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"why isn’t Amazon in trouble for selling that documentary Kyrie promote..."


          

seems weird Kyrie is called all types of names but Jeff Beezo can profit from it and no one says a word about it.

I get the NBA’s angle but national news aint even asked or answered that question.

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Publisher versus tout
Nov 07th 2022
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He posted a link to the doc on twitter, and a screenshot of...
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Freedom of Speech/Press has nothing to do with Amazon Prime
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You’re right. But thank god they do carry Mein Kampf. N/m
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      Thank god?
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           How would the critiquers obtain the book?
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                lol.. good point
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                except there's a reply here with tons of national media
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                The book is public domain. You can get it literally in 2 seconds online...
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I’m not suggesting the book shouldn’t exist
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      My problem is that offering a piece of media
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      if no one cares, then this is a fake argument
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who's the ceo of amazon
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National news is owned by corporations and is a vehicle to sell ads
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it's mostly because no one cares or wants to read it
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      I don’t deny that that’s one component of it
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      Double post
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Watch how it’s done Kyrie
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^^^ "There's a BET, why not a White Entertainment TV??" energy
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That's not at all the same energy. And the article you shared said
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he’s white and wrong
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I said a simple Google would do it
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      dont ask a question on a message board? wtf
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      ^^
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      Amazon is not nearly getting the backlash that Kyrie is getting.
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           lol
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           Anyone who can’t see the disparity wants to be blind
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Only a white person would say something this stupid
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^^^^^^^ No lies detected
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yall let these crackers get way too cozy
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      yup.
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Conspiracies and Anti-semitic tropes have one main purpose
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its not about believing what Kyrie is saying
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      exactly
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Based on the outrage, you would think Kyrie wrote the book...
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I don't expect them to review EVERY book/album/movi
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agreed. but yeah i'm surprised its taking this long.
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looks like the nets and the adl read your post!
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Of course Amazon should be held accountable as well!
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literally no one, that's why the ADL has protested this before
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But they’re not asking Jeff Bezos to apologize
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      who is the CEO of amazon?
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           RE: No Longer Bezos
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iono but this shit put a battery in white peoples back
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This is a silly question.
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'Zon Sells Everything From Dildos to Mein Kampf
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rhymes with "macism"
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1. "Publisher versus tout "
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Mon Nov-07-22 07:18 AM by shockvalue

          

Doesn’t freedom of the press demand that mere publication of racist or otherwise offensive material be allowed to continue? We don’t want the government banning books. You can learn good lessons from a bad book and I would therefore not support a boycott of Amazon over its sale of Mein Kampf for example.

But a famous person saying “”Mein Kampf” is an important book and
if you ask if I mean the antisemitism I’m going to be coy and not give you an answer” is different. I might support a boycott of that individual.

(Not trying to totally accurately invoke the Irving situation since I don’t know the details).

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3. "He posted a link to the doc on twitter, and a screenshot of..."
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...it's cover on IG. No caption or description. No context (originally) given by him other than linking to the doc on his accounts.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/kyrie-irving-antisemitic.html

  

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4. "Freedom of Speech/Press has nothing to do with Amazon Prime"
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The Amazon bookstore doesn't have to sell mein Kampf. They can choose not to profit from that book.

Amazon Prime already moderates and doesn't publish every video that people want published there just like the new York Times doesn't have to print any and everything that is sent to them.


There is a journalist in jail in Texas for a story she published. That is the only story I've seen in the US a long time that actually implicates Freedom of Speech?Press.


https://reason.com/2022/11/04/this-court-case-could-make-it-a-crime-to-be-a-journalist-in-texas/


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7. "You’re right. But thank god they do carry Mein Kampf. N/m"
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15. "Thank god?"
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That book could disappear from saale and humanity would be okay.

I wouldn't mind if there were books that analyzed and critiqued it but I don't see a great harm to the world if the book were just outrighted banned.


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17. "How would the critiquers obtain the book?"
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21. "lol.. good point"
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and my point isn’t that these books shouldn’t be available..

its just wild seeing how everyone jumps on Kyrie and no one has asked why Amazon is profiting off this stuff.

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29. "except there's a reply here with tons of national media"
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who have for years asked that exact question, you just never read any of it because you don't actually give a shit, and you heard someone else make this point


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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26. "The book is public domain. You can get it literally in 2 seconds online..."
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Amazon banning the book would not have any impact on people's ability to get the book. Amazon banning it does stop anyone from profiting from the book.

