Spin-off du jour. I was getting sucked into that conversation about 3 or 4 album runs of greatness, and started thinking about artists/bands I love who fell short of that. Obviously there are plenty.

What is more interesting though are the ones that fell EXTREMELY short even though they were great acts that were around long enough to have done better overall. Who ya got?

The one that blows my mind is The Clash. One of my very favorite bands yet they never strung together two classic albums in a row. In fact only two of their five (or six) albums were even classics. The debut is, and "London Calling" is. "Give 'em Enough Rope" is OK. "Sandanista" is a mess. "Combat Rock" is several great songs and filler. "Cut the Crap" is not even a Clash album as far as I'm concerned. They might have the worst overall catalog of a truly great band.

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i love a lot of their songs,
but the only album they did that was perfect from beginning to end
was "3+3."

and maybe "harvest for the world."


but yeah. a lot of their album cuts are just... there.

the singles really do give you the best representation of their material.

Not ALL of them, but most of the mid to late 70s ones are very enjoyable to me. A few weak tracks here and there, but nothing that I feel like I have to skip either.

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anybody who is a true Old school R&B Head is going to disagree with lumping the Isley Brothers in this mix because they always had a cut.

now mind you there formula was one side of slow jams and the other side the fast side,however it worked like a charm especially during the 3+3 era.

had they stayed on motown then i would support them being seeing as such, however there t neck/cbs era days they made tight albums, songs, etc..

i love the Isley Brothers all eras

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

thats a helluva run for any artist

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John Lennon's solo albums.

Nas

Alot of jazz guys during the 80's like George Benson.

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90's

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I liked his 90's run:

Rei Momo (Well, technically 89 but October of 89)
Uh-Oh
David Byrne
Feelings

They don't even have a GREAT album IMO ("Sell out" comes closest). Yet, their singles in the 60's (NOT 70's, they were wack then) is some of the dopest rock ever...

Buzzcocks is another great band with a reasonably high reputation that should never have made albums.

Jefferson Airplane's entire reputation (well, almost) rest on two songs. Not that they didn't make other good stuff but without those songs, they would have been as big as the Peanut Butter Conspiracy. Anyway, "Surrealistic Pillow" is a good (not great) album and the debut is solid; that's it. Actually, Grateful Dead is another, IMO greater band that doesn't have much either; outside of their reputation as a live-band and a few songs, they wouldn't amount to shit in terms of "album-runs"; "Working mans death" and "American Beauty" are the ones people dig, very slim pickings for such a long career and such legendary status...

As much as it pains me to say this since Jon Lord recently died but Deep Purple was a terribly inconsistent band. "...In Rock" is pretty much the only one of their (studio) *albums* that truly deliver. Yet, they are at least in europe mentioned alongside Zeppelin and Sabbath as the "big 3" early 70's hard-rock/proto-metal bands. Honestly, Mountain or Budgie had better runs.

because all of them except Jefferson Airplane I only own best-ofs. I have The Who's ultimate collection and even though I love a lot of the tracks, it's enough for me. Buzzcocks - "Singles Going Steady" is almost all amazing, but I'm satisfied. With Jefferson Airplane, I have "Surrealistic Pillow" and that's it. And those songs you referred to are SO good that I want the rest to be that good, and it's just not (even though it's decent).

I don't know that the Dead are worth talking about in this way, since they only seemed to make albums out of obligation. They were rightly considered a live act first and foremost, and their reputation is 90% based on that (the other 10% being "American Beauty").

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are albums you'd own.

If you're not, they're probably tedious.

I'm probably somewhere in between, I will say seeing The Who perform 'Quadrophenia' in its entirety for the first time ever at Madison Square Garden in '95 (with Billy Idol as The Bellboy amongst other guests) was pretty damn cool to witness as a teenager.

The Who's best album is Live At Leeds for obvious reasons (it shows why they were easily the best stage act out of The Kinks, Beatles & Stones).

For their mid-60s era (Can't Explain, I'm A Boy, I Can See For Miles, Substitute, etc) singles-collections are all you'd need (truthfully this can be said for just about every major rock band pre-67 or so, that 'London Years' box is the only Stones album you need until Beggar's Banquet).

But in terms of straight songs, Who's Next is or at least was all-killer/no-filler (just the best of the Lifehouse tracks whittled down to 10 cuts) but the reality is at this point almost every song has been played to death.

But back when I was a young kid figuring out rock music through my school bus driver/older-cousins or by hearing it on WMMR/WYSP in Philly, that album was an important part of that process.

As I was approaching adolescence there was no car commercial for 'Bargain', no CSI theme for 'Baba O' Reilly', no CSI: Miami theme for 'Wont Get Fooled Again', Limp Bizkit hadn't hit with a 'Behind Blue Eyes' cover, etc.

Who's Next was just a strong rock album, a classic if you will.

I say that while not having listened to it front-to-back on my own since probably the mid-90s and I can understand why others feel differently at this point.

Few have done more to whore their shit out to the level Townsend/Daltry have & almost no album in rock history has a higher percentage of overplayed tracks on classic-rock radio.

