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12720153, was Bobby Brown close to being considered an all time great?
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Fri Feb-06-15 03:30 AM
when you factor in his New Edition career and then his solo career
and his impact did you feel he was almost their? or did he do enough to being considered an all time great?

to Me their still ain't been a Song and Dance Cat that matched his vibe for that short window he had from the late 80's onward.

12720167, RE: was Bobby Brown close to being considered an all time great?
Posted by MotorcityRob, Fri Feb-06-15 06:27 AM
Yes. Who was bigger than him after he dropped Don't Be Cruel? He had r&b locked down plus crossover appeal.
12720169, he is. when ur a r&b male that brothers aint afraid to claim, u made it
Posted by thegodcam, Fri Feb-06-15 06:51 AM
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12720173, It's not that he was actually close, just that he was on the perfect path
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Feb-06-15 07:10 AM
to becoming a major legend. And almost overnight, the music gods said "or nah."
12721032, ha.
Posted by shockzilla, Fri Feb-06-15 05:06 PM
12720175, only by the Brown family and ppl from his project bldg in Boston.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Feb-06-15 07:20 AM
12720197, To me it's MJJ, Prince then Bobby B.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Feb-06-15 08:24 AM
If dude was hit by a car and died after dropping the Ghostbuster soundtrack song dude would be remember as one of the all time greats.


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12721031, Oh, word?
Posted by shockzilla, Fri Feb-06-15 05:05 PM
Bobby Brown was better than Sly Stone? Marvin Gaye? Ray Charles? Rick James? R.Kelly? D'Angelo? um, Stevie Wonder?
12721251, To be fair, he didn't say he would be THEE greatest of all time...
Posted by The Wordsmith, Sat Feb-07-15 03:10 AM
...just ONE of the all time greats. That's pretty much saying BB would've been in that list of classic artists you named.




Since 1976
12721050, RE: To me it's MJJ, Prince then Bobby B.
Posted by Pete Burns, Fri Feb-06-15 05:36 PM
Lol.


>If dude was hit by a car and died after dropping the
>Ghostbuster soundtrack song dude would be remember as one of
>the all time greats.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12720203, No. I'd understand if you said he's one of the greatest of the 80s
Posted by Marbles, Fri Feb-06-15 08:42 AM

He had a couple of cuts off of "King of Stage." Nothing that made anyone consider him the greatest ever.

Of course, "Don't Be Cruel" was huge. It helped set off the New Jack Swing era.

But no one was really checking for him after that, except for gossip about him & Whitney. "Bobby" had a couple of good songs on it but it sure didn't have a lot of impact.
12720214, well, yes...at one point he WAS "tha kang of R&B"
Posted by Calico, Fri Feb-06-15 08:59 AM
that period was short, but it was there...and from his NE days up until right be4 "Humpin Around", dude had things on lock, with and always expanding fanbase.....i don't know how folks can argue that... i WILL say that i think all his appeal was probably more a black America thing, cause i'm not sure how he fared overseas, and i never saw anyone older and NOT black hyping him up....
12720243, sure. like Katy Perry is the Queen of Pop.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Feb-06-15 09:18 AM
12720292, White folks LOVED Bobby Brown
Posted by Marbles, Fri Feb-06-15 09:57 AM

They were only on him for the "Don't Be Cruel" album (and the Ghostbusters joint) but they were big on that cat. He had several songs on top of the pop & R&B charts at the same time. He was an MTV darling.
12720430, i couldn't remember
Posted by Calico, Fri Feb-06-15 11:35 AM
...and i forgot what getting the nod to make a theme song for something as big as Ghostbusters 2 really meant then...
12720681, IF IT'S UP. TO. US. WE. HAVE. TO. TAKE. CON. TROL.
Posted by b.Touch, Fri Feb-06-15 02:01 PM
12720675, RE: well, yes...at one point he WAS "tha kang of R&B"
Posted by b.Touch, Fri Feb-06-15 02:00 PM
and i never saw anyone older and NOT
>black hyping him up....

1. Ghostbusters II?

2. Bobby Brown apparently was originally cast as the the voice character "Powerline" in Disney's "A Goofy Movie" (which explains why the character looked so much like him), but he was fired during production (due to his drug issues) and replaced with Tevin Campbell.

That's all I got. Someone white had to sign off on the original hiring.
12720221, bobby brown is not in the same galaxy as mj & prince
Posted by Binlahab, Fri Feb-06-15 09:10 AM
are you people on drugs?

he was the boss of that era...nobody else from that period can say they were hotter or bigger then bobby brown but is he in the pantheon? no

lol @ comparing bobby brown to prince LOL


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg
12720234, they smoke good.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Feb-06-15 09:14 AM
12720287, RE: bobby brown is not in the same galaxy as mj & prince
Posted by murph71, Fri Feb-06-15 09:54 AM
>are you people on drugs?
>
>he was the boss of that era...nobody else from that period can
>say they were hotter or bigger then bobby brown but is he in
>the pantheon? no
>
>lol @ comparing bobby brown to prince LOL


Bobby was that dude...

But u have to understand that people who weren't there still don't understand how huge Prince was/is....

