A.M.
Being There (double album)
Summerteeth
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
A Ghost Is Born
Sky Blue Sky
Kicking Television (double live album)
Wilco
The Whole Love

I've said this before�but this new album has me saying it again.

Other than A.M. these guys are flawless.

anyone have those Mermaid Avenue albums?

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that would still make wilco number one here in america tho.


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you're the guy I'm waiting to admit Wilco as the champs.

one day my friend�one day.

how many more great albums do they have to put out?

and the 2011 rematch? First round knockout for Wilco.

Plus for some reason Radiohead have begun to piss me off ever since KoL was released. Their air of self importance is just too much.

Also Wilco keeps changing up their live shows (the 3.5 hour epic show I saw in a tiny 600 seat theater was unforgettable) where Radiohead shows have become somewhat predictable and overloaded with new material.


...but I've shit on Radiohead too much, they're both great bands.

I do agree their discography is stellar.

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I mean, 7 great albums and 1 great live album is a pretty damn good run.

I don't know who else has released that much material at that high of a level in a loooong time.

I could start throwing legendary groups in here but that would just catch hate.

Sonic Youth
R.E.M. (though two of their best were before '85)
Radiohead
Smashing Pumpkins
U2 (ugh)
The Cure
New Order
Pixies
Nirvana
EDIT: The Legendary Roots Crew

I dunno, I'm just brainstorming at this point who *might* be in the discussion.

Most of these bands though just don't have the level of output or are lacking the extremely high batting average that Wilco has.

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>Most of these bands though just don't have the level of output
>or are lacking the extremely high batting average that Wilco
>has.

Even then, Sonic Youth still has them beat.

Pretty sure even Jeff Tweedy would admit that.

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and it's not a matter of quality of quantity.

it's a matter of quality AND quantity.

Wilco has other bands beat.

Look at your own fucking avatar for someone *ELSE* who's got Wilco beat.

They're good, but come on.

And I love how you just immediately disregard anyone who isn't American.

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First of all, Neil is probably my favorite artist ever but, plays with various bands and release solo albums. Plus, in the past 25 years, he hasn't had as strong of a track record.

Second, I haven't said one thing about a band being American or not and could really give a fuck where they're from so I'm not sure where you're drawing that comment from.

but probably radiohead.

wilco is my favorite band, radiohead probably in 2nd place. then a loooooong way before whoever my #3 is.

if I had to rank their top 10 albums in order it would go like this:

OK Computer (10 points)
The Bends (9 points)
Yanke Hotel Foxtrot (8 points)
Being There (7 points)
Summerteeth (6 points)
Sky Blue Sky (5 points)
In Rainbows (4 points
Kid A (3 points)
A Ghost is Born (2 points)
The Whole Love (1 point)

Wilco has 6 albums, compared to Radiohead's 4.

Radiohead 26 points, Wilco 29 points.

wow..... Wilco wins.

I'll let it be because Wilco still won.



>
>OK Computer (10 points)
>The Bends (9 points)
>Yanke Hotel Foxtrot (8 points)
>Being There (7 points)
>Summerteeth (6 points)
>Sky Blue Sky (5 points)
>In Rainbows (4 points
>Kid A (3 points)
>A Ghost is Born (2 points)
>The Whole Love (1 point)
>


but, YHF is the best album to me on that list. For an album to start of with "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart, and then continue to get better the entire way through is remarkable to me.

is your favourite wilco album,no?

AGIB has maybe the highest highs.

but there's just something special about that Sky Blue Sky album.

one of my favorite "sounding" albums.

I love the fact they went for the more simple songwriting style after releasing YHF and AGIB.

those first 4 tracks in a row is possibly the best 4 tracks in a row of any wilco album

YHF is an alltime album period

but giving the whole love only one point is a travesty.

i won't have a real opinion for at least a year.

a lot of albums can really grab me for a month or so, and then get exposed. other albums take me awhile to grow on me, but end up becoming favorites. i wouldn't have put it on my list at all but i really do think it will age well with me.

You left out Amnesiac, Hail to the Theif, Pablo Honey and King of Limbs lol.

and aren't better than those Wilco albums.

lol

Wait what? Neither Amnesiac or Hail to the thief really? OK.

It's Radiohead by this >>>> much to me, so I didn't catch on to what you were saying.

