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walihorse
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"Jeffrey Epstein dead by suicide."


  

          

Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide, sources say

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/10/us/jeffrey-epstein-death/index.html

I am not surprised. God damn this is some bullshit.

He was on suicide watch. All his shit better still be investigated.

żIf a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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How many names won’t get out now that he is dead?
Aug 10th 2019
1
All of them, but birds of a feather flock together so we know a few
Aug 10th 2019
4
I saw that there's no block on a search warrant now
Aug 10th 2019
8
      Police aren't going to want any part of that
Aug 10th 2019
11
This some True Detective shit
Aug 10th 2019
2
Sure. “Suicide”.
Aug 10th 2019
3
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!! Gets truer every day
Aug 10th 2019
5
Real life is legit more crazy than fiction at this point.
Aug 10th 2019
6
Script writers have the easiest job in the world right now
Aug 10th 2019
9
They actually did an Epstein episode about a decade ago
Aug 10th 2019
10
Yep. Ninjaz know what it is. Dat muthafukka got GOT! !(C)MightyMosDef
Aug 10th 2019
15
SMH.
Aug 10th 2019
7
McNulty will get to the bottom of it
Aug 10th 2019
12
"I'm just sorry I brought this whole mess up to begin with...
Aug 10th 2019
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surprised it took that long tbh
Aug 10th 2019
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for the record he *wasn't* on suicide watch
Aug 10th 2019
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According to what data? All reports indicate that he WAS on suicide wat...
Aug 11th 2019
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      New York Times
Aug 11th 2019
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           Ok Sista, I'll take your word for it....
Aug 11th 2019
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                lol the link is right there!
Aug 11th 2019
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                     LOL
Aug 12th 2019
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I'm calling bs
Aug 11th 2019
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That’s a great conspiracy
Aug 11th 2019
18
I'm in this line.
Aug 12th 2019
35
Fishy
Aug 11th 2019
19
WTF is wrong with the fucking world that conspiracies shit is the defaul...
Aug 11th 2019
21
He wasn’t on suicide watch
Aug 11th 2019
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Lmao. You act like this was some random pedo from West Virginia.
Aug 11th 2019
25
Suicide is plausible. So is murder by a random inmate for being a pedo.
Aug 11th 2019
27
agreed
Aug 11th 2019
28
This is higher profile with some fishy circumstances though
Aug 11th 2019
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It does NOT sound strange if you at all fmailar with jail
Aug 11th 2019
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      For 99.9% of inmates? Yes.
Aug 14th 2019
66
Suicide watch IS someone WATCHING every second. SP is every 15 minutes
Aug 11th 2019
31
You must go to fancy ass jails (Jails fail)
Aug 11th 2019
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      I've worked at them and prisons. But you go ahead.
Aug 11th 2019
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           Oh, so your jail has 1:1 24/7 watch on restrained prisoners?
Aug 12th 2019
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                Lmao
Aug 12th 2019
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                Whatever you’re talking about doesn’t change what SP and SW is
Aug 12th 2019
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                     He doesn’t know wtf he is talking about
Aug 13th 2019
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He got a once in a lifetime "Get Out of Jail Free" card
Aug 12th 2019
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It's not THAT hard to believe a rich dude in that situation would want
Aug 12th 2019
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RE: Jeffrey Epstein dead by suicide.
Aug 12th 2019
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not checked on for hours
Aug 12th 2019
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His cell mate was removed and a trainee was put on guard duty
Aug 13th 2019
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democrats are so frustrating at times like these.
Aug 13th 2019
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Shep Smith was on Fox News and said...
Aug 13th 2019
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thank God both investigations into what happened
Aug 13th 2019
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And they don't even need to lie like repugs do.
Aug 13th 2019
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repubs will take some little local news anecdote from podunk
Aug 13th 2019
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It's early. We can attack without shooting from the hip.
Aug 13th 2019
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      Early ?!
Aug 13th 2019
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      too early to tell the truth?
Aug 13th 2019
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           Scream it from the fucking rooftops.
Aug 13th 2019
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           Topical tweet:
Aug 13th 2019
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           Buddy means well but it’s a prime example of Dem failure
Aug 13th 2019
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                Nah, I just don't think #TrumpBodyCount versus #ClintonBodyCount
Aug 13th 2019
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                     Nah. It’s another clip in the chamber
Aug 13th 2019
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                          Yea. When the corruption is this blatant and damaging and ongoing ...
Aug 13th 2019
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news broke on 4chan before officials announced it
Aug 13th 2019
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Doesn't seem weird to me
Aug 13th 2019
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      just look at the proud boys and portland pd.
Aug 13th 2019
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Two Guards fell asleep and falsified records to cover it up
Aug 14th 2019
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Sureeeeee *wink*
Aug 14th 2019
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patsy paper trail.
Aug 14th 2019
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I’m sure 2 guards were put to sleep
Aug 14th 2019
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hyoid bone breaks more common with homicide
Aug 15th 2019
67
Damn. They goin HAM in those tweets.....
Aug 15th 2019
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      Nah, this ain’t a conspiracy.
Aug 15th 2019
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           why is everyone pretending this is a normal inmate?
Aug 15th 2019
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                TOKP
Aug 15th 2019
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                     people don't want to align with the always believe the conspiracy types
Aug 16th 2019
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                          I think believing suicide is the conspiracy this time around.
Aug 16th 2019
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Sometimes you gotta snatch a life. n/m
Aug 15th 2019
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medical examiner rules: suicide by hanging.
Aug 16th 2019
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RE: medical examiner rules: suicide by hanging.
Aug 16th 2019
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      Haha no way.
Aug 16th 2019
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           Okay my bad
Aug 16th 2019
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legsdiamond
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1. "How many names won’t get out now that he is dead? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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4. "All of them, but birds of a feather flock together so we know a few "
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8. "I saw that there's no block on a search warrant now"
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that he's dead. so law enforcement could go digging even more.

