My roommate predicts that the so called 'real world' is actually just another part of The Matrix. (A fail-safe). He figured this because of what Neo did at the end of Reloaded when he destroyed those Sentinels.

What are your predictions?

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I also had the same feeling about the real world matrix shit but...idunno

and i think agent smith will be the good guy afterall

1)
i predict they will follow the "magic neo" theory that i am completely against. namely, the 'real world' is in fact real and much older than they know, and newo, since he comes from the machine world has power over them in the same way agent smith can have power over real world people (possesion of bane).

2)
everything will be explained, ad nausium. al of the phylosophical bable that people complained about wqil be explained and applied in the final installment

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neo will make the same phone cal he made at the end of the first movie. meaming that they events of reloaded and revolutions occur before this. reason: the timestamp on the phone call at the end of the matrix is more than a year after the first phone cal that cypher and trinity make. it can be assumed that the events that take place in the first movie happen witihin a few weeks.

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I'm not buying it. That would be lame.

I predict that the humans and machines attempt to live in harmony again.

As far as the philosophy stuff, I don't think it will attempt to answer those questions. That woulda efeat the purpose of presenting them. The Wachowskis aren't as preachy as they are made out to be. They asked question, they never tried to give us an answer.

My last prediction is that it will make a lot of money.

>I'm not buying it. That would be lame.
>
>I predict that the humans and machines attempt to live in
>harmony again.

i dont see that. but i guess its a possibility. if you watch the animatrix you can see that some of the rebels are converting the machines to help them.

will it have for you. But that won't keep it from having its sights on your ASS, for a hard, non-janey-ass-wizard-style ass reaming.

As far as the question of the "real" world, to me it looks like Keanu is psychically conected to the matrix, and he's exploding machines in the actual real world by overdriving them in the matrix with his mind.

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That the "real world" is already, to a degree, a controlled enviroment. They knew some people wouldn't except the program, so they had to create a kind've "daycare" for them...give THEM something to do, like think they're saving the world.

The machines/programs knew all along what was happening.

With that said, I think at the very end of "Revolutions", Neo will wake-up in his attic apartment on the upper-west side, and say, "Wow, what a WEIRD dream!" HA!!!!!!!!!

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>That the "real world" is already, to a degree, a controlled
>enviroment. They knew some people wouldn't except the
>program, so they had to create a kind've "daycare" for
>them...give THEM something to do, like think they're saving
>the world.
>
>The machines/programs knew all along what was happening.
>
>With that said, I think at the very end of "Revolutions",
>Neo will wake-up in his attic apartment on the upper-west
>side, and say, "Wow, what a WEIRD dream!" HA!!!!!!!!!

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yea right. there's no way that after all this build up and all the money they spent on these three flicks that they are gonna use that cop out.

wouldn't work in the movies...but it was dope for a game

i'll be disappointed if that's the case.

my hope was that quasi-in-line with Simulcra & Simulation (i haven't read the whole thing) that there's a convergence of "hyperreality" (or simulated reality) with real reality.

either that, or that Neo entering Agent Smith at the end of the Matrix fundamentally altered things with those two characters.

an interesting article:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0581.html

i've been reading that page for like 3 hours STRAIGHT. it's actually making me wanna go watch Reloaded again (once @ the cinema was enuff for me). dude raises some very VERY well thought-out points. but for all his ramblings, all that philosophy and depth just doesn't come across on film the way the first Matrix did. it just seems more contrived. now that i KNOW there's such a complex film hidden beneath Reloaded, it just makes me even MORE mad that the cinematic results were dodgy at best.

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I predict it will be disappointing, but will see it anyway with a weak sense of hope... much like I see Star Wars films these days.

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damn!!! they got my money again.

my thoughts exactly.

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I've noticed that there are people who are riveted by the underpinnings of Reloaded and love to discuss the symbolic meanings of certain things in the movie. I am one of them. I loved reading that kurzweilai.net article and I will take the time to pass it around to others who enjoy exploring the movie.

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and i think neo will die.

