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Errol Walton Barrow
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"Poll question: The last classic R&B album was Mary's "My Life"."


  

          


Some R&b albums are classics in certain circles. In the black middle class I'd suppose Mama's Gun and Voodoo and Urban Hang Suite were classics, but nowhere else is that true. In many hoods One could wager that Usher's Confessions was the last classic, or perhaps one of those Beyonce albums, but as time goes on, it appears the last truly universally regarded (universally among Blacks) is october 1994s My Life. The one before that seems to be Sade 92 Love Deluxe.

Does this jibe with y'all or is there a classic released since then?

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True. (1 votes)Vote
Falsehood. (23 votes)Vote

  

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Words & Sounds Vol. 1
Apr 21st 2011
1
SOOOO underrated n/m
Apr 21st 2011
4
RE: By who?
Apr 21st 2011
41
      I just believe a have a higher opinion of it than most.
Apr 22nd 2011
55
would you need another example after this one though?
Apr 22nd 2011
63
it's at least Confessions.
Apr 21st 2011
2
pffft, you coulda at least said Emancipation, Ursher has no classics
Apr 21st 2011
3
      like it or not, Confessions is a classic among the Blacks.
Apr 21st 2011
5
           The Confessions argument is a strong one
Apr 21st 2011
8
           u got it bad/ u don't have to call were on 8701, not confessions.
Apr 21st 2011
9
           Confessions is so classic that the best songs aren't actually on it
Apr 21st 2011
12
                lol.
Apr 21st 2011
14
           nonetheless, it's a classic.
Apr 21st 2011
10
                I'm gonna need more hard data from The Blacks on this one
Apr 21st 2011
16
                     oh, you must not be very close to the Blacks then.
Apr 21st 2011
17
                          I have a great relationship with the blacks, always have
Apr 21st 2011
18
                               you won't get much of the Black vote by dissing Confessions.
Apr 21st 2011
19
                                    Usher ain't Obama, I got my girl from Inglewood right here next to me
Apr 21st 2011
26
                                         meanwhile all of my cousins (all. of. them.) in STL, ATL, and Phila
Apr 21st 2011
30
                                              don't blame all The Blacks for your fam's bad taste in music
Apr 21st 2011
33
                                                   by 2025 it'll be legendary.
Apr 21st 2011
34
                                                        I'll meet you here then to revisit the issue n/m
Apr 21st 2011
35
                                                        this whole conversation was great.
Apr 22nd 2011
69
                                                        I have to co-sign the classic status of Confessions
Apr 21st 2011
43
                                                        lol
Apr 22nd 2011
68
           LOL @ the Blacks.
Apr 21st 2011
42
it's confessions i think.
Apr 21st 2011
6
LOL
Apr 21st 2011
7
so Badu never happened?
Apr 21st 2011
11
Black Middle Class?
Apr 21st 2011
13
seize it.
Apr 21st 2011
15
bin's definitive list of classic R&B records released since 1994
Apr 21st 2011
20
^ not using the agreed upon definition of 'classic'.
Apr 21st 2011
21
classic = ppl have a a actual copy of said record in their stacks
Apr 21st 2011
23
      yeah, but classic song does not equal classic album.
Apr 21st 2011
24
      youre just wrong. sorry. nm
Apr 21st 2011
25
           i know more about music than you. sorry.
Apr 21st 2011
28
                ^^^This needs to be a default Lesson reply
Apr 21st 2011
29
                     i usually don't take it there,
Apr 21st 2011
32
                          joe corn mo i hereby challenge you.
Apr 21st 2011
37
                               I accept.
Apr 21st 2011
39
                               This should be interesting
Apr 21st 2011
40
                               RE: This should be interesting
Apr 22nd 2011
50
                               I'll post my mix on Tuesday evening.
Apr 22nd 2011
49
                                    agreed. say...Tuesday by 5 pm both mixes posted/linked?
Apr 22nd 2011
52
                                         sounds good. lol
Apr 22nd 2011
54
                                         a slight problem...
Apr 26th 2011
74
                                         shit's rigged, don't even waste your time.
Apr 22nd 2011
71
                                              prepare for war. nm
Apr 23rd 2011
73
      yes, and most of the records on your list don't make the cut.
Apr 21st 2011
31
           u crazy as shit but im ok w/ simply proving the OG post wrong
Apr 21st 2011
36
RE: bin's definitive list of classic R&B records released since 1994
Apr 21st 2011
22
Sorry dude, you're dead wrong here.......
Apr 22nd 2011
51
RE: bin's definitive list of classic R&B records released since 1994
Apr 21st 2011
38
Um.
Apr 21st 2011
45
      Uh...Love Jones is not a classic to all blacks AND...
Apr 22nd 2011
57
           RE: Uh...Love Jones is not a classic to all blacks AND...
Apr 22nd 2011
62
Bitter...IS....
Apr 21st 2011
46
RE: Bitter...IS....
Apr 22nd 2011
61
RE: bin's definitive list of classic R&B records released since 1994
Apr 22nd 2011
64
about half of this list is suspect
Apr 23rd 2011
72
RE: The last classic R&B album was Mary's "My Life".
Apr 21st 2011
27
this post is fucking atrocious
Apr 21st 2011
44
the "classic" part is throwing me off.....a bit too much sampling to
Apr 21st 2011
47
are you saying that albums comprised mostly of samples can't be classic?
Apr 22nd 2011
59
      i'm defining classic as being from a certain time period....
Apr 22nd 2011
65
           pretty sure he meant classic in the OKP sense(i.e. great/timeless album)
Apr 22nd 2011
66
Evolutions of Robin Thicke
Apr 21st 2011
48
This too funny!
Apr 22nd 2011
53
Confessions and Miseducation are the only consensus candidates.
Apr 22nd 2011
56
Are you kidding about B'Day?
Apr 22nd 2011
58
      "Thriller" was a collection of singles. What's your point?
Apr 22nd 2011
60
Ehhh I dunno... I liked My Life as much as the next guy.
Apr 22nd 2011
67
R.Kelly - The Chocolate Factory
Apr 22nd 2011
70

