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"was Bobby Brown close to being considered an all time great?"


          

when you factor in his New Edition career and then his solo career
and his impact did you feel he was almost their? or did he do enough to being considered an all time great?

to Me their still ain't been a Song and Dance Cat that matched his vibe for that short window he had from the late 80's onward.

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RE: was Bobby Brown close to being considered an all time great?
Feb 06th 2015
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he is. when ur a r&b male that brothers aint afraid to claim, u made it
Feb 06th 2015
2
It's not that he was actually close, just that he was on the perfect pat...
Feb 06th 2015
3
ha.
Feb 06th 2015
41
only by the Brown family and ppl from his project bldg in Boston.
Feb 06th 2015
4
To me it's MJJ, Prince then Bobby B.
Feb 06th 2015
5
Oh, word?
Feb 06th 2015
40
To be fair, he didn't say he would be THEE greatest of all time...
Feb 07th 2015
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RE: To me it's MJJ, Prince then Bobby B.
Feb 06th 2015
45
No. I'd understand if you said he's one of the greatest of the 80s
Feb 06th 2015
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well, yes...at one point he WAS "tha kang of R&B"
Feb 06th 2015
7
sure. like Katy Perry is the Queen of Pop.
Feb 06th 2015
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White folks LOVED Bobby Brown
Feb 06th 2015
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i couldn't remember
Feb 06th 2015
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      IF IT'S UP. TO. US. WE. HAVE. TO. TAKE. CON. TROL.
Feb 06th 2015
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RE: well, yes...at one point he WAS "tha kang of R&B"
Feb 06th 2015
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bobby brown is not in the same galaxy as mj & prince
Feb 06th 2015
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they smoke good.
Feb 06th 2015
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RE: bobby brown is not in the same galaxy as mj & prince
Feb 06th 2015
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I didn't say he was close but he is next in line in my all time favorite...
Feb 06th 2015
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RE: I didn't say he was close but he is next in line in my all time favo...
Feb 06th 2015
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But he was up there with the top cats of his era
Feb 06th 2015
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nah, not really. but he had a helluva run...
Feb 06th 2015
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he had one hit solo album.
Feb 06th 2015
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      the run came in how he stretched it. BB had all eyes on him for a while
Feb 06th 2015
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           for a year. 1989.
Feb 06th 2015
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Bob fathered mad niggas styles, though
Feb 06th 2015
12
ehhh. i dunno...teddy riley? yes.
Feb 06th 2015
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yep, Bob had a million mf's rocking this in the 90's:
Feb 06th 2015
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If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make that
Feb 06th 2015
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Usher has had hits in multiple decades
Feb 06th 2015
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Usher has w/o a doubt had the better overall career of the two but his
Feb 06th 2015
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RE: If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make tha...
Feb 06th 2015
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RE: If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make tha...
Feb 06th 2015
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I feel like usher doesn't have his own lane so much.
Feb 06th 2015
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RE: I feel like usher doesn't have his own lane so much.
Feb 06th 2015
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I can't deny Confessions.
Feb 06th 2015
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are we not counting the D'Angelo and Eric Benet/Maxwell lanes
Feb 06th 2015
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      I was considering A D'angelo lane, but I can help but think
Feb 07th 2015
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Usher is not an all-time great. He's successful tho
Feb 06th 2015
47
HE SHOULD have been close
Feb 06th 2015
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When GBII was released there were a ton of people
Feb 06th 2015
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      i must've lived in an alternate universe.
Feb 06th 2015
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           NYC. Brooklyn to be more exact. n/m
Feb 06th 2015
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No but he did release one of the GOAT R&B albums with his 1st
Feb 06th 2015
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you really love King of Stage that much?
Feb 06th 2015
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      <fingerguns>
Feb 06th 2015
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Bottom Line: We all agree Bobby was great though
Feb 06th 2015
44
Yes in the late 80s people had him up there with MJ.
Feb 06th 2015
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Anyone NOT relying on white validation knows wassup.
Feb 06th 2015
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Yo know he was the man when he made that 227 Guest
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MotorcityRob
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1. "RE: was Bobby Brown close to being considered an all time great?"
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Yes. Who was bigger than him after he dropped Don't Be Cruel? He had r&b locked down plus crossover appeal.

