i ask this question because she is eligible and it strikes me that the reasons holding her delay aren't musically related

she has made two important albums 1)

huge hit songs 2)

got industry Jewelry 3)

worldwide acclaim and icon 4)

if you had a vote does she get in or not be real?

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NE deserves to be in and JJ

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Actually she has released 3 important albums...But whose counting?

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control and Rhythm Nation and a few great and mostly good tracks in the 90's.

please don't try to bring up her 90's albums as seeing control and rhythm Nation Man.

those 90's albums had good material however they were hit and miss.

her 00's stuff was corny IMO.

the last song that she did that knocked me out was "that's the way love goes" and I dug the remix to "anytime anyplace" and a i liked some other tracks, however everybody knows that her prime and peak was 86-90 including Janet herself

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>control and Rhythm Nation and a few great and mostly good
>tracks in the 90's.
>
>please don't try to bring up her 90's albums as seeing control
>and rhythm Nation Man.
>
>those 90's albums had good material however they were hit and
>miss.
>
>her 00's stuff was corny IMO.
>
>the last song that she did that knocked me out was "that's the
>way love goes" and I dug the remix to "anytime anyplace" and a
>i liked some other tracks, however everybody knows that her
>prime and peak was 86-90 including Janet herself

>>way love goes" and I dug the remix to "anytime anyplace" and
>a
>>i liked some other tracks, however everybody knows that her
>>prime and peak was 86-90 including Janet herself


Actually no...See post #8....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>control and Rhythm Nation and a few great and mostly good
>tracks in the 90's.
>
>please don't try to bring up her 90's albums as seeing control
>and rhythm Nation Man.


As usual, it's all or nothing with you...

So let me break it down for you, homie (and this has nothing to do with her getting into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame...more on that later)



On a cosmetic, popularity level (this is in your wheel house, Maxx) that "janet" album debuted at number 1 with the largest first week sales of ANY female artist of that time...

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (which is what we are talking about, right?) listed the "janet" album among the 200 Definitive Albums of All Time....

"That's the Way Love Goes" remains among Janet's most successful singles of all time (8 weeks topping the pop charts...her best showing ever)....And it's the best singles showing from any Jackson family member including MICHAEL JACKSON (shocking, right?)

Oh, and that same "janet" album joins MJ's Thriller, George Michael's Faith, Janet's other iconic album Rhythm Nation and Katy Perry's Teenage Dream to fire off SIX top 10 hit singles on the Hot 100...

And that same "janet" album remains her most critically acclaimed and "serious" album, showcasing the "new" Janet Jackson--the sex symbol...And it was her biggest global tour...She became officially a global superstar....

Now all this^^^^ doesn't mean a hill of beans in terms of Janet getting in the the R&R Hall of Fame because they don't view that 80's/90s era of pop singers (beyond MJ and Madonna) with much respect...

I don't think she will get in anytime soon (The silly overreaction of Nipplegate plays a huge part in this)...

So yeah...Janet may not get in until maybe a 5th or 8th time...But she at least has 3 great albums to point to...

Control
Rhythm Nation
janet

^^^^All 3 represent Janet Jackson's greatest work....

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that album was bloated & boring in stretches, the success of it is largely due to it having a great lead single & then also having momentum from her status off the prior two albums plus the film role.

I can't really think of any songs that still get run aside from That's The Way Love Goes, maybe Any Time Any Place, Again was more a soundtrack song.

That might have been the commercial crescendo moment but I don't see that album looked at as being on the same level of importance as Control or Rhythm Nation.

>that album was bloated & boring in stretches, the success of
>it is largely due to it having a great lead single & then also
>having momentum from her status off the prior two albums plus
>the film role.

From writings on the matter....Because those previous albums Janet was viewed as a puppet for the most part...On the Janet album, she and her husband contributed heavily on that joint in terms of songwriting...


>I can't really think of any songs that still get run aside
>from That's The Way Love Goes, maybe Any Time Any Place, Again
>was more a soundtrack song.
>
>That might have been the commercial crescendo moment but I
>don't see that album looked at as being on the same level of
>importance as Control or Rhythm Nation.


On the real, Bomb, it comes down to this...If you like the other two albums more than Janet, I can dig it...If you think the songs were better, that's on you because that can't be debatable...

The original post was Maxx saying that Janet Jackson only released two classic albums...And that's not true...Not at the least...I gave many reasons why from commercial impact to how it took Janet to another level globally...