WarriorPoet415
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1. "Words & Sounds Vol. 1"
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-unknown

"To Each His Reach"
-George Clinton

  

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4. "SOOOO underrated n/m"
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41. "RE: By who?"
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Don't get me wrong, I love that album.

I just think throwing 'underrated' at it is completely. . . well, wrong.

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55. "I just believe a have a higher opinion of it than most."
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Not that most people think its wack.
But rather its one of my favorite soul records...probably my favorite record by a female artist period.
I never really hear it get mentioned among the "classics".

  

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63. "would you need another example after this one though?"
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SoWhat
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2. "it's at least Confessions."
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fuck you.

  

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3. "pffft, you coulda at least said Emancipation, Ursher has no classics"
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in any real sense.

Yes I'm aware of how much that album sold along with the backstory the record was sold on.

It still piggybacked Lil Jon's watershed moment to get to where it got & nobody is going to really care about a formulaic trend-hopping clown like Usher as they will Mary in ten years.

  

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5. "like it or not, Confessions is a classic among the Blacks."
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in a way that Emancipation is not.

'classic' = widely accepted by the given audience as a good/great album, w/ or w/o massive sales figures.

Confessions fits, regardless of our opinion of its quality. it's the last album i can remember that got over big time w/a relatively broad Black audience. Emancipation was also well received, but not as well received as Confessions. i dunno that i'd consider it a classic among the Blacks.

fuck you.

  

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8. "The Confessions argument is a strong one"
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Although Yeah wasa bit derivative and divisive as a single, I think You Got it Bad is a universally loved single, as well as you don't have to call.

The back story involving Chilli, who once again was liked by both the hood and middle class blacks, make it grounds for being a universal R&B classic.

It reminds me of Jay Zs Reasonable Doubt tho: a really good album that was never mindblowing, but got bumped to classic because of a poverty of classics at the time.

