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obsidianchrysalis
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"Name MC's who are average but shine on others' songs"


  

          

This post is inspired by Memphis Bleek. He seemed to come off well when he was featured on other people's tracks (It's Alright, 'Round Here, others) but could never translate that energy to his own full-length albums.

Inspectah Deck qualifies for me as well, but I know some people really like his on LP and may feel his name shouldn't be included with Bleek's.

Are there other MC's like Bleek?

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Bleek and Deck aren't average
Jan 04th 2021
1
I didn't use proper phrasing
Jan 05th 2021
20
      But you still aren’t making sense
Jan 05th 2021
22
           Deck has great verses but doesn't have a great album on his own.
Jan 06th 2021
27
                Did you even read what YOU wrote?
Jan 06th 2021
28
                     I didn't realize that I added the group reference.
Jan 07th 2021
36
                     So would someone like Bun B count?
Jan 08th 2021
46
                          I'm not familiar much with Bun B so I can't comment much on him
Jan 10th 2021
55
                               I think there are two things you messed up...
Jan 11th 2021
57
                     The Czarface records were Dope as well!
Jan 07th 2021
39
Method Man count?
Jan 04th 2021
2
No. He's WAY above average.
Jan 05th 2021
4
WAY above average...and it’s odd that...
Jan 05th 2021
23
C'mon, Method Man Is Like One Of The Best Emcees In Wu-Tang
Jan 06th 2021
33
His guest appearances are way better than his own joints for real.
Jan 08th 2021
42
      I don't want to agree with you...
Jan 08th 2021
45
Cappadonna n/m
Jan 05th 2021
3
You have lost your rabbit ass mind
Jan 05th 2021
15
      So The Pillage is a classic but Enigma and Jealous One’s Envy are not?
Jan 05th 2021
24
Ja Rule?
Jan 05th 2021
5
Venni Vetti Vecci is fkn dope
Jan 20th 2021
67
MED?
Jan 05th 2021
6
Consequence
Jan 05th 2021
7
RE: Name MC's who are average but shine on others' songs
Jan 05th 2021
8
Me too. And were that the criteria, Meth would qualify.
Jan 05th 2021
9
Luda is *the* guy I think of when I interpret the question this way
Jan 05th 2021
10
You've nailed the gist of my idea
Jan 05th 2021
19
Ma$e. Gucci Mane.
Jan 05th 2021
11
Krumb Snatcha
Jan 05th 2021
12
RE: Krumb Snatcha
Jan 08th 2021
47
Freddie Foxxx
Jan 05th 2021
13
RE: I don't know if Foxxxx fits or not
Jan 11th 2021
61
      Freddie Foxxx would count
Jan 11th 2021
62
Chali 2na?
Jan 05th 2021
14
Keith Murray.
Jan 05th 2021
16
Enigma and Jealous One’s Envy are both classics
Jan 05th 2021
17
absolute classics
Jan 05th 2021
18
Keith Murray's 1st album was anything but average.
Jan 05th 2021
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      Yeah...I prefer Enigma but his debut is dope too
Jan 05th 2021
25
Drake's a pedestrian rapper who makes every song he's featured on
Jan 06th 2021
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i think this is the winner
Jan 06th 2021
30
Good one.
Jan 06th 2021
31
Drake has never had a good verse in his life
Jan 06th 2021
32
Sicko Mode has to be one of Drake's greatest performances of his career....
Jan 07th 2021
40
Nice example
Jan 08th 2021
44
Guilty Simpson
Jan 06th 2021
29
Busta
Jan 06th 2021
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So Busta is an average MC now?
Jan 06th 2021
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      I mean AZ is probably in your top 5.
Jan 07th 2021
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           What does that have to do with Busta doe?
Jan 08th 2021
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                Aziatic isn’t even arguable....that’s a strong album
Jan 08th 2021
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                Aziatic is an absolute classic to me
Jan 08th 2021
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                The two above average albums refer to Busta, not your boyfriend.
Jan 09th 2021
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                     I’m curious which 2 are the above average ones to you?
Jan 09th 2021
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                     The Coming and Disaster Strikes
Jan 10th 2021
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                     Aren’t you an Eminem stan?
Jan 09th 2021
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                     I'd put him well ahead of Busta.
Jan 10th 2021
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                          Yeah but you’re failing to mention one thing...
Jan 11th 2021
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                     this is just flat out wrong
Jan 11th 2021
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Peedi Crakk
Jan 07th 2021
37
Phil Da Agony
Jan 07th 2021
38
Wait does he have any solo albums?
Jan 10th 2021
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      4 i believe plus some eps
Jan 11th 2021
60
2 Chainz
Jan 15th 2021
63
Great call. He may be the only one who rivals Ludacris in this category.
Jan 15th 2021
64
I think the title of this post is off. Because I do think Method Man, B...
Jan 19th 2021
65
I agree that the title is off
Jan 19th 2021
66