  

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11. "Police aren't going to want any part of that "
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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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Mafamaticks
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2. "This some True Detective shit"
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3. "Sure. “Suicide”. "
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5. "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!! Gets truer every day"
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I think if we knew how far that activity stretched it could throw the world on its ear

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6. "Real life is legit more crazy than fiction at this point. "
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The day after names starts dropping he dies by “suicide”???

  

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9. "Script writers have the easiest job in the world right now"
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you don't even have to make up stories

Watch Law & Order SVU drop the hotness in like 3 months LOL

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10. "They actually did an Epstein episode about a decade ago"
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The character was incredibly obvious - a guy named Jordan Hayes who really, really liked massages. They must have had this character try to innocently explain his enthusiasm for three to four daily massages like four times in the episode. By the end of 60 minutes, the word no longer had a non-predatory-and-sexual meaning.

If I remember right (I actually re-watched a whole bunch of these about a month ago, but the conclusions never really fully register in my memory), the woman who was the Ghislaine Maxwell figure got a *ton* of jailtime in the episode, and it was strongly suggested that he'd get some cushy white collar sentence.

It'd be hilarious if they brought back the same actor. If I remembered the ending right, I bet they could keep the plotline pretty faithful to current events.

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15. "Yep. Ninjaz know what it is. Dat muthafukka got GOT! !(C)MightyMosDef"
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Sat Aug-10-19 06:32 PM by NoDrawls McGraw

  

          

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7. "SMH. "
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the funny thing was, some of the names we did see in the unsealed documents were more disturbing to me than had they have been the Clintons as the trolls are wont to dance around about.

but yeah, feds watching over him, dude still gets the Ariel Castro special.

  

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12. "McNulty will get to the bottom of it"
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13. ""I'm just sorry I brought this whole mess up to begin with..."
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14. "surprised it took that long tbh"
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16. "for the record he *wasn't* on suicide watch"
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Definitely odd after an attempted suicide attempt, but unsurprising knowing our penal system.

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20. "According to what data? All reports indicate that he WAS on suicide wat..."
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Where did you get your info from?




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22. "New York Times"
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Why Wasn’t Epstein on Suicide Watch When He Died? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-watch.html

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24. "Ok Sista, I'll take your word for it...."
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

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26. "lol the link is right there!"
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this place

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17. "I'm calling bs "
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They prolly faked his death and whisked him away somewhere off the grid.

  

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18. "That’s a great conspiracy "
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One I can believe in too

shut up already, damn

  

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19. "Fishy"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.amp.html

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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21. "WTF is wrong with the fucking world that conspiracies shit is the defaul..."
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Dude was a pedophile/abuser that killed himself in jail.

We've seen a TON of other people do it to, remember Ariel Castor?