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9. "u got it bad/ u don't have to call were on 8701, not confessions."
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just fyi... not trying to be snarky.

  

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12. "Confessions is so classic that the best songs aren't actually on it"
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YEAH!(c)Lil Jon/Ush

  

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14. "lol."
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10. "nonetheless, it's a classic."
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we can devise ways to hate on it or otherwise diminish its stature among other classics, but it's still a classic. lol

fuck you.

  

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16. "I'm gonna need more hard data from The Blacks on this one"
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17. "oh, you must not be very close to the Blacks then."
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b/c if you were you'd already know.

i dunno what to tell you.

fuck you.

  

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18. "I have a great relationship with the blacks, always have"
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19. "you won't get much of the Black vote by dissing Confessions."
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b/c the Blacks love that record.

fuck you.

  

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26. "Usher ain't Obama, I got my girl from Inglewood right here next to me"
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giving me the thumbs-down on its classic status.

I ain't worryin' about scoring points, I've almost caught beatdowns from members of The Blacks over not having Tupac in my Top 5 MCs, still alive like Pac is tho!

  

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30. "meanwhile all of my cousins (all. of. them.) in STL, ATL, and Phila"
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own at least 1 copy of the album. and wouldn't stop playing it back in 2004/2005.

as do at least 2 of my older aunties.

and my best friends in Chicago, NYC, SF and STL too (some of my best friends are Black).

and it was a hot topic in the barbershop back when it came out.

so, yeah. it's a classic.

fuck you.

  

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33. "don't blame all The Blacks for your fam's bad taste in music"
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nah but seriously, I don't see that album as being one subsequent generations are gonna go back to or hold up as a classic or even one folks who grew up on will be playing like that.

The singles save the annoying Lil Jon anthem seem to have already been mostly forgotten, I'm waiting for the same fate to finally kill 'OMG' but I still here that bullshit everywhere.

  

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34. "by 2025 it'll be legendary."
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20 yr cycle. no doubt about it.

15 yrs ago we were over My Life. look at its status now.

fuck you.

  

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35. "I'll meet you here then to revisit the issue n/m"
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69. "this whole conversation was great."
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and I guess I see where this thread was going, but if we could talk BOTH blacks AND WHITES, Confessions wins. If the youth decide the pop battles then 8701 came out my 7th grade year and Confessions came out just as everyone was figuring themselves out, finding their lanes and doing what people do. And Confessions ruled that part of my adolescence. Whether it was a walk to the Blockbuster or late night phone calls/hangouts with girls, it was Usher on the theme music.


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43. "I have to co-sign the classic status of Confessions"
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I feel like a target doing it because I feel like black women were the audience, but...it was my jam in a way that My Life wasn't.

My Life was some beautiful shit & we all felt Mary when she was going through her shit with K-Ci and whatnot. But I can't pop that in the ride and play it just on GP like I can with Confessions. I can still hear a song from Confessions and it takes me right back to the last time I heard it. The Supermodel song, Can You Handle It - I rarely fast forward through anything on that album. Which was not the case for Here I Stand or Raymond V. Raymond or any of the other shitty Usher albums I bought or copied on a mixtape.

It was really Usher at the height of his music-making abilities, I think. Mary still had some growing to do and she didn't do it until later. I mean My Life was a beautiful moment, but it's played now. I might even say it's more played than Share My World. At least when I listen to that I don't want to find the Henny and start drinking.

  

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68. "lol"
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42. "LOL @ the Blacks."
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6. "it's confessions i think."
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commercially viable,
critical acclaim,
crossed over... but it's still well regarded across a large section of black people.

confessions, definitely.

  

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7. "LOL"
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11. "so Badu never happened?"
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13. "Black Middle Class?"
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I guess I didn't get the memo that mentioned that only the "Black Middle Class" are fans of Maxwell, D'angelo & Badu and the "real" ghetto Black folks bump that real Black shit like Usher, Beyonce and Mary J.