As for Jefferson Airplane, they pretty much just sucked outside of a few select songs & despite their level of acclaim (and the individual skill of guys like Jorma) kinda remain a time-period act.

>But back when I was a young kid figuring out rock music
>through my school bus driver/older-cousins or by hearing it on
>WMMR/WYSP in Philly, that album was an important part of that
>process.

That album is the fucking enemy and the death of mainstream, non-metal/hardrock-type rock that still tries to rock (as opposed to wimpy, experimental or soft stuff). Of course, I always shit on that album so there's no need to do it again though...

>>But back when I was a young kid figuring out rock music
>>through my school bus driver/older-cousins or by hearing it
>on
>>WMMR/WYSP in Philly, that album was an important part of
>that
>>process.
>
>That album is the fucking enemy and the death of mainstream,
>non-metal/hardrock-type rock that still tries to rock (as
>opposed to wimpy, experimental or soft stuff). Of course, I
>always shit on that album so there's no need to do it again
>though...

...which would include 80's and 90's and like everything. I tend to view that particular album (which was very important) as the beginning of "bore-rock". Prior to that album, everything was fine. After:Overblown, pompous, non-energetic and anthemic rather than melodic...

>...which would include 80's and 90's and like everything. I
>tend to view that particular album (which was very important)
>as the beginning of "bore-rock". Prior to that album,
>everything was fine. After:Overblown, pompous, non-energetic
>and anthemic rather than melodic...

any Airplane album, the second & third Doors albums, some Cream, a couple Traffic albums, any of the overrated/now-forgotten hippie acts (Country Joe, Big Brother, Lovin Spoonful), Anthem Of The Sun, Hot Tuna, Steppenwolf, Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, and on and on.

I've also got more great rock albums from 1970 on than I can could even start naming......it's the 80s where things get really hairy for me.

>>...which would include 80's and 90's and like everything. I
>>tend to view that particular album (which was very
>important)
>>as the beginning of "bore-rock". Prior to that album,
>>everything was fine. After:Overblown, pompous, non-energetic
>>and anthemic rather than melodic...
>
>any Airplane album,

No, they were lousy songwriters (somebody to love was written by Grace's brother which means that White Rabbit was literally the only song they managed to land themselves and she had already recorded it with her previous band) but they played good ^music*

the second & third Doors albums,

That band was ass from the get-go...
some
>Cream, a couple Traffic albums,

NOPE! Those bands were excellent *musicians* which means that while their *songs* may have been lacking, they were still doing good shit. Of course, being a good musician doesn't necessarily mean good music but I think both those bands delivered cool jams...
any of the
>overrated/now-forgotten hippie acts (Country Joe, Big Brother,
>Lovin Spoonful), Anthem Of The Sun, Hot Tuna, Steppenwolf,

Lovin Spoonful was an AMAZING band with a consistent catalogue; several of their forgotten album tracks contains songwriting that modern-day indie bands would kill for.
>Piper At The Gates Of Dawn,

That's an amzing album and maybe PF's best one (I think PF's best stuff was in the interrim period between Barett and Waters (not very consistent albums though)

What most of those acts have in common is that they played interesting and happening music whereas the Who cirka "Who's next" was jsut standard-rock blowed up to epic proportions-ERY important difference IMO... Actually, when people use the term "dad-rock" dismissively, that's the album 4tha4t4 comes to mind for4 me.4

Of course, the same people use that term for Stones,CCR and everythin4g that isn't a4nemic, non-rocking, uber-white, 4post-punk rooted indie but I digress...
and on and on.
>
>I've also got more great rock albums from 1970 on than I can
>could even start naming......it's the 80s where things get
>really hairy for me.
¤Rea44l4ly? Out4side of Bowie and Neil Yo4ung, 4I do4n'4t k4now4 too m4any ma44i4n4s4t4r4eam 44444444444444444non-hard-rock artists that ripped it in that era...

>>>...which would include 80's and 90's and like everything.
>I
>>>tend to view that particular album (which was very
>>important)
>>>as the beginning of "bore-rock". Prior to that album,
>>>everything was fine. After:Overblown, pompous,
>non-energetic
>>>and anthemic rather than melodic...
>>
>>any Airplane album,
>
>No, they were lousy songwriters (somebody to love was written
>by Grace's brother which means that White Rabbit was literally
>the only song they managed to land themselves and she had
>already recorded it with her previous band) but they played
>good ^music*
>
I'm less impressed with instrumentation prowess if there's no songs behind it, particularly if it's not a band I'm going to see live.

Their lack of songwriting chops is why they've left such a minor legacy compared to the way they were viewed at the time.

>the second & third Doors albums,
>
First album was good even though they're an overrated band.

>That band was ass from the get-go...
> some
>>Cream, a couple Traffic albums,
>
>NOPE! Those bands were excellent *musicians* which means that
>while their *songs* may have been lacking, they were still
>doing good shit. Of course, being a good musician doesn't
>necessarily mean good music but I think both those bands
>delivered cool jams...

some cool jams, not really good albums though & less good songs then a band like The Who for sure.

