that includes you kids idol andre 3k....cee-lo has done it all...he killed the group thing..he killed the solo artist thing..and he killed the collaborative effort thing with danger mouse...not to mention all the features he's smashed...yet he get's very little credit....how can it be argued that he's not the best out of the dungeon family?

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

And I love cee lo but he drop da ball wit both his solos da 2nd was better but folks stop checkin for her.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

both of his solo's are better than dre's love below...and the soul machine was damn near flawless...i had no idea people DIDN'T like the soul machine...

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

imperfect imperfections was just a DOPE rap album, and soul machine is diverse, fun, thoughtful, and skillful in the singing AND the rapping.

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>imperfect imperfections was just a DOPE rap album, and soul
>machine is diverse, fun, thoughtful, and skillful in the
>singing AND the rapping.

I think you confusin the two albums...imperfections came out first and was the weirder shit nad soul machine was the more normal one where he brought it home....imprefect was not dope it was too out there it was his electric circus.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

>soul machine was the more
>normal one where he brought it home....imprefect was not dope
>it was too out there it was his electric circus.



First off, the thing that made Electric Circus "weird" was the fact
that it went so far left of PREVIOUS efforts. Imperfect.. was Cee-lo's
FIRST album nigga! That's more like his Can I Borrow A Dollar.
Imperfect was where you let you know where he was coming from.

>First off, the thing that made Electric Circus "weird" was the
>fact
>that it went so far left of PREVIOUS efforts. Imperfect.. was
>Cee-lo's
>FIRST album nigga! That's more like his Can I Borrow A
>Dollar.
>Imperfect was where you let you know where he was coming
>from.

People wanted a solo album from cee-lo they wanted Free/the expereinec/I refuse limiation mix cee-lo...not closet freak.

That shit was anticapitaed as hell and he went too out there and he admits that. He was not a Common comin out of nowhere he was a respected top tier mc with 2 classic showins under his belt.

If he would have drop soul machine first that shit would have been better recieved cause it was better mix of the Cee-lo.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

>both of his solo's are better than dre's love below...and the
>soul machine was damn near flawless...i had no idea people
>DIDN'T like the soul machine...

he says on soul machine how people didn't like imperfections...and admits on his interviews later on how people sleep on soul machine.

Soul machine was much better but sitll had some nonsense on it..child's play, dat song with TI.

its a classic album if you put both of his solo's together

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

>he says on soul machine how people didn't like
>imperfections...and admits on his interviews later on how
>people sleep on soul machine.

people sleep on both albums i readily agree..however that doesn't mean that both are great albums,because they are slept on...there are a host of great albums that are slept on....



>Soul machine was much better but sitll had some nonsense on
>it..child's play, dat song with TI.
>
>its a classic album if you put both of his solo's together


as opposed to happy valentines day,and behold a lady?....cee-lo's worst songs on both albums are better than dre 3k's worst...


but to each his own....

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

>Soul machine was much better but sitll had some nonsense on
>it..child's play, dat song with TI.


Those are two of the hottest songs on the joint. Niggas in the "A"
go crazy over them joints. Especially the one wit T.I. #cmonson

>
>Those are two of the hottest songs on the joint. Niggas in
>the "A"
>go crazy over them joints. Especially the one wit T.I.
>#cmonson
>

and niggaz in da A go crazy over "chid'z play" where at?

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

<--- Big Baller World Order

i'll take that as a compliment..

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

<--- Big Baller World Order

and I probably haven't broken it out since 2003/2004 or so, that album's better than Imperfections (Closet Freak? No.) but for the level of production stalwarts involved (The Neptunes, Organized Noise, Timbaland, Premier, even Jazze Pha at that time) it really doesn't come together for me and there's no 'must have' cuts on it that would make my regular rotation nowadays.

Andre's album is basically a completely self-contained project that works better thematically with greater heights scaled despite his vocal limitations.

I will take Prototype, Happy Valentine's Day, Roses, She Lives In My Lap, Hey Ya (now that the ubiquity has died down), A Life In The Day Of Benjamin Andre and Take Off Your Cool over just about anything off Cee-Lo's first two albums.

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outside of prototype,and roses...it doesn't really interest me at all...i still have yet to see what the hype is around the love below....but i suppose it's just not for me..

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the sheer notion of that thought is completely asinine. CMON

cee-lo is the best artist to come out the dungeon family...bar none...and i defy you to show me how andre 3k is a better artist than cee-lo...

