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"Gang Starr has the best 4 album run right?"


  

          

Step in the Arena through Moment of Truth are classics to me. OutKast is close imo but Stankonia got some tracks I don't love. Still a dope album! I would include De La Soul too but I'm not the biggest fan of 3 Feet High and Rising. De La Soul Is Dead was my introduction to them and that's a much better album imo. What other groups/artists have great 4 album runs? I'm talking hip hop but it doesn't have to be hip hop related. I know Stevie and Prince will get mentioned.

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EPMD and Eric B and Rakim have strong arguments too
Feb 07th 2021
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If it wasn't for the 2nd album, De La would be the top
Feb 07th 2021
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Uh say what now
Feb 07th 2021
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      if it wasn't for falling off with a terrible 2nd album, De La would be
Feb 07th 2021
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           Is this a bit?
Feb 07th 2021
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           Nah, just dissing some crap
Feb 07th 2021
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           Not sure and don't care anymore.
Feb 08th 2021
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                those who put 3 feet high at the top (which several did in that
Feb 08th 2021
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                     Those who call DLSID "terrible" and "some crap" (which you did ...
Feb 08th 2021
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                          nah...really lovin' 3 feet usually means hating that wack fall off 2nd a...
Feb 08th 2021
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                               Nah. That means you have miserable taste.
Feb 08th 2021
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                                    you just don't love 3 feet like those who put it at the top do
Feb 08th 2021
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           What do you know about music hamster penis?
Feb 08th 2021
32
           I put 3 feet at the top like several others do pal
Feb 08th 2021
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           What are they sayin, man?
Feb 08th 2021
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                "difficult speaking is Posdnuos pleasure..."
Feb 08th 2021
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                     De La Soul is Dead.
Feb 08th 2021
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           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Feb 18th 2021
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                I set my dominance for any to challenge in the live music post
Feb 19th 2021
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           it is possible to like 3 feet high more yet dead still being great/class...
Feb 08th 2021
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                RE: it is possible to like 3 feet high more yet dead still being great/c...
Feb 28th 2021
128
RZA (producer)
Feb 07th 2021
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RE: RZA (producer)
Feb 07th 2021
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I'm putting Premier's 3 album run against that
Feb 08th 2021
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      May as well add Wrath Of The Math
Feb 08th 2021
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           I mean... you could go backwards to Daily Operation and Return of the Bo...
Feb 08th 2021
34
tical
Feb 08th 2021
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      I really liked Tical at the time but it doesn't hold up very well
Feb 08th 2021
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      Make a better album than Tical
Oct 15th 2021
143
I still have OutKast and De La over Gang Starr
Feb 07th 2021
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I'm a big Kendrick fan, but would his run of albums count?
Feb 07th 2021
10
DAMN is completely trash bruh
Feb 07th 2021
12
Wow. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that
Feb 08th 2021
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RE: Wow. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that
Feb 08th 2021
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      We'll have to agree to disagree
Feb 08th 2021
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You're tripping.
Feb 18th 2021
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is section 80 worthy though?
Feb 19th 2021
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      Section 80 and GKMC are his only ones I’ve been able to get into
Feb 19th 2021
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      DAMN grew on me.
Feb 19th 2021
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           RE: DAMN grew on me.
Feb 19th 2021
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      I just wanted to cape for Kendrick by including Section.80
Feb 20th 2021
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OutKast and it really isn’t close
Feb 07th 2021
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stankonia over step in the arena??
Feb 08th 2021
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      They’re all classics
Feb 08th 2021
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The first four by PE
Feb 08th 2021
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Eric B. & Rakim. EPMD. Redman had a great run too.
Feb 08th 2021
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I was gonna mention Redman
Feb 08th 2021
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Wow @ Redman ahead of Gang Starr...
Feb 08th 2021
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Can we count BDP's albums and KRS-One's first solo album?
Feb 08th 2021
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I'm fine with counting the first four BDP albums period
Feb 08th 2021
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      lol @ most all-time lists having names like...
Feb 08th 2021
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      WORD.
Feb 09th 2021
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      Edutainment is amazing
Feb 10th 2021
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      RE: I'm fine with counting the first four BDP albums period
Oct 11th 2021
141
Tribe is up there for me too!
Feb 08th 2021
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PUTS
Feb 08th 2021
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Well, yeah. But I wasn't going to go there
Feb 09th 2021
48
Scarface, and you could start and stop in a lot of different places
Feb 08th 2021
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If Ice Cube retires in 1992 he's arguably the GOAT
Feb 09th 2021
46
if we count groups, Pharoahe, Ghostface and DOOM want a word....
Feb 09th 2021
47
I can’t co-sign Monch
Feb 09th 2021
51
      solo career i agree.. but if you count OK releases???
Feb 10th 2021
60
           They have one classic
Feb 10th 2021
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It's easy to forget now just how good of an MC he was back then
Feb 09th 2021
50
In conclusion...
Feb 09th 2021
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You really think that’s all they put Nas up there for?
Feb 09th 2021
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His other classic had 14 tracks plus the intro, on the tape
Feb 09th 2021
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I think the Roots need more love here