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yea

cuz im pumped. 6 days.

morpheus is actually a despotic warmonger and the first 2 movies neo has been fighting his battle.

but in the end morpheus' intentions will prove to be just as evil as smith and whoever they're fighting against

behind all of the ass kicking and convoluted plotlines there seems to be a story about power and control.

it makes you side with the machines....

in the neo gensis (somthing like that)...you side witht he machines.

we started the war, but they finished it. the matrix is the only way we can survive since the planet is uninhabitable (do to nuclear strikes and the blanketing of the sun by us)

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>we started the war, but they finished it. the matrix is the
>only way we can survive since the planet is uninhabitable
>(do to nuclear strikes and the blanketing of the sun by us)

yea but did you see the matrix revolutions trailer? there's a clip of a ship flying in the real world...but you can see the moon in the sky.

i dont think that whatever they did to "scorch" the sky was permanent. eventually it has to wear off.

i'm just bullshittin. i have no predictions because it could go in any direction

where neo ends up being the creator of the matrix who has programmed himself into the matrix as 'the one' to either make up for his guilt for bringing the terror of the machines or to keep the system i check. that's why he's already made all his decisions but can't understand them. and agent smith is actually the one and is supposed to take him out. just playing. no idea.

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Look how the shot is framed when Neo turns round to face the camera and the approaching sentinels. Trinity is standing behind him, but she's passed through some twisted metal scenery, which is a square shape. Like a TV. ie. Neo's in a higher reality than her.

Plus it kept zooming through a TV screen into the architect's room.

So this lends itself to the matrix-within-a-matrix idea. Which yes, would be lame. But like Manhoodlum said, didn't the architect SAY that the "real world" is stil controlled - because that's where the 1% who reject the matrix go. And obviously the Zions don't know that this is the case.

Maybe it has some grounding in Descartes philosophy. Infinite regress or something.

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I'm guessing, based on the ominous tag line on the posters, and this from Keanu:

"...Acceptance. 'Everything that has a beginning has an end.' Sad, but ultimately beautiful. For Neo."

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Half of you guys' ideas would have been better than the actual ending.

he was high...
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I truly hope that the storyline is closer to the original...
MOST IMPORTANTLY! I am going to need for Trinity not to turn into some peace lovin wifey like she began to shift towards in Reloaded...I mean what the hell was all of that about tryin to convice Neo not to go into battle?!?! SO LAME! What is she gonna do in the next one, pull out a dashiki and some love beads and paint a peace sign on her cheek? I mean she was a soulja in the first one, willin to die for the cause, a true revolutionary...in the 2nd one they made her in the words of Gwen Stefani "just a girl" who happens to wear latex and fights a lil bit...I almost walked out of the theatre when she pulled that shit! UGH!

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pretty much confirming that they should've just let the first movie stand on its own. The plot will be hyper-expository, there'll be huge letdowns in all the gnostic-religious/Philip K Dick angles, and the action will get pretty fucking boring after the first forty minutes.

It'll pull an Episode 2: be so mindnumbingly boring that people will have to admit the previous one sucked and that they're just out to ruin the original's good name.

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I just got that see-the-future eye. This post was asking for expectations/predictions right?

>I just got that see-the-future eye. This post was asking
>for expectations/predictions right?

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Variety's review wasn't good.

Entertainment Weekly gave it a C+.

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At the risk of understatement, The Matrix Revolutions sucks. It's not that the final chapter in the trilogy doesn't have stunts and visual wizardry to drop your jaw. It's just that it all adds up to a supersize nothing: "the big bubkis," to lift a bit of Yiddish from the script by Andy and Larry Wachowski.

You don't have to be an Oracle to know Revolutions will make a pile, as did the bloated Reloaded, the first sequel, released in May. Who doesn't want to see what happens to Neo (Keanu Reeves), the One chosen to liberate men from machines? To all but fanatics, though, the disappointment is crushing. Cliched, repetitive, recycled from other movies and high on its own grandiosity, Revolutions picks up with Neo as he's caught between the real world and the Matrix. It's up to Trinity (Carrie-Anne Moss), who shares Neo's thing for kinky latex, to rescue him. To do so, she and Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) scorpion-kick the Merovingian (Lambert Wilson), the French Little Nicky. Then Neo is off to see the Oracle (the wonderful Mary Alice, replacing the late Gloria Foster).

Back in Zion, the humans climb into mechanical contraptions, like the one Sigourney Weaver used in Aliens, to face the attack of the clones (I mean, sentinels). It's a fourteen-minute scene and the highlight of the movie. But would you believe this? Neo sits it out. That's right, he and Trinity fly to Machine City to talk to the big giant head about a truce. Only Morpheus and Niobe (Jada Pinkett Smith), his ex-lover, are more out of it. They're piloting a tin-can hovercraft through a sewer line, shaking their bodies to mimic a bumpy ride in a scene that would shame Ed Wood.