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

You could make the argument he's the best. I'm not mad at that. Big Boi and 3K are both better IMO though.

And I don't think he's even peaked.

i think his talent level is limitless...he has an ability to merge melodies,and raps,and content,and most importantly SOUL seamlessly....nothing is lost in translation...which is why i think it's been easier for him to evolve as an artist...



>And I don't think he's even peaked.

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

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Dre get most of his points for being left field wearing dresses and
shit.. giving people a reason to believe they're open-minded.
Musically though, that nigga ain't on the same planet with Cee-lo.

--

...Do you think Big Boi's new album could change your mind? I would argue that if you compile the leaks from it so far it would be better than anything Ceelo's done outside of Goodie Mob.

i'm not sure how you could argue this...gnarls barkley,soul machine,perfect imperfections,and even odd couple are all better overall...but i haven't heard big boi's new solo..so it's kind of an incomplete thought here...but as far as what's been released...negative on it being better than anything cee-lo has released post goodie mob..that's crazy...nothing big boi,or andre 3k have done solo has been better than cee-lo's solo work...


and now i have to ask have you listened to cee-lo's solo work?..like really listened?


>...Do you think Big Boi's new album could change your mind? I
>would argue that if you compile the leaks from it so far it
>would be better than anything Ceelo's done outside of Goodie
>Mob.

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

I was just wondering if you considered that. Obviously you're a much bigger fan of those Ceelo records than I am though.

Oh, and to your question of have I really listened? Probably not. I purchased them, cause I pretty much pick up anything DF or Wu related. The Ceelo albums sounded ok, but didn't really move me after the first few times I played them, and I don't think I gave them a chance to grow on me. I haven't heard the Odd Couple at all though.

well i'd say take some time to go over the solo work again...cee-lo crafted some masterpieces...that are severly underrated....

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

lol....seriously tho i think it's more of an argument than people would like to acknowledge, mostly because their multi-talents differ: cee-lo is a rapper and singer, whereas dre is a rapper and producer (altho i think cee-lo did the bulk of the production on his first album? not sure). it's a toss-up imo

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enjoyed outkast albums more than cee-lo/goodie mob/gnarls albums... who knows, mr. green may be the most talented, but i still think kast has executed better

than any project cee-lo's ever been a part of

(and i like cee-lo a lot btw)

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And Cee-Lo is probably in my top 10-15 of all time. Sure he has better solo albums and he's a better singer than Dre, but none of his or Goodie Mob's albums are fucking with Outkast's first three (Soul Food and Still Standing are still both classics though).

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all three are great for different reasons
outkast is the greatest rap group of all time
ceelo makes amazing soul music ...but so does outkast
id take a bullet for almost every member of the df
therefore i AINT choosing

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he is

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

and they have the resume to prove it.

Say whatever you want abt The Love below but it did Garner Dre album of the year and EVERY outkast record surpasses everything Cee-lo has ever done...be it in a group or solo.

Dem Kast boys are legends in the game and will be talked abt for a long time to come. Cee-lo is a multi talented artist but no one considers him to be the best to come out of the dungeon family.

grassrootsphilosopher

>Say whatever you want abt The Love below but it did Garner Dre
>album of the year and EVERY outkast record surpasses
>everything Cee-lo has ever done...be it in a group or solo.
>

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

Cee-lo's solo career was very minimal at best. Soul Machine was all over the place and lacked cohesion and Perfect Imperfections had it's moments but it didn't catch on either.

The last track alone on Love Below is better than any record Cee-lo has on any of his solo projects, period.

I can't help it that you like 50 cent and G-UNIT.

grassrootsphilosopher

soul machine was leaps,and bounds better than love below,and so was perfect imperfections....but we can't have this convo,because i'm talking to a dolt who actually had the nerve to say that one track on the love below is better than any record on cee lo's solo projects...



>Cee-lo's solo career was very minimal at best. Soul Machine
>was all over the place and lacked cohesion and Perfect
>Imperfections had it's moments but it didn't catch on either.
>
>The last track alone on Love Below is better than any record
>Cee-lo has on any of his solo projects, period.

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

"good," I simply pointed out that his record opened at no.1 and is still selling relatively well. But saying Banks is a good MC is pointless...because no one cares. LOL

No one is waiting to hear a Lloyd Banks record; his 15 seconds of fame (or riding 50's coat tale) is over. At least Luda still has a fan base.


>soul machine was leaps,and bounds better than love below,and
>so was perfect imperfections....but we can't have this
>convo,because i'm talking to a dolt who actually had the nerve
>to say that one track on the love below is better than any
>record on cee lo's solo projects...