> any of the
>>overrated/now-forgotten hippie acts (Country Joe, Big
>Brother,
>>Lovin Spoonful), Anthem Of The Sun, Hot Tuna, Steppenwolf,
>
>Lovin Spoonful was an AMAZING band with a consistent
>catalogue; several of their forgotten album tracks contains
>songwriting that modern-day indie bands would kill for.

Never liked em.

>>Piper At The Gates Of Dawn,
>
>That's an amzing album and maybe PF's best one (I think PF's
>best stuff was in the interrim period between Barett and
>Waters (not very consistent albums though)
>
I like Saucerful of Secrets better & still don't *love* either.

>What most of those acts have in common is that they played
>interesting and happening music whereas the Who cirka "Who's
>next" was jsut standard-rock blowed up to epic proportions-ERY
>important difference IMO... Actually, when people use the term
>"dad-rock" dismissively, that's the album 4tha4t4 comes to
>mind for4 me.4
>
>Of course, the same people use that term for Stones,CCR and
>everythin4g that isn't a4nemic, non-rocking, uber-white,
>4post-punk rooted indie but I digress...
> and on and on.
>>
>>I've also got more great rock albums from 1970 on than I can
>>could even start naming......it's the 80s where things get
>>really hairy for me.
>¤Rea44l4ly? Out4side of Bowie and Neil Yo4ung, 4I do4n'4t
>k4now4 too m4any ma44i4n4s4t4r4eam
>44444444444444444non-hard-rock artists that ripped it in that
>era...

Stones had at least four great post-70 albums, Allmans had a couple, Joni, Springsteen, Floyd, Dylan, Derek & The Dominoes, Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, George Harrison, Zepplin, Creedence, Skynryd, Stooges, Faces/Stewart, AC/DC, Santana, Steely Dan, McCartney, Lennon, Van Halen, Grateful Dead, Sly Stone, Funkadelic, Talking Heads, The Meters, Elvis Costello, Bob Marley, Toots, Stevie, Aerosmith, Van Halen and others all had at least one or in most cases more than one or even several great albums in the '70s.

Now I'm sure you'll pull out a few choice ones as hard-rock rather than rock (which is you're right, though it's sorta all part of the same puzzle to me), take out some of the others as not being rock at all (again, fair to a degree, just sayin) and then shit on the obvious ones (Bruce & Dylan) with more 'singer-songwriter' leanings but Born To Run & Street Legal are pure/great rock records to my ears.

But yeah, let's not make all the 70s out to being Boston & Supertramp type of schlock.

In fact, from a rock & roll perspective it was likely better than most if not all the decades that followed.

>>>>...which would include 80's and 90's and like everything.
>>I
>>>>tend to view that particular album (which was very
>>>important)
>>>>as the beginning of "bore-rock". Prior to that album,
>>>>everything was fine. After:Overblown, pompous,
>>non-energetic
>>>>and anthemic rather than melodic...
>>>
>>>any Airplane album,
>>
>>No, they were lousy songwriters (somebody to love was
>written
>>by Grace's brother which means that White Rabbit was
>literally
>>the only song they managed to land themselves and she had
>>already recorded it with her previous band) but they played
>>good ^music*
>>
>I'm less impressed with instrumentation prowess if there's no
>songs behind it, particularly if it's not a band I'm going to
>see live

Agreed but at the same time, it'¨s <'music* we are talking about (remember that my favorite type of music by far is jazz)-if the solos mand grooves or whatever is ther4e, I can still enjoy listening to it and while I find JA not too remar4kable in that area, they still play a type of music I dig (=psychedelic 60's rock; there were WAY better bands than them though)

>Their lack of songwriting chops is why they've left such a
>minor legacy compared to the way they were viewed at the
>time.

Their name still comes up though as an epitome of psych-rock. Of course, that is based on their two hits but whatever...
>
>>the second & third Doors albums,
>>
>First album was good even though they're an overrated band.

Honestly, I don't see the difference between debut and "Strange Days" except that "WHen the musics over" is a better epic than the End and
since those constitute a good third-fourth of their respective albums, I have to give the edge to the second one, especially since I find the non-epics stronger (rea eople are strange, title track, love me two times), still ass as a whole though




>
>>That band was ass from the get-go...
>> some
>>>Cream, a couple Traffic albums,
>>
>>NOPE! Those bands were excellent *musicians* which means
>that
>>while their *songs* may have been lacking, they were still
>>doing good shit. Of course, being a good musician doesn't
>>necessarily mean good music but I think both those bands
>>delivered cool jams...
>
>some cool jams, not really good albums though & less good
>songs then a band like The Who for sure.

Less good songs than the Who in the 60's-sure. the Who in the 70's-NO WAY!!!
>

>Stones had at least four great post-70 albums, Allmans had a
>couple, Joni, Springsteen, Floyd, Dylan, Derek & The Dominoes,
>Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, George Harrison, Zepplin, Creedence,
>Skynryd, Stooges, Faces/Stewart, AC/DC, Santana, Steely Dan,
>McCartney, Lennon, Van Halen, Grateful Dead, Sly Stone,
>Funkadelic, Talking Heads, The Meters, Elvis Costello, Bob
>Marley, Toots, Stevie, Aerosmith, Van Halen and others all had
>at least one or in most cases more than one or even several
>great albums in the '70s.
>
>Now I'm sure you'll pull out a few choice ones as hard-rock
>rather than rock (which is you're right, though it's sorta all
>part of the same puzzle to me)

A large amount, yes,

, take out some of the others as
>not being rock at all

Not necessarily but soft and/or esoteric, yes which is a "genre" I made sure to exclude. Shit, Carole King's "Tapestry" is one4 of my GOAT albums but that's REALLY not what I'm talking about...