Feb 09th 2021
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Thanks for posting this
Feb 09th 2021
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I meant to the other day as well.
Feb 09th 2021
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I agree with this
Feb 09th 2021
57
good point
Feb 10th 2021
58
TFA is a top ten for me
Feb 10th 2021
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I'm in line with this.
Feb 10th 2021
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this board hates Phren tho
Feb 18th 2021
69
Not for nothing, Busta's first 4.......
Feb 10th 2021
63
There are many
Feb 10th 2021
65
Guru can't go toe to toe with Big Boi OR Andre
Feb 18th 2021
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and yet...
Feb 24th 2021
105
      That's ....................... highly debatable.
Feb 24th 2021
108
Common might outperform this four
Feb 18th 2021
70
Electric Circus was before Be tho....
Feb 19th 2021
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well then 5, because Electric Circus is a classic too
Feb 19th 2021
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      RE: well then 5, because Electric Circus is a classic too
Feb 19th 2021
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           Electric Circus >>>>>>>>>> Be
Feb 19th 2021
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                I think Be is great but EC was way more interesting.
Feb 19th 2021
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                Neither is a classic. LWFC is his classic that can’t be argued
Feb 19th 2021
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                     Hm Resurrection *and* LWFC can't be argued, IMO.
Feb 19th 2021
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                          Most of the production on Resurrection is “good” not great, IMO
Feb 19th 2021
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                          Doesn't mean it's not classic haha.
Feb 19th 2021
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                          Shit is great to me *shrug*
Feb 19th 2021
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                               Haha me too. Perfect for Common.
Feb 19th 2021
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                                    Word...Life and Resurrection are perfect albums IMO
Feb 19th 2021
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                                         Oh hell yea - agreed fully.
Feb 19th 2021
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                                         I’m revisiting now for the first time in years
Oct 10th 2021
140
                          yeah i think objectively those two cant be argued
Feb 19th 2021
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                               Definitely. One Day is my favorite Common album.
Feb 19th 2021
90
Self titled ?!
Feb 19th 2021
79
someone didnt fact check their soulseek files lol
Feb 19th 2021
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      Ah... soulseek
Feb 20th 2021
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Not even Common believes this
Feb 24th 2021
104
its kanye west. impeccable *5* album run.
Feb 23rd 2021
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thats fair
Feb 23rd 2021
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Nope
Feb 23rd 2021
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RE: Kanye is the Zack Snyder of Hip Hop
Feb 23rd 2021
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Yep...art for dumb people
Feb 23rd 2021
100
LOL YIKES
Feb 25th 2021
113
RE: Kanye is the Michael Bay of Hip Hop
Oct 11th 2021
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808s is poo poo.
Feb 23rd 2021
99
808’s is boring and MBDTF is the douchiest album ever
Feb 23rd 2021
101
Tend to agree. MBD grew on me a little.
Feb 23rd 2021
103
for me to poop on
Feb 23rd 2021
102
RE: its kanye west. impeccable *5* album run.
Feb 24th 2021
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So we forgot about the Villain already????!!!!
Feb 24th 2021
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Hell no. Response #56.
Feb 24th 2021
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Actually...reply 47
Feb 24th 2021
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      Haha woops.
Feb 25th 2021
112
DOOM def had a dope run 99-05
Feb 26th 2021
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      Agree re: VV2 and Born Like This but ...
Feb 26th 2021
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           I agree as well...
Feb 26th 2021
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I KNOW this wasn’t the narrative back then but...LL Cool J
Feb 24th 2021
111
Good mention
Feb 27th 2021
127
RE: Gang Starr has the best 4 album run right?
Feb 26th 2021
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RE: Gang Starr has the best 4 album run right?
Feb 26th 2021
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I suggest you leave
Feb 26th 2021
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RE: I suggest you leave
Feb 26th 2021
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I didn’t think Eminem fans even liked Encore
Feb 26th 2021
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RE: I didn’t think Eminem fans even liked Encore
Feb 26th 2021
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      ^^^ignore this alias
Feb 26th 2021
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      RE: ^^^ignore this alias
Feb 26th 2021
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      Just say you liked the Triumph the Insult Comic Dog voices my man
Feb 26th 2021
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           RE: Just say you liked the Triumph the Insult Comic Dog voices my man
Feb 26th 2021
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                You got all weird about it....why?
Feb 28th 2021
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                     RE: You got all weird about it....why?
Feb 28th 2021
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                          I didn’t tell you to leave, but appreciate the response even though......
Feb 28th 2021
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                          RE: I didn’t tell you to leave, but appreciate the response even thoug...
Feb 28th 2021
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                          RE: I didn’t tell you to leave, but appreciate the response even thoug...
Feb 28th 2021
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                          RE: I didn’t tell you to leave, but appreciate the response even thoug...
Feb 28th 2021
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                          ^^^this gotta be Hailey yo
Feb 28th 2021
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                               RE: ^^^this gotta be Hailey yo
Feb 28th 2021
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SSLP, MMLP, Encore
Feb 28th 2021
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      RE: SSLP, MMLP, Encore
Feb 28th 2021
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      RE: SSLP, MMLP, Encore
Feb 28th 2021
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DJR
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1. "EPMD and Eric B and Rakim have strong arguments too"
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2. "If it wasn't for the 2nd album, De La would be the top"
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but that 2nd album.....