  

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2. "he is. when ur a r&b male that brothers aint afraid to claim, u made it"
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3. "It's not that he was actually close, just that he was on the perfect pat..."
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41. "ha."
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4. "only by the Brown family and ppl from his project bldg in Boston."
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fuck you.

  

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5. "To me it's MJJ, Prince then Bobby B. "
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If dude was hit by a car and died after dropping the Ghostbuster soundtrack song dude would be remember as one of the all time greats.


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40. "Oh, word?"
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Bobby Brown was better than Sly Stone? Marvin Gaye? Ray Charles? Rick James? R.Kelly? D'Angelo? um, Stevie Wonder?

  

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49. "To be fair, he didn't say he would be THEE greatest of all time..."
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...just ONE of the all time greats. That's pretty much saying BB would've been in that list of classic artists you named.




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45. "RE: To me it's MJJ, Prince then Bobby B. "
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Lol.


>If dude was hit by a car and died after dropping the
>Ghostbuster soundtrack song dude would be remember as one of
>the all time greats.
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6. "No. I'd understand if you said he's one of the greatest of the 80s"
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He had a couple of cuts off of "King of Stage." Nothing that made anyone consider him the greatest ever.

Of course, "Don't Be Cruel" was huge. It helped set off the New Jack Swing era.

But no one was really checking for him after that, except for gossip about him & Whitney. "Bobby" had a couple of good songs on it but it sure didn't have a lot of impact.

  

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7. "well, yes...at one point he WAS "tha kang of R&B""
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that period was short, but it was there...and from his NE days up until right be4 "Humpin Around", dude had things on lock, with and always expanding fanbase.....i don't know how folks can argue that... i WILL say that i think all his appeal was probably more a black America thing, cause i'm not sure how he fared overseas, and i never saw anyone older and NOT black hyping him up....

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13. "sure. like Katy Perry is the Queen of Pop."
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fuck you.

  

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20. "White folks LOVED Bobby Brown"
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They were only on him for the "Don't Be Cruel" album (and the Ghostbusters joint) but they were big on that cat. He had several songs on top of the pop & R&B charts at the same time. He was an MTV darling.

  

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25. "i couldn't remember"
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...and i forgot what getting the nod to make a theme song for something as big as Ghostbusters 2 really meant then...

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35. "IF IT'S UP. TO. US. WE. HAVE. TO. TAKE. CON. TROL."
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34. "RE: well, yes...at one point he WAS "tha kang of R&B""
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and i never saw anyone older and NOT
>black hyping him up....

1. Ghostbusters II?

2. Bobby Brown apparently was originally cast as the the voice character "Powerline" in Disney's "A Goofy Movie" (which explains why the character looked so much like him), but he was fired during production (due to his drug issues) and replaced with Tevin Campbell.

That's all I got. Someone white had to sign off on the original hiring.

  

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8. "bobby brown is not in the same galaxy as mj & prince"
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are you people on drugs?

he was the boss of that era...nobody else from that period can say they were hotter or bigger then bobby brown but is he in the pantheon? no

lol @ comparing bobby brown to prince LOL


does it really matter?

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11. "they smoke good."
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fuck you.

  

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18. "RE: bobby brown is not in the same galaxy as mj &amp; prince"
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>are you people on drugs?
>
>he was the boss of that era...nobody else from that period can
>say they were hotter or bigger then bobby brown but is he in
>the pantheon? no
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>lol @ comparing bobby brown to prince LOL


Bobby was that dude...

But u have to understand that people who weren't there still don't understand how huge Prince was/is....

I remember there was a poster on the Lesson that actually said Bobby was better than Prince...He was like, "All Prince did was Purple Rain..." And he wasn't even trolling....

