https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/jimmy-fallon-tonight-show-toxic-work-environment-crying-rooms-nbc-1234819421/

_____________
if racism is a cancer, black thought is the answer.

Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

DROkayplayer™

Is that nobody, NBC included, said anything in support of Jimmy.

That is...damning.

------------------------------

17x NBA Champions

Complained about him a few years ago. Said he was very toxic..

--
Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
-Ben (Reaper)

If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

It's a pretty widely accepted fact, just like Ellen and James Corden.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

with power.

once drunk they do all the shit they wouldn’t do while sober and then get to claim they don’t remember any of it.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

---
Love,
Nopayne

Weird timing.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

Works most times.

------------------------------

17x NBA Champions

Never knew this…perfect!

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

------------------------------

17x NBA Champions

To be honest, nothing in the article I read shocked me (JF shows up to work hungover sometimes? Shocking) and most of the stuff in it sound very typical of the complaints heard from younger employees in a lot of high pressure jobs.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It presented what lawyers call "very weak sauce."

I hope someone digs into it more and comes up with specifics that would illustrate the headline more fully.

------------


Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

And not to make light of it, it is 100% the number one issue facing young people today. It's a crisis. And it shows up in a lot of ways and one way it shows up a lot of young people aren't equipped to be in critical work environments.

Screamers are gone in most of the more button up places but you won't be rid of people who are demanding, highly critical and not even being thoughtful about the best way to be critical. In other words, there will always be jerks in the workplace.

I don't know the whole story hear but without more detail it sounds a lot like a lot of work environments in the city.

This line stuck out to me:

"“The producers felt this pressure, and that translated down to all of their employees. People that worked under them then felt this pressure that if you made one mistake, you were gone and would be easily replaced,” one former employee says. “You have all these NBC pages in the building who are ready, willing, and waiting to take your job.”"

Folks felt easily replaceable because they were easily replaceable. It's just a fact working in that type of environment. It's a hard fact for most people to deal with and maybe everyone isn't cut out to work in that type of environment.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Sounds like a few of the showrunners were the main problem ? At least the way I interpreted it all.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

Yes, there is a ton of smoke around JF's drinking and the problems that can cause in a workplace.

But the bigger picture here seems to be how unstable the show is because of all the turnover in showrunners. Maybe that's because of Jimmy, maybe that's because of NBC, whatever. But clearly there is a real issue. Showrunner of The Tonight Show is a VERY coveted gig - and most late night shows have showrunners that last many years.

------------------------------

17x NBA Champions

That legitimately DOESN'T HAPPEN unless there are fucking intolerable issues behind the scenes.

Like, everyone's saying "boy, this article is short on substance!" and I'm like "there were fucking nine show runners in nine years? on the Tonight Show? how in the name of Christ is that even possible!" lol

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

People would find that very, very strange.

I'm not saying a late night showrunner is as coveted as late night host, but the jobs are as close to rare as host.

As you said - it doesn't happen. That's the real meat of the story, and that's something people who don't follow this sort of thing truly don't understand.

------------------------------

17x NBA Champions

maybe there's more to the story but what's in the article doesn't seem that bad.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

A high pressure job with constant turnover at the top is typical ?

---------------------------
Signature

Or at least it is in my don't know nothing about Hollywood eyes.

__________________________________________

I hope you live a life you’re proud of. If you find that you’re not, I hope you have the strength to start all over again.

— F. Scott Fitzgerald

Maybe an industry person will come through and post.

---------------------------
Signature

The article makes a casual link between the toxic work environment and the turnover but it's not really clear that the toxic environment is the cause of the turnover.

Do we know if the showrunners quit or were fired?

If they quit it would support the idea that it's the toxicity's fault if, they were fired the ratings might explain more.

And of course it's not that binary. Again, I think this paragraph explains a lot:

“The producers felt this pressure, and that translated down to all of their employees. People that worked under them then felt this pressure that if you made one mistake, you were gone and would be easily replaced,” one former employee says. “You have all these NBC pages in the building who are ready, willing, and waiting to take your job.”

This paragraph suggests that instead of the toxicity causing the turnover, the turnover caused the toxicity.


BTW, I think another telling thing about this article is that they issued an update/correction of the Seinfeld story when Seinfeld cited the original reporting of the incident to be a wildly inaccurate mischaracterization of what actually happened.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It may partially be stereotypical "young people are lazy and entitled", but if that was so you would expect less people complaining. Their workforce can't be that large where 16 former employees are all millennials.

If they *are* all millennials, then that still speaks to a managerial/toxic issue because your management style should meet the needs of your team, and obviously you haven't adapted to the emotional needs of your team. Additionally, if your team is that young because you want to save costs, it's still poor management and by extension a toxic environment. I'm a firm believer in shit rolls downhill so I'm inclined to believe that there's at a minimum a management issue with a large side of the big boss/head has a substance abuse problem.