  

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4. "Uh say what now"
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>but that 2nd album.....

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6. "if it wasn't for falling off with a terrible 2nd album, De La would be"
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in the running for a great 4 albums run

  

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7. "Is this a bit?"
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Is he doing a bit?
Or is this a troll post?
Somebody tell me cause I'm not sure.

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9. "Nah, just dissing some crap"
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Yep

  

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18. "Not sure and don't care anymore."
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Not worth responding to either way cuz either his taste sucks or he's trolling.

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27. "those who put 3 feet high at the top (which several did in that "
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top 25 hip-hop albums post) have very good taste.

  

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28. "Those who call DLSID "terrible" and "some crap" (which you did ..."
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... in this very post) have miserable taste.

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29. "nah...really lovin' 3 feet usually means hating that wack fall off 2nd a..."
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3 feet is that good

  

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30. "Nah. That means you have miserable taste."
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31. "you just don't love 3 feet like those who put it at the top do"
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sorry pal

  

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32. "What do you know about music hamster penis?"
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33. "I put 3 feet at the top like several others do pal"
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that

  

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37. "What are they sayin, man?"
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38. ""difficult speaking is Posdnuos pleasure...""
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that

  

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40. "De La Soul is Dead."
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66. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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72. "I set my dominance for any to challenge in the live music post"
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Have a try

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=3030314&mesg_id=3030314&page=

  

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39. "it is possible to like 3 feet high more yet dead still being great/class..."
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i think most people that like 3 feet high more would think so.

de la soul's first four albums are all classics/great. which one you prefer doesnt take away from how great the others are.

  

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128. "RE: it is possible to like 3 feet high more yet dead still being great/c..."
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^^^^^^

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3. "RZA (producer)"
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the man locked himself in a basement for four years and consecutively produced:

Enter the Wu-Tang
Tical
Liquid Swords
Return to the 36 Chambers
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Ironman

simply unbelievable in retrospect

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5. "RE: RZA (producer)"
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>the man locked himself in a basement for four years and
>consecutively produced:
>
>Enter the Wu-Tang
>Tical
>Liquid Swords
>Return to the 36 Chambers
>Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
>Ironman
>
>simply unbelievable in retrospect

The greatest run for a hip hop producer.

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20. "I'm putting Premier's 3 album run against that"
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Hard to Earn
Living Proof
Sun Rises In The East

All released in 18 months of each other.

This really is another post, but yeah...

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21. "May as well add Wrath Of The Math"
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Hard To Earn
The Sun Rises In The East
Livin’ Proof
Wrath Of The Math
Moment Of Truth

That to me is better than RZA’s run.

Buuuuuut...

Mecca And The Soul Brother
The Main Ingredient
Center Of Attention
Soul Survivor

Is just outrageous

  

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34. "I mean... you could go backwards to Daily Operation and Return of the Bo..."
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>Hard To Earn
>The Sun Rises In The East
>Livin’ Proof
>Wrath Of The Math
>Moment Of Truth
>
>That to me is better than RZA’s run.
>
>Buuuuuut...
>
>Mecca And The Soul Brother
>The Main Ingredient
>Center Of Attention
>Soul Survivor
>
>Is just outrageous
>

  

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25. "tical"
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was and is trash

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44. "I really liked Tical at the time but it doesn't hold up very well"
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The only songs that really stand out to me after all these years are Bring the Pain and the remixes to All I Need.

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143. "Make a better album than Tical"
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Post a link when you’re finished.

Tical is wild underrated.

Peace,

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8. "I still have OutKast and De La over Gang Starr"
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It's close though.

For me, ATLiens and Aquemini are hard to beat.
I like 3 Feet, but the next 3 De La albums are KILLER!

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10. "I'm a big Kendrick fan, but would his run of albums count?"
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That is if you count Section.80?

I've never looked at Gangstarr's run in a historical sense. Maybe it's because while I think Premier and Guru's are as consistent as any act in hip-hop, I, personally, don't have many 'kirk out' moments with their work, like I did OutKast or De La or with RZA's work.

I can't and won't argue that their run isn't historic. Premier is one of the GOATs for a reason and Guru was just the perfect complement to his beats. I wasn't a big fan of their work growing up but I've become a big fan of theirs as an adult and I see why others revere them.

But on a personal level, I don't hold their run as well as De La's or OutKast's or Kendrick's.

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12. "DAMN is completely trash bruh"
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13. "Wow. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that"
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Why do you feel it's less than his other albums?

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17. "RE: Wow. I'm not quite sure how to respond to that"
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>Why do you feel it's less than his other albums?