Janet has become one of the huge '90s albums...It made it's impact for that era much in the same way as her previous two efforts did for their eras...

It's her biggest album...It was critically acclaimed...We're not talking about a Limp Bizkit album, here...lol...An album that sold a shit load of copies that left u figuring out why....Janet won across the board...So yeah, it deserves to be with those other two albums in terms of impact...

To me, it's straight no chaser...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

.

that's the way love goes, anytime anyplace and if was cute in a cute beat it meets smooth criminal kind of way. and Janet went into heavy Madonna overdrive in pushing her Cat front and center.

however Jam and Lewis would tell you "thats the way love goes" was there last prime and peak joint with Janet.

all that Alex Trabek side dish for the Janet album ain't holding up.

now "Again" was used for "Poetic Justice" and it got some attention, however her best stuff was from 86-90 Yo.

now if you said her tour and live show got better from the 90's onward I'll give you dap and a coke with a smile for that, however studio game was hit and miss and then below zero.

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i didn't know people hated on it.

>i didn't know people hated on it.


It's her biggest selling album across the board....
Had just as many hits as Rhythm Nation...In fact, it spawned her biggest single of all time...

Don't let a few heads on the Lesson fool you...It was a huge album....

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janet having just smash hit after hit from it.

<shrug>

>that's the way love goes, anytime anyplace and if was cute
>in a cute beat it meets smooth criminal kind of way. and
>Janet went into heavy Madonna overdrive in pushing her Cat
>front and center.
>
>however Jam and Lewis would tell you "thats the way love goes"
>was there last prime and peak joint with Janet.
>
>all that Alex Trabek side dish for the Janet album ain't
>holding up.
>
>now "Again" was used for "Poetic Justice" and it got some
>attention, however her best stuff was from 86-90 Yo.
>
>now if you said her tour and live show got better from the
>90's onward I'll give you dap and a coke with a smile for
>that, however studio game was hit and miss and then below
>zero.

you not getting it....

No one said Janet dominated the 90s...

Here's what was said...YOU said Janet only had two classic/big albums...

And I said she had 3...

I gave you facts and figures....And you gave me your opinion....

Everybody has opinions Maxx...I do to...But it was never about that...

You are talking in circles....Either "janet" is her biggest selling album to date and spawned her biggest tour, and had just as many hits as Rhythm Nation and had her biggest single of her career....Or it doesn't...It's as simple as that....

There's no in between....Except when it comes to your opinion, which I'm not here to debate...

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it didn't hit the same as control and rhythm nation brother is all i'm saying. she was a superstar at that time an point and from the singles perspective she could do what she wanted,however that album wasn't that good imo.

that weak duet with Chuck D alone nearly made the pittsburgh pirates ban him from ever rocking there caps again.

and the 99 interludes were way too much on that album imo.

i had that album back when it first dropped and it was cute, however not memorable however to each and there on, 2 albums that truly counted playa.

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>it didn't hit the same as control and rhythm nation
>brother is all i'm saying.

But it did...That's my point...

Hell...it (the janet album) even transformed JJ to an even bigger artist GLOBALLY...It's her biggest selling album, Maxx...It was acclaimed by critics (just as the other two albums was) and it featured her biggest single to date...

Again, what u (and brother Bomb, to a point) are arguing is your own views on the album...If this was a debate about your critical thoughts on the album, then I feel u...That's a debate...

But facts are facts...The numbers don't lie in terms of what Janet achieved on that album...Now after that, sure, Janet Jackson hit a downslide...

But this^^^has nothing to do with the success of that album and how it was viewed by the general public...

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i don't know what critics you are referencing because musician magazine said she still ain't got a thriller in her.

she was never a musical heavyweight to begin with,however the cuts were there in the past. this album sold more off her brand and hype than it being that good man.

to each and there own brother man. peace

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I don't remember critics giving it the same love they gave Rhythm Nation and it being a commercial success as we're saying is more a culmination of the lead single along with how big she had gotten on the back of the prior two albums.

The momentum was set for it to be enormous but how many songs on there do you still here now compared to the previous albums?

were semi side dishes.

good cuts, however nothing like the 4-5 hits that ran off control and rhythm nation and Murph knows that already.

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>I don't remember critics giving it the same love they gave
>Rhythm Nation and it being a commercial success as we're
>saying is more a culmination of the lead single along with how
>big she had gotten on the back of the prior two albums.
>
>The momentum was set for it to be enormous but how many songs
>on there do you still here now compared to the previous
>albums?