That thing about Seinfeld is not really reliable because comedians stay protecting each other. Shit has to be blatant for them to throw each other under the bus for something small like that. (again this is from a non Hollywood person so it's just my opinion)

__________________________________________

I hope you live a life you’re proud of. If you find that you’re not, I hope you have the strength to start all over again.

— F. Scott Fitzgerald

We have no idea how big the pool is. My company easily deals with 3-4 complaints/bad exit interviews a year and nothing is ever particularly awful and mostly amount to bad relationship with a manager. And it is also some managers more than others. But 16 former employees over 9 years doesn't sound excessive at all to me.

And I wouldn't even blame all millennials or Gen Zs (though they often have the same type of issues in the workplace). The article itself mentioned pages which are typically young and a lot of jobs like these skew young because they are low page, high pressure but also in high demand jobs.

I'm really not trying to defend JF but the article gives no juicy detailed bits to separate this environment from any other environment I've ever worked in.




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and what is their typical turnover rate particularly when compared to other late night shows?

Again I'm not in Hollywood, so my guess is/was a couple of dozen work directly in the show, with maybe a another dozen directly working for nbc? I can't even estimate the turnover rate 🤷🏾‍♀️

Still seems high to me, but admittedly this is coming from someone who doesn't work in Hollywood.

__________________________________________

I hope you live a life you’re proud of. If you find that you’re not, I hope you have the strength to start all over again.

— F. Scott Fitzgerald

is important, i think. people getting snapped on for "one mistake". well imagine being a person like Fallon in 2023...you gotta go talk to a camera every night...one stupid gaffe and that shit is going viral.

intersection between "comedy", "art" in general and new HR standards is tricky. being boring and predictable in the workplace may not make the best product. the idea that a comedian may be hungover at work and irritable...i mean would you rather watch Bill Hicks talk or Mitt Romney?

that balancing act isn't easy. being judgment free, super supportive...steel sharpens steel in comedy, being told your shit sucks is part of the process.

this not exactly standup scene, different dynamics. but i'd think workers would understand this some. the specifics of these complaints are..very weak. aha! seinfeld asked him to apologize--proof Fallon is a demon!

>is important, i think. people getting snapped on for "one
>mistake". well imagine being a person like Fallon in
>2023...you gotta go talk to a camera every night...one stupid
>gaffe and that shit is going viral.

This is some of the worst logic I've seen in a minute.

Fallon is a fucking dweeb. He isn't funny.

And the only viral clips I've seen of him are him obviously smashed on his show- embarrassing himself.

So he is an asshole who embarrasses himself and also isn't funny.

What do we blame now?


>
>intersection between "comedy", "art" in general and new HR
>standards is tricky.

Again, wtf are you talking about?

Not being an asshole is not a new HR standard. And Fallon is not producing anything close to art.

Is he your uncle or some shit?

being boring and predictable in the
>workplace may not make the best product.

Who the fuck is asking him to be boring and predictable? Just don't be a drunken asshole.

He's probably been extra stressed (and a typical, privileged rich white unfunny asshole) since his ratings tanked when he treated Donald Trump like a cute old man.



the idea that a
>comedian may be hungover at work and irritable...i mean would
>you rather watch Bill Hicks talk or Mitt Romney?

Again, did you think this was a great point when you typed it out?



>
>that balancing act isn't easy. being judgment free, super
>supportive...steel sharpens steel in comedy, being told your
>shit sucks is part of the process.

Were you high when you posted this shit? Steel sharpens steel? Do you think this is what is happening here?


Just don't be a drunken asshole. Who on top of it all, isn't funny in the slightest.


>
>this not exactly standup scene, different dynamics. but i'd
>think workers would understand this some. the specifics of
>these complaints are..very weak. aha! seinfeld asked him to
>apologize--proof Fallon is a demon!
>


This was legit one of the strangest posts I've seen in a minute. And you have another one in here, too.

shows about him. im saying high pressure role, he needs new good shit put in front of him that makes him look great. the accusations are vague, the rolling stone story doesn't paint the picture clearly at all.

VERY high pressure role for a dweeb, right? iunno, i dont watch the show, but all those years on tv has got to be crazymaking for a guy like him. not a defense, but i think his mindstate in all this is interesting. the story doesn't put us there at all, really.

the entertainment industry needs entertaining people and not all of them play the modern corporate office manager role well. maybe he knows his time is running out. 9 years 9 showrunners desperately looking for an answer, the reality that he aint made for it staring him in the face.

--

no real defense, but this is a known problem in comedy right? getting louis ck types to realize this isnt "the road" in 1987.

comedy writers rooms are tough places to be, especially having to churn it out like they do there. i have no idea how he is after reading that, we can guess but that's about it

pays very well, and all we do is complain lol.