For starters it only has 3 dope songs surrounded by some terrible shit lol

  

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43. "We'll have to agree to disagree"
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From a strict 'spitting' perspective, you may be right. But the depth of emotions Kendrick touches on and the level of detail he puts into his lyrics to construct his narrative are immense. Plus it's also his most accessible album if that makes sense. I personally feel it's his best work.

But I can also see that for as great as his albums are to listen to, they're really hard to come back to. Probably because they're like Barry Jenkins movies but our small attention spans have us all listening to the equivalent of film shorts.

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67. "You're tripping. "
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74. "is section 80 worthy though?"
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It's a good set but for me his run starts with GKMC... but maybe I'm alone in that. It feels like an exceptional debut but not necessarily an exceptional record.

GKMC/TPAB/DAMN is a heck of a run though. Don't know how anyone can not like DAMN -- in terms of regular rotation listening, I probably go back to it and GKMC the most.

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75. "Section 80 and GKMC are his only ones I’ve been able to get into"
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I respect TPAB and it has its moments, but overall it never fully grabbed me. DAMN didn’t do a lot for me either.

  

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78. "DAMN grew on me."
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>I respect TPAB and it has its moments, but overall it never
>fully grabbed me. DAMN didn’t do a lot for me either.

I also like S.80 and GKMC best, they are the most musically palatable for my tastes.

But like you, I respect the vision and am a trillion percent on board with the content of TPAB, obviously. But musically it didn't grab me either. It's almost a chore to get through from a production standpoint. Just not for me sonically. I gave it a spin this past summer to see if maybe my opinion would change, but it did not. Haha.

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88. "RE: DAMN grew on me."
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>But like you, I respect the vision and am a trillion percent
>on board with the content of TPAB, obviously. But musically it
>didn't grab me either. It's almost a chore to get through from
>a production standpoint. Just not for me sonically. I gave it
>a spin this past summer to see if maybe my opinion would
>change, but it did not. Haha.

So this is really interesting to me. I'm pretty similar: I really love TPAB as a whole, will easily call it a classic, but it's not something I want to listen to often. And even if you break it down track by track, it's kind of a hard sell. It's the whole that counts. And I think that you hear this *way* more about TPAB than really any other hip hop record I can think of.

I don't have any issues with this from an artistic standpoint but it's kind of unique in hip hop, I think. And it's really hard for me to pin down *why* it is the case with TPAB.

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93. "I just wanted to cape for Kendrick by including Section.80"
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It's not nearly as good as the three classics (to me) that came after it. But it's a really good debut.

Either way, if you include Section.80 the list is backheavy. More so than any other artist listed in the thread.

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11. "OutKast and it really isn’t close "
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I love Gang Starr like everyone else (or maybe I don’t lol) but it’s not on the same level.

Hard To Earn is the second best Gang Starr album to me behind Moment Of Truth and that dropped in 94 and wasn’t better than OutKast’s debut.

OutKast only gets better from there.

There’s just something special about what Kast represented.

I agree, I don’t love everything on Stankonia but the highs of that album are so much higher than the weakest Gang Starr album in their run which is Step Into The Arena in my opinion.

And y’all can say what you want about Beats, Rhymes, & Life but that shit is classic to me and give ATCQ a better run than Gang Starr as well.

  

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24. "stankonia over step in the arena??"
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lol...get all the way the FUCK out

we are talking about hip hop right?? stankonia is a great record... a great record but its just as much pop as it is rap

comparing that to step in the arena...is like comparing kendrick to bandana

it dont even make sense

and step in the arena is fucking better

just to get a rep? check the technique? are bonafide hip hop classics!

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42. "They’re all classics"
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14. "The first four by PE"
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15. "Eric B. & Rakim. EPMD. Redman had a great run too."
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People tend to forget just how great Let the Rhythm Hit 'Em is. EPMD's run was flawless. And I'm a huge fan of those first four Redman albums.

I'd probably put those three ahead of Gang Starr, but behind De La.

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16. "I was gonna mention Redman"
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Doc’s Da Name is dope!

  

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36. "Wow @ Redman ahead of Gang Starr..."
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... but oh well.

If you want to reduce it to 3 album runs, then that moves the goalposts to make it a bit more interesting. Hard to top Rakim's first three albums.

  

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19. "Can we count BDP's albums and KRS-One's first solo album?"
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Criminal Minded
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22. "I'm fine with counting the first four BDP albums period"
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Edutainment is REALLY dope.

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35. "lol @ most all-time lists having names like..."
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...J-Cole ahead of the motherfucking Blastmaster KRS-ONE.

  

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45. "WORD."
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64. "Edutainment is amazing"
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141. "RE: I'm fine with counting the first four BDP albums period"
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>Edutainment is REALLY dope.

Exactly.


Can't have a 4 album run that skips albums. That's not a run.


Runs must contain consecutively released albums. No skips.

