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"I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period"


  

          

I'm unapologetic in my opinion that music today is more vibrant and fun than it was 10-15 years ago... but I have to say I'm very disappointed that this is not transferring over to the stage. Theatrics and spectacle alone does not make one sound or perform like a star... unfortunately an alarming number of those old enough to know better seem to have forgotten this. Making things even more worrisome is we have a new generation coming that has never known what real "sugar" tastes like. I'm serious when I say this worries me ... it's not just hyperbole.

It may be coincidental that the Sweet & Low star is gaining a stranglehold in a period directly after the passing of the greatest Pop Star of the last 40 years... but I think there's a connection. Of course the move towards counterfeit superstars goes back before MJ's passing... the minute MJ left the stage and became a full time TMZ item the opening was there. The music industry had already been taking short cuts for close to two decades but now they were in a pickle... failing to develop and nurture talent at the expense of short term profit meant the bench was thin and in some cases completely empty. The so-call "Neo-Soul" movement boasted of a return to musicianship and "real" songs but it didn't have any of the pizazz that could fill the void left by the greats of yesterday. Of the two that did one was a dude basically doing arena karaoke and the other was a woman with a lack of radio friendly hits. And Hip-Hop... We all know Hip Hop had the personalities but fell pitifully short as a genre that could produce quality live acts.

It was clear the slack would have to be taken up by those closest to MJ's pop tree... The Boy Band off-shoots, Usher, sister Janet and her clones. Thing is all these acts could mimic the moves & theatrics of MJ but to a varying degree all fell short of the substance that sustained Michael all those years.... talent and the drive to create.

Now here we sit about 10 years later with a new crop of "stars"... the difference is these performers have also been inspired by the failed replacements of the post MJ era. That "middle" generation did a respectable job at times but it was still a long way from what any of us over 40 became accustom to when we were young. My worry is the further we move away from the age of the stage, the more bloated and fake it's going to get. We have people today going into a frenzy anytime they see outrageous outfits, lifts, pyrotechnics, and a gang of people on stage... proclaiming it the "best shit ever" and throwing out GOAT status based solely on the spectacle. Old heads you can't be afraid to step up and call this bullshit for what it is. Sitting out there and co-signing shit you should know better of just to avoid grumpy old man jokes isn't helping anyone. Step up and share the knowledge you have... if you have a niece, nephew or younger brother or sister show them what performances used to be about. Get out those old video tapes or forward on some links... and if Prince comes to your town, go out there and get them a ticket so they can witness with their own eyes what a real live show looks and SOUNDS like. It might be too late to turn this back but that doesn't mean you are supposed to give up and just accept a substitute as the genuine article. It's up to us to teach the children that just because it's sweet doesn't mean it's sugar.