Everything leads up to the Super Burly Brawl in the rain between Neo and Agent Smith (Hugo Weaving), who has replicated himself enough to populate a small city. I stand firm in my admiration for Weaving. Just to hear him say "Mrs. Anderssssson" is a creepy thrill. But I think I've seen one Smith too many. Even a classic shot of Neo's fist connecting to Smith's face feels like an echo. Poor Keanu. As tragedies pile up -- one is straight out of The English Patient -- Neo sobs with body-wracking emotion. To put it kindly, this is not playing to Reeves' strengths.

As for the big-payoff ending -- the equivalent of a Viking funeral -- it reduces the Wachowskis' take on the Judeo-Christian ethic to Hollywood gloss. Cueing the music, the sunshine and the hint of another sequel can't distract us from the fact that nothing is revealed. Neo, dude, you blew it.

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i knew this movie would suck, and it looks like it does. I wanna see how matrix diehards protect this one like they did Reloaded.

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well, he said he was the prop supervisor, so this may or may not be true..

apparently all the black folks die, and the mother sentanel kills everyone except Neo and Trinity, who have to restart the humna race like adam and eve...

*gone*

then you're trash for putting that on here. Warn people for spoilers. Hopefully, it's not true.

lied to you?

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from eonline:
"Okay, but what if the "real world" is actually another matrix? A matrix within a matrix? Huh, what about that? Isn't that a little too obvious? They'd never do that, right? Right."

according to several reviews, what everyone thinks isn't going to happen, so rest assure. hopefully we'll be surprised.
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i didnt expect much, but after the trailer it looked better.

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I saw this today at a matinae, I really enjoyed it. The film ended the way I had a feeling it would. Not much was explained at the end, I believe the Wachowski brothers did this on purpose; they most likely wanted the viewer to draw their own conclusions from watching the film. Much like with religion, all the answers are not known, you must derive your own interpretations from the information which is given and known.


I think this film, much like Reloaded will polarize viewers. Some will love, like, or hate it. The ones who will hate it are the ones who go into the film expecting all the answers to be revealed on a shiny platter. I here to tell that not everything is explained, but what is giving should be sufficient enough for you to connect dots and draw your own conclusions.

To me the Matrix trilogy ultimatly boils down to four things, choice, purpose, love, faith/belief, and sacrifice.

That is all from me.

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I think the cemented to much shit, even that got damn
"architect/oracle converstation" can't make up for the bullshit
they pulled in this movie.

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I got what I wanted from these films, a great time.

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I deluded just because I got the ideas of the film? Man kiss my ass and get a life, learn how to use your brain.

And with that I am done with this thread. I will not post in a thread where I will be verbally harrassed for having "My own opinions". I'm sorry ya'll folks didn't enjoy the film, but I did; end of story. Have fun bashing

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>To me the Matrix trilogy ultimatly boils down to four
>things, choice, purpose, love, faith/belief, and sacrifice.

on its own and i like it more than Revolutions. i didn't expect to have everything explained, but i think they just dropped the ball and left us with an unltimately unsatisfying movie. at the very least, i read theories about Revolutions right after the release of Reloaded that i thought were more interesting than what i actually saw.

Thanks, I see someone respects those that express their "own" opinions.

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"four things, choice, purpose, love, faith/belief, and sacrifice"

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Judging by the end I think the Wachoski brothers are hoping for another series of sequels perhaps once the Trilogy hype has died down. One thing I could not understand though with Matrix Reloaded .... The architect's conversation with Neo was too deep and too mathematical for many, including myself, to comprehend. Perhaps that was done on perpose. The Matrix draws parallels with the Bible. The One = Jesus Crist, Zion = Canan, The Nebuchanazer = Noah's Arch, The Matrix = Earth, Agent Smith = Lucifer, Morpheus = Prophet and there are many more examples. This movie is going to keep a lot of people talking long after it's graced our movie theatres.

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what animals and when did it rain?

Lucifer? What about the Merovingian as a "devil?" Or The Architect?

In the first two Matrix the Nebuchanazer symbolised (in a Biblical sense) the vessel of hope and new beginnings just like the Ark. Noah started a whole new population. Lucifer was banished from heaven and wreaked havock on earth - like Agent Smith did in the Matrix. This is just my own interpretation of the movie.

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>In the first two Matrix the Nebuchanazer symbolised (in a
>Biblical sense) the vessel of hope and new beginnings just
>like the Ark. Noah started a whole new population. Lucifer
>was banished from heaven and wreaked havock on earth - like
>Agent Smith did in the Matrix. This is just my own
>interpretation of the movie.
I see this also.