U can't really take such talk seriously...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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19. "I didn't say he was close but he is next in line in my all time favorite..."
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21. "RE: I didn't say he was close but he is next in line in my all time favo..."
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I get it, homie....

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31. "But he was up there with the top cats of his era"
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and arguably if he didn't "my perogative" his career he could have been.

I mean there were cats that were not MJ and Prince that were killing it too Bin.

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9. "nah, not really. but he had a helluva run..."
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10. "he had one hit solo album."
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and a disappointing follow-up.

NE peaked AFTER he went solo.

i wouldn't call that a serious run.

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14. "the run came in how he stretched it. BB had all eyes on him for a while"
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15. "for a year. 1989."
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yes.

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16. "ehhh. i dunno...teddy riley? yes. "
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bob...i dunno


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17. "yep, Bob had a million mf's rocking this in the 90's:"
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Plus he was basically the blueprint for these other cats like Usher, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, etc.

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22. "If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make that "
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claim abt B Brown that had he kept his focus and worked w/the right producers he would by now be considered an all-time great

I think ppl tend to forget how big a star he was at his peak

Many ppl had him pegged as "the next MJ" during that time although they were nothing alike...B Brown had his own lane.

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23. "Usher has had hits in multiple decades"
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Bobby's career started and ended in the 80's.

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26. "Usher has w/o a doubt had the better overall career of the two but his "
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success was *working with* good producers that have consistently given him good music over the years...nothing that Bobby Brown couldn't have done...

And.......Usher was more FOCUSED on having a successful career and doing the things to maintain that success

Bobby Brown got immediately sidetracked w/his ascension into stardom w/partying and drugs and just not making his career a priority...

I read that Whitney Houston had to literally beg Babyface to work w/him on his follow-up to don't be cruel because he had burned bridges w/his unprofessionalism...

I remember how noticeably heavy he looked on that self-titled album "Bobby"

Bobby Brown's career ended because right at the peak of his career he seemed to stop giving a f$ck...

Had he remained committed, a la Usher/Beyoncé type committed, then I think we would be talking abt him as an all-time great by now.




>Bobby's career started and ended in the 80's.

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24. "RE: If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make tha..."
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>claim abt B Brown that had he kept his focus and worked w/the
>right producers he would by now be considered an all-time
>great



I like Bobby...And I think Usher doesn't have an album that's better than Don't be Cruel from top to bottom....But longevity wise, Usher had a much more impressive run than Bobby....Usher survived two different eras. Personally I would take Bobby over Usher on an entertainment level...But judging their overall careers it's not even close...Usher wins that solo battle...


>I think ppl tend to forget how big a star he was at his peak

Nah..the people that know, know...Bobby had a good 4 year run....But let's not get crazy here....


>Many ppl had him pegged as "the next MJ" during that time
>although they were nothing alike...B Brown had his own lane.

There have been a lot of artists that have been pegged as the next (fill in the blank)...Bobby joins a very long list....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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29. "RE: If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make tha..."
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>>claim abt B Brown that had he kept his focus and worked
>w/the
>>right producers he would by now be considered an all-time
>>great
>
>
>
>I like Bobby...And I think Usher doesn't have an album that's
>better than Don't be Cruel from top to bottom....But longevity
>wise, Usher had a much more impressive run than Bobby....Usher
>survived two different eras. Personally I would take Bobby
>over Usher on an entertainment level...But judging their
>overall careers it's not even close...Usher wins that solo
>battle...
>
>
>>I think ppl tend to forget how big a star he was at his peak
>
>
>Nah..the people that know, know...Bobby had a good 4 year
>run....But let's not get crazy here....
>
>
>>Many ppl had him pegged as "the next MJ" during that time
>>although they were nothing alike...B Brown had his own lane.
>
>There have been a lot of artists that have been pegged as the
>next (fill in the blank)...Bobby joins a very long list....

During the late 80s early 90s, there was no one ppl seriously saying that abt...because there were very few highly successful solo R&B *performers* during that time span...