  

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15. "seize it."
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20. "bin's definitive list of classic R&B records released since 1994"
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mamas gun
brown sugar
love jones soundtrack
miseducation of lauryn hill
bitter
house of music
embrya
who is jill scott?
voodoo
instant vintage

you know what forget it...theres too many

  

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21. "^ not using the agreed upon definition of 'classic'."
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fuck you.

  

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23. "classic = ppl have a a actual copy of said record in their stacks"
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classic = you can put it on @ the fam reunion & everybody from big mama to your drunk ass uncle on the grill to lil yung junebug w/ the doo doo pamper is gonna be nodding & grooving to it

  

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24. "yeah, but classic song does not equal classic album."
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people jam to the singles off the love jones soundtrack.

put on an album cut, people would be lost.

everybody knows every song off of confessions...
even the ones that aren't singles.

that's why confessions makes the cut,
but the love jones soundtrack doesn't.

people only know the lauryn hill song,
the dione farris song,
and probably the coletrane instrumental.


nobody remembers the cover of "inside my love"
except for music heads.

  

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25. "youre just wrong. sorry. nm"
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do or die

  

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28. "i know more about music than you. sorry."
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29. "^^^This needs to be a default Lesson reply"
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32. "i usually don't take it there, "
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but if somebody doesn't want to type a well reasoned reply,
i'm not going to type one out myself.

snark goes both ways.

  

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37. "joe corn mo i hereby challenge you."
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simply put. i have THE. best music taste on the planet. you are not my peer.

I propose a simple test of our...shall we say...styles?

you put together a mix. whatever you want. 10 songs. any era. any kind of music.

i do the same.

we present them to the public, allow them 24 hrs to digest.

then ask them simply...which is better

or should i say WHO is better.

Do you accept?

  

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39. "I accept. "
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Game on.

Not going to be a mix tape with fades and stuff...
I'm not a DJ.

But I'll put together a compilation with links or whatever.

We'll let the lesson decide.

  

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40. "This should be interesting"
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Not sure if it will prove who was "right" regarding this particular post since it's open to any genre of music but I'm intrigued to see what the 2 of you put together. Hopefully you both pick mixes that you love and just not shit that you think will help you win on this board.

  

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50. "RE: This should be interesting"
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Fri Apr-22-11 08:45 AM by Joe Corn Mo

  

          

>Hopefully you
>both pick mixes that you love and just not shit that you think
>will help you win on this board.



i can't speak for binlahbab, but i know for sure
that MY mix is going to have a good balance.


if i don't love it,
it's not making the cut.
but i'm not going to post up a bunch of obsucre songs by obsucre artists that i know that nobody would like.



my goals are simple.
(1) i want to beat binlahbab in this competition.
(2) i want to use this as an opportunity to put people up on songs by relatively popluar artists that they may have missed because the only thing people play are the hits and the popular critical favorites.


in other words, i'm not going to post up 10 classic songs that
everybody has heard a million times.

"billie jean" and "human nature"
are two of the best songs michael jackson ever did...
but that's not going on this mix because we've all heard them,
and we all love them.



it would be waaaaaaay too easy
to make a 10 track compilation that just compiles all the
"safe" choices that make critics lists all the time.

so i'm not going to post up songs like

MJ, billie jean
or the rolling stones, satisfaction
or al green, let's stay together
or ac/dc, back in black
or prince, when doves cry
or hendrix, purple haze
or the beastie boys, fight for your right to party.


sure, those are fantastic songs,
but nobody would learn anything.


i want anybody that downloads the mix
to find a few gems that they might not have heard otherwise.

so yeah, i'm going to keep the lesson's taste in mind...
but i'm not going to just post up a bunch of "safe" choices.
where's the fun in that?






  

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49. "I'll post my mix on Tuesday evening."
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52. "agreed. say...Tuesday by 5 pm both mixes posted/linked?"
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i look forward to your capitulation reply in my victory post on wednesday.

