the American gospel of individualism and capitalism, bringing order to the perilous disorder of the open, free West.

By contrast, the noir/hardboiled detective doesn't view his action as redemptive, either for himself or the world. For the former, because we are not redeemers - we are helpless and require redemption. For the latter, because evil is a corruption, a lack and not a thing itself. You can't destroy a corruption because it has no content. You can only repair it in small, isolated moments. The hardboiled detective takes a case, and solves that case. He doesn't heal the land.

But that's a really wide brush and these genres seem to have influenced each other a lot. Dashiell Hammett's "Red Harvest" became the foundation of the hardboiled detective novel in the United States, but it also became "Yojimbo" under Kurasawa's care and "Fistful of Dollars" under Sergio Leone's. Criterion recently had a collection called "Western Noir" that also dealt with the substantial overlap in these categories. So even though I like to grandstand about the ideological separation of these two genres, it's not destiny - and plenty of folks have told a Western story with a hardboiled moral arc. And vice versa, I suppose. Though I think hardboiled accidents with Western substance is a bit more ideologically rigid - you can usually tell those ones because the detective will be a cop.

All this is to say that I don't really like Westerns because they are often a type of propaganda that I don't like. Propaganda's fine, if it's propagating something true. But the war against the disorder-as-wilderness in the Western treats the process of re-order as something laudable when it was built on the twin lies of free land (taken by force from American Indians) and free labor (taken by force from black slaves). The Western genre did a ton of working laundering that as something constructive, rather than destructive - necessary brutalities to build a civilization where men could live freely.

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6. "I think all I understood is probably true...but also explains why I love..."
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the Unforgiven. Which is all about deconstructing the Western Mythology.




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9. ""3:10 to Yuma" scratches that itch for me"
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Yeah, and when they make that critique in the form of a traditional western, it works really nicely. Though I think the one way that move doesn't succeed is that even a Western that offers an insider's critique on the idea of imposing order on the wilderness still implicitly treats the open-ness of the West as a shorthand for the idea of freedom.

That's why I prefer the more direct argument offered by the hardboiled detective: because the urban-ness (urbanity?) of the story is a clearer way of understanding how Americans relate to each other. In short - the setting addresses more of us and, because the narrative of the American city is still being made and re-made constantly,* the narrative is more democratic.

*I wish I had a better way to put that. But I remember when I was growing up in the rich DC suburbs that the riots in DC in the late 60s and in the early 90s were both treated as meaningful and transformative parts of the city's history. And not always in a suburban-liberal-showing-moral-horror-at-civil-unrest kind of way. More like the way architectural tours in Chicago talk about the fire: this is a thing that happened here.

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88. "3:10 to Yuma (2007) is a good example of some the themes in those"
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exhibitions I visited. The part of the story regarding how Dan's son viewed his dad, the scene where those guys were torturing Ben and Butterfeild (?) told them it was morally wrong, along with many of the moral decisions Dan made. The values of the American west are on full display in this movie. I do really enjoy this one!

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12. "interesting dichotomy."
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15. "This post and this reply shows a huge reason why I miss OKP"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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17. "Wow"
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23. "Great stuff."
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3. "RE: Westerns"
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Once Upon a Time in the West

The man with no Name trilogy

Magnificent Seven

Coens True Grit

Open Range (trust me)

Wild Bunch

Django Unchained

Django

>Several years ago I started watching a western a day in the
>month of August. It coincided with an exhibition I saw at the
>Eiteljorg Museum in Indianapolis called The Reel West that
>"explored morality, diversity and American identity as
>depicted in the Western film genre". Since then I have been to
>the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum where they have
>a Western Performers Gallery that "explores the various ways
>the American West has been represented in literature and
>film".
>
>Anyway, does anyone want to discuss westerns? Any
>recommendations?

  

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20. "I share your enthusiasm for Open Range"
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It's a great, no frills/no gimmicks western. A simple story told well.

The final shootout is brilliant.

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49. "agree with you both"
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very pleased with it

  

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75. "Dang! That was good. And yeah, that final shootout was awesome."
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30. "I am watching Once Upon a Time in the West again today"
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48. "And again this year! ha ha"
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43. "re-watching Django Unchained tonight"
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44. "Dumas was the google doodle yesterday "
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Interesting how I didn’t do that intentionally

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86. "Tonight I am watching True Grit from 1969. I saw the Coen one in theater..."
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and enjoyed it.