>You left out Amnesiac, Hail to the Theif, Pablo Honey and
>King of Limbs lol.

amnesiac is pretty good... life in a glasshouse is one of my fave radiohead songs, but its not fucking with those wilco albums..

hail to the thief is meh, a few very good songs, but i can rarely play the entire album

pablo honey is terrible

king of limbs is boring

I was trying to think of a more consistently excellent American band (or band, period) over the last 20 years and I kept coming up nil. Their studio mastery is second to virtually none, including Radiohead. (Although, the consecutive 1-2 punch of OK Computer and Kid A are unarguably unfuckwitable...)

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(Although, the
>consecutive 1-2 punch of OK Computer and Kid A are unarguably
>unfuckwitable...)

I'll take YHF and AGIB over those two any day.

even Summeteeth & YFH

*shrugs*

maybe Thom's bitch ass just gets to me after a while.

lol

it just isn't for you, and that's fine.

okay, i'll immediately contradict myself and say that it possibly IS overrated - but only in the way that truly great albums and artists are.

I just don't think it's the be all and end all like some folks do. Or even Radiohead's best album.

And maybe you're the exception to this, but whenever I have this convo, I tend to catch people with this question: When's the last time you listened to it? And whenever it was, did you actually like it as much as you think you did?

a couple times a year - which is fairly often for me considering how many damn albums I own now. Yeah, I still quite like it.

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still love it.

one of those... and i still listen to the album decently often... but sure, Kid A might be "overrated".. but the only way i'd agree to that is if temporal/sequential context doesn't count in judging an album's greatness... even in a vacuum though, i think it's a great album start to finish..

for what it's worth, i think

OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac and In Rainbows are pretty much flawless... and yea, i prob. like Amnesiac more than Kid A.. maybe an unpopular view, but i never viewed it as Kid A's little brother, there's a complete and distinct album there (2 versions of Morning Bell goes a decent way in proving me wrong tho lol)... King of Limbs is getting up there for me.. i think i'll eventually consider it one of RH's GREAT albums.. The Bends is very very good to me, just not on the same level as the others, but probably because i heard OKC, Kid A and Amnesiac before hearing it and the band really evolved a lot in that time span.. HTTT is def. a very good album... I'd hold it in the same regard as the other top albums if they just cut a few tracks (Backdrifts, Suck Young Blood, The Gloaming).. and i still haven't actually listened to Pablo Honey cuz i didn't want to eff w/ the track record in my head lol

so yea, even the albums i have at the bottom of their catalog are still better than most bands' better albums, imo...

Deal with it or don't.

But there it is.

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You're the reason why Radiohead probably wants to kill some of their fan base.

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Kind Of Blue to me was always an album that novices to jazz could get into - and an album that jazz aficionados appreciated equally. it's the greatest selling jazz album and it's also one of the best critically received albums of all time.

where does kid a factor in this?

Because the comparison makes no sense.

If he said Bitches Brew or something I may have asked to explain but saying Kind of Blue is just nonsense.

. . .but didn't really have the time to get fully into it.

Before I say anything further, I am not saying either album is as good as the other or that they even sound like one another. I was merely trying to say that both had similar impacts on the culture.

Both were albums by big established names that went for something "new" in their sound, while they were essentially just summarizing the creators' influences in the preceding years (Miles' interest in modes and Radiohead's interest in electronic music). As far as the mainstream audience (the bulk of people who bought the albums) was concerned, these were very new sounds and directions for these musicians. So, in the eyes of the mainstream, these were rare albums that managed the hat trick of simultaneously being on the cutting edge of new sounds in the mainstream, being creatively challenging for listeners and being major commercial successes (easily expanding audiences in their wake).

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as YHF is to okcomputer

for me wilco and radiohead are too tough to call.

With that said: Melvins.


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They have 27 main albums listed on allmusic.com (some of which are live), and I've heard maybe three (?) in total.

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When it comes to the Melvins, that is a relevant question...

I actually like it more than most if not all of the Wilco albums on that list (and that's not even a slight at their catalog, they've done some stuff I love).

They make beautiful use of those Guthrie lyrics & having a mix of vocalists makes you really appreciate Tweedy's best signing moments on the record (California Stars, At My Window Sad & Loney, and the solo piano Another Man's Done Gone).

Outside of 'Hoodoo Voodoo' the rest is as flawless a 45 or so minutes of music as anybody on it's been a part of in their career to me.