  

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23. "Tribe is up there for me too!"
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To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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26. "PUTS"
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Yeah, I'm saying... for me.... People Under The Stairs have 4 back to backs that I think are trophies and enjoy more than your gangstarr run

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48. "Well, yeah. But I wasn't going to go there"
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Though there's some question as to whether "...Or Stay Tuned" counts, as it's an official release, even it's one made up of mostly OST leftovers.

If we leave out "...Or Stay Tuned," I prefer the run of:

Question...
OST
Stepfather
Fun-DMC

or even

OST
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Fun-DMC
Carried Away

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41. "Scarface, and you could start and stop in a lot of different places"
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to get those 4.

  

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46. "If Ice Cube retires in 1992 he's arguably the GOAT"
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Straight Outta Compton (NWA Group)
Amerikkkas Most Wanted
Kill At Will (EP)
Death Certificate
The Predator

That's 4 1/2 albums

  

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47. "if we count groups, Pharoahe, Ghostface and DOOM want a word...."
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..i'd throw Masta Ace in the mix too ..and if you love his cold chillin LP as much as I do, he probably has 6 LPs to throw in the ring



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51. "I can’t co-sign Monch"
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Incredible MC but his output leaves a lot to be desired.

  

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60. "solo career i agree.. but if you count OK releases??? "
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61. "They have one classic"
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*shrug*

  

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50. "It's easy to forget now just how good of an MC he was back then"
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He was the first 'hardcore' MC I got into and so his work has a special place in my hip-hop heart. I even liked a lot of Lethal Injection. That's how deep my appreciation of his work was.

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49. "In conclusion..."
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...look at all these amazing runs by all of these amazing artists.

And people still wanna put Nas near the top of all-time lists because of ONE classic 8 1/2 song album performance.

You've gotta be kidding me.

  

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52. "You really think that’s all they put Nas up there for?"
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You sound foolish

  

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53. "His other classic had 14 tracks plus the intro, on the tape"
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54. "I think the Roots need more love here"
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Nah not the best/greatest, but their

DYWM through Phrenology deserves more love imo.

  

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55. "Thanks for posting this"
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I was about to do the same.

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56. "I meant to the other day as well."
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May not be "greatest" but that run was dope and consistent as fuck.

I wanted to post DOOM today too but it's a little more convoluted w/him obviously cuz he rapped under so many different monikers and shit haha.

But Doomsday, Take Me to Your Leader, Vaudeville Villain, Madvillainy ? C'mon now.

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57. "I agree with this"
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58. "good point"
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i think at 3 albums they can go up against any 3 other 3 albums. for me phrenology did it too and i think it has aged well. i still think its a bit of a step down but no more than other "weaker" albums that have been listed in this post.

  

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62. "TFA is a top ten for me"
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>i think at 3 albums they can go up against any 3 other 3
>albums. for me phrenology did it too and i think it has aged
>well. i still think its a bit of a step down but no more than
>other "weaker" albums that have been listed in this post.

It was so fantastic I've been unfairly hard on everything since.


  

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59. "I'm in line with this."
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69. "this board hates Phren tho"
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63. "Not for nothing, Busta's first 4......."
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65. "There are many "
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All of these rappers/groups below imo have great 4 album runs ( no order)

1.Redman
2.The Roots
3.Common
4.De La Soul
5.People Under the Stairs
6.ATCQ
7.Outkast
8.Aceyalone
9.Gang Starr
10.Blackalicious
11.Zion I
12.Del The Funkee Homosapien
13.Ice Cube
14.Atmosphere

  

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68. "Guru can't go toe to toe with Big Boi OR Andre"
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or Kendrick

or Posdnous

  

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105. "and yet..."
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gang starr will always be a more beloved HIP HOP group than them all

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108. "That's ....................... highly debatable."
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>gang starr will always be a more beloved HIP HOP group than them all

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70. "Common might outperform this four"
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Self titled
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71. "Electric Circus was before Be tho...."
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73. "well then 5, because Electric Circus is a classic too"
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76. "RE: well then 5, because Electric Circus is a classic too"
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77. "Electric Circus >>>>>>>>>> Be"
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Be was so mediocre, Common trying to appeal to the mainstream.. though I cant blame him given the backlash he got from Electric Circus.

  

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80. "I think Be is great but EC was way more interesting."
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Be doesn't have a "bad" song but it's safe and therefore a little boring relative to EC, which has a few really bad songs, but was riskier and therefore more interesting. Especially since all artists involved were in their primes.

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82. "Neither is a classic. LWFC is his classic that can’t be argued"
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and Resurrection and ODIWAMS are really good albums that diehard Common fans will argue are classics.

Common definitely had a great run, so he deserves a mention but I don’t think EC is strong enough to give him the “best 4 album run in history.” But I realize that’s a polarizing album where there is a vocal group that absolutely love it, and will see this differently.

  

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83. "Hm Resurrection *and* LWFC can't be argued, IMO."
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>and Resurrection and ODIWAMS are really good albums that
>diehard Common fans will argue are classics.
>
>Common definitely had a great run, so he deserves a mention
>but I don’t think EC is strong enough to give him the
>“best 4 album run in history.” But I realize that’s a
>polarizing album where there is a vocal group that absolutely
>love it, and will see this differently.

