legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Mon Nov-07-22 06:57 AM
"why isn’t Amazon in trouble for selling that documentary Kyrie promote..."
seems weird Kyrie is called all types of names but Jeff Beezo can profit from it and no one says a word about it.
I get the NBA’s angle but national news aint even asked or answered that question.
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1. "Publisher versus tout " In response to Reply # 0 Mon Nov-07-22 07:18 AM by shockvalue
Doesn’t freedom of the press demand that mere publication of racist or otherwise offensive material be allowed to continue? We don’t want the government banning books. You can learn good lessons from a bad book and I would therefore not support a boycott of Amazon over its sale of Mein Kampf for example.
But a famous person saying “”Mein Kampf” is an important book and if you ask if I mean the antisemitism I’m going to be coy and not give you an answer” is different. I might support a boycott of that individual.
(Not trying to totally accurately invoke the Irving situation since I don’t know the details).
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4. "Freedom of Speech/Press has nothing to do with Amazon Prime" In response to Reply # 1
The Amazon bookstore doesn't have to sell mein Kampf. They can choose not to profit from that book.
Amazon Prime already moderates and doesn't publish every video that people want published there just like the new York Times doesn't have to print any and everything that is sent to them.
There is a journalist in jail in Texas for a story she published. That is the only story I've seen in the US a long time that actually implicates Freedom of Speech?Press.
and my point isn’t that these books shouldn’t be available..
its just wild seeing how everyone jumps on Kyrie and no one has asked why Amazon is profiting off this stuff.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
29. "except there's a reply here with tons of national media" In response to Reply # 21
who have for years asked that exact question, you just never read any of it because you don't actually give a shit, and you heard someone else make this point
26. "The book is public domain. You can get it literally in 2 seconds online..." In response to Reply # 17
Amazon banning the book would not have any impact on people's ability to get the book. Amazon banning it does stop anyone from profiting from the book.
So amazon banning the book has no impact on people's ability to critique the book. Howver, if someone were to make an annotated copy of the book that explained all the lies, all the stereotypes and treats the book as a historical text to be critiqued, I am all for that being sold.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Mon Nov-07-22 09:02 AM
5. "I’m not suggesting the book shouldn’t exist" In response to Reply # 1
but why can Beezos profit from these books and no one says a word?
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
8. "My problem is that offering a piece of media " In response to Reply # 5 Mon Nov-07-22 09:36 AM by shockvalue
In some contexts is value-neutral.
Amazon probably sells old historical math books with incorrect outdated math in there. Obviously there’s no endorsement of the math here—Amazon is a bookseller and old books have historical value…but if a candidate for a math position propounds these books, this is problematic advocacy, it could be grounds for being passed over for the job.
I’ve not seen the case made that the Hebrew Israelites videos aren’t mostly being watched by stoners for laughs…
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12. "I don’t deny that that’s one component of it" In response to Reply # 10
But the power dynamics are a whole other. NBA CBA says that players must talk with the media after every game So the players and coaches are contractually obligated to answer a whole host of questions that no such power dynamic exists for either owners or the comissioner And so what you’re left with is Joey from New Affiliate Blah Blah Z coming at Rich and Famous NBAier and who needs to answer for and to their views. Meanwhile the Joe Tsai don’t have to answer for having dude on the payroll
And that’s just the way of everything in this country. Your neighbor gets a fine front he city for water wasting and we “all” agree that his behavior is bad that the fines are fair Meanwhile the hotel down the street got a resort style pool and lush green golf course. The different levels of harm are night and day but society has deemed individuals punishable for their actions to curb behaviors growing at scale
So you end up with. Kyrie Irving way more answerable to his dumb shit than that platforms that supply it, the platforms that don’t block him posting it, and the people hosting this shit on the servers, and the financial systems that complete the transaction of purchase or rent
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Mon Nov-07-22 11:07 AM
19. "he’s white and wrong" In response to Reply # 16
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
Want it off Amazon, tell them you want it gone. Don't ask why the NBA and the "national news" isn't pressuring a boycott. And don't pretend other people aren't.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Mon Nov-07-22 11:22 AM
24. "dont ask a question on a message board? wtf" In response to Reply # 22
sometimes you just need to stfu
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Mon Nov-07-22 10:45 AM
18. "Only a white person would say something this stupid" In response to Reply # 14
to a Black person
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
20. "Conspiracies and Anti-semitic tropes have one main purpose" In response to Reply # 0
to create division and take the attention away from the destructive nature of Capitalism and white supremacy.
Kyrie being suspended and the only one being called out in this scenario helps turn him into a 'martyr' to people who believe what he's saying or things in the film.
If we talked about how Amazon is profiting off the film, or look at the dark money and people who amplify a lot these conspiracies, then we'd have to start having a conversation about the role capitalism and white/christian supremacy plays....and US don't want to have that conversation.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79616 posts
Mon Nov-07-22 11:21 AM
23. "its not about believing what Kyrie is saying" In response to Reply # 20
I don’t even know what he is trying to say.. lol
but its sports and Beezo now host Thursday Night football and is rumored to be in play to buy a team.
so its a question that needs to be answered..
its a topic that needs to be discussed on sports radio since they are spending all this time on Kyrie.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
US loves the narrative of the 'self-made billionaire' we don't want to talk about how they got there or call out that they are actual sociopaths who have made their wealth off blatant exploitation and are only looking to help themselves.
more people are starting to see Elon for the person he is, but anyone reading between the lines could have seen the type of person he was years ago.
We're aware of the blatant violations against Amazon workers, delivery drivers and attempts to organize....but we still line Bezos' pockets cause of cheap prices and free 2-day shipping.
I have 'progressive' friends in DC that hate Snyder and are THRILLED at the possibility of Bezos becoming the new owner of the team....the collective trauma cycle that this country has with capitalism and worshiping billionaires is self-destructive.
feels like a lot of people want us to have a billionaire like Tony Stark, but we're really just creating a bunch of Lex Luthors.
32. "I don't expect them to review EVERY book/album/movi" In response to Reply # 0
that gets put up for sell, although with all the attention this is bringing to it, I'd be surprised if it doesn't get pulled from Amazon and other retailers
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35. "agreed. but yeah i'm surprised its taking this long." In response to Reply # 32
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
44. "But they’re not asking Jeff Bezos to apologize " In response to Reply # 33
“ asking that the “virulently antisemitic book and related-video” either be removed from the platform’s marketplace or come attached with context that explains why these works are problematic.”
Attached with context?
Why wasn’t Kyrie giving context for why he posted the link enough?
I don’t see how anyone can fail to see the disparity in treatment.
Jeff Bezos is never gonna be surrounded by reporters asking him over and over to explain why that content was on Amazon.
Thee Phantom Member since Jul 18th 2005 2775 posts
Mon Nov-07-22 05:18 PM
40. "'Zon Sells Everything From Dildos to Mein Kampf" In response to Reply # 0
They don't censor what they sell in the same vein that Apple Music doesn't censor Gangsta Rap or Trap Music. You can own a copy of "F*ck the Police", but you can't play it at work.
It's foolish to think that a company who's literal slogan is to sell everything from A to Z, would pull something from it's shelves just because an NBA Player got in trouble with his employer.
Bezos isn't even the CEO at this point and there are way too many stakeholders to think about pulling one product. They'd have to pull a ton of products and that ain't happening.
I keep seeing this posted and I don't think folks are thinking this all the way through.
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