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i fux w/this.
May 06th 2011
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lol
May 06th 2011
4
Ha!
May 06th 2011
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I'm stealing "get off my lawn" though. n/m
May 09th 2011
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you know I agree with this post.
May 06th 2011
2
I agree with this
May 06th 2011
3
      but I think the ability to rock a stage
May 06th 2011
49
I said the same thing but the niggers here wasn't having it
May 06th 2011
5
agreed. grabbing the torch without adding fuel to the fire.
May 06th 2011
7
Yeah maybe I shouldn't have said cosigned
May 06th 2011
8
Let's make this a little more specific
May 06th 2011
9
Why don't you tell us why it doesn't deserve to be called such?
May 06th 2011
11
Too easy
May 06th 2011
16
let's do it.
May 06th 2011
18
LMAO
May 06th 2011
22
Dude I have a long boring day at work ahead of me
May 06th 2011
25
I don't like that style of argument.
May 06th 2011
24
      I usually don't either.... but in this case it works though
May 06th 2011
32
For me it's as easy as no instruments
Sep 16th 2011
106
in all honesty, i've never heard that before.
May 06th 2011
14
Do you mean you never heard this called a great performance?
May 06th 2011
29
i've never heard the song before. amazing, right?
May 06th 2011
35
      like... you had to have been in a cave in Tibet, right?
May 06th 2011
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           lol
May 06th 2011
39
           Like, I can't summon the songs to memory on my own
May 06th 2011
42
           hell, i "acquired" the album pretty early in the game.
May 06th 2011
41
                It's the only Kanye album I found nothing I liked
May 06th 2011
43
Tone is locking in on it right here
May 06th 2011
34
ALL OF THE LIGHTS!!!
May 06th 2011
19
that's the reason why Jay Z can sell out & tour in general.
May 06th 2011
20
are people really saying that? seriously?
May 06th 2011
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1. he's not surrounded by 3-4 dudes who shout every other lyric.
May 10th 2011
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*placeholder*
May 06th 2011
10
aight you're right and but i think your answer is wrong
May 08th 2011
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doesn't MJ himself deserve a good amount of blame for this?
May 06th 2011
12
when have you ever counted, Turkey?
May 06th 2011
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Well played!
May 06th 2011
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      I ain't gonna popular here....
May 06th 2011
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           i feel you on that.
May 10th 2011
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He does in the same way I "blame" Prince for the death of black bands
May 06th 2011
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      RE: He does in the same way I & blame & Prince for the death of black ba...
May 06th 2011
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           I'm taking exception to the word "blame" you used in that first post
May 06th 2011
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                lets not get too hung up on that word, its blame in the same way Nirvana
May 06th 2011
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                     Yeah in reading your second post I don't think we're at odds at all
May 06th 2011
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man....
May 06th 2011
13
okay, player?
May 06th 2011
17
rotfl......
May 06th 2011
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Let me make this clear.....this isn't a let's bitch about new music post
May 06th 2011
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      *notes obvious Warren Coolidge bait*
May 06th 2011
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      I thought the real WC bait
May 06th 2011
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      hence my statement
May 06th 2011
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           I don't think they do
May 06th 2011
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                for me
May 06th 2011
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                     I see what you're saying
May 06th 2011
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                          hopefuly this happens soon...i think it will
May 06th 2011
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                          RE: I see what you're saying
May 06th 2011
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Nah, its dat new SPLENDA
May 06th 2011
44
I'mma let y'all finish, but : DAM FUNK SUCKS TO INFINITYx
May 06th 2011
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
May 08th 2011
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that ain't exactly a bad thing
May 09th 2011
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I hope you feel better now that you got that out
May 09th 2011
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Feeling Great, My Nigga
May 09th 2011
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      If I'm breathing I'm happy
May 09th 2011
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lol
May 10th 2011
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^^^hasn't seen Dam live.
May 10th 2011
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Who puts on a good live show in your opinion?
May 07th 2011
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Foreign Exchange rocks shit.
May 09th 2011
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I will agree fully, after finally seeing them.
May 09th 2011
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From the 90s until now huh?
May 09th 2011
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      RE: From the 90s until now huh?
May 09th 2011
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came back in here to say
May 08th 2011
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You're So Critical On One Genre (R&B) But Not On The Others (Rock)
May 09th 2011
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I'm only going to speak on what I can intelligently speak on
May 09th 2011
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Live performances in Rock aren't great right now either
May 09th 2011
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See This I Know Which Is Why I Brought It Up
May 09th 2011
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      Well I didn't take it that way
May 09th 2011
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oh, you listen to rock?
May 10th 2011
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I watched a good part of the Gaga show on HBO this weekend
May 09th 2011
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RE: I watched a good part of the Gaga show on HBO this weekend
May 09th 2011
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Did you ever see her debut performance?
May 10th 2011
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What!
May 10th 2011
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      It's because she plays piano.
May 10th 2011
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      the Alicia Keys factor.
May 10th 2011
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      LMFAO
May 10th 2011
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      Good question...
May 10th 2011
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      that was dEs
May 10th 2011
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           damn... I can NOT believe I couldn't remember that.
May 10th 2011
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      I was impressed with her voice too
May 10th 2011
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      RE: It's because she plays piano.
May 10th 2011
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      I haven't seen any recent footage
May 10th 2011
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in her defense...
May 10th 2011
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      Yeah and there's nothing wrong with that
May 10th 2011
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           RE: Yeah and there's nothing wrong with that
May 10th 2011
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RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period
May 09th 2011
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^^^went from sugar to saccharin
May 10th 2011
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Just curious.... what do y'all think about Beyonce's live show?
May 10th 2011
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RE: Just curious.... what do y'all think about Beyonce's live show?
May 10th 2011
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RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period
Sep 16th 2011
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RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period
Sep 16th 2011
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      RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period
Sep 16th 2011
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           wild hunnid
Sep 16th 2011
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Not sure what block's point of upping this thread was
Sep 16th 2011
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great thread
Sep 16th 2011
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you get what you begat....lol.
Sep 16th 2011
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^ a great, concise summation.
Sep 16th 2011
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      smh.
Sep 16th 2011
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           I don't know what you're talking about. Sounds like you have beef.
Sep 16th 2011
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Sep 16th 2011
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^^Now this is an analysis that I can ride with^^
Sep 16th 2011
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WHY "live performances don't matter" to current artists
Sep 16th 2011
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Sep 16th 2011
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MISTA MONOTONE
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1. "i fux w/this."
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especially the part about clones following clones. it's like dubbing from cassette to cassette. yeah, you'll still get the gist of it, but the quality will deteriorate.

and with that "cassette tape" analogy (airquotes!), i have effectively shown my age.

get off my lawn.

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4. "lol"
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>especially the part about clones following clones. it's like
>dubbing from cassette to cassette. yeah, you'll still get the
>gist of it, but the quality will deteriorate.
>
>and with that "cassette tape" analogy (airquotes!), i have
>effectively shown my age.
>
>get off my lawn.

It's a good analogy though

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6. "Ha!"
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>and with that "cassette tape" analogy (airquotes!), i have
>effectively shown my age.
>
>get off my lawn.

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61. "I'm stealing "get off my lawn" though. n/m"
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2. "you know I agree with this post."
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I think of what other generations (the ones preceding me) thought of the guys I consider musical heroes

at least they couldn't front on someone like MJ too much
you could see his forebears in his moves, without really copying what they did

I'll give a lot of the latter-day generation credit though
when I look up some random song I have on MP3/CD anyway on Youtube, it's usually some 18, 19, 20something up there with the geezers on some "WTF?! Why don't they make music like this anymore"

I think that some get it. Rather... the thrill of what it meant to be a star in the music business. What it meant to "count" (to use a maxxx term).

I'd love to see what happens in the future with the FULLY Internet generation. This and the David Bammer post re: the lost music of the 2000s, has me thinking about that a lot more than usual.

  

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3. "I agree with this"
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>I'll give a lot of the latter-day generation credit though
>when I look up some random song I have on MP3/CD anyway on
>Youtube, it's usually some 18, 19, 20something up there with
>the geezers on some "WTF?! Why don't they make music like this
>anymore"

I've talked about that very thing on this board many times. But listening to an MP3 and seeing that same material performed on stage are two very different things. I do think this generation coming up has a pretty good ear... they just don't have the true superstars to show them how to really rock a stage.


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49. "but I think the ability to rock a stage"
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comes with constantly performing and honing your craft which all boils down to time and nurture..two of those things are lacking in today's musical world. The whole thing is microwaved ppl wanna be superstars immediately without enduring the trials it takes to truly craft someone worthy of global attention.

that's just my view tho.

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5. "I said the same thing but the niggers here wasn't having it"
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you're right in every sense of the sentiment

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7. "agreed. grabbing the torch without adding fuel to the fire."
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they seem more interested in icing the torch out in Swarovski crystals and shit.

this made me LOL:

>Sitting out there and co-signing shit you
>should know better of just to avoid grumpy old man jokes isn't
>helping anyone.

i ain't cosign shit because of that, but i have left threads without a reply to avoid being called grumpy and old.