>But yeah, let's not make all the 70s out to being Boston &
>Supertramp type of schlock.

Well, that's the *spiritual* spawn of "Who's Next" IMO
>
>In fact, from a rock & roll perspective it was likely better
>than most if not all the decades that followed.

Agreed but this is coming from the resident Stooges/Sabbath/AC/DC dude...

EDIT:And why the hell would you mention funk and reggae albums to make a point, come on man! Ilove that shit too but again, REALLY not what I was referring to

>>>>>...which would include 80's and 90's and like
>everything.
>>>I
>>>>>tend to view that particular album (which was very
>>>>important)
>>>>>as the beginning of "bore-rock". Prior to that album,
>>>>>everything was fine. After:Overblown, pompous,
>>>non-energetic
>>>>>and anthemic rather than melodic...
>>>>
>>>>any Airplane album,
>>>
>>>No, they were lousy songwriters (somebody to love was
>>written
>>>by Grace's brother which means that White Rabbit was
>>literally
>>>the only song they managed to land themselves and she had
>>>already recorded it with her previous band) but they played
>>>good ^music*
>>>
>>I'm less impressed with instrumentation prowess if there's
>no
>>songs behind it, particularly if it's not a band I'm going
>to
>>see live
>
>Agreed but at the same time, it'¨s <'music* we are talking
>about (remember that my favorite type of music by far is
>jazz)-if the solos mand grooves or whatever is ther4e, I can
>still enjoy listening to it and while I find JA not too
>remar4kable in that area, they still play a type of music I
>dig (=psychedelic 60's rock; there were WAY better bands than
>them though)
>
>>Their lack of songwriting chops is why they've left such a
>>minor legacy compared to the way they were viewed at the
>>time.
>
>Their name still comes up though as an epitome of psych-rock.
>Of course, that is based on their two hits but whatever...
>>
>>>the second & third Doors albums,
>>>
>>First album was good even though they're an overrated band.
>
>Honestly, I don't see the difference between debut and
>"Strange Days" except that "WHen the musics over" is a better
>epic than the End and
>since those constitute a good third-fourth of their respective
>albums, I have to give the edge to the second one, especially
>since I find the non-epics stronger (rea eople are strange,
>title track, love me two times), still ass as a whole though
>
Soul Kitchen's one of their best songs to me, Break On Through, End Of The Night was a cool little slinky/spooky cut (plus I liked the Blake incorporation), I pretty much like that album altogether but I'm realizing I meant Waiting For The Sun & Soft Parade & had skipped Strange Days so my bad.

Strange Days isn't bad, I'd rank the debut best with some order of Morrison Hotel/LA Woman/Strange Days behind it and then the other two distantly behind those.

But yeah, overall a fairly overrated band even though I liked them a lot as a teenager.
>
>
>
>>
>>>That band was ass from the get-go...
>>> some
>>>>Cream, a couple Traffic albums,
>>>
>>>NOPE! Those bands were excellent *musicians* which means
>>that
>>>while their *songs* may have been lacking, they were still
>>>doing good shit. Of course, being a good musician doesn't
>>>necessarily mean good music but I think both those bands
>>>delivered cool jams...
>>
>>some cool jams, not really good albums though & less good
>>songs then a band like The Who for sure.
>
>Less good songs than the Who in the 60's-sure. the Who in the
>70's-NO WAY!!!
>>
>
>>Stones had at least four great post-70 albums, Allmans had a
>>couple, Joni, Springsteen, Floyd, Dylan, Derek & The
>Dominoes,
>>Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, George Harrison, Zepplin, Creedence,
>>Skynryd, Stooges, Faces/Stewart, AC/DC, Santana, Steely Dan,
>>McCartney, Lennon, Van Halen, Grateful Dead, Sly Stone,
>>Funkadelic, Talking Heads, The Meters, Elvis Costello, Bob
>>Marley, Toots, Stevie, Aerosmith, Van Halen and others all
>had
>>at least one or in most cases more than one or even several
>>great albums in the '70s.
>>
>>Now I'm sure you'll pull out a few choice ones as hard-rock
>>rather than rock (which is you're right, though it's sorta
>all
>>part of the same puzzle to me)
>
>A large amount, yes,
>
>, take out some of the others as
>>not being rock at all
>
>Not necessarily but soft and/or esoteric, yes which is a
>"genre" I made sure to exclude. Shit, Carole King's "Tapestry"
>is one4 of my GOAT albums but that's REALLY not what I'm
>talking about...
>
>>But yeah, let's not make all the 70s out to being Boston &
>>Supertramp type of schlock.
>
>Well, that's the *spiritual* spawn of "Who's Next" IMO
>>
I cannot follow the logic of Who's Next birthing The Logical Song anymore than Zepplin fostering Foreigner or Nevermind devolving into Nickelback.