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87. "both good"
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nice cast

  

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4. "I've been watching the Lonsome Dove series"
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The way they just stole those cattle seems familiar. Like in Red River when the main character just takes that land. It amazes me how that is the way of the West.

Lonsome Dove is pretty good! Better than I thought it would be - the characters are interesting.

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5. "Love the book and the (first) miniseries"
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Not even sure why. In some ways, it's as problematic as any other western. But I just love spending time with the characters.

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7. "yeah, the 1989 mini-series is what I was watching"
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Loved it!

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8. "I always recommend the westerns of Budd Boetticher "
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are woefully under-seen and under-appreciated, particularly:

7 Men from Now
The Tall T
Comanche Station
Buchanan Rides Alone
Decision at Sundown

Boetticher would do more in an 80-minute film than most do in 2 hours and with less resources and a more wooden lead actor.

For most of my life westerns have been my favorite genre of film

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13. "wow. never really watched any of his stuff."
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will try and check it out.

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14. "Watched 7 Men From Now a couple months ago, bangin"
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Generally I like to go by director when it comes to Westerns (works for Noir too), since lots of them did more than a few back in those days when contracts were the norm. Of course you have the giants John Ford or Sergio Leone, but I’d put Anthony Mann at the same level (Man Of The West, Winchester 73), or Peckinpah. Nicholas Ray, even though he did fewer Westerns, has to be named if only for the masterpiece that is Johnny Guitar (Run For Cover is décent too).
Boettincher is a great example of a today less heralded name but who did some great work. Delmer Daves is up there too

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10. "So I finished Lonesome Dove and started The Son (AMC)"
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Both shows have a single black character who earned their place in the crowd by having served military service under the main character. I noticed that and then I found this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/10/how-the-west-was-lost/502850/

Also, Zahn McClarnon is like in everything that needs Indian American actors! There gotta be more out there - I mean there is nothing wrong with him, but ... he is in everything.

I think I am going to watch "Reel Injun" next.

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27. "Thanks for the article"
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Yeah, I had a white friend of mine years ago tell me there were no Black people in the West. It was all I could do not to punch him in his face.

Instead, I had to school him on what little I knew of the diversity of the West, particularly the abundance of Black cowboys which I'd learned from my relatively cursory studies on the subject.

There is a long and robust history of Black people in the West and significant scholarship on the matter and the fact that that has not been corrected via modern day cinema is a damn shame.


Spot on about Zahn McClarnon. He's like today's Wes Studi or Graham Greene.

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36. "I want to say that the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum"
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did a good job of telling the story of Black cowboys but, it has been over a year since I was there. I do know they are not overlooked. I feel like there was a small gallery about black cowboys...? Like I said, I can't remember fully.

I want to go back to Oklahoma right around the time of the Black Rodeo so I can attend. And of course I am going back to the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum. That place really amazed me! It was much more than I expected.

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42. "Damn! Nevermind."
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lol

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74. "Reservation Dogs (2021) is another show with Zahn McClarnon but"
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so many more American Indian performers. It is great!

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104. "Beans (2020) has a lot of the kids from Rez Dogs. It is based on"
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true events. Pretty good movie.

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115. "Smoke Signals (1998) was good! Adam Beach was so young!"
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116. "a classic. i'm glad you're mixing it up."
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11. "I like 'em."
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probably influenced by all those weekends by dad would watch westerns on TNT/AMC.

the John Wayne stuff, not so much as I aged (although the cinematography in The Searchers is stunning). Leone yes, my favorite being Once Upon a Time in the West (one of the best films of any genre). most of Clint's western work I dig; Unforgiven and High Plains Drifter especially.

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16. "Today I am watching A Fist Full of Dollars for the umpteenth time"
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18. "Hell yeah."
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Love Fistful of Dollars.