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1. "Bleek and Deck aren't average"
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and for opposing reasons, but this has the makings for a fantastic thread

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20. "I didn't use proper phrasing"
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By 'average', I meant an MC without a classic solo or group project.

I've never heard Deck's solo album (and maybe I should) but I've never heard it talked about as a legendary album. But he has truly iconic guest spots.

That's the type of rapper I failed to describe.

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22. "But you still aren’t making sense"
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>By 'average', I meant an MC without a classic solo or group
>project.
>

Please tell me how Deck fits this when he has the best verses on multiple group classics?

>I've never heard Deck's solo album (and maybe I should) but
>I've never heard it talked about as a legendary album. But he
>has truly iconic guest spots.
>
>That's the type of rapper I failed to describe.

  

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27. "Deck has great verses but doesn't have a great album on his own."
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Basically, I'm thinking of an MC who is good, but much better on features than their own work.

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28. "Did you even read what YOU wrote?"
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You said an MC who doesn’t have a great solo OR group album.

Are Wu albums not considered Deck’s group albums?

You are making zero sense my man

  

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36. "I didn't realize that I added the group reference."
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I didn't mean to extend the criteria to group albums.

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46. "So would someone like Bun B count?"
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I’m legit confused.

Bun is a great MC within UGK and guest spots but his solos have been average IMO.

Does that mean he is an average MC who is great on guest spots even though he is ALSO great in his group which is his main contribution to hip-hop?

How is that different than Deck?

  

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55. "I'm not familiar much with Bun B so I can't comment much on him"
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But by 'average', I meant that the MC is better on features or posse cuts than they are on the records that we normally hear them.

For instance Deck, to me, would qualify because he was better in a group setting and on posse cuts than he was on his solo records.

But to be honest, I've never heard Deck's full album so maybe it is dope and I am speaking out of my ass by mentioning him in the same vein as Bleek.

It's funny that for some reason the wording of this post threw people off. (I'm not speaking directly to you only, Anonymous)

Normally, I choose my words fairly carefully when posting here. But for this post, I just threw something out there, trying to be spontaneous and I did not expect the fallout.

The lesson for The Lesson - always come prepared. LOL

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57. "I think there are two things you messed up..."
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Mon Jan-11-21 12:12 AM by Anonymous

  

          

1. The word “average” seems to be confusing people. Deck is NOT an average MC at all so using him as your example was odd. The post title for your example should’ve been “Dope MCs who haven’t released a great album” or something like that.

Second...when you added in the group portion it just made the post more confusing. Andre 3000 is great in Kast and on guest spots but hasn’t released a great album by himself. So by the way you worded the post and then further explained, he would be an average MC which we all know if crazy.

LOL *shrugs*

  

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39. "The Czarface records were Dope as well!"
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Deck is a GREAT team player

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2. "Method Man count?"
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4. "No. He's WAY above average."
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23. "WAY above average...and it’s odd that..."
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People are naming Wu members like their albums don’t consist of 36 Chambers, Forever and The W on top of their own solo projects.

Tical, T2 and 4:21 are ALL great hip-hop albums.