Even if there's truth to that I can't hold the band responsible for the sins that followed.

>>In fact, from a rock & roll perspective it was likely better
>>than most if not all the decades that followed.
>
>Agreed but this is coming from the resident
>Stooges/Sabbath/AC/DC dude...
>
>EDIT:And why the hell would you mention funk and reggae albums
>to make a point, come on man! Ilove that shit too but again,
>REALLY not what I was referring to
>
lol, that was what I was referring to as 'not rock at all' above but I was just in a 70s listing phase by then.

However I could argue for The Meters or Funkadelic being rock pretty easily.

Kansas, Journey, REO Speedwagon etc. ? To *me*, the obvious answer has always been "Who's Next" simply because I don't know any earlier albums that has *that* vibe and comparing them to Zeppelin or even Bad Company doen't work for me (Key element:Blues/rock'n'roll influence in tonal language-the Who had left that behind by then, Zeppelin hadn't). Anyway, "Who's Next" SO much feels like a precursor to the type of music that prevented AC/DC going top 100 in the US prior to "Highway to hell" or even Motörhead getting a US deal until the mid-80's(basically when they were way past their prime and when other bands had caught up with their innovations)-they were an import only band before that.

Of course, I also hold "Nevermind" responsible for Nickelback etc. but the difference is that I was there at the time; with "Who's Next" I obviously heard it retroactively and I just heard lame stadium-rock...

.

>For their mid-60s era (Can't Explain, I'm A Boy, I Can See For
>Miles, Substitute, etc) singles-collections are all you'd need
>(truthfully this can be said for just about every major rock
>band pre-67 or so, that 'London Years' box is the only Stones
>album you need until Beggar's Banquet).

I basically agree even though I love the Stones (probably my favorite big classic rock group). I actually make do with "Hot Rocks" - the earliest album I own is "Aftermath."

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>
>>For their mid-60s era (Can't Explain, I'm A Boy, I Can See
>For
>>Miles, Substitute, etc) singles-collections are all you'd
>need
>>(truthfully this can be said for just about every major rock
>>band pre-67 or so, that 'London Years' box is the only
>Stones
>>album you need until Beggar's Banquet).
>
>I basically agree even though I love the Stones (probably my
>favorite big classic rock group). I actually make do with
>"Hot Rocks" - the earliest album I own is "Aftermath."
>
I'm a huge Stones fan so I have Flowers, Satanic Majesties, Aftermath, Between The Buttons & Out Of Our Heads but I also have Undercover, Steel Wheels, Voodoo Lounge on the other end.......still, I can admit their essential album material is pretty much 68-78 (and you probably don't need It's Only Rock & Roll or Goat's Head in that window either).

However I'm really not a big Hot Rocks fan, that's got all the songs you're likely sick of by now that are on 'The London Years' but misses some of the less-heralded treats on that collection (Jiving Sister Fanny, Memo From Turner, Spider and the Fly, It's All Over Now).

Very rarely made wholly great albums.

This is a band I feel perfectly comfortable owning their various best-of discs.

--

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News Of The World ('77),
The Game ('80)

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her singles make her a legend.
i've never really heard people give her albums that much shine.

but i've never listened to most of them.

The best were Erotica and Confessions on a Dancefloor. But none of them are really that bad. Always something interesting to me anyways.

That albums was a disaster IMO, the debut and "Like a Prayer" are better... "Like a virgin" and "True Blue" are both inconsistent but the amount of classic songs still make them beat "Erotica"...

Forget about Like A Prayer and Like A Hooka. This is her finest hour IMO.

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That became hits for other artists.

Her "I'm In Love" was the most consistent solo album she recorded.

Go Smack yourself and then apologize to your hand for looking stupid - Case_One

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Holiday by Madonna, I Feel Good All Over by Stephanie Mills, Rush Rush by Paula Abdul, All The Man That I Need by Whitney and a heap of others I can't remember right now. She's notorious for rejecting 'em.

There was a thread about it in the org couple of years ago, and if that list is accurate, Patti should've NEVER opened her mouth to the press about why "won't she get a hit record". Word that she wanted to reject "Love Wants You & Need You" too till Gamble & Huff had to play some mind games on her, on some "yeah, you probably can't sing it" shit.

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that shit was tight, then again i was junior in high school.

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I have a debate literally every month about how Meth is the most disappointing rapper of all time, lol

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living color black rocking band and a lead singer who could sing 1)

Jaco Pasterious incredible Bass player and it ended way too soon 2)

Shuggie Ottis the link between Sly Stone, Rick James, Prince, and others 3)

Terrence Trent Darby the link between Sam Cooke and R.Kelly and the whole neo soul movement 4)

Lauyrn Hill seemed to be the next big thing and had it all 5)

CLifford Brown died early and talk about a incredible trumpet player woooo wee 5)

Donny Osmond a talented cat just didn't get it all together but talented 6)

George Michael a talented cat whose self indulgence and attitude held him back for even more IMO 7)

Vince Gill one of my favorite country singers and guitar players and he seem to have it going in the right direction however too many hit and miss projects still a badd player though 8)

Steve Perry one of the baddest white boy singers ever and yet the solo career never matched the journey days and he is remembered however nowhere near where he should be 9)

Guns and Roses as important as they were it easily could have been even greater where it not for ego and atittude 10)

the DOC one of the coldest MC's ever however after that accident he was never the same and what a loss because he had a ill spit game 11)

the Carpenters karen Carpenter might just be the baddest white female singer ever those harmonys however there singles are timeless however i wonder how she would have sounded had she lived to get older and so much talent there. i love the carpenters. 12)

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

. . .Bob Dylan in the 80's.