I remember there was a poster on the Lesson that actually said Bobby was better than Prince...He was like, "All Prince did was Purple Rain..." And he wasn't even trolling....

U can't really take such talk seriously...
12720289, I didn't say he was close but he is next in line in my all time favorites.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Feb-06-15 09:57 AM

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12720316, RE: I didn't say he was close but he is next in line in my all time favorites.
Posted by murph71, Fri Feb-06-15 10:12 AM

I get it, homie....
12720651, But he was up there with the top cats of his era
Posted by ThaAnthology, Fri Feb-06-15 01:48 PM
and arguably if he didn't "my perogative" his career he could have been.

I mean there were cats that were not MJ and Prince that were killing it too Bin.
12720229, nah, not really. but he had a helluva run...
Posted by BigJazz, Fri Feb-06-15 09:12 AM
12720233, he had one hit solo album.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Feb-06-15 09:14 AM
and a disappointing follow-up.

NE peaked AFTER he went solo.

i wouldn't call that a serious run.
12720247, the run came in how he stretched it. BB had all eyes on him for a while
Posted by BigJazz, Fri Feb-06-15 09:21 AM
***
I'm tryna be better off, not better than...
12720259, for a year. 1989.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Feb-06-15 09:28 AM
yes.
12720237, Bob fathered mad niggas styles, though
Posted by MistaGoodBar, Fri Feb-06-15 09:15 AM
12720261, ehhh. i dunno...teddy riley? yes.
Posted by Binlahab, Fri Feb-06-15 09:29 AM
bob...i dunno


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg
12720276, yep, Bob had a million mf's rocking this in the 90's:
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine, Fri Feb-06-15 09:46 AM
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3540/5763053714_c888ce317d.jpg

Plus he was basically the blueprint for these other cats like Usher, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, etc.
12720380, If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make that
Posted by vee-lover, Fri Feb-06-15 11:05 AM
claim abt B Brown that had he kept his focus and worked w/the right producers he would by now be considered an all-time great

I think ppl tend to forget how big a star he was at his peak

Many ppl had him pegged as "the next MJ" during that time although they were nothing alike...B Brown had his own lane.
12720400, Usher has had hits in multiple decades
Posted by RobOne4, Fri Feb-06-15 11:19 AM
Bobby's career started and ended in the 80's.
12720478, Usher has w/o a doubt had the better overall career of the two but his
Posted by vee-lover, Fri Feb-06-15 11:53 AM
success was *working with* good producers that have consistently given him good music over the years...nothing that Bobby Brown couldn't have done...

And.......Usher was more FOCUSED on having a successful career and doing the things to maintain that success

Bobby Brown got immediately sidetracked w/his ascension into stardom w/partying and drugs and just not making his career a priority...

I read that Whitney Houston had to literally beg Babyface to work w/him on his follow-up to don't be cruel because he had burned bridges w/his unprofessionalism...

I remember how noticeably heavy he looked on that self-titled album "Bobby"

Bobby Brown's career ended because right at the peak of his career he seemed to stop giving a f$ck...

Had he remained committed, a la Usher/Beyoncé type committed, then I think we would be talking abt him as an all-time great by now.




>Bobby's career started and ended in the 80's.
12720406, RE: If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make that
Posted by murph71, Fri Feb-06-15 11:21 AM
>claim abt B Brown that had he kept his focus and worked w/the
>right producers he would by now be considered an all-time
>great



I like Bobby...And I think Usher doesn't have an album that's better than Don't be Cruel from top to bottom....But longevity wise, Usher had a much more impressive run than Bobby....Usher survived two different eras. Personally I would take Bobby over Usher on an entertainment level...But judging their overall careers it's not even close...Usher wins that solo battle...


>I think ppl tend to forget how big a star he was at his peak

Nah..the people that know, know...Bobby had a good 4 year run....But let's not get crazy here....


>Many ppl had him pegged as "the next MJ" during that time
>although they were nothing alike...B Brown had his own lane.

There have been a lot of artists that have been pegged as the next (fill in the blank)...Bobby joins a very long list....
12720520, RE: If Usher is regarded as an all-time great then yeah I could make that
Posted by vee-lover, Fri Feb-06-15 12:08 PM
>>claim abt B Brown that had he kept his focus and worked
>w/the
>>right producers he would by now be considered an all-time
>>great
>
>
>
>I like Bobby...And I think Usher doesn't have an album that's
>better than Don't be Cruel from top to bottom....But longevity
>wise, Usher had a much more impressive run than Bobby....Usher
>survived two different eras. Personally I would take Bobby
>over Usher on an entertainment level...But judging their
>overall careers it's not even close...Usher wins that solo
>battle...
>
>
>>I think ppl tend to forget how big a star he was at his peak
>
>
>Nah..the people that know, know...Bobby had a good 4 year
>run....But let's not get crazy here....
>
>
>>Many ppl had him pegged as "the next MJ" during that time
>>although they were nothing alike...B Brown had his own lane.
>
>There have been a lot of artists that have been pegged as the
>next (fill in the blank)...Bobby joins a very long list....