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19. "For a Few Dollars More is the one I've watched most of the trilogy"
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as it features a marked step-up in filmmaking skills from FFDM, Lee Van Cleef and the Van Cleef/Eastwood dynamic, and a shorter runtime than GBE so I can just throw it on. No one seems to like it as much as me but I kind of think it'd be the Empire Strikes Back of the three films if GBE wasn't so damn good.

Once Upon a Time is still my favorite Leone film of all time and maybe my favorite film of all time. If I had to rank his westerns.

Once Upon a Time in the West
Good, Bad and The Ugly
For a Few Dollars More -I sometimes have this in my #2 slot
Fistful of Dollars - Not that it is any slouch and not an absolute classic. It's just Leone got better

I've still not seen 'Duck You Sucker!' even though it is now pretty wildly available

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21. "watching this one today"
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22. "Enjoy!"
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53. "Yup. "
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24. "I watched of Mice and Men. Not quite a western but it has that label."
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I was a good enough book adaptation. I love Steinbeck though! East of Eden (the book) in my jam.

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26. "Which version did you watch? / McCabe and Mrs. Miller"
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I MAY have seen the Sinise/Malkovich version when it came out when I was young but I don't think I've seen the 1939 version before. Lon Chaney and Burgess Meredith is a very compelling duo.

Also, have you seen 'McCabe and Mrs. Miller'? As a so-called revisionist Western it's most definitely a Western but not a WESTERN. It's fantastic.


Also, speaking of non-traditional Westerns, the late Antonia Bird's "Ravenous" is fantastic and one of the only good horror Westerns.

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28. "RE: Which version did you watch? / McCabe and Mrs. Miller"
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I submit Bone Tomahawk also

>I MAY have seen the Sinise/Malkovich version when it came out
>when I was young but I don't think I've seen the 1939 version
>before. Lon Chaney and Burgess Meredith is a very compelling
>duo.
>
>Also, have you seen 'McCabe and Mrs. Miller'? As a so-called
>revisionist Western it's most definitely a Western but not a
>WESTERN. It's fantastic.
>
>
>Also, speaking of non-traditional Westerns, the late Antonia
>Bird's "Ravenous" is fantastic and one of the only good horror
>Westerns.

  

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29. "I hate that movie largely because I despise S. Craig Zahler's racist ass"
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You can tell he's a piece of shit from the movies he makes and the books he writes.

That and being Dallas Sonnier's standard bearer for right-wing exploitation films.

I generally don't have a principled issue w/ regressive cinema or even reactionary cinema of the past (see: The original 'Death Wish') but in these days and times I don't truck with it.

I hope he's in director's jail for abysmal last film ("Dragged Across Concrete" and the fact that Sonnier's company is in deep shit for covering up sexual assault. If Zahler never works again I'm all for it.

Fuck him and fuck his movies.

That said, Bone Tomahawk is the certainly best film he made mostly because it's not terrible in terms of craft for the first two acts before it devolves into his trademark relentless edgelord gorgy.

One could say I have strong feelings about Zahler.

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40. "I just finished Wraiths of the Broken Land. "
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I did not know he was racist. Although some of his characters are racist.

>You can tell he's a piece of shit from the movies he makes
>and the books he writes.
>
>That and being Dallas Sonnier's standard bearer for right-wing
>exploitation films.
>
>I generally don't have a principled issue w/ regressive cinema
>or even reactionary cinema of the past (see: The original
>'Death Wish') but in these days and times I don't truck with
>it.
>
>I hope he's in director's jail for abysmal last film ("Dragged
>Across Concrete" and the fact that Sonnier's company is in
>deep shit for covering up sexual assault. If Zahler never
>works again I'm all for it.
>
>Fuck him and fuck his movies.
>
>That said, Bone Tomahawk is the certainly best film he made
>mostly because it's not terrible in terms of craft for the
>first two acts before it devolves into his trademark
>relentless edgelord gorgy.
>
>One could say I have strong feelings about Zahler.
>
>

  

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34. "That movie was scary! More horror than I want."
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33. "I watched the Sinise/Malkovich. Adding McCabe and Mrs. Miller to my list"
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25. "A somewhat overlooked classic is 'My Darling Clementine'"
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It's well-regarded, and deservedly so, but is overshadowed by Ford's other, more popular/groundbreaking westerns like 'Stagecoach' and 'The Searchers.'