<=========================================
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/PYzh4v9cSf4FDnq3yMQyqNqh79o=/800x0/filters:no_upscale%28%29/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4079674/jlio.0.gif

It's also just the worst kept secret that Jimmy is an asshole. In the same way that everyone in town knew Ellen was an asshole before the articles came out, and everyone in town knew Corden was an asshole before the articles came out, everyone knows Jimmy is an asshole. I know people who've worked there who say he's the worst boss they've ever had-- and, as the article says, that's a consensus. That shit doesn't happen unless he's an awful shitty asshole boss.

And it's not like being an asshole boss is a requirement in this space. There are plenty of talk show hosts/news anchors/people in TV with high intensity jobs who *don't* receive the Asshole label. No such label with Conan or Colbert or Kimmel or anything like this.

And no show turns over showrunners with the frequency of nine in nine years. None. Like... I'd be stunned if you can find one. That's got to be a record. And that's not a coincidence.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

/end post

---------------------------
Signature

You've found yourself an asshole. U wanna go kick his ass?

enough to make you wonder, sure.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

It's a truly insane statistic. Especially in this talk show space.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

Like I said above, that was the most remarkable part of the story to me, even as I was probably underappreciating just *how* remarkable it is.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

just saying for me reading the article nothing really stuck out as being that terrible. it's a shame that another "nice" guy isn't really that nice.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

Late night guys seem like they develop such a symbiotic relationship with their main producer and the relationship goes for decades.


Inside the NBA is another one, that show is just now starting to lose people to retirement that have been there longer than Charles Barkley!


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

thicken up your skin. using RS as your HR here...why?

almost as if almost 20 Patriots went to the media and complained that Belichik swore at them during practice.

did Fallon's attitude prevent funny jokes from making the show? or when he snapped was he shooting down weak shit?

i imagine these people were getting paid well. kumbaya doesn't always produce good product

>thicken up your skin. using RS as your HR here...why?

So, in your other post one of your major points was that this artful comedy Fallon is producing in this specialized industry means the rules are different, but now you want these folks to sit down with their HR representative?

They can't go to the media for this comedic genius superstar now?

Which is it?




>
>almost as if almost 20 Patriots went to the media and
>complained that Belichik swore at them during practice.

Huh? Again, were you high when you posted these shits?

>
>did Fallon's attitude prevent funny jokes from making the
>show?

Apparently. I mean, I'm not sure what has prevented him from being funny, but the issue here certainly isn't that there is some comedic genius at work.

It is a drunken, privileged, white asshole who was connected and treated staff like shit.



or when he snapped was he shooting down weak shit?
>

He is the weak shit. I swear to god if he isn't your uncle and/or you weren't high you need some self reflection.

>i imagine these people were getting paid well. kumbaya doesn't
>always produce good product

Again, who the fuck said anything about kumbaya or if they were well-paid?

Why are you posting funny and twisting yourself into weird positions to defend this frat reject?


Look, I love the Roots as much as anyone on here. If you went into defense mode because of them, it is still weird but you can back out.


Most folks in here posted some variation of "we don't know the whole story" or whatever....but you posted some of the strangest shit I have laid eyes on in a while.

>
>They can't go to the media for this comedic genius superstar
>now?
>

i mean are they suing him for harassment? did he breach his contract by being hungover and mean to people? why did 16 people go public against him now? maybe it's known that he's done, on the outs, people getting distance now. im sure insane amount of politicking going on. a very good article about the dynamics at the show would be a great read, this one wasnt that.

a big question is what do the roots think?

--

ha i didnt think much before posting, no, just tossed some shit off. got u riled up at least

not because *he's* underpaying, but not all these jobs pay great.

>i imagine these people were getting paid well.

we know next to nothing about the incentives of the people involved. nothing in the article says anything of substance about how his behavior may have affected the production of the show except that we know people's feeling were hurt.

isn’t there strike going on right now due to pay scales being ass?

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

The article makes that clear. He's targeting underlings and going out of his way to be a dickhead to them on a regular basis.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

no verbiage, no context. ok seinfeld saw him being an asshole and told him he should apologize. what is your take away? he works hungover, hurts people's feelings and Seinfeld once told him to apologize?

sounds like he's an asshole, in my experience assholes all have a pretty unique way of being an asshole. clearly you wanna drag the guy, fine, go for it...all i'm saying is this article doesn't tell us much about the guy, the employees or the workplace...so you can go ahead and be passionate rah rah about him being a bad guy, but you don't really know shit, you're reading tea leaves. article left me with more questions than answers

you must be really bored to try and play devils advocate with this.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

He says I'm being "passionate rah rah about him being a bad guy." I don't care if he's a bad guy-- I've never encountered him, likely never will. But I know plenty of people in the industry who either worked for him or have friends who worked for him, and they all say the same thing the article says. Combine that with the nine show runners in nine years, and that's that imo.