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I LOVED it and here's why....

SPOILERS BELOW (in other words stop reading here)



1) Life goes on after the battle of good and evil, the wheels keep turning and Neo does transmute the Matrix by the power of his intention into pure intelligence. Anyone notice that Neo could still see even after he was supposedly dead? The oracle even inferred that Neo was not gone forever...he lived his purpose for that time and the war came to an end...for a moment. Peace is not permanent in real life, so it's fair to think there will be other wars.

I liken Neo to a spiritual warrior that slowly comes to realize his potential and go beyond it. True warriors are at peace even in the midst of events and it took losing his sight and Trinity to be able to look inward and discover what to do.

In this story there is an end but the battle between good and evil continues in other stories/lives.

2) Choice. At the end, when Neo was laid out, still trying to fight, Smith got frustrated and asked him why he would not just give up...why did he keep fighting? Neo answered, "Because I choose to." Such is real life. The Matrix existed to control people and destroy anyone who broke out. This is what the system could not predict. Choice was the human flaw and it had no way of controlling it.

Even as Smith proliferated he was only as strong as one. Smith thought by becoming a mass of clones he could take over the Matrix. He (mass), too, could not control the mind and spirit of Neo who was the leader of many but only in control of his own self.

I also liked how Neo chose to save both Zion and the Matrix. This compassion and reverence for all of life is what allowed him to save the world...indeed the Oracle said that if Neo did not succeed then the whole world was doomed.

3) I liked the action and all the eye candy and I give John Gaeta his props.

4) Neo=individual (empowered spiritual warrior), Matrix=system, Neo/Smith=duality, Neo/Trinity=love...all these and more spiritual principles were explored in the trilogy. This let me know that it was all connected and symbiotic, just like anyone attempting to forge a path for themselves in the world.

Finally, the ending picked up my spirits and it was inspiring to me. I'll see it again...and again!

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>This let me know that it was all connected and
>symbiotic, just like anyone attempting to forge a path for
>themselves in the world.

Also, in order for there to be peace someone must find true love, compassion and reverence...doing as little to harm anyone or anything in the process.

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I agree, co-sign, watch and take what you want for the conclusion. It's a war movie, behind everything else. Everything else is extra to me, and I liked it.

"This ship's got a fat ass" (Niobe).
"Slow down dammit, this ain't the Logos"

"Appreciate live music"

...since I am still processing and I am on a roll...

I think the whole movie is another way of exploring post-modern life and spirituality, under the high-tech is a network that forms an endless chain of cause and effect, action and reaction.

The fact that Neo cannot remember his purpose at first or the past does not wipe his karmic memory. All along it was his choice and as he became more aware of himself as an individual he became more empowered to overcome adversity and fulfill that purpose. In the movie, he struggled but at the end blindness couldn't even hold him down.

"Let go of this everywhere and this something, in
exchange for this nowhere and this nothing. Do not worry
if your senses cannot understand this nothing
for this is why I love it the better...Who is it that calls
it nothing? Surely it is our outer man and not our inner
man. Out inner man calls it ALL." - from "The Cloud of Unknowing"

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I loved that little bit of dialogue between Niobe and Morpheous

Morpheous: You never belived in "The One"
Niobe: I still don't, I believe in him (Neo)

eventhough she didn't believe in the prophecy she still had hope/faith in Neo the man

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>eventhough she didn't believe in the prophecy she still had
>hope/faith in Neo the man

That's because she saw his actions first hand, not what others thought he was about. She followed him because she knew him and knew what he was about.

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>>eventhough she didn't believe in the prophecy she still had
>>hope/faith in Neo the man
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>That's because she saw his actions first hand, not what
>others thought he was about. She followed him because she
>knew him and knew what he was about.
Yup tis is true. I liked that ultimatly the people Zion had to stand up and fight for their beliefs. Neo didn't do everything on his own.

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>I LOVED it and here's why....
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>SPOILERS BELOW (in other words stop reading here)
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>1) Life goes on after the battle of good and evil, the
>wheels keep turning and Neo does transmute the Matrix by the
>power of his intention into pure intelligence. Anyone
>notice that Neo could still see even after he was supposedly
>dead?
Yeah I believe this was due to the red candy (Garden of Eden's apple) that the Oracle gave him in Reloaded.


The oracle even inferred that Neo was not gone
>forever...he lived his purpose for that time and the war
>came to an end...for a moment. Peace is not permanent in
>real life, so it's fair to think there will be other wars.
Ressurection of Jesus maybe?

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