It's got gorgeous black and white cinematography, Henry Ford who could actually act, a fantastic Doc Holliday from Victor Mature (my favorite incarnation after Val Kilmer) and a great dance sequence. It's Ford, so problematic racial stereotypes are a given although it has been years since I've seen this and can't recall to what extent although the female lead is woman named 'Chihuahua,'portrayed by Linda Darnell.

If anyone hasn't seen Once Upon a Time in the West, I encourage them to watch this first to see just how much of an inspired turn Ford's performance was in that relative to this.



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32. "Oh I like that one! Watched it last year in August."
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31. "I don't know much about Westerns at all, but my old man was a fan..."
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When I was about 12-13, my Dad took me & my brother to the theater to see "Silverado." It starred Danny Glover, Kevin Kline, Kevin Costner and Brian Dennehy as the corrupt sheriff.

I remember absolutely loving this movie. It wasn't just a sentimental thing where I connected it to my Dad either. He & I watched a number of movies together and I had no problem letting him know if I didn't like something.

Like I said, I don't know much about Westerns so maybe "Silverado" isn't considered to be any good within the genre. But I was into it. I only mentioned it because no one else in the post had brought it up.

  

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35. "I do love Silverado. Have you seen..."
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No Country For Old Men?

Both of those movies were featured in the exhibition at the Eiteljorg I mentioned in the op.

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41. "No, I haven't seen it"
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>No Country For Old Men?
>
>Both of those movies were featured in the exhibition at the
>Eiteljorg I mentioned in the op.

I need to see that and "Tombstone."

  

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90. "Watched Silverado again last night! I do love that movie."
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The black dress Stella wears was in the exhibition, to me specific. Sometimes I watch this movie and she my favorite character. Last night, Paden was my favorite.

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37. "Paint Your Wagon (1969) tonight"
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38. "Couldn’t sleep so now I am on Hondo (1953)"
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Another John Wayne movie

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39. "Dakota (1945)"
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I do not like the way the single black character is portrayed or spoken to in this movie. I had to look up his name because is sounded like they were calling him something else. His name is Nicodemus.

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45. "Dances With Wolves (1990)"
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Very long, but good. I'd probably seen this growing up flipping channels, but never really sat downs and watched it.

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46. "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee (2007)"
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Pretty good.

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47. "So it is August. As I said in the OP I watch a western a day in August."
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Missed yesterday but, and suggestions? Any topics to discuss?

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50. "the sabata movies with lee van cleef"
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i found them wildly entertaining

  

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61. "I watched the first one yesterday. It was kool. Banjo was creepy"
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looking. Every scene with him in it gave me the Heebie-jeebies.

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51. "I am watching Posse today."
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I was a child when it came out so I don't think I have ever seen it all the way through.

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52. "I remember really liking this"
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Haven't seen it since I rented it with friends in high school, but I enjoyed it a lot.

Seeing now that it wasn't reviewed particularly well. That early 90s western revival was a mixed bag, I guess. But I'm not going to go back on what I thought until I re-watch it. Curious to hear how you feel about it.

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55. "I enjoyed it. I would give it 4 outta 5 stars."
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59. "Hey! that's good to hear"
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I was kind of dismayed by the bad reviews, since I remembered it fondly.

I know they can't all be winners, and that early 90s western revival (seems like you're doing a very cool deep dive on that) probably has more failures than I remember. But I feel like I was old enough to have some reasonable views on good movies.

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101. "Watching it again this year/ today via Pluto"
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54. "Tombstone and Unforgiven are the two 'modern' ones I like"
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65. "Watched Tombstone today. It was good. I don't know why it took me"
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so long to get around to it.

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72. "A day after watching Tombstone I am still thinking about it. Crazy that "
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Billy Bob Thornton was that card guy. And I totally did not realize that was Val Kilmer playing Doc. The movie was long, but it was pretty good.

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91. "Yep, Unforgiven was indeed good."
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56. "I watched The Quick and the Dead (1995) today. "
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It wasn't great but it had a lot of stars in it and I found it amusing to see Leo DiCaprio so young.

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60. "This one was absolutely wild, if I recall"
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Didn't they show somebody getting shot in the chest that was angled, like, behind the shooting victim, through the gaping hole, and to the shooter in front of him?