And if you've ever been in jail/prison you KNOW they don't have eyes on you 24 hours a day.

Even in an Intensive Care Unit in a hospital only the top level/most critical patients get 1:1 nursing care - what makes you think that people in jail would ever get that?

Suicide watch is not someone WATCHING you every second of every minute. SOMETIMES they strip you naked and shove you in a small cell alone with no way of hurting yourself - but most times its someone comes by more often to look at you.

Other than strapping this dude down 24/7 and literally paying the salaries of 2 or more people to watch (remember - people blink) him all the time someone might be able to find a way to kill themselves.

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23. "He wasn’t on suicide watch"
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I don’t agree with people saying HE WAS DEFINITELY MURDERED but I don’t think anyone is wrong to be suspicious. He was taken off of suicide watch, and his cell mate was moved. Sure, you can’t always prevent a prisoner from committing suicide, but in this case there is a lot to be suspicious about. I have no idea what happened, but if that NY Times article is true, it seems a little fishy.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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25. "Lmao. You act like this was some random pedo from West Virginia. "
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Dude had links to Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew and a whole bunch of high profile international leaders.

this isn’t the type of dude you leave unattended in some crusty ass jail.

Cameras are cheap as hell. No way you don’t have this fool on surveillance 24/7.

shut up already, damn

  

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27. "Suicide is plausible. So is murder by a random inmate for being a pedo. "
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So I don’t DEFINITELY think it’s some grand conspiracy.

But it’s not at all far fetched given his circle of activity.

And I don’t ever believe in any conspiracies.

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28. "agreed"
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almost as if some want this to be a prolonged soap opera. looks like he just killed
himself to me. if he was guilty, who cares if he off'd himself or was murdered?

  

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29. "This is higher profile with some fishy circumstances though"
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Generally speaking I agree with the repugnance toward conspiracy and in particular the people who assume they know who was the responsible (overwhelmingly these people point to the Clintons).

But it seems pretty strange that someone with his profile and a previous suicide attempt wasn't being monitored to prevent this, especially when he was much more valuable to the overarching investigation alive than dead. This is only going to aid other offenders and diminish justice for the victims. And guess who's stepping in now to carry the investigation through? Old AG Barr, who we have already seen in action multiple times covering the asses of those in power.

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30. "It does NOT sound strange if you at all fmailar with jail"
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>But it seems pretty strange that someone with his profile and
>a previous suicide attempt wasn't being monitored to prevent
>this, especially when he was much more valuable to the
>overarching investigation alive than dead.

Guards don't sit and stare at people 24 hours a day. There's no AI watching video feeds and setting off alarms.

Suicide watch is like being under the most invasive attentive watch and they check on you like once an hour.

And they take you off it if you are doing better because 1)It's a pain in their ass to watch inmates closely and 2)It's inhumane to the inmate for it to happen over any extended period of time.

Dude tried to hurt himself, they watched him more than normal for a while - then he seemed okay and they watched him less - then he killed himself.

Maybe people will understand how jails work after this - it's literally just locking people up and nothing else.

There's no conspiracy - you'll find that until the guards out number the inmates that all jail are places where inmates can hurt themselves or be victims of other inmates or guards.

It's legalized hell. And prison is worse.

Maybe you expected him to be restrained and in a medical induced coma with 12 people standing around him and watching every move forever???

Its not how jails or prisons work. They'd be A LOT more expensive if they had to staff up to give 100% vigilance to all inmates. (And trustees would be assed out.)

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66. "For 99.9% of inmates? Yes."
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For a case this high profile and a federal prison? The two guards fell asleep together for three hours? Were they spooning?

Nah this is fishy as shit. It's stupid to think we know exactly what happened, yes, but to buy the official account completely? Nah.

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31. "Suicide watch IS someone WATCHING every second. SP is every 15 minutes"
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Suicide Precaution is being checked on every 15 minutes.