So amazon banning the book has no impact on people's ability to critique the book. Howver, if someone were to make an annotated copy of the book that explained all the lies, all the stereotypes and treats the book as a historical text to be critiqued, I am all for that being sold.


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5. "I’m not suggesting the book shouldn’t exist"
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but why can Beezos profit from these books and no one says a word?

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8. "My problem is that offering a piece of media "
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In some contexts is value-neutral.

Amazon probably sells old historical math books with incorrect outdated math in there. Obviously there’s no endorsement of the math here—Amazon is a bookseller and old books have historical value…but if a candidate for a math position propounds these books, this is problematic advocacy, it could be grounds for being passed over for the job.

I’ve not seen the case made that the Hebrew Israelites videos aren’t mostly being watched by stoners for laughs…



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9. "if no one cares, then this is a fake argument"
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if y'all do care, then feel free to press amazon on it.

Amazon has been criticized for this before, and it's been reported on by the mainstream media

you didn't notice because why would you, you don't actually care

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-auschwitz-idCAKCN20H0JA

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/technology/amazon-bookstore-nazis.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/01/amazon-trans-pride-month-books-protest/

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/542975-amazon-stops-selling-books-that-describe-being/

https://fortune.com/2018/07/07/amazon-white-supremacist-products/

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53518008
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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2. "who's the ceo of amazon"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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6. "National news is owned by corporations and is a vehicle to sell ads"
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Why would “national news” question the owner of the Washington Post, controller of Thursday night NFL, and ruler of AWS?

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10. "it's mostly because no one cares or wants to read it"
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as I linked above, there have been reports.

no one gives a shit.

What Jeff Bezos is a shareholder of doesn't really matter


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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12. "I don’t deny that that’s one component of it"
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But the power dynamics are a whole other.
NBA CBA says that players must talk with the media after every game
So the players and coaches are contractually obligated to answer a whole host of questions that no such power dynamic exists for either owners or the comissioner
And so what you’re left with is Joey from New Affiliate Blah Blah Z coming at Rich and Famous NBAier and who needs to answer for and to their views.
Meanwhile the Joe Tsai don’t have to answer for having dude on the payroll

And that’s just the way of everything in this country.
Your neighbor gets a fine front he city for water wasting and we “all” agree that his behavior is bad that the fines are fair
Meanwhile the hotel down the street got a resort style pool and lush green golf course.
The different levels of harm are night and day but society has deemed individuals punishable for their actions to curb behaviors growing at scale

So you end up with. Kyrie Irving way more answerable to his dumb shit than that platforms that supply it, the platforms that don’t block him posting it, and the people hosting this shit on the servers, and the financial systems that complete the transaction of purchase or rent

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13. "Double post"
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Nm

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11. "Watch how it’s done Kyrie"
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GODDAMN THIS BOOK LOOKS VILE:

Unlocking the Secret within Mein Kampf: Revealing the Jewish Master Race https:
https://www.amazon.com/Unlocking-Secret-within-Mein-Kampf/dp/B08P4SJ4Q9

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14. "^^^ "There's a BET, why not a White Entertainment TV??" energy"
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"Just asking questions."

All your questions are answered with a simple Google search.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/kyrie-irving-antisemitic.html

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16. "That's not at all the same energy. And the article you shared said"
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nothing about Amazon's role in selling the video.


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19. "he’s white and wrong"
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22. "I said a simple Google would do it"
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And I linked an article.

Do BOTH.

Here's a super simple Google for "Hebrews to negroes" + "Amazon" and this comes up for national news:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyrie-irving-hebrews-to-negroes-amazon-antisemitic/

Want it off Amazon, tell them you want it gone. Don't ask why the NBA and the "national news" isn't pressuring a boycott. And don't pretend other people aren't.

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24. "dont ask a question on a message board? wtf"
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sometimes you just need to stfu

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25. "^^"
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You clearly came here to post some clearly grievance shit.....
-OR-
You literally can't think of anyway to find information.

I'm thinking you're NOT stupid, so I'm going with option 1.

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28. "Amazon is not nearly getting the backlash that Kyrie is getting. "
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ADL asking them to take down the video isn't the same as calls across the board for Kyrie to be suspended and apologize.

It really isn't the same energy. Which isn't a function of anti-semitism, but rather an intersection of race and the power of rich elites.