  

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33. "C'mon, Method Man Is Like One Of The Best Emcees In Wu-Tang"
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Method Man shouldn't even be in this discussion at all, I feel the same for Inspectah Deck but it's fact that him pulling off a great solo album never translate well, he got rhymes & verses it's just he don't have a good executive producer for his solo albums to bring out the best in him, I personally liked his first album (yeah it had a few duds on it but to me every rap album has at least one of them) but it wasn't as great as it should've been.


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42. "His guest appearances are way better than his own joints for real. "
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45. "I don't want to agree with you..."
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I don't want to agree with you because Meth was my favorite rapper for a while. But you're right. He has some classic songs but his albums have never lived up to the potential, at least for me.

But his work as a guest artist is amazing, as is his work with Redman. It didn't seem clear when he began his career that he needed the group dynamic to bring out his best, but it is now in hindsight.

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3. "Cappadonna n/m"
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phemom's the name, all-star writer/
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15. "You have lost your rabbit ass mind"
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24. "So The Pillage is a classic but Enigma and Jealous One’s Envy are not?"
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I think you lost your rabbit ass mind

  

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5. "Ja Rule?"
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werd.

  

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67. "Venni Vetti Vecci is fkn dope"
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**********
I should put that in a song

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6. "MED?"
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werd.

  

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7. "Consequence"
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8. "RE: Name MC's who are average but shine on others' songs"
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I'm struggling to think of rappers who shine on others songs but are average in skill. I'm immediately coming back to rappers with great guest spots and who are just great in general, but have average/below average albums.

Inspectah Deck specifically fits in that category. He is by no means average. He has some of the best verses in Wu's discography, he's just never been able to replicate that level of dopeness on his own solo shit, though a flood is part to blame for that. The Czarface shit is pretty repetitive by the second album too.

This thread would be easier if it were "Name MC's whose guest spots overshadow their discographies" or something like that.

  

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9. "Me too. And were that the criteria, Meth would qualify."
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Just to revisit a response I sent above.

Another who would qualify is Ludacris. Guy was the king of guest spots in the early to mid 00s, but his albums were very uneven to say the least.


>I'm immediately coming back to
>rappers with great guest spots and who are just great in
>general, but have average/below average albums.

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10. "Luda is *the* guy I think of when I interpret the question this way"
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19. "You've nailed the gist of my idea"
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I didn't quite know how to describe Deck or Bleek. They've had really great features. Like Deck is a legend off of Triumph along and Bleek's verse on It's Alright is classic.

But neither of them have a 'classic' as a solo project.

So, now that we've gone back and forth about it, I meant to say a rapper without a classic.

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11. "Ma$e. Gucci Mane."
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12. "Krumb Snatcha"
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47. "RE: Krumb Snatcha"
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Right and exact...MURDERED a lot of his guest spots..

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13. "Freddie Foxxx"
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*ducks*

I think over the course of his entire albums...he’s an average MC. Dope for sure but his flow isn’t great and his lyrics are pretty basic for the most part.

I’m debating if I would call him average but what’s the honest scale here?

I don’t see average as bad or wack by any means.

*shrugs*

  

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61. "RE: I don't know if Foxxxx fits or not"
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>*ducks*
>
>I think over the course of his entire albums...he’s an
>average MC. Dope for sure but his flow isn’t great and his
>lyrics are pretty basic for the most part.
>

I like his rhymes a lot and his voice cuts to tape a certain way, but I think he's as good as anyone when it comes to creating tension and a sense of mood on his albums. For me that's what keeps me there, I just love hearing him rap but I get exactly what you're saying


>I’m debating if I would call him average but what’s the
>honest scale here?
>
>I don’t see average as bad or wack by any means.
>
>*shrugs*

I see what you're saying and that honestly makes more sense than how the OP had it set up. That's why I said I'm not sure if he fits or not

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62. "Freddie Foxxx would count"
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He's great in group settings but he also doesn't have a classic or masterpiece. It's hard to call him average but in that light I don't think many would think of him as a 'great' rapper.

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14. "Chali 2na?"
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dope voice. not wack at all but not sure hes better than average in the big scheme of things. hes great on tracks with other rappers but theres few songs with only him rapping for three verses that i love.

maybe?