  

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54. "sounds good. lol"
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74. "a slight problem..."
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damn. the starbucks at work is capping my bandwidth limit i think.
i won't be able to upload a proper mix until i get my internet
turned on in my apartment next week.

in the meantime, here are the youtube links for my
mixtape submission.



dock me a notch for it not being in proper format if you want.
but this mix is pretty nice, if i do say so myself.


marvin gaye-- please stay (once you go away)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_GVSFPg-dA


i'll stay-- funkadelic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r3EGpIToOA

little girl blue-- diana ross
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn2BNleBIPI


when the whip comes down-- rolling stones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ_smuQOiXg&playnext=1&list=PL91CEE59A54569B8B

tick, tick, boom-- the hives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edykzECKzow

let there be rock-- ac/dc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbImaMM3qT4

morphine-- michael jackson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m--XV-CfRA

jackson 5-- the wall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_gkD6tvnyU

the isley bros.-- the highways of my life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOaeL11IzRc

california dreaming-- eddie hazel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqDGTT2OtsQ

  

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71. "shit's rigged, don't even waste your time."
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me: oh, that's Binlahab's joint? *delete*

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73. "prepare for war. nm"
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do or die

  

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31. "yes, and most of the records on your list don't make the cut."
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but who cares about that? the point here is My Life is NOT our most recent R&B classic album. you proved that by naming just one classic album that's been released since then - Miseducation of Lauryn Hill.

fuck you.

  

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36. "u crazy as shit but im ok w/ simply proving the OG post wrong"
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lol @ joe corn mo daring to test the god when it comes to music tho


do or die

  

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22. "RE: bin's definitive list of classic R&B records released since 1994"
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>mamas gun
sure.


>brown sugar
known for singles, not as an album.

>love jones soundtrack
known for singles, not as an album.

>miseducation of lauryn hill
sure

>bitter
no.


>house of music
no.


>embrya
among music heads that dig "neo-soul"... not among
a large section of black folks.



>who is jill scott?
among music heads that dig "neo-soul" artists,
but not among a huge section of black people.
close, but no cigar.

>voodoo
sure.


>instant vintage
only among music heads... not a large section of black people.


>
>you know what forget it...theres too many
>
>

  

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51. "Sorry dude, you're dead wrong here......."
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>>who is jill scott?
>among music heads that dig "neo-soul" artists,
>but not among a huge section of black people.
>close, but no cigar.

Bullshit.

Joint reached way beyond neo-soul lovers. Joint was being bumped in the hood, and errywhere else black people were when it dropped.

Hoodrats, boughetto chicks, hardlegs, gangstas, reg. cats were all bumpin' this joint.




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38. "RE: bin's definitive list of classic R&B records released since 1994"
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Agree with these:

mamas gun
brown sugar
miseducation of lauryn hill
house of music
who is jill scott?
voodoo

Not these:

love jones soundtrack- classic to whom?
bitter -not a proper soul album
embrya - not his best album
instant vintage - ditto with the LJ soundtrack and Embrya plus I personally found this album to be bland and unmemorable but that was just me.

  

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45. "Um."
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The Love Jones soundtrack is a classic to every black person on the planet whether they wanna admit that shit in mixed company or not.

What is your definition of a "proper soul album"? Me'Shell IS proper soul, as she breathes and lives. I mean, I don't think Bitter is a Classic, and if I had to pick, I'd go with Cookie, but I'm just curious about your definition of proper soul.


  

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57. "Uh...Love Jones is not a classic to all blacks AND..."
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...Bitter is NOT an R&B album. It's an acoustic pop/rock one. She even said that the goal of that album was to get her out of the R&B/Soul box. I would vote either of her first two albums as two of the best soul albums of the last decades.

Also, the LJ soundtrack is mainly beloved by middle class blacks who are now in their mid 30s to mid 40s. That does not equate "black folks as a whole".

  

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62. "RE: Uh...Love Jones is not a classic to all blacks AND..."
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>...Bitter is NOT an R&B album.