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84. "Most of the production on Resurrection is “good” not great, IMO"
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85. "Doesn't mean it's not classic haha."
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There are straight up bad albums that are "classics" for a variety of reasons.

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86. "Shit is great to me *shrug*"
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87. "Haha me too. Perfect for Common."
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I literally love every beat.

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91. "Word...Life and Resurrection are perfect albums IMO "
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That’s the sound that I love.

The soulful yet still hard hitting boom bap.

  

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92. "Oh hell yea - agreed fully."
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That's exactly what it is, soulful but hardhitting. In perfect balance, on both albums.

I actually never thought to liken those two albums but you're absolutely right.

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140. "I’m revisiting now for the first time in years "
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Yeah.... I was wrong.

  

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89. "yeah i think objectively those two cant be argued"
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i love common and to me one day, EC and be could be considered classics but i can understand arguments against each of them.

all 5 are great but resurrection and LWFC are classics at minimum in the hiphop world.

  

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90. "Definitely. One Day is my favorite Common album."
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And I was always pro-EC as well.

But yea - Res and LWFC are indisputable IMO.


>i love common and to me one day, EC and be could be
>considered classics but i can understand arguments against
>each of them.
>
>all 5 are great but resurrection and LWFC are classics at
>minimum in the hiphop world.

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79. "Self titled ?!"
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81. "someone didnt fact check their soulseek files lol"
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94. "Ah... soulseek"
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Haven't run across that name in about a decade.

But this whole thread featuring Invisiblist is a throwback to The Lesson from about 2008.

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104. "Not even Common believes this"
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Been a fan since 'Can I Borrow A Dollar' (fixed that for you) and as much as I love those albums, they are not effing with that run of Gang Starr albums originally posted.

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95. "its kanye west. impeccable *5* album run."
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college dropout.
late registration.
graduation.
808s and heartbreaks.
my beautiful dark twisted fantasy.

i damn sure aint a fan of his personal/political antics or his last few musical projects but his 1st five shit on everyone elses easily.

thats an insane amount of consistency...even including the album at the time that was considered his experimental album (something a whole laundry list of good artists couldnt pull off).

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96. "thats fair"
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his music just isnt it for me right now but thinking back its hard to argue against those albums. im sure as more time passes ill start enjoying them again.

i figure 808s will be an issue for some.

  

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97. "Nope"
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His albums are like big budget action movies.

Looks cool

Special effects are fun

But ultimately, more hype than actual quality

  

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98. "RE: Kanye is the Zack Snyder of Hip Hop"
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lots of explosions and antics with broodiness and self pity passed off as beinig "deep"

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100. "Yep...art for dumb people"
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Lol

  

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113. "LOL YIKES"
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>Lol

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142. "RE: Kanye is the Michael Bay of Hip Hop"
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I fixed it for you.

  

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99. "808s is poo poo."
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101. "808’s is boring and MBDTF is the douchiest album ever"
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Those first 3 were solid though.

  

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103. "Tend to agree. MBD grew on me a little."
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But I think I still love the story about how it was made (the Hawaii thing) more than I love the actual end product/music.

The first 3 are unassailable tho, IMO. Whether you loved him or hated him, or thought he was overrated/not that talented or the most talented producer on earth, there's no denying the magnetism his music had over the course of those few years.

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102. "for me to poop on"
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107. "RE: its kanye west. impeccable *5* album run."
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>college dropout.
>late registration.
>graduation.

All of these albums have too much filler to be 100% classics. It's unfortunate; they're all albums with very high highs but also a lot of clunker weight pulling it all down.

Putting aside thoughts on 808s or MBTDF, I just don't think these albums make the cut, which tank his eligibility from the start.

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106. "So we forgot about the Villain already????!!!!"
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Operation Doomsday
Take Me To Your Leader
Vaudeville Villain
Madvillain
VV2
Mm..Food
The Mouse and The Mask
Born Like This

Come on bro

  

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109. "Hell no. Response #56."
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RIP.

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110. "Actually...reply 47"
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And I replied to that lol

  

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112. "Haha woops."
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114. "DOOM def had a dope run 99-05"
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>Operation Doomsday
>Take Me To Your Leader
>Vaudeville Villain
>Madvillain
>VV2
>Mm..Food
>The Mouse and The Mask
>Born Like This
>

His run wasn't better than Gang Starr's imo. VV2 was kinda weak to me and Born Like This was just okay.

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120. "Agree re: VV2 and Born Like This but ..."
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>>Operation Doomsday
>>Take Me To Your Leader
>>Vaudeville Villain
>>Madvillain
>>VV2
>>Mm..Food
>>The Mouse and The Mask
>>Born Like This
>>
>
>His run wasn't better than Gang Starr's imo. VV2 was kinda
>weak to me and Born Like This was just okay.