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Frequently touted as one of the best and most important mc's of his era and I would agree but damn what an underwhelming *run* he has. Kool G. Rap is another one whose greatness and legend-status can't really be explained in terms of album-runs. Shit, dude barely has any classic *songs*...

followed by obligatory ducking for cover.

Seriously though, his catalog is nowhere near as good as his outsized legend status.

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Typically mentioned as one of the best and most legendary death metal acts and I would agree but that's an underwhelming catalogue right there. A debut that smoked everything in its path and then? A good follow-up that feels more like two different EP's to me (the disparity between the state-of-the-art modern death metal on the first side and the simple, re-recorded oldies on the second side is too jarring-shit, "Ancient ones" and "Abominations" are barely death metal but more Mercyful Fate with growled vocals) and an EXTREMELY overrated (amongst their fans) third album. After that? Ehhh...

Of course, few extreme metal bands do too many great albums but Morbid Angel stands out to me as a band that happened to come across with a radical style when the sub-genre was new (well, at least in a record-as opposed to demo-context) and then pretty much just coasted on their rep (actually, they experimented a lot unlike a lot of other bands but I just think they watered down their formula)...

Only to you and me is there any logical reason for that leap!

I like their stuff better than you do, it sounds like, but they're not one of my favorites catalog-wise either. I really like "Abominations" and consider it a proper album even if they don't. That shit is evil. "Altars" is an all-time death metal classic, obviously. "Blessed" - you make a good case but I do really like it anyway, maybe in part because I'm so partial to their earlier and more primitive stuff. I agree that "Covenant" is very overrated, though I do like it. Let's not even speak of "Domination"... now, I DO really enjoy "Formulas" and "Gateways" both, even though Vincent was the better vocalist for the band. The former is just balls-out fury (probably their best post-ABC album) and the latter is weird, doomy, and falls right in my wheelhouse for curveball albums that no one likes as much as I do. After "Gateways" I think they lost it - "Heretic" is just mediocre, and the laughable stuff I heard from their last album tells me I'm done with them.

Who in death metal has the best catalog to you? (I realize we're off-topic, but whatever.) I'd probably go with Dismember - lots of albums, three or four of them classic and none of them actually bad. Death has a strong argument in their favor but I'm not in love with them even at their peak. Suffocation has a lot of good albums but honestly there's only a couple that I couldn't live without. One of my favorite left-field choices is Merciless - I really like that band and they never put out a bad release (plus their debut is a stunner).

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Since I actually dig Heartwork, Carcass deserves a mention as well. Death has an incredibly strong catalogue I think despite the fact that "their" style was never s cool as MA's. Immolation is a good example of a workmanlike, B-level band that has made it to A-level status simply off the basis of a strong, consistent catalogue that's (almost) througoutly enjoyable...

Of course, I could also mention bands like Bolt Thrower and Cannibal Corpse but I don't really dig those bands but I'm sure that they by "objective" standards qualify as bands with consistently strong catalogs...

>Since I actually dig Heartwork, Carcass deserves a mention as
>well.

"Heartwork"... ew.

>Death has an incredibly strong catalogue I think despite
>the fact that "their" style was never s cool as MA's.
>Immolation is a good example of a workmanlike, B-level band
>that has made it to A-level status simply off the basis of a
>strong, consistent catalogue that's (almost) througoutly
>enjoyable...

Would agree there, also Incantation is worth mentioning in kind of the same category - just one great album but hardly any bad ones.

>Of course, I could also mention bands like Bolt Thrower and
>Cannibal Corpse but I don't really dig those bands but I'm
>sure that they by "objective" standards qualify as bands with
>consistently strong catalogs...

Yeah, that's probably true. Bolt Thrower always seemed like the AC/DC of death metal to me, just doing their thing over and over, but I like AC/DC a lot better. Cannibal Corpse's first few albums are enjoyably sleazy to me but the funny thing is that when they finally got more technically proficient, I stopped caring about them. Everything I've heard after their first few I just feel like... meh.

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...if you view it more as a sort of 90's mainstream metal-album than a death metal album, it's pretty swell-I'll take it over the Pantera/post-thrash Sepultura as well as the crap Megadeth was peddling after "Rust..." without a doubt. And while Steer's riffs were nowhere near as quirky or cool as on the earlier album, it still rocks to me. I feel the same way about "Wolverine Blues" except that the latter is far more appealing to my sensibilites (=more Sabbath/Stooges/Motörhead, less 80's/power-metal)...