Not sure if Epstein was on Watch or Precaution


>Dude was a pedophile/abuser that killed himself in jail.
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>We've seen a TON of other people do it to, remember Ariel
>Castor?
>
>And if you've ever been in jail/prison you KNOW they don't
>have eyes on you 24 hours a day.
>
>Even in an Intensive Care Unit in a hospital only the top
>level/most critical patients get 1:1 nursing care - what makes
>you think that people in jail would ever get that?
>
>Suicide watch is not someone WATCHING you every second of
>every minute. SOMETIMES they strip you naked and shove you in
>a small cell alone with no way of hurting yourself - but most
>times its someone comes by more often to look at you.
>
>Other than strapping this dude down 24/7 and literally paying
>the salaries of 2 or more people to watch (remember - people
>blink) him all the time someone might be able to find a way to
>kill themselves.
>

  

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32. "You must go to fancy ass jails (Jails fail)"
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And NO ONE gets 1:1 watch.

NO ONE. Not in jail. (This isn't a supermax - and I don't know of any panopticon type jails.)

What they do do is put you in a straight jacket type outfit - or strip you naked and lock in a a cell with absolutely nothing in it - not even a normal toilet - its just a drain.

They aren't watching you all the time - they are coming by once every 15 minutes - or sometimes those cells are near the guard station so if they hear anything they'll check (if they feel like it.)

Again, this is a jail - not a psychiatric hospital or a super-max prison.

Dude was a fucking billionaire sociopath - likely he talked his way off suicide watch and then finished the job himself.

The rest of his life WOULD have been in a supermax with guards and inmates wanting to kill him because he's a pedophile.

Maybe people think that jails are efficient and work? NOPE.

Now comes "the hindsight." Everyone will say "Why didn't you put him in a medical coma, restrain him, and have 10 people stand around him in a circle 24 hours a day??

And jails and prison have only one rule: Common sense is never allowed to be brought into any decisions.

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33. "I've worked at them and prisons. But you go ahead."
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>And NO ONE gets 1:1 watch.
>
>NO ONE. Not in jail. (This isn't a supermax - and I don't know
>of any panopticon type jails.)
>
>What they do do is put you in a straight jacket type outfit -
>or strip you naked and lock in a a cell with absolutely
>nothing in it - not even a normal toilet - its just a drain.
>
>They aren't watching you all the time - they are coming by
>once every 15 minutes - or sometimes those cells are near the
>guard station so if they hear anything they'll check (if they
>feel like it.)
>
>Again, this is a jail - not a psychiatric hospital or a
>super-max prison.
>
>Dude was a fucking billionaire sociopath - likely he talked
>his way off suicide watch and then finished the job himself.
>
>The rest of his life WOULD have been in a supermax with guards
>and inmates wanting to kill him because he's a pedophile.
>
>Maybe people think that jails are efficient and work? NOPE.
>
>Now comes "the hindsight." Everyone will say "Why didn't you
>put him in a medical coma, restrain him, and have 10 people
>stand around him in a circle 24 hours a day??
>
>And jails and prison have only one rule: Common sense is never
>allowed to be brought into any decisions.

  

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38. "Oh, so your jail has 1:1 24/7 watch on restrained prisoners?"
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Shit, then it had to be Bill Clinton strangled him.

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39. "Lmao"
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shut up already, damn

  

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41. " Whatever you’re talking about doesn’t change what SP and SW is"
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>Shit, then it had to be Bill Clinton strangled him.

  

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43. "He doesn’t know wtf he is talking about"
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Sure, a ton of prisons don’t watch people 24/7 and there is always an opportunity for a prisoner to kill them selves

However, this inmate is TOTALLY different so all that nonsense he is speaking on is irrelevant.

All the mistakes made in this particular jail weren’t by accident. It’s a shame that some folks will blame prison guards or understaffing when we all know this case would’ve brought some serious damage to high ranking officials, money men and government leaders.

shut up already, damn

  

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37. "He got a once in a lifetime "Get Out of Jail Free" card"
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He was likely going to jail to do hard time, at least for awhile, this time.

That hard time as a sexual predator and pedophile would've been the hardest time, so I don't doubt that could motivate him to suicide on its own.

But if he really did have some powerful co-conspirators, snitching could've been an option... if he could be sure he and those closest to him could be protected. You'd need vast personal resources AND the help of the government to do that.

He was a billionaire... but he'd be seeking protection by Trump's DOJ. If he had dirt on Trump but couldn't find a way to leverage it to protect himself and his folks, he could've still arrived at suicide being the only way out.

But I primarily believe he just decided he'd enjoyed his life and wasn't about to pay the repercussions for living it the way he did.