All I know is it spawned just as many Top 10 hits as Rhythm Nation (Six), contained the biggest single of her career, and is her biggest selling album....And it got great reviews...

It's not like the 5th or 6th single from Rhythm Nation is getting played on radio TODAY...lol...So that's a moot point...

Again, all this comes down to your own critical view of that "janet" album....And I will never win a debate on that because that's your opinion...

What I can emphatically win, however, is this business of it not being a big/classic album for Janet Jackson...Obviously, the way that album was welcomed by fans and critics despite the fact that this was a totally new direction musically and image wise for Jackson was huge for her career...It represented Janet Jackson at her peak---from having her biggest album sales, getting recognition as not simply being a Jam & Lewis puppet and spawning her biggest tour...

Is it more of a revelation than Control? Nope....Is it more groundbreaking than Rhythm Nation? Nope....But was Janet a classic album for JJ? Yep...

It is what it is...

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fuck you.

The Albums, Tours, Hits & Icon Status get her in the Hall of Fame. If she can't get in..........Nobody from the last 25+ years should get in..lol

"Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds."-Albert Einstein

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It may take a couple of years, but she'll be there. "Nipplegate" should by no means shy voters away from her inclusion.

1. She's got three (maayyyyyybeeeee four?.....I miiiight give Velvet Rope some consideration) bona fide classics.

2. A shitload of classic songs.

3. A great performance/showmanship reputation (wispy voice be damned, that woman can move)

4. Style/fashion influence.

5. AND she's more than held her own in a family of music royalty.


She's in.

had a more successful run than Janet.

Then Madonna was enough of an asshole to not even perform?

Nah, if I was Jann Wenner I would have pulled her induction card for that alone.

Don't trot out Iggy Pop's wiry ass like his music has anything to do with yours or you're above performing for a group you shouldn't even be in.

The term 'rock and roll' I guess is essentially meaningless at this point but I don't want them to feel obligated to put in every pop star who sold a bunch of records.

Oddly enough maybe I'm a bit of a hypocrite since I do however support the inductions of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, Run-DMC, the Beasties & the sure-to-be-coming-soon Public Enemy induction but those four always felt more 'rock & roll' to me than Madonna or Janet ever were.

>Oddly enough maybe I'm a bit of a hypocrite since I do however
>support the inductions of Grandmaster Flash & The Furious
>Five, Run-DMC, the Beasties & the sure-to-be-coming-soon
>Public Enemy induction but those four always felt more 'rock &
>roll' to me than Madonna or Janet ever were.


Yes...u are a hypocrite...lol (jokes)

Don't get bogged down on the whole "rock & roll" term...It ain't that serious...

The problem isn't Madonna getting in...It's who continues to get snubbed...

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so we can't blame your stance on you being a misogynist.

b/c if you wouldn't put Madge in i'm curious about women who you think belong and why they belong when Madge doesn't.

fuck you.

and hopefully not a downward spiral leading to Britney eventually being in.

I'd put The Pretenders or PJ Harvey in before Madonna.

fuck you.

i wasn't being sarcastic.

you answered the question i asked.

fuck you.

>i wasn't being sarcastic.
>
>you answered the question i asked.

who should be in RIGHT NOW....

Donna Summers
Rush
New Edition
LL Cool J
Russell Simmons/Rick Rubin (as non artists)
Eric B & Rakim
Pretenders
Luther Vandross
The Cars
Chic
Kiss
Whitney Houston
Def Leppard
Barry White
Janet
Duran Duran
Chaka Khan
Krafwerk
Hall & Oats
Sonic Youth

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>Donna Summers
>New Edition
>LL Cool J
>Russell Simmons/Rick Rubin (as non artists)
>Kiss
>Whitney Houston
>Def Leppard
>Duran Duran
>Chaka Khan
>Krafwerk
>Sonic Youth

fuck you.

>>Donna Summers
>>New Edition
>>LL Cool J
>>Russell Simmons/Rick Rubin (as non artists)
>>Kiss
>>Whitney Houston
>>Def Leppard
>>Duran Duran
>>Chaka Khan
>>Krafwerk
>>Sonic Youth
>

Lots of bands in that should have gotten in after Kiss. Shit, Kiss should have been in before Guns'n'Roses

Fuck Kiss along with all their lines of lame swag they sell.

smart business cats though, however didn't do much for me musically. almost a spinal tap act in hindsight

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>almost a spinal tap act in hindsight

...in the sense that the thing that made them notorious (=hype, image etc.) back in the day, is also what today prevents them from being seen as a pretty damn good band because they are viewed more as pop-culture phenomenons than musical artists. Anyway, I love the early Kiss-stuff and they are a musically important and influential band, especially in terms of acting as a bridge between the early 70's proto-punk as well as more stripped down and basic hard rock and 80's hair-metal...