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8. "Yeah maybe I shouldn't have said cosigned"
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But sometimes I think saying nothing is just as bad


And lovin' that "CoFro" avy man lol


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9. "Let's make this a little more specific"
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I need someone that disagrees with this post to break down why this is being called a great performance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKaRRbqS-SA


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11. "Why don't you tell us why it doesn't deserve to be called such?"
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16. "Too easy"
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There was a thread a few weeks ago about Kanye's Coachella performance where many were using words like "great" & "unbelievable". I really didn't want to be one of one those dudes that drops into a post just to piss on it... But I'd love to have some of those same people come in here and break down exactly what it is that makes this so exceptional.

Asking me to tell you why it's not would be as simple as going out and grabbing 2 or 3 youtube links.


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18. "let's do it."
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>Asking me to tell you why it's not would be as simple as going
>out and grabbing 2 or 3 youtube links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kld4z6ZgyHc

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22. "LMAO"
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kld4z6ZgyHc

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25. "Dude I have a long boring day at work ahead of me"
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You are going to kill this post before I get my full run out of it........

oh well fuck it lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkd8kUxDY0


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24. "I don't like that style of argument."
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>Asking me to tell you why it's not would be as simple as going
>out and grabbing 2 or 3 youtube links.

So basically you're gonna grab maybe a video of James Brown or P****e or New Edition and just post it up and imply because Kanye not JB, P or NE, that's why his performance is not good?

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32. "I usually don't either.... but in this case it works though"
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Because seeing a true stage star perform next to Kayne makes him look like Tom Cruise in Risky Business.

I would rather have someone that has a high opinion of what Kanye is doing here tell me what it is that makes it good without providing them with a check list to preemptively cop pleas too.

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106. "For me it's as easy as no instruments"
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I saw Kanye live on the Touch The Sky Tour. Not quite as much theatricality as Glow In The Dark or anything since really, but there were a couple sets (hospital bed for Roses, etc.) and some really cool things going on with the lights. BUT there was also a live drummer, live piano, a 4 piece string section in addition to A-Trak DJing to fill in any gaps. There were some awesome interpolations (strings playing the horn lines from Touch The Sky for instance). That added instrumentation is EVERYTHING to me and it's what differentiates that show from what I saw back in '06 (?)

Here's an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmtKFslDtAU

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-jr8ft7br8
(note: I was looking for the power performance, but this is close. I will also note that I think the MPC performance at the beginning was pretty damn cool, but it ain't enough (c) Unforgivable)

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14. "in all honesty, i've never heard that before."
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1) this nigga is rapping like Rick Ross now?

2) i'm not about to watch all that.

3) he's jumping around on stage, which is seen as energetic. which, by a lot of people's standards these days, is a good performance.

seeing as though i didn't watch the whole thing, i can't fairly say that his performance is "bad". however, fuck fairness. that shit does nothing for me.

*ironic Kanye shrug*

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29. "Do you mean you never heard this called a great performance?"
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Or that you've never heard the song, period?

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35. "i've never heard the song before. amazing, right?"
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36. "like... you had to have been in a cave in Tibet, right?"
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I mean, I didn't cop or DL the album and I avoided most of the discussion about it and somehow I still know the words to "All the Lights" and several other songs.

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39. "lol"
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>I mean, I didn't cop or DL the album and I avoided most of
>the discussion about it and somehow I still know the words to
>"All the Lights" and several other songs.

I did "cop" that album
and avoided most of the discussion about it...

listened to it once all the way through
went back to listening to Michael Jackson.

I can't remember what many of those songs sound like except for a skeleton.

  

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42. "Like, I can't summon the songs to memory on my own"
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>I can't remember what many of those songs sound like except
>for a skeleton.

but if I hear them playing, I find myself singing along to them. It's the weirdest thing.

Ye won.

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41. "hell, i "acquired" the album pretty early in the game."
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somehow, i haven't quite gotten around to listening to it.

*yet another ironic Ye shrug*

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43. "It's the only Kanye album I found nothing I liked"
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Sometimes things click later but this one just left me blah

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34. "Tone is locking in on it right here"
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"he's jumping around on stage, which is seen as energetic. which, by a lot of people's standards these days, is a good performance"


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19. "ALL OF THE LIGHTS!!!"
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I mean the difference between this and a krs performance is miles but it's hard to articulate why. i think one thing would be krs seems more effortless. even when he's sweating. like he's tiring the crowd out. kanye has the 'big hit' thing going for him which means just playing the track is enough for it to be a good performance. and it's not like krs didn't have big hit factors two, but you listen on hardcore and he did stuff on edutainment that hadn't been released yet and had folk hanging on his every word.... effortlessly.
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20. "that's the reason why Jay Z can sell out & tour in general."
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>kanye has the 'big hit' thing
>going for him which means just playing the track is enough for
>it to be a good performance.

i like/love a lot of his material, but i can't imagine PAYING going to see that negro stand in place and bob his head for a couple hours. he DEFINITELY ain't animated like say a Busta Rhymes. he nailed THAT shit. lol.

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52. "are people really saying that? seriously?"
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I'm asking honestly. i saw that coachella performance online and it made me less of a fan. he was genuinely actually awful for portions of that show. off tune...off time...i assumed everyone else recognized that.

i saw glow in the dark and really enjoyed that show. maybe you had to be there but i actually thought he really needed some guests to take the pressure off trying to carry a show. that stage (staging?) was way too big for his talent and i like his music.

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85. "1. he's not surrounded by 3-4 dudes who shout every other lyric."
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2. there's a lot of lights.

3. the song is about lots of lights.

4. or at least the chorus is.

5. so that makes it 'moving'.