>>Death has an incredibly strong catalogue I think despite
>>the fact that "their" style was never s cool as MA's.
>>Immolation is a good example of a workmanlike, B-level band
>>that has made it to A-level status simply off the basis of a
>>strong, consistent catalogue that's (almost) througoutly
>>enjoyable...
>
>Would agree there, also Incantation is worth mentioning in
>kind of the same category - just one great album but hardly
>any bad ones.

Yeah, except they never tried to really change too much whereas Immolation has actually evolved a lot while still sounding somewhat consistent...
>
>>Of course, I could also mention bands like Bolt Thrower and
>>Cannibal Corpse but I don't really dig those bands but I'm
>>sure that they by "objective" standards qualify as bands
>with
>>consistently strong catalogs...
>
>Yeah, that's probably true. Bolt Thrower always seemed like
>the AC/DC of death metal to me, just doing their thing over
>and over, but I like AC/DC a lot better.

I LOvE "Realm of chaos"; it was one of the first death metal albums I heard and it was just more heavy and crushing than practically everything else. I COMPLETELY lost interest after that though; seemed like they just focused on the more mid-tempo/sluggish aspects of their style and while that was what made them stand out, they needed the grind-parts to complement the heaviness; with that aspect weeded out, they just became a boring band that made the same plodding song over and over. Here in sweden, a lot of people LOvE Bolt Thrower and while they sound good or even great in minimal doses (like literally one song at a time), I jsut can't rate them as a good band at all for the past 20 years; they are like the death metal equivalent to dishwater.

Anyway, there are some other bands with solid runs (¤AngelCorpse is a personal favourite who actually ran with many of the best aspects of the MA style but they were not too popular even in this context) but generally, that genre is full of bands that made like 1-2 great albums or even just EP's and/or demos. Honestly, if most DM bands would have broken up shortly after their first 1-2 records, it would not be a major loss and I'm saying this as a fan...

>I feel the same
>way about "Wolverine Blues" except that the latter is far more
>appealing to my sensibilites (=more Sabbath/Stooges/Motörhead,
>less 80's/power-metal)...

Now THAT is an album I can get behind. Post-WB Entombed is kind of cheesy, but that particular album is great. Are you familiar with any of the other death 'n roll bands from that era? Xysma and Convulse each had an album in that style that I really like.

>they are
>like the death metal equivalent to dishwater.

Absolutely. A friend of mine loves them and I always have to resist the urge to say, "...why?"

>Anyway, there are some other bands with solid runs
>(¤AngelCorpse is a personal favourite who actually ran with
>many of the best aspects of the MA style but they were not too
>popular even in this context) but generally, that genre is
>full of bands that made like 1-2 great albums or even just
>EP's and/or demos. Honestly, if most DM bands would have
>broken up shortly after their first 1-2 records, it would not
>be a major loss and I'm saying this as a fan...

Angelcorpse is good, yeah. You're right on with that other point. Lots of death metal bands either lose their energy and drive early on, or they experiment and turn into something weird (how many of the early Swedish bands transformed into gothic metal or whatever? gross). Often times the BEST scenario is that they just repeat themselves reasonably well. Only a few bands managed to do 4+ albums and really deliver the goods every time.

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off the double-disc for hits & then make a mix of stuff outside of that (like Straight Ballin).

most other classic albums. Which makes me question if I really even think it's a classic. Overall I find his albums pretty weak with nice highlights.

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Sandinista and Combat Rock are my top Clash albums.

But, yeah, Cut the Crap is pretty dreadful.

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I love about half of "Combat Rock" and "Sandanista" both, but the other half... yeesh. "Sandanista" is the most problematic because there's a good ten songs on that album that I actively don't want to listen to; they needed an editor so bad. I really think they put literally everything they recorded at that time on the album. The lesser portion of "Combat Rock" is just kind of boring, not actually bad.
Interesting that you'd take those two over "London Calling" though. That album is classic for a reason.

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Had a couple gems early on but never recaptured the magic.

Lyrically, he was always on point and had some high highs, but his albums never totally lived up to the hype.

Monster lyricist, tho.

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after that it's enter at your own risk.

But those first three? Whoo. . .

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it's sorta got that Def Jam late-90s corporate stink on it a bit from a production perspective but he's rapping his ass off on it & I was surprised listening to it how well it holds up.

Then Malpractice drove his career off a cliff, prior to that he had an argument for most consistent MC for nearly a decade.

except I fall more where Austin said he did below. The first 3 are incredible...the 4th, I agree, is a must if you're a Redman fan, but I don't think it's on the level of the first 3. Then like you said, after that it's "enter at your own risk". Well put.

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The first four are extremely impressive. Great even. I'm also a big fan of "Blackout." And I'm of the opinion that "Malpractice" catches too much unnecessary flak.

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that shit was garbage.

I blame that & XO Experience for killing two of my favorite rap acts in the same month in 2001.

Intro and the final song were dope. And I think the song he did anout MJ was cool enough. The rest was about as awful as you could imagine possible. Like, I can't imagine how my favorite MC put out material THAT bad. I wanna wretch just thinking about it.


>I blame that & XO Experience for killing two of my favorite
>rap acts in the same month in 2001.