>Fuck Kiss along with all their lines of lame swag they sell.



I've struggled with Kiss' inclusion as well for years...But I think they were too much of a cultural force to front on...The thing for me is their concerts have always been their calling card..I like about 5 or six Kiss songs....But when I watch them in some of those old 70s concerts, they indeed showed what made them matter....

They were the biggest and most entertaining touring "rock" act of their era...It's no wonder that their biggest record is a concert album....

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...is SO fucking great. Honestly, without that record ("Alive", the first one), I wouldn't rate them too highly either even if I dig "Rock'n'roll over" and "Love Gun" a lot as well. However, "Alive" takes care of the first three albums, weed out the filler and play the songs much more energetic, rocking and raw and with better sound to boot...

but it certainly is their best album in terms of capturing an energy in their music.

The problem to me is that I just don't think they wrote good songs, they've got a couple cool riffs.

Honestly I wouldn't begrudge them HOF status on an objective level, they're just so fucking corny to me I can't really even pretend to like them.

They've got less good songs than Motley Crue to me & I can only think of maybe five from that overrated band whose given credit more for being 'rock & roll' than actually performing a good version of it.

I think they wrote great songs but were a pretty lousy band (Peter Criss in particular-that's a lame drummer right there). Simmons had some cool bass-runs and I dig Ace's solos but I don't find them very distinct as a band outside of the vocals (everyone in the band had a killer voice IMO even if Ace sounded more "cool" than good from a technical perspective) and their riffs were not too good with some exceptions like "Deuce", "Parasite" and "She"; they were more about melodies.
"Strutter", "Deuce", "Come on and love me", "See you in your dreams", "Hard luck woman", "Detroit rock city", "God of thunder", "Mr Speed", "She", "Parasite", "Christine Sixteen", "Goin' blind" etc.-SO many nice songs

Anyway, M�tley Crue was even more of a shitty band but they nailed the NWOBHM-gone-pop vibe with their first two albums and to me, noone did that stuff better. In the first, more gritty and "metal" (as opposed to pop or Rock'n'roll), wave of US hair/pop-metal bands, they were the best in terms of songs; W.A.S.P came close on their debut but Crue had two killer albums (I don't even rate the stuff they did after "Shout at the devil") whereas W.A.S.P. only had one...

>I think they wrote great songs but were a pretty lousy band
>(Peter Criss in particular-that's a lame drummer right there).
>Simmons had some cool bass-runs and I dig Ace's solos but I
>don't find them very distinct as a band outside of the vocals
>(everyone in the band had a killer voice IMO even if Ace
>sounded more "cool" than good from a technical perspective)
>and their riffs were not too good with some exceptions like
>"Deuce", "Parasite" and "She"; they were more about melodies.
>"Strutter", "Deuce", "Come on and love me", "See you in your
>dreams", "Hard luck woman", "Detroit rock city", "God of
>thunder", "Mr Speed", "She", "Parasite", "Christine Sixteen",
>"Goin' blind" etc.-SO many nice songs
>
See all those songs sound the same to me before we even get to the lyrics & I don't enjoy any of them vocally.

And no I don't think they were a good band either, they had a couple cool riffs to anchor a couple of those songs was my only real concession.

Deuce was specifically one of the ones I had in mind when I typed that out (I listened to Alive straight-thru on Spotify while working this morning as a result of this post), can't recall the others offhand maybe Black Diamond & yeah She's not bad either (think I counted 3 or 4).

By the end, it felt like a grind and all blended together.

This band & their act is pretty much garbage as far as I'm concerned.

>Anyway, M�tley Crue was even more of a shitty band but they
>nailed the NWOBHM-gone-pop vibe with their first two albums
>and to me, noone did that stuff better. In the first, more
>gritty and "metal" (as opposed to pop or Rock'n'roll), wave of
>US hair/pop-metal bands, they were the best in terms of songs;
>W.A.S.P came close on their debut but Crue had two killer
>albums (I don't even rate the stuff they did after "Shout at
>the devil") whereas W.A.S.P. only had one...

Agreed, the few songs Motley Crue did (I'd guestimate at least 5 but less than 10 cuts in total) pretty much all came from the first two albums with the possible exception of 'Kickstart My Heart'.