6. especially if you were there.

7. and drunk.

8. and shrooming.

fuck you.

  

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loading up mumu right now, but i'll be back.
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56. "aight you're right and but i think your answer is wrong"
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>I'm unapologetic in my opinion that music today is more
>vibrant and fun than it was 10-15 years ago...

the 00's is a bad metric. but i know why you started with that qualifier.

>but I have to
>say I'm very disappointed that this is not transferring over
>to the stage.

Here I think you should say to live performance not just stage. Because what is brought to the stage I think is indicative of the type/quality of vibrance and fun being made today.

>Theatrics and spectacle alone does not make one
>sound or perform like a star...

Actually I disagree. It does. What it doesn't do is make you a star quality musical performer. When you get into your examples, the natural talent and ability is obviously there, but its the theatrics that made them stars. Mixing the theatrics with true musical ability is what makes a true music star.

> unfortunately an alarming
>number of those old enough to know better seem to have
>forgotten this.

They've been sold not to remember (that's not a typo). To quote Henry Rollins:

"It is true that there are a lot more good-looking people than those who are musically gifted. The music industry jumped onto this fact and started signing people whom the camera loved, and let already overworked studio engineers handle the unglamorous chores of pitch-correcting, sampling and bringing in pro hitters to prop up these gorgeous cash calves."

>Making things even more worrisome is we have a
>new generation coming that has never known what real "sugar"
>tastes like. I'm serious when I say this worries me ... it's
>not just hyperbole.

Now this is real, and unfortunately what happens when we allow an industry to be the champion of culture. When entertainment is more important than art. And yes I brought it there because that's what this is really about. You want art in your entertainment. But the industry unequivocally decided they could make more money foregoing the art all together and raise a generation of 'talent' and audience that only looks for the entertainment value. Then they wonder why the attention span is so short, shelf life is so short, and their business model is beginning to wear at the seems. I mean this goes back to the 90's when they beat us over the head with star power and how important it was to rush out and pay them for producing the stars. We're just at the tail end of that effect today.

>It may be coincidental that the Sweet & Low star is gaining a
>stranglehold in a period directly after the passing of the
>greatest Pop Star of the last 40 years...

It was happening before that.

>but I think there's
>a connection. Of course the move towards counterfeit
>superstars goes back before MJ's passing... the minute MJ left
>the stage and became a full time TMZ item the opening was
>there. The music industry had already been taking short cuts
>for close to two decades but now they were in a pickle...
>failing to develop and nurture talent at the expense of short
>term profit meant the bench was thin and in some cases
>completely empty.

I agree with this for the most part.

>The so-call "Neo-Soul" movement boasted of a
>return to musicianship and "real" songs but it didn't have any
>of the pizazz that could fill the void left by the greats of
>yesterday. Of the two that did one was a dude basically doing
>arena karaoke and the other was a woman with a lack of radio
>friendly hits. And Hip-Hop... We all know Hip Hop had the
>personalities but fell pitifully short as a genre that could
>produce quality live acts.

Cold blooded. But true more or less.

>It was clear the slack would have to be taken up by those
>closest to MJ's pop tree... The Boy Band off-shoots, Usher,
>sister Janet and her clones. Thing is all these acts could
>mimic the moves & theatrics of MJ but to a varying degree all
>fell short of the substance that sustained Michael all those
>years.... talent and the drive to create.

Yeah that's what I was referring to above.

>Now here we sit about 10 years later with a new crop of
>"stars"... the difference is these performers have also been
>inspired by the failed replacements of the post MJ era.

DING!!

>That
>"middle" generation did a respectable job at times but it was
>still a long way from what any of us over 40 became accustom
>to when we were young. My worry is the further we move away
>from the age of the stage, the more bloated and fake it's
>going to get. We have people today going into a frenzy anytime
>they see outrageous outfits, lifts, pyrotechnics, and a gang
>of people on stage... proclaiming it the "best shit ever" and
>throwing out GOAT status based solely on the spectacle. Old
>heads you can't be afraid to step up and call this bullshit
>for what it is. Sitting out there and co-signing shit you
>should know better of just to avoid grumpy old man jokes isn't
>helping anyone. Step up and share the knowledge you have...

Okay here's where we differ though. I think the stage is important but your expectations have to change. It's like On the real you give me a choice between seeing MJ in his prime or Trane late in his career and I'd go with Trane. These are of course apples and oranges musically, but I use it to illustrate a point. It's gotta go apples and oranges with it. Not just do what neo soul did and try to repackage. And I think in terms of the music there are things happening in that diretion. But it doesn't translate to the stage quite yet. Not as star power entertainment. But if it can refine itself and its performance better I think we'll see things ten years from now we could have never imagined.

The most important thing in making that happen IMO though is devaluing the industries role in it all. Let that shit fall. Let the talent marinate. What comes from that... you'll be surprised.
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12. "doesn't MJ himself deserve a good amount of blame for this?"
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while obviously I'm not disputing the incredible ability to rock a stage he displayed dating all the way back to childhood, I also can't think of any one individual who did more to further advance the concept of the 'Bigger=Better' spectacle, choreography over musical chops, premeditation over inspiration, and prerecorded vocals being acceptable as long as it looked good.

  

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15. "when have you ever counted, Turkey?"
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28. "Well played!"
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Speaking of which, what happened to that guy? He dropped off the face of the OKP earth again?

Here's my take, and I was thinking about it as soon as I opened this post, even before I read down this far. MJ is to modern empty pop stars as "Jaws" is to the modern empty action summer movie. That is to say, he was an example of how to do it right and create something hugely entertaining that still had substance and depth - but almost everybody coming after him learned all the wrong lessons. People trying to make a summer blockbuster these days want to have the big spectacle that was pioneered by "Jaws," but they don't pay attention to the deep and interesting characterization and character dynamics, or the rock-solid, tight-as-a-drum story, or the way Chief Brody was firmly center stage with the effects just propping him up, rather than the other way around. They use something great as a model for making something bad. Weird how that happens. And I guess, as with Spielberg and "Jaws," I won't blame MJ for the calorie-free pop stars of today, even as they copy his moves.