I archived the post where you explain your active hate of these two albums in vivid detail. I don't think I ever gave a proper final response. Regardless, I agree an "X.O." but agree to disagree with you about "Malpractice." Some weak spots in the final third of it, ut some really strong tracks on there as well.

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I haven't heard 'Reggie' or 'Red Gone Wild' in full, I'm almost scared to do so.

With spotify I've been trying to go back recently to see if I missed late-career gems in hip-hop & it hasn't gone well.

I just listened to Nineteen Naughty Nine Nature's Fury the other weekend & realized why I knew not to ever do it back then.

Mostly, he needs to stop having Saukrates sing (w/ auto-tune cranked up to 12) on his hooks.

>I haven't heard 'Reggie' or 'Red Gone Wild' in full, I'm
>almost scared to do so.

I don't hate "Red Gone Wild." Haven't listened to it in years, but I do remember it had some redeeming qualities. Again, the beginning and end of it were good. It's better than a lot of late career albums by other respected artists.

I also include "Blackout 2", which was better than I ever thought it'd be.

>With spotify I've been trying to go back recently to see if I
>missed late-career gems in hip-hop & it hasn't gone well.
>
>I just listened to Nineteen Naughty Nine Nature's Fury the
>other weekend & realized why I knew not to ever do it back
>then.

LOL, I've never heard that. I think I forgot it ever existed. I give just about anything it's day in court these days, but I think I'll give that a pass.

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but my macbook battery ran out while I was out on my back deck right as I finished it.

the moral of the story: Dirt All By My Lonely is a banger but the rest of the album sucks, has too much Vinnie (I swear he damn near splits the verses on this one), too many cheesy pop joints like Jamborree, some awful nods to the times (a No Limit cut, a Bone Thugs cut, two old-school cuts).

I was right the first time stopping at the third album,.

I've been rediscovering my love for early Treach but this one's a no-go.
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end & realized why I knew not to ever do it back
>>then.
>
>LOL, I've never heard that. I think I forgot it ever existed.
>I give just about anything it's day in court these days, but I
>think I'll give that a pass.

>Intro and the final song were dope. And I think the song he
>did anout MJ was cool enough. The rest was about as awful as
>you could imagine possible. Like, I can't imagine how my
>favorite MC put out material THAT bad. I wanna wretch just
>thinking about it.
>
>
>>I blame that & XO Experience for killing two of my favorite
>>rap acts in the same month in 2001.
>
>I archived the post where you explain your active hate of
>these two albums in vivid detail. I don't think I ever gave a
>proper final response. Regardless, I agree an "X.O." but agree
>to disagree with you about "Malpractice." Some weak spots in
>the final third of it, ut some really strong tracks on there
>as well.

the song with treach and scarface is pretty ridiculous. prior to that point i had written treach off as a novelty act but he SPIT on that one.

Lebron couldn't win a chip without two superstars from his draft class. He didn't just need help. The nigga needed the cheat code to enable god mode.(c)Kira

I like every one of his albums until the most recent one, to some degree/for one reason or another. They each have their moments. I'm just saying from a pure talent standpoint, in addition to his hilarious personality, he could've potentially had one of the best careers ever, but his albums since the first 3 or 4 have been way too uneven.

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Kane didn't get to half that & he's a legend.

and after seeing Jakob and Murph below heckling me a bit (haha), I re-read the original post and would say I was reaching a bit. Like you and Jakob said, having 3 or 4 great albums to start a career is incredible, and wouldn't make one eligible to have a career considered "least" impressive.

So, my bad.

I guess it's just that his post Muddy Waters/Doc's da Name career has disappointed me so much for the most part. That's why he came to mind.

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Seriously, as a solo artist, there aren't that many MCs who have had a better career. I could probably name all of them on one hand. He's in extremely rarified air.

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First three album are pure fire and the fourth one is fucking "on" as well... I don'y know many hip-hop acts as consistent as this dude in his prime; one of my
favorite acts period

Brew....come on dog....lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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The thing is that I genuinely dig a lot of his albums and *do* consider them very strong(Read:"Can't stand myself", "Say it loud", "It's a mother", "It's a new day", "Hot Pants", "
the B
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We need to start the "buy JH a new laptop" fund.

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It's been more than a year now. You can get a used keyboard at a pawn shop for a dollar.

I know you can get keyboards cheap. Whatever, this is what I'm working with; most of the time it looks good IMO...

EDIT:I cang et one for free; I work at an electronics company. Anyway, if it is THAT annoying, I'll stop posting until I worked it out... It's not like I'm Christgau or even Mark prindle...

But sometimes your posts turn into these explosions of 4s - I just thought I'd clown you about it.

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My laptop has been fucked up for Quite a while. Usually, I can handle it but when I'm drunk-forget about it! Anyway, I've been partying tonight-I have two weeks vacation left and wednesday is little saturday-so I don't really care about posts looking good which I can admit is pretty disrespectful but still... I'll do my best. It's not the first time; my Slayer
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There it is
Payback
Its a Mother
Live at Apollo
At the Royal
Hell
Sex Machine
Cold Sweat
Black Caesar sndtrk

i might be leaving one or two out. aka STFU

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