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40. "It's not THAT hard to believe a rich dude in that situation would want"
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To off himself


It's also not hard to believe that people in power wouldn't put too much effort into making sure that didn't happen/if not encouraged it

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34. "RE: Jeffrey Epstein dead by suicide."
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What do y'all liberal ass care?

  

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42. "not checked on for hours"
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1161042703980908544?s=21

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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44. "His cell mate was removed and a trainee was put on guard duty"
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I’m sure all the cameras malfunctioned around the time he killed himself.

shut up already, damn

  

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45. "democrats are so frustrating at times like these."
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its clear the guards/facility will be scapegoated and it will prolly work. all of the talk about overtime, poor staffing, etc is getting traction in the media. so some poor part time guard will be the patsy and his entire life ruined.

if this were a democratic attorney general under a democratic president...republicans would be on tv/social media 24/7 hammering home the point that this facility is under the jurisdiction of the bureau of prisons...which is housed within the department of justice (bill barr)...which is housed within the executive branch (donald trump). the entire story would be about complete incompetence at best (and complete corruption at worst) of the ag and president and the chaotic failings of just one of many organizations they are ruining.

seriously...what is it going to take for democrats to wake up and embrace 'just do what republicans do' as a means to gain/capitalize on a political advantage. its the only thing saving republicans from electoral irrelevance.

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46. "Shep Smith was on Fox News and said..."
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An attorney I know told me about a popular inmate that we all know. He is watched at all times, always on video.

How is Epstien left alone for this long given how high profile he was and the file that was unsealed 24 hours earlier?

Anyone who believes this was due to negligence is being willfully ignorant.

shut up already, damn

  

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47. "thank God both investigations into what happened"
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are taking place within the govt agency overseen by bill barr (fbi and doj ig). im sure we will get to the bottom of it in a transparent and trustworthy manner.

give it a lil while. the media will be blaming criminal justice reforms/regulations put in place under the obama administration.

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48. "And they don't even need to lie like repugs do."
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>seriously...what is it going to take for democrats to wake up
>and embrace 'just do what republicans do' as a means to
>gain/capitalize on a political advantage. its the only thing
>saving republicans from electoral irrelevance.

They just need to state the glaring facts. There is so much material out in the open for them to capitalize on and it seems like they're literally just not even fucking interested in any of it. It's so mind blowing.

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52. "repubs will take some little local news anecdote from podunk"
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and turn it into a national epidemic to brand the national dem party with for the next decade.

dems have no appetite to even state the obvious on national stories and damage the national repub party.

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49. "It's early. We can attack without shooting from the hip. "
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**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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50. "Early ?!"
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I mean, in this particular instance yea - it's been 3 days.

But what in the last 3 years gives you any confidence that dems will *ever* take advantage of the opportunity and go on the attack ? They've had multiple opportunities daily since Individual 1 took office and have done .......... nothing. Literally nothing.

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53. "too early to tell the truth? "
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in this binge/purge attention economy where people have to be reminded of shit that happened just last week...you have a small window of time to seed the narrative and tell people what to think while they still care. then every following development/spin reinforces the narrative through confirmation bias.

this is something repubs/fox news/conservative media have been intimately aware of for decades. theyve perfected it while democrats sit back and wait for all of the facts to come out 2 years later lol.

repubs concocted an entire deep state subplot from 2 text messages between lovers that discredited the whole mueller report. dems couldnt even get mileage out of the fact trumps campaign manager was giving private polling data to russian intelligence to help them target their disinformation campaign in the rust belt states that flipped red. literal collusion.

once again...'just do what republicans do'.

dems are forever 'keeping their powder dry' and 'not overplaying their hand'...and thats a big reason why we are where we are.

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54. "Scream it from the fucking rooftops."
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>in this binge/purge attention economy where people have to be
>reminded of shit that happened just last week...you have a
>small window of time to seed the narrative and tell people
>what to think while they still care. then every following
>development/spin reinforces the narrative through confirmation
>bias.
>
>this is something repubs/fox news/conservative media have been
>intimately aware of for decades. theyve perfected it while
>democrats sit back and wait for all of the facts to come out 2
>years later lol.
>
>repubs concocted an entire deep state subplot from 2 text
>messages between lovers that discredited the whole mueller
>report. dems couldnt even get mileage out of the fact trumps
>campaign manager was giving private polling data to russian
>intelligence to help them target their disinformation campaign
>in the rust belt states that flipped red. literal collusion.
>
>once again...'just do what republicans do'.
>
>dems are forever 'keeping their powder dry' and 'not
>overplaying their hand'...and thats a big reason why we are
>where we are.