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53. "I ain't gonna popular here...."
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but I don't find MJ's live performances very 'substance' heavy. The themes were mostly universal cliches.

Although obviously much less musically talented....I find Madonna's big tour productions (like as seen in 'truth or dare') alot more interesting from a conceptual perspective.

That being said...big theatrical productions have never been my thing....but I think Madonna was better than MJ in developing an interesting and provocative narrative. If only that she made a statement that I find alot more interesting than MJ's Jesus Christ posing.

  

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94. "i feel you on that."
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fuck you.

  

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23. "He does in the same way I "blame" Prince for the death of black bands"
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When you are an exceptional talent you can get way with things your followers can't. They can exhibit just one element of their talent but it's enough to captivate the crowd.

Here's an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q29BzMev58k

In theory there's nothing special about a man standing alone in a spotlight performing ... that is unless the man is so unbelievably talented he can hold the crowd with just his body movements.

Or he can do this http://youtu.be/aXK5xOJaYHI

dress it all and bring in all the bells and whistles, pipe in vocals and music, fill the stage with dancers... but guess what... all eyes are still on the man and his talent because he's spent a lifetime building himself into an icon.

MJ just didn't come out and start hopping around to pre-recorded music and get to be called a star. So basically I'm telling you what you just posted is utter and complete bullshit.

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40. "RE: He does in the same way I & blame & Prince for the death of black ba..."
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>When you are an exceptional talent you can get way with
>things your followers can't. They can exhibit just one element
>of their talent but it's enough to captivate the crowd.
>
>Here's an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q29BzMev58k
>
>In theory there's nothing special about a man standing alone
>in a spotlight performing ... that is unless the man is so
>unbelievably talented he can hold the crowd with just his body
>movements.
>
>Or he can do this http://youtu.be/aXK5xOJaYHI
>
>dress it all and bring in all the bells and whistles, pipe in
>vocals and music, fill the stage with dancers... but guess
>what... all eyes are still on the man and his talent because
>he's spent a lifetime building himself into an icon.
>
>MJ just didn't come out and start hopping around to
>pre-recorded music and get to be called a star. So basically
>I'm telling you what you just posted is utter and complete
>bullshit.
>
I understand people can't duplicate what Michael did, however nothing you said there contradicts anything I said.

When the next generation comes around, they're going to try to replicate the things that they can actually copy and/or commission (read: the bells, whistles, explosions, dance troupes, lipsyncing with a tight dance routine) rather than the stuff they can't (like the emotionally resonant singing-while-mime-motioning of 'Human Nature' on the Bad Tour).

A lot of what has become the 'superstar' show (in the examples of his sister, to Bobby, down to Britney/Usher/Timberlake/etc) has trickled down from his template.

If you can step back from emotion (because as I said it's really not me in anyway disputing Michael's stage presence or prowess) it's pretty easy to see there's some truth to that statement.

You're lamenting the death of true 'live' performance while not acknowledging that the biggest star in the past 30 years of music (whose most iconic live performance was actually lipsynced) might have birthed some of that.

  

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46. "I'm taking exception to the word "blame" you used in that first post"
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Did he help birth it? Of course.... that was pretty much one of the main points I made in my original post. But these acts today take the theatrics but really don't understanding why MJ did what he did. The whole point of Michael making everything bigger and bigger was the show nothing could outshine his star power. Unless you have the talent to outshine or at least go along with the spectacle you are only playing the role of superstar not actually delivering on it.


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47. "lets not get too hung up on that word, its blame in the same way Nirvana"
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can be 'blamed' for Silverchair or even Nickelback to some degree a/k/a an unforseen consequence of the blueprint falling into less gifted hands.

  

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13. "man...."
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I agree with his post of course
There's a lot of factors contributing to this state of pop music
My gripe with it is that folks are getting props by default
Just because you're the only mofos with instruments dont make you ewf.

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17. "okay, player?"
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>
>Just because you're the only mofos with instruments dont make
>you ewf.
>

this sounds like a job for King Instigation! *rips off warmups*

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21. "rotfl......"
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indeed it is a job 4 king instigation....not me..lol
but...................

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26. "Let me make this clear.....this isn't a let's bitch about new music post"
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It's a "let's bitch about the state of live music" post... black and pop music to be more specifically.


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27. "*notes obvious Warren Coolidge bait*"
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*can practically see AFKAP preparing a counter attack*

*pops popcorn*

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30. "I thought the real WC bait "
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when OP alluded to D'Angelo doing "arena karaoke"

But of course Warren would respond to such an allegation only if *I* said it.

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31. "hence my statement"
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But it goes deeper than that
The artists aren't the problem as much as the consumer's the problem
Most of these artists know better
The consumer doesn't
Especially the black/pop consumer....they've been so tricked that they believe a good show is the ability to sing along to every song or to see shit that the performers supposed to do
like someone said above, i refuse to spend $100+ to see jay z because I KNOW BETTER
there's a reason why cats like the ojays can still tour after 40 years in the game
i dont see the bep's or kanye being able to do the same
or maybe i can because of the consumer

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33. "I don't think they do"
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"Most of these artists know better"

Especially someone like Kanye who's ego has him convinced he's really more than he is (I actually like quite a bit of his music btw)

I might be inclined to say the same for Gaga considering some of the statements I've seen attributed to her lately.

But the bottom line most of these "stars" don't know better. When everyone around you is telling you something is great it's not hard to get caught up into believing your own hype. What used to be the firewall in this was peer pressure... but when your best live acts have nothing more than mediocre stage presence it's hard to be challenged enough to block out the yes men and raise your game.