Yeah, I sure did say "A day in the life of Andre Benjamin" is doper than any song on anyone of Cee-lo's solo projects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=FjjHtSwFPnU

Name one song that was better than that song on either of Cee-lo's records?

grassrootsphilosopher

>"good," I simply pointed out that his record opened at no.1
>and is still selling relatively well. But saying Banks is a
>good MC is pointless...because no one cares. LOL

and people obviously care as he has a hit record with no major label backing him...(beamer,benz,or bentley)...now breathe,and let that soak in..


>No one is waiting to hear a Lloyd Banks record; his 15 seconds
>of fame (or riding 50's coat tale) is over. At least Luda
>still has a fan base.


you can lie to yourself...but no need to try,and lie to me...and beamer,benz,or bentley>>anything on ludas album....he's also a better mc than luda...deal with it..



>Yeah, I sure did say "A day in the life of Andre Benjamin" is
>doper than any song on anyone of Cee-lo's solo projects.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=FjjHtSwFPnU
>
>Name one song that was better than that song on either of
>Cee-lo's records?
>


that wasn't even the best song on the love below,much less better than every song on either of cee-lo's solo projects...but since you want some evidence of what's better...sure...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvToSLNYDzs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ixt4OLKv8


amongst many more....both of cee-lo's projects shit on the love below..

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

>you can lie to yourself...but no need to try,and lie to
>me...and beamer,benz,or bentley>>anything on ludas
>album....he's also a better mc than luda...deal with it..

http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

apparently is more relevant than 50 cent because of his record opening at no.1 I haven't even heard the entire record to be defending the quality of the record. (like I said, find the post)



>and people obviously care as he has a hit record with no major
>label backing him...(beamer,benz,or bentley)...now breathe,and
>let that soak in..

that record is a marginal hit at best. LOL...and where is it currently on the charts. The fact of the matter is that Lloyd is NOT on the same level as Luda, period. Luda, no matter what you think of his music, can still sell units. It would be a miracle if Lloyd Banks sold 250,000 units. LOL...(his mentor 50 hasn't even gone Gold yet lol)
>
>
>>No one is waiting to hear a Lloyd Banks record; his 15
>seconds
>>of fame (or riding 50's coat tale) is over. At least Luda
>>still has a fan base.
>
>
>you can lie to yourself...but no need to try,and lie to
>me...and beamer,benz,or bentley>>anything on ludas
>album....he's also a better mc than luda...deal with it..

maybe so but who will outsell who? Like I said, I haven't heard Lloyd's record and don't plan on it and I haven't heard Luda's entire record.

And as I said before, Lloyd is NOT relevant; I would prefer to hear Young Buck record before I hear a Lloyd Banks' record. That mofo was overrated from jump.
>
>
>
>>Yeah, I sure did say "A day in the life of Andre Benjamin"
>is
>>doper than any song on anyone of Cee-lo's solo projects.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=FjjHtSwFPnU
>>
>>Name one song that was better than that song on either of
>>Cee-lo's records?
>>
>
>
>that wasn't even the best song on the love below,much less
>better than every song on either of cee-lo's solo
>projects...but since you want some evidence of what's
>better...sure...

I named that record cuz that was the only record where he rapped on it...and a lot of ppl fronted on some of the other tracks...but no one disliked that track.
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvToSLNYDzs
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ixt4OLKv8
>
>
>amongst many more....both of cee-lo's projects shit on the
>love below..

true fans of Dre and Cee-lo really disliked both records. Neither of Cee-lo's records caught on which is why his solo career stalled big time...and if they were so dope, why don't you hear anyone clamoring for a Cee-lo solo project? Everybody wants to hear Dre do a solo record.




Oh yeah, you're out of your mind if you think Lloyd is a better MC than Luda. Hate on his music all you want but as far as lyricism goes, he's head and shoulders better than Lloyd Banks.

Now you really sound foolish.

grassrootsphilosopher

>apparently is more relevant than 50 cent because of his
>record opening at no.1 I haven't even heard the entire record
>to be defending the quality of the record. (like I said, find
>the post)

lmao@him being more relevant,because he opened at number 1...you're a silly kid...