I never said it was R&B. R&B and soul are different.

>It's an acoustic pop/rock one.

Right, we don't agree here.

>She even said that the goal of that album was to get her out
>of the R&B/Soul box. I would vote either of her first two
>albums as two of the best soul albums of the last decades.

Not sure that artists always reach their goals, though. She may have said that, doesn't mean that listeners/audience don't classify it as soul.


>Also, the LJ soundtrack is mainly beloved by middle class
>blacks who are now in their mid 30s to mid 40s. That does not
>equate "black folks as a whole".

I doubt you have any empirical evidence of this and I was being snarky, so we can let this ride. But...LOL at "beloved by middle class blacks."

  

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46. "Bitter...IS...."
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..the most underrated R&B/Soul record EVER recorded...

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61. "RE: Bitter...IS...."
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Hm. I'm not sure about that. And I love Me'Shell.
It was a beautiful album though.

  

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64. "RE: bin's definitive list of classic R&B records released since 1994"
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>love jones soundtrack

the "Rush Over" joint by MeShell is classic!

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72. "about half of this list is suspect"
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27. "RE: The last classic R&B album was Mary's "My Life"."
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I say "Mama's Gun"....but I get the point...R&B is and has been shitty for YEARS...oh, and an honorable metion goes to Amy Winehouse with "Back to Black"...banger of an LP...will wait on the hate to arrive...

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44. "this post is fucking atrocious"
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47. "the "classic" part is throwing me off.....a bit too much sampling to "
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be considered "classic" to me..

the songs being sampled where classics...

  

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59. "are you saying that albums comprised mostly of samples can't be classic?"
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65. "i'm defining classic as being from a certain time period...."
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I mean I could say My Life was one of the last great R&B albums (I dont believe that, but that's how I would have stated the post if I did)

but to call it a classic conjures an era, that this album is not from....

it sampled from that era..but it's a post-classical R&B album.

  

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66. "pretty sure he meant classic in the OKP sense(i.e. great/timeless album)"
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I mean if you want to start getting into classic evoking a different or certain era, that could mean many things to many different people depending on age/genre-preferences/etc.

  

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48. "Evolutions of Robin Thicke"
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53. "This too funny!"
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Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing

i love music!-THE MIGHTY O'JAYS

BLACK WOMEN RULE!

Bumpin in the STEREO:

Jennifer Hudson-I Remember Me
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56. "Confessions and Miseducation are the only consensus candidates."
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Neo-soul was too limited of a niche (in terms of audience) to produce any universal classics.

B'Day is a possible retrospective classic, kinda like Reasonable Doubt in rap. The smartest move she ever made was to re-release the album in conjunction with the multiple videos. That definitely elevated singles like "Get Me Bodied" to classic status, and brought more fans into the fold.

I don't know if it's considered true R&B, but Timberlake's FS/LS is up there too. The core urban R&B audience may not have embraced it as a whole, but it's impact on the larger mainstream audience can't be denied.

I feel like there should be at least one mention from the BadBoy R&B stable, as well as an early Timbaland-helmed project. But I can't think of any off top.

  

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58. "Are you kidding about B'Day?"
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"B'Day" wasn't even a real album. It was a collection of singles with some filler, similar to the LPs of the '60s. She's a singles artist and a pop celebrity, not an artist who makes GREAT albums.

Confessions is a fan favorite but I wouldn't call it a classic. Beyond the singles, the rest of the album, while well-produced, didn't blow anyone away. Although, I'm sure some will contradict this.

Miseducation is definitely a contender but was it a proper R&B album or a soulful album by a world-renowned hip hop artist?

  

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60. ""Thriller" was a collection of singles. What's your point?"
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Hmm.

  

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67. "Ehhh I dunno... I liked My Life as much as the next guy."
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But that shit was karaoke. Damn near every song used to be a hit before she looped it and sang over it.

I can accept that from hip hop from I give it the fish eye in R&B. Sorry.







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70. "R.Kelly - The Chocolate Factory"
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n/m

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