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37. "for me"
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Its not up to the entourage to make you step your shit up
They're there for a purpose
It wasn't LL's entourage that made him step his shit up after Walking failed
It was the public
The public's the one that support this garbage being fed as a SHOW
If there was a collective front that called them out
Best believe shit would be different
But I dont see that happen sans a few gripes and blogs which is like throwing rocks at a passing ship
There's praise for them doing the bare minimum

If the public stopped supporting crap and forced these mofos to step up their shit, they would
Kanye and Gaga are limited talents but they're pop artists
Gaga is smart and studied what worked in the past and is playing on it
'Ye wants to be an artist on a Radiohead level so bad but he can't.....he just doesnt have it

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38. "I see what you're saying"
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and there is some merit to putting some of this on the public. But what I'm trying to tell you is the public doesn't know better so how can they drive anything? The irony in all of this is with acts only making a fraction of what they used to from record sales a top flight live act carries more weight now than it ever has. Once a newer act really starts bringing it then we'll see the public pushing the rest of them to step up or get left behind.


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45. "hopefuly this happens soon...i think it will"
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>now than it ever has. Once a newer act really starts bringing
>it then we'll see the public pushing the rest of them to step
>up or get left behind.
>
>

esp. if people's money continues to grow short...

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50. "RE: I see what you're saying"
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Of course they don't know anything
We're eye 2 eye on that one
We are in a day and age where 1/2 stepping is the norm
Lighting and ballet dancers don't make a performance
These mofos wouldn't have won in a local high school talent show back in the day
Us so called old school folks know 1/2 stepping when we see it and will call it because we saw REAL SHOWS....BANDS....SINGERS....MUSICIANS...
What black band is relevant among the masses these days?
There's no history or legacy being passed on which is due to a gang of reasons
....we can wax all day about the division of black music among generations

>and there is some merit to putting some of this on the
>public. But what I'm trying to tell you is the public doesn't
>know better so how can they drive anything? The irony in all
>of this is with acts only making a fraction of what they used
>to from record sales a top flight live act carries more weight
>now than it ever has. Once a newer act really starts bringing
>it then we'll see the public pushing the rest of them to step
>up or get left behind.
>
>
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44. "Nah, its dat new SPLENDA"
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Sweet&Low was hair metal and nkotb and shit...I mean Cher endorsed that shit...
This new shit got everyone thinking its safe to eat and the digital technology is so good now that performances "are just like the sweet, sugary performances of the past" when in actuality it is just a new era of "it ain't broke, but my toolbox is so shiny I just gotta fix something"
Its like when my moms fed me margarine all my life and once I learned how to cook and used my first stick of butter I felt cheated. Most kids, all they know is the watered-down stuff...

I work with some up and coming Bay Area MCs and producers and it cracks me up how much they don't know about music and live performances of the past...but I'm also pleasantly surprised often about the shit that they do dig and retroactively get into...They teach me a lot about what's moving younger cats today and I teach them about the music they love but may not have known about because they weren't exposed to the same era...

I think we are about to reach a bottleneck in musical output...I think the trend is just so far one way that the backlash is coming soon...I don't know what will do it, but people will get sick of paying big money for bullshit live acts and begin to appreciate true artistry and live performance...the only thing that needs to happen is for some artists to emerge in the spotlight who are actually bad muthufuckas in the talent department...No more "You mean Alicia Keys ISN'T a virtuoso on the piano?!? Bullshit, her last name is "Keys" She was born to play keyboards!"

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51. "I'mma let y'all finish, but : DAM FUNK SUCKS TO INFINITYx"
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Pooty Tang ass clown is so lame I get cross-eyed just thinking about his level of wackness.

Nigga sound like he was locked in a room with nothing but Eddie Murphy singing albums & a keytar.

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57. "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
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I think this is funny mostly because Dam is setting himself up for the same traps that OP harps on neo about.
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59. "that ain't exactly a bad thing"
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>Nigga sound like he was locked in a room with nothing but
>Eddie Murphy singing albums & a keytar.

better than sounding like you were locked in a room with nothing but R.Kelly albums and a computer with Skype installed

I don't think Dam Funk should do much singing though. Because he makes Marcus Miller and Kashif sound like Stevie Wonder and Rick James.

  

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63. "I hope you feel better now that you got that out"
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Has almost nothing to do with this topic but if that helped you then cool

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66. "Feeling Great, My Nigga"
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How about you?

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67. "If I'm breathing I'm happy"
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75. "lol"
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sound like he was locked in a room with nothing but
>Eddie Murphy singing albums & a keytar.

  

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80. "^^^hasn't seen Dam live."
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54. "Who puts on a good live show in your opinion?"
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Out of the artists from say the early 90's to now who do you think actually puts on a good show? I have to go to an absurd amount of live performances on a weekly basis and I think the art of the live performance has really declined in all genres of music. People who I'm told are great live not only end up disappointing me but boring the shit out of me. I judge a live Jazz performance different than a Hip Hop, rock or R&B performance but overall I've found that a lot of live shows are seriously lacking from the bigger artists out there especially.

  

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62. "Foreign Exchange rocks shit."
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Phonte is a great frontman. he was fantastic with Little Brother too.

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65. "I will agree fully, after finally seeing them."
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y'all gonna have to wait a couple days for me to talk about it in depth, though...

  

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68. "From the 90s until now huh?"
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First person that comes to mind would be Maxwell. Pretty much no frills but dude gets it done.

I haven't seen Badu in person but from the clips I have seen I'd say she gets it.

I like a lot of what Ne-Yo does live but I wouldn't want to see him in a large venue... I just don't think he has the live chops for arenas.

I've seen Chromeo a couple times with my daughter and enjoyed the hell out of it... I wouldn't call them a great live act but it was a lot of fun and the songs sounded great live.

I think Timberlake is pretty good but as we've talked about on this board many times dude is missing something.