Like, if people want to look at the giant wall of smoke coming out of the forest and say, "guess some people just want to be passionate rah rah about a fire existing," that's fine by me, lol. But it's an open secret that's not even a secret anymore.

My movies: http://russellhainline.com
My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

Is my point. Star of show is asshole. Great. What do you go tell a friend after reading that? Did you know Jimmy fallon jerked off into a plastic plant on set and Jerry Seinfeld caught a rope on his pantleg? That's a story. X is mean. Meh ok.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

He’s ignoring real red flags within the story.

Maybe nothing happens.

But maybe…just like post Ellen…he wraps up quickly. Because there is real fire to the smoke. Being a known asshole just doesn’t really fly anymore.

It’s entirely possible that doesn’t happen but if I’m known to the typical public as a “nice guy” I probably don’t want that narrative blown up. But that feels like what Ellen did.

------------------------------

17x NBA Champions

With the strike and the show off the air, he can do a mea culpa and the story can get lost in the sauce by the time the show returns to air.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and like folks pointed out, it's doubtful they are paid well. It's pages and interns mentioned in the story.

My complaint is that there isn't much in the way of detail in the story so we have to take their word that he is sometimes and Ahole.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

https://exclaim.ca/film/article/jerry_seinfeld_calls_jimmy_fallon_allegations_an_idiotic_twisting_of_events

By Megan LaPierre
Published Sep 11, 2023
Last week, Rolling Stone published an exposé that saw 16 current and former employees of The Tonight Show accuse host Jimmy Fallon of creating a toxic workplace with his "erratic" on-set behaviour. Now, Jerry Seinfeld has called the allegations — which included two staffers claiming to have witnessed Fallon berate a crew member during the taping of a segment that featured the comedian as a guest — an "idiotic twisting of events."

"This is so stupid," Seinfeld said in a statement, which both Rolling Stone and Variety published as a response to the report that named him in relation to what the employees called an "uncomfortable moment" on set. Fallon had reportedly chastised the crew member in charge of cue cards for that night's show, and Seinfeld allegedly asked the host to apologize to the staffer.

"I remember this moment quite well," Seinfeld wrote of the incident. "I teased Jimmy about a flub, and we all had a fun laugh about how rarely Jimmy is thrown off. It was not uncomfortable at all. Jimmy and I still occasionally recall it and laugh. Idiotic twisting of events."

For the sources in the report, Fallon's ups and downs (often allegedly based on a long-rumoured problem with alcohol) spoiled the dream of working for The Tonight Show, some even claiming to have experienced suicidal ideation during their time there.

After the piece was published, Fallon apparently got on a Zoom call with his employees to apologize. "I feel so bad I can't even tell you," he said, as per Variety. "I want this show to be fun, it should be inclusive for everybody, it should be funny, it should be the best show, the best people."

*******************************************************
i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
- Cory Booker

Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
- Gary Lineker

he's clarifying the one incident where he's referenced as a mischaracterization

By adding the "s' they make it sound like a wholesale dismissal of all allegations. and maybe he does feel that way but there's nothing in the article to indicate that.

I think it would certainly lead some, if not most, to believe that he was dismissing *all* of the allegations, rather than just the allegations put forth in the one incident that Seinfeld himself was involved in.

They could've found a better headline for that for sure. That said, I haven't been able to come up with one, so maybe they couldn't have. Haha.


>he's clarifying the one incident where he's referenced as a
>mischaracterization
>
>By adding the "s' they make it sound like a wholesale
>dismissal of all allegations. and maybe he does feel that way
>but there's nothing in the article to indicate that.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

he's referencing one incident. or just say the allegation involving him.

i get it its not click baity enough but if it was about me, i'd be like wtf.

sounds like defenders trying to drag him in the same way he felt dragged in by accusers.

>They could've found a better headline for that for sure. That
>said, I haven't been able to come up with one, so maybe they
>couldn't have. Haha.

people are on me in this thread like i'm crazy meanwhile people getting all triumphant like they learned some definitive damning thing from the RS article. okps so eager to explain....what about jimmy fallon? none of the energy in here makes sense to me. gossiping about a workplace everyone is a million miles away from. frank longo finding things TRULY INSANE. what the fuck is everyone on about, can some explain please?

i dont gaf about jimmy fallon, just find this all a super odd reaction to nothingburger of a celebrity gossip story. did the employees think this was going to be some massive takedown piece? help it make sense, okp

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

He's been drunk in this very post ! It tracks.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc

nothing gets past you.

now please help me out & delete this thread