I'd rather listen to 'Appetite' than a compilation of my favorite songs from both of these bands entire catalogs put together.

You can not listen to this and say it sounds like typical Kiss or that it's bad songwriting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HM4K1mWIpU

As you can probably guess, the song was written for Rod Stewart to perform by Stanley but for some reason, he declined and Criss does an awesome impersonation. Anyway, that's some ace classic rock balladery right there (the "Sailers only daughter"-part is absolutely gorgeous) and had anyone else than Kiss recorded it, it would be considered a classic IMO... MUCH better than the "Beth"-shit as well...

And this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH0e84zjUQM Ignore the retarded lyrics; sounds like Dinosaur Jr in the guitars-awesome song with a chorus that's awesome...

Whatever...

>
>And this one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH0e84zjUQM Ignore
>the retarded lyrics; sounds like Dinosaur Jr in the
>guitars-awesome song with a chorus that's awesome...
>

>who should be in RIGHT NOW....
>
>Donna Summers
Split on this but I'd say yes
>Rush
Yes
>New Edition
No
>LL Cool J
Yes
>Russell Simmons/Rick Rubin (as non artists)
Yes
>Eric B & Rakim
Hmm, *I* think they belong but I find it difficult to make a strong case beyond Rakim's importance to the art of emceeing.
>Pretenders
HELL no! I could list dozens of acts from that era that should be in before them, wack band.
>Luther Vandross
No. He is a great singer with many killer songs and popular with the R&B-crowd but I don't think he belongs by any rockist-standards...
>The Cars
No but they were better than the Pretenders. However, that's a time-period band to the core; might as well induct Huey Lewis&the News
>Chic
Yes, the definitive pick from the disco-era and they even fit rockist-qualifications...
>Kiss
Yes!!!
>Whitney Houston
Yes
>Def Leppard
Yes
>Barry White
Yes
>Janet
No
>Duran Duran
No
>Chaka Khan
Yes
>Krafwerk
MEGA-yes
>Hall & Oats
No
>Sonic Youth
Yes

The "rockist" stamp for the Hall doesn't matter much amymore...R&B music is the big brother to rock...And the blues is the father and mother....

That's why you will see Donna Summers make it (besides the Hall's embarrassment following her death)....And that's why Luther Vandross (you want rock credibility? He sang on some of David Bowie's most important work in the 70's) will make it...Because they will award him for dominating his genre...

And Hall & Oats? Their stock is rising as we speak--they have become Internet darlings and now the "cool" groups r giving them props as songwriters...And it doesn't hurt that they are the biggest music duo in history in terms of hits...Plus they helped bring David Ruffin and Eddie Kendricks back...The Hall loves that type of shit...lol

Bottom line: The Rock Hall is about to open its doors in a big way...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

also Ray Parker Jr

Jam and Lewis

Babyface and LA

Lionel B.Richie

eL debarge

Whitney Houston

Bill Withers

Charlie Wilson and the Gap Band

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>also Ray Parker Jr


No...But underrated musician and songwriter...


>Jam and Lewis

Emphatic yes....

>Babyface and LA

On the fence with them...Wouldn't be mad if it happened though...

>Lionel B.Richie

I like him with the Commodores...And his early 80's hits were legit...So if you combine that, then yeah...He's In...


>eL debarge


No...Love El though....


>Whitney Houston


Yes...She will get in because she is viewed as the most gifted vocalist of her generation...Even if her music was at times cheese wiz...


>Bill Withers

Yep...

>Charlie Wilson and the Gap Band

I love Uncle Charlie....But before they get in, I think other R&B groups should get the call...I like the Spinners...And I think the Ohio Players had a bigger impact....

As for Rick James? I think he burned out too quick...Had he died after that Cold Blooded album, then he would probably get in...But the rest of his years overshadowed his musical impact, which is unfortunate...

Rick is on the fence...But his overall talent cannot be questioned...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

all them folks outta get in.

do you know Ray parker Jr's history? and yo just as a Session man for Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder,Dizzy GLissppe, the writing of big hits for himself and others he deserves to be in there. they have acts in there who couldn't carry Ray's 80's Shag ok Man?

no fence when you dominanted with a Label and wrote and Produced the kind of big hits that Babyface and LA did.


Rick James had hits, and big hits for others, etc... the amount of times he has been sampled alone says let him in already.