  

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16. "Keith Murray."
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Keith Murray dope on Hostile, fatty girl, special deliver remix, I shot ya...
But released average albums.

And Fat Joe ..albums average. But better on guest appearances.

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17. "Enigma and Jealous One’s Envy are both classics"
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18. "absolute classics"
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21. "Keith Murray's 1st album was anything but average. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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25. "Yeah...I prefer Enigma but his debut is dope too"
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26. "Drake's a pedestrian rapper who makes every song he's featured on"
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I mean, "Sicko Mode" is Travis Scott's song sure, but Drake makes it.

Meek's "RICO"
Future's "Where Ya At"
Blocboy JB's "Look Alive" (who you'll never hear from again)

just some of the more fun examples. I find Drake to be a tedious listen for a full album's-worth of content, but it's always exciting when he's in a big feature spot.

  

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30. "i think this is the winner"
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31. "Good one."
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Also the scrapped "Aston Martin Music" verse that's probably the best of his career.

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32. "Drake has never had a good verse in his life"
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40. "Sicko Mode has to be one of Drake's greatest performances of his career...."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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44. "Nice example"
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<--- Me when my head hits the pillow

  

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29. "Guilty Simpson"
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http://soundcloud.com/deemack1

  

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34. "Busta"
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http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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35. "So Busta is an average MC now?"
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What does that make everyone outside of the Top 50?

Because clearly Busta is NOT lower than that on any respectable list.

  

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41. "I mean AZ is probably in your top 5."
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The dude had two above average albums in the 90s and everything since? Garbage.

Yet he'll murder and guest appearance.

http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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43. "What does that have to do with Busta doe?"
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Not to mention you’re wrong because 9 Lives and Aziatic attire dope as shit too.

*shrugs*

  

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48. "Aziatic isn’t even arguable....that’s a strong album"
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And then Jay bit what he was already doing, for the 2nd time.

AWOL was a good album too, and that was 05. Imagine saying that and Aziatic are garbage, smh.

  

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49. "Aziatic is an absolute classic to me"
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I’ve grown to be content with people shitting on anything he does for whatever reason.

I’ve heard the dumbest shit online.

He’s a poor version of Nas
Doe Or Die sucked because of the production
He’s technically so good that he’s boring

*shrugs*

  

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CondoM
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50. "The two above average albums refer to Busta, not your boyfriend. "
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http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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51. "I’m curious which 2 are the above average ones to you?"
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Because I’ve got The Coming, When Disaster Strikes, ELE, The Big Bang, and his new one as at least “above average”.

Plus he did that Dillagence mixtape that was heat.

  

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53. "The Coming and Disaster Strikes"
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ELE is aight. I'd rate Genesis above the others you listed, but even that it's not something I'd ever go out of my way to listen to.

http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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52. "Aren’t you an Eminem stan?"
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54. "I'd put him well ahead of Busta."
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He's only got 3 good albums himself though.

http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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58. "Yeah but you’re failing to mention one thing..."
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That you don’t know shit about hip-hop and have been proving so for over a decade.

Also, you fuck kangaroo pouches so *shrug*

  

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59. "this is just flat out wrong"
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it's one thing to say you don't care for Busta's albums, but saying he only has two decent albums and nothing else but garbage is not an opinion, it's simply wrong.

  

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37. "Peedi Crakk"
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Always dope when he hops on. His own shit.....ehhhhh

Dream with your eyes open.....

  

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38. "Phil Da Agony"
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56. "Wait does he have any solo albums? "
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I never thought about it but he must.

  

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60. "4 i believe plus some eps"
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63. "2 Chainz"
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although I like his solo stuff, he's really best as a cameo

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64. "Great call. He may be the only one who rivals Ludacris in this category."
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Every guest verse I hear, I love.

But his albums I can take or leave.

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65. "I think the title of this post is off. Because I do think Method Man, B..."
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and 2 Chainz are MCs who murder guest appearances but don't have great albums on the same level.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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66. "I agree that the title is off"
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Because you can kill guest spots, have albums that don’t live up to those guest spots and still be an above average MC.

  

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