Maybe I'm missing someone...but Bobby Brown was believed to be the next in line sorta speak

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27. "I feel like usher doesn't have his own lane so much. "
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Him or Justin Timberlake, I feel like they just got into MJJ lane (Maybe even a little Bobby Brown) and ran with it.

I feel like Bobby B was definitely not in the lane of MJJ or Prince and carved his own thing which has become a lane in itself that others have followed.

I actually think there are only four lanes in Male R&B: MJJ (Usher and Timberlake), Prince (Miguel), Bobby Brown (Chris Brown, some Usher) and R Kelly (Trey Songs)


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28. "RE: I feel like usher doesn't have his own lane so much. "
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>Him or Justin Timberlake, I feel like they just got into MJJ
>lane (Maybe even a little Bobby Brown) and ran with it.


I think Usher went on to fall in MJ's lane, but only because of some of the Neptunes produced stuff....For the most part, I can't say that an album like Confessions is in MJ's lane....That album was a bit more open book, grown ass man cheating on his women, relationship shit to be like Mike...

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30. "I can't deny Confessions."
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33. "are we not counting the D'Angelo and Eric Benet/Maxwell lanes"
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as R&B? Are we sticking with "neo-soul" for them?

  

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50. "I was considering A D'angelo lane, but I can help but think"
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D kind of falls in the Prince lane musically (not presentation-wise). Not fully. Not completely, but kind of sort.

I can cobble together a playlist of P songs that sound like Neo-Soul collectively.


I wouldn't be made at someone disagreeing with me though.


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47. "Usher is not an all-time great. He's successful tho"
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32. "HE SHOULD have been close"
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Bobby Brown's real solo success didn't last long at all - 1988 to 1989/90 (depending upon your local radio station) and 1992-93.

The problem is he basically fell off the face of the earth after 1992, and by the time he resurfaced, he was better known as the abusive husband/drug addict to most people.

I remember one of my co-workers (this was back in 2009) had no idea who Bobby Brown _used_ to be. They knew Whitney, they knew Bobby was her husband, but just assumed he had been one of her backup dancers or something.

The shade is that "Ghostbusters II" was one of this person's favorite movies, and I don't understand how you can watch GBII repeatedly and NOT know who Bobby Brown is.

  

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36. "When GBII was released there were a ton of people"
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in the theatre just to see Bobby Brown in a movie. They hyped the mess out of cameo and the song. Dude was running things back then.

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39. "i must've lived in an alternate universe."
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i was a Black kid in a Black neighborhood who listened to Black radio and watched enough BET. and i don't remember that Bobby was even IN GBII - which i saw in a theater. of course i recall 'On Our Own' and i have the 12 inch at the crib today (bought it in 1989 b/c 'On Our Own' wasn't on DBC). but i don't recall this cameo. and i don't recall the buzz about GBII having much to do w/Bobby though i recall that video being played in regular rotation on MTV and BET.

i looked it up...now i remember! he was that doorman and i recall him asking for a pack for this brother, as Wikipedia said. yes. i remember this.

but ppl going to see the movie just for Bobby's cameo? where dey do dat at?

fuck you.

  

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42. "NYC. Brooklyn to be more exact. n/m"
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37. "No but he did release one of the GOAT R&B albums with his 1st"
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38. "you really love King of Stage that much?"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Stage

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43. "<fingerguns>"
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44. "Bottom Line: We all agree Bobby was great though"
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I like that he is being vindicated decades later

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46. "Yes in the late 80s people had him up there with MJ."
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I think Hammer might have actually taken Bobby's #2 spot as top entertainer in the early 90s.

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48. "Anyone NOT relying on white validation knows wassup."
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Bobby had Black music wrapped around his finger when "My Prerogative" dropped.
Had EVERYBODY using a word they didn't even know the meaning of previously.
R-tistic is right in that he was on his way, but he did fade a little too soon.
Certain Bobby songs tho you will ALWAYS be able to throw on at the bbq and have folks
swayin talkin about that's they jam.

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51. "Yo know he was the man when he made that 227 Guest"
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Appearance!!!


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