El debarge the sampling of his music alone says open the doors and he had a successful group and solo career.

that nit picking with Lionel B Richie is truly Outragious and Bias on your part. ain't too many acts have had a high tier Band career and solo career as this Man and he has won every award and was a dominant Musical figure, etc.. that is a no brainer

Charlie Wilson successful band and solo career sampled a whole bunch of times and Arguably the most influential sound of the New Jack Swing era yeah he belongs.

good call on the Ohio Players and the Spinners. except they are extra too black.

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>all them folks outta get in.
>
>do you know Ray parker Jr's history? and yo just as a Session
>man for Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder,Dizzy GLissppe, the writing
>of big hits for himself and others he deserves to be in there.
> they have acts in there who couldn't carry Ray's 80's Shag
>ok Man?


I know all that Maxx...But you want to know what he will go down for? "Ghostbusters"....


>no fence when you dominanted with a Label and wrote and
>Produced the kind of big hits that Babyface and LA did.

They on the fence because it's tough for Jam & Lewis to get in (who should have gotten in a few years ago)...And they were better than Face and Reid....


>Rick James had hits, and big hits for others, etc... the
>amount of times he has been sampled alone says let him in
>already.


Nah...He needed a comeback to make that happen...His "comeback" was attached to a catch phrase...And you know how I feel about Rick...He always deserved better...

>El debarge the sampling of his music alone says open the
>doors and he had a successful group and solo career.


Never had the solo career that he should have had...So no...

>that nit picking with Lionel B Richie is truly Outragious and
>Bias on your part. ain't too many acts have had a high tier
>Band career and solo career as this Man and he has won every
>award and was a dominant Musical figure, etc.. that is a no
>brainer

Lionel gets in...His Commodores work is a big boost...The only thing that hurts him is he is viewed as "un-cool"....


>Charlie Wilson successful band and solo career sampled a whole
>bunch of times and Arguably the most influential sound of the
>New Jack Swing era yeah he belongs.

Nah...I don't think they getting in...I think Charlie and them were DOPE though....

Spinners had much of their success in the 70s just like the O'Jays...And the Hall loves that old soul music...So it's shocking that they have not gotten the call...Because the O'Jays (who were too black as well) have been inducted into the Hall...


>good call on the Ohio Players and the Spinners. except they
>are extra too black.


See above....Both the Spinners and Ohio Players had more pop success that Charlie and them....But that's another discussion...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

ghostbusters is a known money track and factor in everything else i said he deserves to be in.

faceand la are equal to jam and lewis imo the thing jam and lewis got over la and face is janet jackson.

i mean Babyface successful solo career, songwriter producer for others record company success industry jewelry, he dominated for a while.

el debarge the sampling and use of his music alone.


the spinners and thom bell should be in.

one black rule at a time man from the same block.

rick james for super freak and his impact on hip hop through the sampling alone merits the birth of getting in. the most sampled artist award before he died from ascap says he should be in.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

how is war not in the rock and roll hall of fame

*professional lurker*

>how is war not in the rock and roll hall of fame


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She had a pretty short run in comparison with legends that are arguably still doing it today, no?

I mean MJB has had a longer career if you really think about it.

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that Nipplegate shit...


Before that..I think it's NO QUESTION that Janet got in the Hall..I mean even after her hit making days were slowing down she STILL had enough juice to perform at the Super Bowl....

So she was on her way to First Ballot

She may still get in after a couple tries..maybe in a year where theres a relatively 'weaker' class up, but the industry is still unfairly holding that moment against Miss Jackson.

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Barry Bonds was the best baseball player in nearly a half century or more, the best of his generation even before the known steroid period.

Janet Jackson didn't have remotely that impact.

Janet was more like a borderline Hall of Famer with a more-reknown brother like Dom DiMaggio was.

Mickey Mantile. i mean Janet had a couple of outter body moments, however it ain't like she was that kind of talent IMO

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

.

I think Nigglegate is doing that to Janet like Steroid allegations is doing to B. Bonds.

Im not really saying Janet's dominance in her field is comparable to Bonds(Shit, Bonds was on his way to being considered THE greatest baseball player ever..not one of....THE)..

Im saying Nipplegate damn near wiped out her whole career, comparable to Bond's Steroidgate did to him.

You couldn't really get any higher than Janet level of cultural impact before that SB incident..She was right under the Prince's, Madonna's, Springsteen's and her own brother in music dominance...all that was gone in a matter of a second..

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....she will, but is undeserving...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

love Janet...

but there are just so many Black artists and bands who are gonna get slept on for the voting...who I think will eventually get in....way before Janet...