Oh and Rahsaan Patterson.. now that dude ain't no joke.

I'm sure there are others that will come to mind but right now those are a few of the ones I'd pay to see.

*edit*
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71. "RE: From the 90s until now huh?"
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>First person that comes to mind would be Maxwell. Pretty much
>no frills but dude gets it done.

>
>I haven't seen Badu in person but from the clips I have seen
>I'd say she gets it.

Agree on Maxwell and Badu. Anytime they come to town I make it a point to see them. Great stage presence, great songs and they know how to entertain without trying too hard.
>
>I like a lot of what Ne-Yo does live but I wouldn't want to
>see him in a large venue... I just don't think he has the live
>chops for arenas.

Ne-Yo is "fun" and I think he puts on a good show but he has paper thin vocals so it's hard for me to recommend him. I'm not a big Alicia Keys fan but she does put on an entertaining live show for me.
>
>I've seen Chromeo a couple times with my daughter and enjoyed
>the hell out of it... I wouldn't call them a great live act
>but it was a lot of fun and the songs sounded great live.
>
>I think Timberlake is pretty good but as we've talked about on
>this board many times dude is missing something.
>
>Oh and Rahsaan Patterson.. now that dude ain't no joke.
>
>I'm sure there are others that will come to mind but right now
>those are a few of the ones I'd pay to see.
>
>*edit*
>I guess Mint started in the 90s so add them in too

Mint Condition has always put on great live shows to me. Oh and I'd add R Kelly when he is really in his zone which for me he hasn't been for about 8 or 9 years but I do plan on checking him out on this tour because it seems like he's been putting the focus back on his live performances.

I have noticed a resurgence in live performances with some of the independent R&B/soul acts out there like Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings and Fitz & The Tantrums that put on really fun, energetic live shows.
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55. "came back in here to say"
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While watching Smokey Robinson tear it up last night
I thought about this post and I fully get what OP's trying to say
Not only did he have 2 hours+ full of hits, he delivered on every single song
dude even got a standing o for ripping ooh baby baby like it was 1963
and that was only the 4th song into his set...
I can't see any of today's artists in their golden years getting it in like that
He's taken care of his instrument, his voice, very well over the years.
I would highly suggest checking him out if he came to town whether you're a fan or not, but to see how its supposed to be done live.

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58. "You're So Critical On One Genre (R&B) But Not On The Others (Rock)"
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Smh


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60. "I'm only going to speak on what I can intelligently speak on"
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I don't know much about the rock scene or truthfully care all that much about it

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69. "Live performances in Rock aren't great right now either"
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It's not just R&B or Hip Hop. The veteran groups usually put on good shows (NIN, U2, etc) and a few newbies (Muse, My Chem) but there is way too much shoegazing and boredom going on at rock shows too.

  

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73. "See This I Know Which Is Why I Brought It Up"
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>It's not just R&B or Hip Hop.
>but there is way too much shoegazing
>and boredom going on at rock shows too.

I know this and was wondering why a genre that's been giving listeners a better sound than what other ones are doing is getting more flack.


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74. "Well I didn't take it that way"
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>>It's not just R&B or Hip Hop.
>>but there is way too much shoegazing
>>and boredom going on at rock shows too.
>
>I know this and was wondering why a genre that's been giving
>listeners a better sound than what other ones are doing is
>getting more flack.

OP is talking about the genres he knows/cares about which is R&B/Soul, Pop & Hip Hop show. I didn't get the impression that he was saying that R&B live shows suck but Rock shows are off the hook because you probably wouldn't catch him at a Foo Fighters concert so he's not gonna talk about shit he doesn't follow.
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78. "oh, you listen to rock?"
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64. "I watched a good part of the Gaga show on HBO this weekend"
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I have to say a lot of that shit really surprised me.... surprised me in that it was far more devoid of substance than I had even expected. That shit looked like one of those Transvestite Vegas tribute shows they hand tickets out to if you gamble enough money. Of course the Madonna biting is there front and center but what really shocked me is the way she attempts to mix in the "dancing" you'd see at a Britney Spears show. I couldn't help but laugh my ass off at all the arm and hand movements as well as her other "dancing" attempts. It looks like she's watched a good deal of 80s Prince was well with the detached and playful act... the crawling around on the floor part was P right down to the way she turned over and started talking to the crowd while smoke flowed over her. But I now understand why she's so over the top.... she's needs every bit of it to hide the fact the content is Back Street Boys quality. I will say her voice sounds pretty decent at times.... but I'm not sure how much of that is pre-recorded.

I mean I can totally see why some gay cats and teenage girls would dig this but that show was a perfect example of the shit I talked about in this post.


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70. "RE: I watched a good part of the Gaga show on HBO this weekend"
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I watched that too and I could barely make it through the show with all of the Madonna dick riding. I've seen her live before and I will say her show has improved from when I first saw her but it's still basically a Madonna/Cher karoake show.

  

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77. "Did you ever see her debut performance?"
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I brought it up in this post - http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=136254&mesg_id=136254&page=3

The youtube link there is dead. Here's another one though - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCNZ1lFgd9s

Not that you want to see another Gaga performance, but for context you probably should peep how much she's improved. LOL!!!
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81. "What!"
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>Not that you want to see another Gaga performance, but for
>context you probably should peep how much she's improved.
>LOL!!!

That was an improvement? I had seen clips here and there but honestly never paid her live shit much attention. But to hear the way she's been hyped as the real deal and then to see that was eye opening to say the least.

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83. "It's because she plays piano."
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>But to hear
>the way she's been hyped as the real deal and then to see that
>was eye opening to say the least.

I've been saying that a frightening proportion of modern music listeners are so divorced from the idea of musicianship that they are so easily impressed and prone to bestow the "genius" tag on any schmo who even moderately knows their way around an instrument.