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well, at least for me. i love those guys.

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there is no spoon.

Hard to say who'd I'd choose if I had too, but Spoon's catalogue is as strong as Wilco's, I think.

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They are good but not something I listen to.

Personally, I think Fugazi, Cows and the aforementioned Melvins have some really strong catalogs in the past 25 years.

He has played them in his car and on spotify, don't remember what records. I also checked out their debut back in the day...

but if they're not for you, they're not for you.

this is the first track from their newie live on letterman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLCkBp5bEVQ

nels cline is a beast.

THe Melvins, My Bloody Valentine, and Dinosaur Jr.

IKR, I listed like 4 of my top 10 bands .

Radiohead, My Bloody Valentine, Sonic Youth, and Dino Jr?? It's not even close to me.

Probably because I don't really feeeeeel Wilco, not enough atmosphere moodiness for me.

i was being a little facetious, i must admit.

wilco belongs in that company.

>THe Melvins, My Bloody Valentine, and Dinosaur Jr.

Possibly, no, not enough output, no, hell no, no, not NEARLY enough output, and no.

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that are mellower/poppier/less abrasive/less rocking? Especially any bands with country or Americana influences? I'm starting to think this is just a set of taste buds you don't have, perhaps. Do you spend much listening time with Gram Parsons, The Beatles, Tom Petty, Springsteen, The Byrds, The Flying Burrito Bros., Fleetwood Mac?

I generally tend toward harsher music myself, but growing up in America (and specifically in the Midwest), listening to some pop and rock radio as well as my parents' folk and soft rock records, I do have a taste for that style when it's done well. I think Tweedy writes really good songs influenced by most of the people I just named, and experiments just enough to push it well away from overly polished Eagles territory. But at the same time, some days I would much rather listen to Jesus Lizard, Fugazi, or Darkthrone and Suffocation.

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The Byrds is one of my GOAT bands and in terms of mellow stuff, I love Beach Boys as well. Buffalo Springfield, CSN&Y, Neil Young, Love, Zombies, Big Star, Jellyfish, Posies, Cardigans, Eggstone etc.-there's a shitload of soft stuff I dig

>Do you spend much listening time with
>Gram Parsons,

Yes

> The Beatles
I like Revolver

> Tom Petty, Springsteen,

Big NO on both even if Petty made some pretty dope power-pop in the 70's...

>Fleetwood Mac?

I prefer the Peter Green era (not so much the albums but the singles and B-sides)-the slick 70's stuff is not my thing...
>

>I generally tend toward harsher music myself, but growing up
>in America (and specifically in the Midwest), listening to
>some pop and rock radio as well as my parents' folk and soft
>rock records, I do have a taste for that style when it's done
>well. I think Tweedy writes really good songs influenced by
>most of the people I just named, and experiments just enough
>to push it well away from overly polished Eagles territory.
>But at the same time, some days I would much rather listen to
>Jesus Lizard, Fugazi, or Darkthrone and Suffocation.

Teh problem with "softer" rock (and a lot of harder trock too of course) in the past two decades is that it has gone in a "texture-music" direction; people get blown away by all the little details and creativity in the arrangements and "interesting" sounds and it feels like prog-rock again, just in a vertical sense rather than a horizontal one. The love for Radiohead, Flaming Lips and post-early records Wilco is an example of this.

Harder rock has done a better job at avoiding the pitfalls of this approach since it is SO closely tied to the guitar/bass/drums set-up and for all the weaknesses that approach has in terms of dynamics and texture, it IMO MORE than make up for that in terms of riffs, song-structures, cool patterns etc.; basically, stuff I consider far more substantial than Wilco putting some bleeps in a stadiumrock song or Radiohead discovering dubstep...

>basically, stuff I consider far more
>substantial than Wilco putting some bleeps in a stadiumrock
>song or Radiohead discovering dubstep...

cute, but offbase.

.

you're quite right, i was obviously offbase.

just that, based on opinions you've posted previously, i did think you were only about the Rawk.

<shrug>

given that i was wrong, and the list of bands you mention above,

i do find it surprising that you'd dismiss wilco so.

i get your point about textures - BUT wilco write and perform and get their songs very tight in a 'traditional' band sense before they start to fuck with them.

and tweedy's an exceptional songwriter.