During the late 80s early 90s, there was no one ppl seriously saying that abt...because there were very few highly successful solo R&B *performers* during that time span...

Maybe I'm missing someone...but Bobby Brown was believed to be the next in line sorta speak
12720497, I feel like usher doesn't have his own lane so much.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Feb-06-15 11:58 AM
Him or Justin Timberlake, I feel like they just got into MJJ lane (Maybe even a little Bobby Brown) and ran with it.

I feel like Bobby B was definitely not in the lane of MJJ or Prince and carved his own thing which has become a lane in itself that others have followed.

I actually think there are only four lanes in Male R&B: MJJ (Usher and Timberlake), Prince (Miguel), Bobby Brown (Chris Brown, some Usher) and R Kelly (Trey Songs)


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12720516, RE: I feel like usher doesn't have his own lane so much.
Posted by murph71, Fri Feb-06-15 12:05 PM
>Him or Justin Timberlake, I feel like they just got into MJJ
>lane (Maybe even a little Bobby Brown) and ran with it.


I think Usher went on to fall in MJ's lane, but only because of some of the Neptunes produced stuff....For the most part, I can't say that an album like Confessions is in MJ's lane....That album was a bit more open book, grown ass man cheating on his women, relationship shit to be like Mike...
12720524, I can't deny Confessions.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Feb-06-15 12:09 PM

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12720659, are we not counting the D'Angelo and Eric Benet/Maxwell lanes
Posted by b.Touch, Fri Feb-06-15 01:51 PM
as R&B? Are we sticking with "neo-soul" for them?
12721363, I was considering A D'angelo lane, but I can help but think
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sat Feb-07-15 06:07 PM
D kind of falls in the Prince lane musically (not presentation-wise). Not fully. Not completely, but kind of sort.

I can cobble together a playlist of P songs that sound like Neo-Soul collectively.


I wouldn't be made at someone disagreeing with me though.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're ri
12721175, Usher is not an all-time great. He's successful tho
Posted by 81 DUN, Fri Feb-06-15 09:28 PM
12720657, HE SHOULD have been close
Posted by b.Touch, Fri Feb-06-15 01:50 PM
Bobby Brown's real solo success didn't last long at all - 1988 to 1989/90 (depending upon your local radio station) and 1992-93.

The problem is he basically fell off the face of the earth after 1992, and by the time he resurfaced, he was better known as the abusive husband/drug addict to most people.

I remember one of my co-workers (this was back in 2009) had no idea who Bobby Brown _used_ to be. They knew Whitney, they knew Bobby was her husband, but just assumed he had been one of her backup dancers or something.

The shade is that "Ghostbusters II" was one of this person's favorite movies, and I don't understand how you can watch GBII repeatedly and NOT know who Bobby Brown is.
12720979, When GBII was released there were a ton of people
Posted by Cornbread, Fri Feb-06-15 04:39 PM
in the theatre just to see Bobby Brown in a movie. They hyped the mess out of cameo and the song. Dude was running things back then.
12721018, i must've lived in an alternate universe.
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Feb-06-15 04:56 PM
i was a Black kid in a Black neighborhood who listened to Black radio and watched enough BET. and i don't remember that Bobby was even IN GBII - which i saw in a theater. of course i recall 'On Our Own' and i have the 12 inch at the crib today (bought it in 1989 b/c 'On Our Own' wasn't on DBC). but i don't recall this cameo. and i don't recall the buzz about GBII having much to do w/Bobby though i recall that video being played in regular rotation on MTV and BET.

i looked it up...now i remember! he was that doorman and i recall him asking for a pack for this brother, as Wikipedia said. yes. i remember this.

but ppl going to see the movie just for Bobby's cameo? where dey do dat at?
12721046, NYC. Brooklyn to be more exact. n/m
Posted by Cornbread, Fri Feb-06-15 05:24 PM
12721002, No but he did release one of the GOAT R&B albums with his 1st
Posted by Lach, Fri Feb-06-15 04:51 PM
12721007, you really love King of Stage that much?
Posted by SoWhat, Fri Feb-06-15 04:52 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Stage
12721047,
Posted by shockzilla, Fri Feb-06-15 05:27 PM
12721048, Bottom Line: We all agree Bobby was great though
Posted by woe.is.me., Fri Feb-06-15 05:34 PM
I like that he is being vindicated decades later
12721135, Yes in the late 80s people had him up there with MJ.
Posted by Triptych, Fri Feb-06-15 08:21 PM
I think Hammer might have actually taken Bobby's #2 spot as top entertainer in the early 90s.
12721217, Anyone NOT relying on white validation knows wassup.
Posted by Boogie Stimuli, Fri Feb-06-15 11:30 PM
Bobby had Black music wrapped around his finger when "My Prerogative" dropped.
Had EVERYBODY using a word they didn't even know the meaning of previously.
R-tistic is right in that he was on his way, but he did fade a little too soon.
Certain Bobby songs tho you will ALWAYS be able to throw on at the bbq and have folks
swayin talkin about that's they jam.
12721369, Yo know he was the man when he made that 227 Guest
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sat Feb-07-15 07:00 PM
Appearance!!!


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're ri