Your criteria was 4 album run, so that means his 4 are:

Doomsday
Geedorah
VV1
Madvillainy

That still may not top Gangstarr in your eyes (and I think I'd agree, for the record) but DOOM is certainly in the conversation.

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121. "I agree as well..."
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Just wanted to list Mm..Food so I needed to mention VV2 LOL

Then I just listed the next to for good measure.

  

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111. "I KNOW this wasn’t the narrative back then but...LL Cool J"
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Given that we’ve got 100+ replies and everyone with a strong run is getting mentioned, then he certainly deserves a mention.

He’s got 3 undisputed classics, and an album that had 2 really bad songs but otherwise has some of his best rapping ever, for his first 4 albums.

And when you throw in the impact that his 4 album run had on hip hop?? Cmon.

I know Walking With a Panther was a “fall off” back then but a lot of that was image and narrative and him not being Native Tongues or P.E. and “saying something”.

Looking at it now, he’s got one of the stronger 4 album runs.

  

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127. "Good mention"
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LL gets lost in these GOAT conversations. Maybe because his peak happened relatively early in the history of hip hop. At least relative to Gangstarr, The Roots, OutKast, Tribe, etc.

That he's probably more well known as an actor than as an MC, probably factors in as well.

But his early work is classic. No doubt.

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115. "RE: Gang Starr has the best 4 album run right?"
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I agree on Public Enemy and Kanye, and Ghostface Killah has my favorite Wu Tang solo albums. But has anyone mentioned this site's founder's group, The Roots? From Phrenology thru How I Got Over (a sadly overlooked masterpiece IMO). Though not classics by acclamation, they sound that good to me. One notable critic seems to think so too:

https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=The+Roots

Tricky (1990s) and MIA (2000s-10s) are also hip-hop related and with a great 4+ album run

Non-rap mentions since the original poster asked: The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Stevie Wonder, Lucinda Williams, Sly and the Family Stone, PJ Harvey, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Nirvana, Al Green, Steely Dan, The Clash, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Bob Marley, the Grateful Dead.

And there are countless jazz artists who consistently made great albums: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, Sonny Rollins, Ornette Coleman... I could go on.

  

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116. "RE: Gang Starr has the best 4 album run right?"
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Oh, and wow. No one has mentioned Eminem: The Slim Shady LP (1999) thru Encore (2004). Pretty great 4 album run too.

  

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117. "I suggest you leave"
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118. "RE: I suggest you leave"
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"You find me offensive?
I find you offensive
For finding me offensive"

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119. "I didn’t think Eminem fans even liked Encore"
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Personally, I don’t like any of his albums and like maybe 5 of his songs.

  

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122. "RE: I didn’t think Eminem fans even liked Encore"
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That is fine. It sold 5 million plus, but perhaps that was all because of good marketing. And anyway, one may need a sense of wit and irony (and dare I say fun?) to appreciate him to begin with. Not all rappers can traffic in moralistic street-raps or tough-guy fantasies or formalistic flow. Not that there is anything terribly wrong with such things. But by those standards, yes, perhaps not a great album.

  

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123. "^^^ignore this alias"
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125. "RE: ^^^ignore this alias"
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Yes. Ignore me. Resort to ad hominems like "dumb" and "poo poo" and "foolish," and superficial epithets like "highs" and "filler" and "quality," without any nuanced discussion or argument for or against, while regurgitating the same lists from the subcultural canon and patronizing anyone who defies it. And, of course, ignore me. Deeply sorry that expressing my opinion warrants expulsion from a free music forum. Apologies for offending your tastes.

  

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124. "Just say you liked the Triumph the Insult Comic Dog voices my man"
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Jeez.

  

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126. "RE: Just say you liked the Triumph the Insult Comic Dog voices my man"
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Not as much as I liked your friend's advice.

  

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130. "You got all weird about it....why?"
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I mentioned that I don’t recall that album being very well received. You didn’t say anything about the album other than it sold(who cares?) and then got all weird. What am I missing here?

Moralistic street tales and Tough Guy fantasies? We’re on The Roots website. Where is that coming from?

  

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131. "RE: You got all weird about it....why?"
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Well, I will be the first to admit I am weird to begin with lol.

But I did not see why me proposing Eminem's albums meant I should "leave." That offended me, for my sake and Eminem's, who deserves more respect here.

I don't see how EPMD boasting about "You're God damn right punk, stay outta my way, Cause I clock G's while you clock Z's", or Guru claiming "I will make a strong vow to make things right, Ignite the mic, get hype and all that", are any better or more artful than Eminem employing offensive and humorous content to mock our puritanical culture's outrage police ("Rain Man"), or to play out a pained character study of a woman-abuser that offers insight into the pathology of something enduringly real in our f****-up society ("Kim", which resembles Ghostface Killah's "Wildflower" in this way).

He is a genius of transgressive art, and a pretty damn skilled and clever rhymer. He touches on deep-seated male insecurities and neuroses (and their frequent manifestations in society) that most rappers are too cool to consider being open about, and he does so in ways that provoke laughter, thought, and chills.