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55. "Topical tweet:"
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https://twitter.com/jonathancohn/status/1161301897350963200?s=12

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56. "Buddy means well but it’s a prime example of Dem failure"
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We always want to wait and have all the facts and meanwhile the GOP has won the narrative and is moving on to other shit.

Trump tweeted it was the Clintons a day after it happened.

shut up already, damn

  

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59. "Nah, I just don't think #TrumpBodyCount versus #ClintonBodyCount"
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is the way to win.

it's petty tribal warfare where you may win some battles but you don't really win the war. You don't need to win the daily scrimishes, but you have to play the long game.

Having a Bold vision that inspires people matter. It's how Bill Clinton and Obama won. Not having that is how every Dem has ever lost the presidency.

  

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60. "Nah. It’s another clip in the chamber"
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It’s not either or.

You can inspire and also point out incompetence in real time.

This isn’t even about winning the presidency. It’s about winning the narrative. Doesn’t even have to be presidential candidates who do the dirty work.



shut up already, damn

  

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61. "Yea. When the corruption is this blatant and damaging and ongoing ..."
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... it's about consistently controlling the narrative in the media and repetitively pummeling the country over the head with just how bad things are and how they continue to get worse.

We literally had the head of immigration today say that the Statue of Liberty was about immigrants from Europe only. And the dems will, again, as fucking always, do absolutely nothing about it until they see polls. Nancy may send a mild tweet about it, maybe.

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51. "news broke on 4chan before officials announced it"
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That’s weird.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-review-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post

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57. "Doesn't seem weird to me"
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>That’s weird.
>
>https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-review-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post

I expect that the majority of people who work in prisons are the same right wing fascists who love 4chan.

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58. "just look at the proud boys and portland pd."
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62. "Two Guards fell asleep and falsified records to cover it up"
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https://twitter.com/asharangappa_/status/1161684100744433664?s=21

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63. "Sureeeeee *wink*"
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64. "patsy paper trail."
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repubs are great at blame shifting.

just look at how all the parkland blame (even among liberals) ultimately fell on the sheriff and that one officer and the nra skated away while the fl gov and repub legislature got right back to weakening gun laws and arming teachers.

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65. "I’m sure 2 guards were put to sleep"
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shut up already, damn

  

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67. "hyoid bone breaks more common with homicide "
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https://twitter.com/kendisgibson/status/1161849232636219392?s=21

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68. "Damn. They goin HAM in those tweets....."
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Dem ninjaz don't give a FUUUUCCCKKKKK!

I ain't mad tho but yeah, ..twitter has NO chill!





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69. "Nah, this ain’t a conspiracy. "
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Happens all the time in jail...

The old door knob hanging suicide.

shut up already, damn

  

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71. "why is everyone pretending this is a normal inmate?"
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nothing about this situation is normal. this dude had dirt on dozens of the most powerful men in the world. he should not be dead, period. he definitely should not have been "allowed" to commit "suicide."

  

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72. "TOKP"
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That’s all I can think of.

Like.. this dude was about to name names. How the fuck you half ass watching THIS GUY who was constantly in the news and linked to the current and past presidents? The document they unsealed had 3 or 4 Dems on it too. It was about to get real ugly.

shut up already, damn

  

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74. "people don't want to align with the always believe the conspiracy types"
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is my guess

so dug on on being rational and reasonable, that they're being unreasonable an irrational about this even seeming fishy

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78. "I think believing suicide is the conspiracy this time around. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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70. "Sometimes you gotta snatch a life. n/m"
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73. "medical examiner rules: suicide by hanging."
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1162458697064439813
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BREAKING: Medical examiner rules Jeffrey Epstein's death a suicide, says he hanged himself in his jail cell
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luminous
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75. "RE: medical examiner rules: suicide by hanging."
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same Medical Examiner for MLK, JFK and the OJ trial... Crazy!

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76. "Haha no way."
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>same Medical Examiner for MLK, JFK and the OJ trial... Crazy!
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luminous
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77. "Okay my bad"
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Baden was hired by Epstein's attorney and was only present during the autopsy...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-death-ruled-suicide-by-new-york-city-medical-examiner?ref=scroll

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