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95. "I loved the shoot out between Hackman & DiCaprio in this one."
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He was cold blooded.

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57. "I started watching Yellowstone, the TV show with Kevin Costner and "
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it is really good!

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63. "They're making a prequel series with Sam Elliot"
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Im hyped

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102. "So I thought I was starting Yellowstone last year, but then i realized I..."
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needed a premium subscription to watch more than the first episode. I got that subscription during Black Friday sales so now I am going to really watch it.

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58. "In a Valley of Violence (2016) was funny and kinda good."
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62. "Open Range "
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Open Range is one of the greatest westerns ever made. I think its Costner's best directorial effort, even better than Dances. Its such a good movie.

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79. "RE: Open Range "
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>Open Range is one of the greatest westerns ever made. I think
>its Costner's best directorial effort, even better than
>Dances. Its such a good movie.

I tell this to everyone. Criminally slept on movie

  

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64. "The Sisters Brothers with Phoenix, Gyllenhall, Reilly, and Ahmed"
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Hell of a cast. Great movie. On HULU along with Open Range

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66. "Yeah, I watched that one two years ago and enjoyed it."
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67. "I watched "Breakheart Pass" today and it was like detective story"
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68. "Did you like The Assassination of Jesse James ..."
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by the Coward Robert Ford?


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69. "Yeah. I watched that some years ago and I remember liking it."
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70. "Legends of the Fall (1994) was good but it wasn't just a western."
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It was western, war drama, romance and probably more.

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73. "is "post-western" a thing?"
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The other narratives (romance, war) simultaneously contradict and buttress the death (figurative, then literal) of wildness.

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71. "Tall Tale was a cute kids western movie."
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76. "Meek's Cutoff"
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Hulu has a surprisingly strong stable of recent westerns. Hostiles is another good one with Christian Bale

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81. "I watched this yesterday. I couldn't imagine being lost out there like t..."
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Also, my friend told me that the reason why the screen was square was that the audience was supposed to see things from a woman's point of view and they always have those bonnets that obstruct their peripheral.

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77. "The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976). This guy likes to spit on ppl."
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It was a good movie though.

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78. "RE: The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976). This guy likes to spit on ppl."
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>It was a good movie though.

I just watched this.

Surprised that his core team was all women and minorities and the elderly.

Also good to see actual Natives in Native to roles.

Also I don’t think he spit on anyone.

  

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80. "On the ferry he spit on the salesman in the white suit and he spit on th..."
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of several people he killed. He spit right on the salesman's shoulder. That is why he was cleaning his jacket when they go to the other side.

What this:
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83. "RE: On the ferry he spit on the salesman in the white suit and he spit o..."
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>of several people he killed. He spit right on the salesman's
>shoulder. That is why he was cleaning his jacket when they go
>to the other side.
>
>What this:
>https://youtu.be/B85MvaKKHRE

Aw shit I know you’re right. My bad I’ll watch again

  

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82. "Hud (1963) Hud was a jerk! I like the story line. His father and nephew ..."
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were interesting to watch.

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84. "No Man's Land (2020) doesn't have good reviews but I enjoyed it."
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85. "Damsel (2018) was a damn mess! Funny."
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89. "The Ballad of Buster Scruggs (2018) ended up being better than "
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I thought it would be based off the first story.

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92. "The Ballad of Lefty Brown (2017) was pretty good"
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94. "Bad Company (1972) was okay. Didn't realized that was Jeff Bridges"
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until Google told me.

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96. "Have you seen Deadwood (HBO)?"
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Really enjoyable series that broke my heart when it ended.

Young Guns is another movie I remember enjoying, but it’s been a while since I’ve watched it.

  

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97. "Yeah, I watched the whole series and the movie. Both good!"
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I guess that was in 2019 when I did that.

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98. "Wild Bill (1995) today"
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103. "I like this movie. Maybe mostly because of Jeff Bridges, but still."
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99. "Last Man Standing w/ Bruce Willis and Christopher Walken"
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One of my favorite "modern-ish" westerns. I still think it's Walkens best performance and one of Bruce Willis' best films. Great pulpy shoot-em up. I used to change the setting on my tv to black and white when i watched it.