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84. "the Alicia Keys factor."
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>I've been saying that a frightening proportion of modern music
>listeners are so divorced from the idea of musicianship that
>they are so easily impressed and prone to bestow the "genius"
>tag on any schmo who even moderately knows their way around an
>instrument.

in all fairness tho, Gaga seems to be a better pianist than Lee Lee.

lol...when's the last time we saw "Lee Lee" on OKP??

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86. "LMFAO"
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>in all fairness tho, Gaga seems to be a better pianist than
>Lee Lee.
>
>lol...when's the last time we saw "Lee Lee" on OKP??

  

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87. "Good question..."
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>lol...when's the last time we saw "Lee Lee" on OKP??

Who was that poster who used to stan hard for her back in the day?

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89. "that was dEs"
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>Who was that poster who used to stan hard for her back in the
>day?

who also introduced "Lee Lee" to the collective lexicon

thinking back though, I'm glad he did that
I wouldn't have known to look back and seek out her old "MONOTONE-bait" photos otherwise

  

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90. "damn... I can NOT believe I couldn't remember that."
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dEs has been on the low for way too long... bloocollar stole part of his shtick, InKast cancelled out another part, and then Leelee stuff just withered and died.*



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91. "I was impressed with her voice too"
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>in all fairness tho, Gaga seems to be a better pianist than
>Lee Lee.

not that I think her voice is all that good to start with but at least she can sound like her records

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96. "RE: It's because she plays piano."
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Any conversation I've had with any big GaGa fan ends with "well she plays the piano" as if she's Herbie Hancock or some shit.

  

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92. "I haven't seen any recent footage"
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But that shit was the most godawful performance I'd ever seen on prime time tv (until J. Lo one upped her a few seasons later... where the fuck is my SYTYCD anyway). Me and the mrs. watched it when it was first on and both were just embarassed for her. And yet six months later she was starting her move to the top. You can see from that though that all they could do was keep upping the theatrics because it wasn't the musical talent that was going to sell her.
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79. "in her defense..."
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she's needs
>every bit of it to hide the fact the content is Back Street
>Boys quality.


that's part of the appeal.
i will admit it... i like some of the backstreet boys' songs.
i like some n'sync songs too.
new kids on the block as well.

obviously, it's a copy of a copy,
and i know where to find the good stuff.

but let's not make it sound like
those boy bands and britney spears and other top 40 staples
don't have an appeal.

not really disagreeing with your assessment,
but i have a strongly defensive stance
when it comes to pop music in general.


  

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82. "Yeah and there's nothing wrong with that"
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>but let's not make it sound like
>those boy bands and britney spears and other top 40 staples
>don't have an appeal.

But nobody was touting those acts anything more than they were either.

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88. "RE: Yeah and there's nothing wrong with that"
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>But nobody was touting those acts anything more than they were
>either.
>


this is true. i see your point.

  

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72. "RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period"
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Isn't the point of the live show.. about the connection between the artist and the fans though??? I mean a level of showmanship is needed... but if jumping around or stage diving or synchronized dancing builds that connection then why does it matter?

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76. "^^^went from sugar to saccharin"
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lol

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93. "Just curious.... what do y'all think about Beyonce's live show?"
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95. "RE: Just curious.... what do y'all think about Beyonce's live show?"
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I've seen her a total of 3 times. Once with Destiny's Child and 2 solo shows. She works hard..I'll give her that and I guess the show is somewhat entertaining but her vocal "exercises" annoy the shit out of me. I would rather see her in concert than listen to her music on CD any day and she seems like she is having fun. She's one of the better live performers of the current big pop stars but that's not saying much IMO.

  

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97. "RE: I'm worried we've spiraled into a Sweet & Low period"
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101. "Not sure what block's point of upping this thread was"
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But I'm glad he did and reminded me of it because after seeing that R Kelly show last June he belongs right in here with Kanye and Gaga. Except I think he does have the talent and is either lazy or doesn't know how to put a show together.
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102. "great thread"
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who can argue otherwise? strongly put and stated

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103. "you get what you begat....lol."
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the standards and practices so to speak that were solidified during the time when a Michael Jackson was coming up formed his style. Folks remember the audition tape of a child Michael Jackson doing a James Brown cover in front of live musicians.

That era ...and the standards of that era formed Mike's style.

as things changed....as mainstream Black music became narrowed down to variations of hip hop..... The stars and stadards that resulted have given us your Ursher...Chris Brown and the like..

talented cats....but with some short comings as you mentioned.

it's unfortunate...

  

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104. "^ a great, concise summation."
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you enablers keep encouraging this cat.

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109. "I don't know what you're talking about. Sounds like you have beef."
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All I said was I agree with his general assessment.

  

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105. ""
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what does it matter now if live performances are garbage when the
yardstick to measure all music now is "do it bang in the club tho?"

artists aren't learning to make music live any more be it bands,singing at talent shows rapping over sound systems at street partys whatever

its all created in the studio to be sold as a mechanical reproduction after being marketed.


live performance is a distant afterthought to these artists

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110. "WHY "live performances don't matter" to current artists"
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isn't really the crux of the issue as much as the fact that they don't matter as been detrimental to the artists and the overall state of the music.

  

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111. ""
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Well before that it was "how does it sound on the radio" So I'm not sure anything has really changed in that regard.

>what does it matter now if live performances are garbage when
>the
>yardstick to measure all music now is "do it bang in the club
>tho?"

Eh we loved the stuff that bumped in the club back in the day too... it didn't have an impact on someone's live show.

>artists aren't learning to make music live any more be it
>bands,singing at talent shows rapping over sound systems at
>street partys whatever
>
>its all created in the studio to be sold as a mechanical
>reproduction after being marketed.
>
>
>live performance is a distant afterthought to these artists

that's the irony in all of this.... that's how most artist earn their money today. I'd say that being good live today is even more important than it was 20-25 years ago.


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