And it does matter that an album sells a lot. It is a reflection of our collective consciousness, or at least the shared values and sensibilities of a large-enough amount of people we have to live amongst and care about. He has sold more than 220 million records around the world. He obviously has some connection to our collective humanity, so maybe we owe it to ourselves to re-examine if we're missing something.

In the opinion of HipHopDX, at least the Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, and The Eminem Show were a "classic" series:

https://hiphopdx.com/editorials/id.2678/title.3-for-3-9-artists-who-crafted-a-triad-of-fantastic-albums-in-a-row#signup

There are lots of critics and writers who can speak on the merits of his music better than I can. Here is one of them:

https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/eminem-lat.php

https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/eminem-cp.php

https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/eminem-06.php

Also, that HipHopDX article brought another name to mind (Missy Elliott) and another issue (have any female rappers been mentioned here?)

  

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133. "I didn’t tell you to leave, but appreciate the response even though......"
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I don’t see what’s wrong with those PMD and Guru rhymes. I don’t see a problem with their content.

The beats on their albums blow away those on Encore.

  

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135. "RE: I didn’t tell you to leave, but appreciate the response even thoug..."
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The other person told me to leave.

I did not say anything's wrong with them. My point was that I did not see how they're any more special than Em's. And I just find more artistic value and entertainment in his work.

The beats are great on their albums, and probably their best qualities. But I think the beats on Encore suit Eminem's rapping better than any other beats would, and the flow of the guest rappers too (like 50 Cent on "Never Enough", which I'm listening to right now and can't resist moving to the rhythm of the beat in conjunction with the voice, and now it's flowing seamlessly into "Yellow Brick Road"...) So I think that's what makes it work altogether. I am judging it holistically.

I could dance more to the EPMD beats. But the Encore beats are more interesting to my ear, like the marching rhythm and pensive piano notes leading to that soaring chorus of child-like voices on "Toy Soldiers", underscoring the loss of innocence in the subject matter.

As an album in and of itself, Encore is good to me. And alongside the previous three, with SSLP and MMLP great ones for me, I think that is why it is a great run, historically speaking. As you know, it is not often that artists of any genre put out consistently good ones, especially in the 21st century, when the album has lost importance.

  

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137. "RE: I didn’t tell you to leave, but appreciate the response even thoug..."
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Also, some of the functions of the sounds on Encore are in the tradition of transgressive art, more than in the formalism of hip hop beats. "Puke", for example, intersperses puking sounds from a female voice among the male narrator's vile vindictive petty barbs at his ex girlfriend. My interpretation is that this functions to put the listeners off from those sentiments, even though hatred at one point or another is just human nature, and who hasn't at one point or another hated their ex over something out of emotion and not rational thinking? But Em being Em, he exaggerates and heightens it thru shock and obscenity to make a point, and this also gives it an edge of ridiculousness that can make you chuckle, even if reluctantly. Another interpretation is that what the narrator is saying is actually making the ex puke. And it is also in line with Em toying with the idea of rap as a verbal construct (that it can be words not meant to be taken literally) and satirizing the seriously obscene female-exploitative rhymes of mainstream rap around that time. And there is interesting interplay between the beat and the synthesized violin crescendos... On the surface, it might seem like a forgettable track, but there are different levels of merit to those songs. It is all about perspective.

  

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138. "RE: I didn’t tell you to leave, but appreciate the response even thoug..."
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The beat on My 1st Single is blistering hot. Can't think of anything from Business As Usual I'd rather listen to. And that "circle jerk" line caught me off guard and cracked me up 😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL7x6Gnkx-o

  

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134. "^^^this gotta be Hailey yo"
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136. "RE: ^^^this gotta be Hailey yo"
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Haha good one!

Spelled her name wrong tho

  

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129. "SSLP, MMLP, Encore"
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what was the other one?

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132. "RE: SSLP, MMLP, Encore"
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The Eminem Show

  

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139. "RE: SSLP, MMLP, Encore"
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Sun Feb-28-21 10:22 PM by peterportela

  

          

Forget the comic genius or the harrowing tales of violence. I honestly don't know how anyone can deny the simple yet penetrating underclass angst of songs like "If I Had" and "Rock Bottom". Unless they've never struggled in the real world, or just lack or lost empathy or compassion, which I gather Em's worst critics probably have (and I don't mean anyone here).

These are the kinds of songs that make you feel you're not crazy or alone in such a universal struggle, one that leads you to feeling fed up with all the conveniently pious, uppity, unrealistic standards bludgeoning us in the media and from elites. In the real world, sh*t happens, pressures provoke bad behavioral tendencies, and without people provoking thought about them, it would have little chance of getting better. These songs are still relevant, 20 years later. That is my connection to those particular songs.

The Roots' How I Got Over album resonates in the same way, albeit with a more sophisticated, mature approach to exploring moral, existential, and financial anxieties. That means much more to me in adjudging something a classic. Why else would a work of art endure the test of time if it does not connect on some universal and human level? That is a big reason why these albums belong in the same discussion.

What are your connections to the albums you've named?

  

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