Prohibition-era remake of the western A Fist Full of Dollars, which was a remake of the Japanese film Yojimbo.

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100. "The Harder They Fall was so much fun!"
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It wasn’t perfect, but it was so enjoyable! From the way it was shot - to the acting to the action sequences, dialogue. Loved it! Will watch again by myself because my family talks too much, lol

  

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105. "The Power of the Dog (2021) was good."
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106. "5 Card Stud (1968) is okay. Kinda slow."
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107. "Criterion just released the Ranown Westerns Set "
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https://www.criterion.com/boxsets/6702-the-ranown-westerns-five-films-directed-by-budd-boetticher

Budd Boetticher's westerns with Randolph Scott:

The Tall T
Decision at Sundown
Buchanan Rides Alone
Ride Lonesome
Comanche Station

The Tall T and Comanche Station are my two favorites of these. All 70-some-odd minutes. Boetticher could do more in 70 minutes than most filmmakers do in 140 these days

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108. "Thank you!"
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109. "I watched the first episode of The English (2022) and it was good!"
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I want to watch this one with my uncle so I am trying not to get to far ahead of him / trying to wait on him to also watch the first episode.

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111. "^^ This show is good!"
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110. "The Old Way (2023) with Nick Cage was pretty good!"
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112. "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) was good! I really like the"
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actor James Stewart though.

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113. "A few other great Jimmy Stewart westerns to check out"
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Destry Rides Again - a western-comedy with Marlene Dietrich

The "psychological westerns" he did with director Anthony Mann:
Winchester '73
The Naked Spur
The Man From Laramie
Far Country - I don't remember being as big a fan of this one


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114. "Old Henry (2021) "
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Randomly watched it last night. Holy shit this is the best western ive seen in a long long time. Tim Blake Nelson is INCREDIBLE.

Watch this movie ASAP if you love westerns.

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130. "Yeah that was good. Thanks!"
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117. "Dead for a Dollar (2022) is pretty good,"
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118. "Lawmen: Bass Reeves (2023) I saved this for today. I am on part 2 now"
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and I am enjoying it. Any thoughts from others who have seen it?

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126. "I really enjoyed this series."
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119. "just catching this post now, think I will do the same this August!"
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>Several years ago I started watching a western a day in the
>month of August.

been on a big Western kick lately. I saw The Wild Bunch for the first time in 70mm recently. It was gorgeous and I enjoyed it, though I wouldn't hold it up there with the greatest Westerns I've seen. Normally I love when every character in a western is morally ambiguous, but this time I was struggling to find anyone to root for.

Still, the shootouts in this movie are BANANAS. Worth seeing for that alone. Also it has a few scenes where the gang are just kinda sitting around and laughing for several minutes at a time and that was oddly enjoyable lol.

>Anyway, does anyone want to discuss westerns? Any
>recommendations?

my favorite movie of the year so far has been The Last Stop in Yuma County. More of a crime movie in a western setting with a hefty dose of comedy. I'm a big Jim Cummings fan, so it really hit the spot. Highly recommend.

  

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122. "Sweet! I would enjoy having someone to chat with. Thanks for"
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the recommendation. It is already on my list.

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120. "Quigley Down Under"
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121. "The Proposition slaps - don't see it mentioned yet..."
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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421238/

  

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123. "Strange Way of Life (2023) was short and almost comical even though "
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it is not a comedy.

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124. "4 for Texas (1963) was okay ... bunch of celebs clowning around."
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125. "Criterion Channel had Western Noir"
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And regret not watching that channel while it was up.

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127. "Horizon is great, but should have been a miniseries. "
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Kevin Costner made an epic, but the fact that its obviously leading to part 2 hurts the film on its own. Great movie though.

Viggo Mortenson also directed a western that just came to streaming

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131. "This was good! Looking forward to Chapter 2."
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128. "I watched both seasons of Outer Range (2022). More sci-fi than western."
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I won't return for season 3.

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129. "The TV show Dark Winds is good and as we discussed above..."
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Zahn McClarnon is in EVERYTHING. Dude is good at what he does!

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132. "Hickok (2017) was not a good movie in my opinion "
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