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30. "lol"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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43. "Anyone who can’t see the disparity wants to be blind "
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Peace,

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http://wutangbook.com

  

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18. "Only a white person would say something this stupid"
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to a Black person

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41. "^^^^^^^ No lies detected"
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No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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38. "yall let these crackers get way too cozy"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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47. "yup."
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20. "Conspiracies and Anti-semitic tropes have one main purpose"
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to create division and take the attention away from the destructive nature of Capitalism and white supremacy.


Kyrie being suspended and the only one being called out in this scenario helps turn him into a 'martyr' to people who believe what he's saying or things in the film.

If we talked about how Amazon is profiting off the film, or look at the dark money and people who amplify a lot these conspiracies, then we'd have to start having a conversation about the role capitalism and white/christian supremacy plays....and US don't want to have that conversation.

We go to wars to not have that conversation.



  

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23. "its not about believing what Kyrie is saying"
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I don’t even know what he is trying to say.. lol

but its sports and Beezo now host Thursday Night football and is rumored to be in play to buy a team.

so its a question that needs to be answered..

its a topic that needs to be discussed on sports radio since they are spending all this time on Kyrie.

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27. "exactly"
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US loves the narrative of the 'self-made billionaire'
we don't want to talk about how they got there or call out that they are actual sociopaths who have made their wealth off blatant exploitation and are only looking to help themselves.

more people are starting to see Elon for the person he is, but anyone reading between the lines could have seen the type of person he was years ago.

We're aware of the blatant violations against Amazon workers, delivery drivers and attempts to organize....but we still line Bezos' pockets cause of cheap prices and free 2-day shipping.

I have 'progressive' friends in DC that hate Snyder and are THRILLED at the possibility of Bezos becoming the new owner of the team....the collective trauma cycle that this country has with capitalism and worshiping billionaires is self-destructive.

feels like a lot of people want us to have a billionaire like Tony Stark, but we're really just creating a bunch of Lex Luthors.




  

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31. "Based on the outrage, you would think Kyrie wrote the book..."
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...meanwhile, Amazon is just quietly profiting of the book ..no calls to boycott ..no calls to cancel Amazon Prime. ..it's very weird






  

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32. "I don't expect them to review EVERY book/album/movi"
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that gets put up for sell, although with all the attention this is bringing to it, I'd be surprised if it doesn't get pulled from Amazon and other retailers

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35. "agreed. but yeah i'm surprised its taking this long."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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33. "looks like the nets and the adl read your post!"
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1589679725727059969

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34. "Of course Amazon should be held accountable as well!"
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Like why would anyone think its okay for Kyrie be suspended but have no problem with Amazon profiting off the video1?!?




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36. "literally no one, that's why the ADL has protested this before"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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44. "But they’re not asking Jeff Bezos to apologize "
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“ asking that the “virulently antisemitic book and related-video” either be removed from the platform’s marketplace or come attached with context that explains why these works are problematic.”

Attached with context?

Why wasn’t Kyrie giving context for why he posted the link enough?

I don’t see how anyone can fail to see the disparity in treatment.

Jeff Bezos is never gonna be surrounded by reporters asking him over and over to explain why that content was on Amazon.

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45. "who is the CEO of amazon?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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46. "RE: No Longer Bezos"
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Hasn't been for nearly two years.
Folks don't even know who to be faux outraged at.

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37. "iono but this shit put a battery in white peoples back "
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they feel like experts in bigotry now. gonna send us to get "educated" on hate.


and the negroes egging it on are going to hell

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39. "This is a silly question."
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Bullies don't pick on someone they think can hurt them.

Y'all scary negros let these fake chosen people bully you into all kinds of experiments see the JAB.

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40. "'Zon Sells Everything From Dildos to Mein Kampf"
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They don't censor what they sell in the same vein that Apple Music doesn't censor Gangsta Rap or Trap Music. You can own a copy of "F*ck the Police", but you can't play it at work.

It's foolish to think that a company who's literal slogan is to sell everything from A to Z, would pull something from it's shelves just because an NBA Player got in trouble with his employer.

Bezos isn't even the CEO at this point and there are way too many stakeholders to think about pulling one product. They'd have to pull a ton of products and that ain't happening.

I keep seeing this posted and I don't think folks are thinking this all the way through.

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42. "rhymes with "macism""
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Americans are 100% bitchmade when it comes to challenging corporate power, and LOOOOOOVE punishing black men

  

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