>that record is a marginal hit at best. LOL...and where is it
>currently on the charts. The fact of the matter is that Lloyd
>is NOT on the same level as Luda, period. Luda, no matter what
>you think of his music, can still sell units. It would be a
>miracle if Lloyd Banks sold 250,000 units. LOL...(his mentor
>50 hasn't even gone Gold yet lol)

you keep running around the points that debunk the nonsense you spew....selling over 200k of a single when you're not on a major is a win no matter how you try to dick ride luda around the fact...


>>>No one is waiting to hear a Lloyd Banks record; his 15
>>seconds
>>>of fame (or riding 50's coat tale) is over. At least Luda
>>>still has a fan base.


you have no idea about lloyd banks so you speaking on what he has,or doesn't is just more of your typical ignorance you spew....



>maybe so but who will outsell who? Like I said, I haven't
>heard Lloyd's record and don't plan on it and I haven't heard
>Luda's entire record.

so why speak on him if you haven't heard him?...simmer down kid..


>And as I said before, Lloyd is NOT relevant; I would prefer to
>hear Young Buck record before I hear a Lloyd Banks' record.
>That mofo was overrated from jump.

yes i get it..you hate g-unit...yet you constantly bring them up to talk about....



>true fans of Dre and Cee-lo really disliked both records.
>Neither of Cee-lo's records caught on which is why his solo
>career stalled big time...and if they were so dope, why don't
>you hear anyone clamoring for a Cee-lo solo project? Everybody
>wants to hear Dre do a solo record.


never caught on with who?....you have a really bad habit of equating record sales with what people like,or dislike..that type of dick riding illogical mentality is pointless to argue...(he sold a million,so clearly he's better)...get the fuck outta here..


>Oh yeah, you're out of your mind if you think Lloyd is a
>better MC than Luda. Hate on his music all you want but as far
>as lyricism goes, he's head and shoulders better than Lloyd
>Banks.
>
>Now you really sound foolish.



the only thing luda has on lloyd is flow...bar for bar lloyd eats ludas lunch....and it ain't even close....

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

>lmao@him being more relevant,because he opened at number
>1...you're a silly kid...

how else can we measure an artists relevance if no one is buying their music or they're not charting? lol...I guess we should just use OKL heads as a gauge, huh?
>
>

>you keep running around the points that debunk the nonsense
>you spew....selling over 200k of a single when you're not on a
>major is a win no matter how you try to dick ride luda around
>the fact...

like I said, we'll see how that translates with cd sales. Plenty of artists have a *song* that does well with Itunes but don't sell a lot of units.
>
>
>>>>No one is waiting to hear a Lloyd Banks record; his 15
>>>seconds
>>>>of fame (or riding 50's coat tale) is over. At least Luda
>>>>still has a fan base.
>
>
>you have no idea about lloyd banks so you speaking on what he
>has,or doesn't is just more of your typical ignorance you
>spew....

aight, if you say so. I know all I need to know abt Lloyd Banks and I'm willing to bet that the only young hiphop heads are into his music and represent the overwhelming majority of his demographics. How can a real fan of the music co-sign anything that comes from that camp?
>
>
>
>>maybe so but who will outsell who? Like I said, I haven't
>>heard Lloyd's record and don't plan on it and I haven't
>heard
>>Luda's entire record.
>
>so why speak on him if you haven't heard him?...simmer down
>kid..

And I don't need to hear his record to know he's garbage and a marginal MC at best. I haven't heard Luda's record either but I know Luda has earned his place and respect in HipHop. Banks wish he had Luda's career. LOL

>yes i get it..you hate g-unit...yet you constantly bring them
>up to talk about....

you just now figuring that out. I think all them dudes are cornballs and Lloyd and Yayo are nothing more than 50's man servants.
>
>
>
>>true fans of Dre and Cee-lo really disliked both records.
>>Neither of Cee-lo's records caught on which is why his solo
>>career stalled big time...and if they were so dope, why
>don't
>>you hear anyone clamoring for a Cee-lo solo project?
>Everybody
>>wants to hear Dre do a solo record.
>
>
>never caught on with who?....you have a really bad habit of
>equating record sales with what people like,or dislike..that
>type of dick riding illogical mentality is pointless to
>argue...(he sold a million,so clearly he's better)...get the
>fuck outta here..

No, I'm from Atlanta and I lived in New York and MANY ppl I know said they weren't into neither of Cee-lo's solo records. And while record sales may not mean everything, it does determine if an artist will continue with their solo career...and as I said, there's a reason why Cee-lo hasn't talked abt doing anymore solo projects. How many singles did he drop off either solo record? How many were hits?

And I think you got your figures wrong as far as Cee-lo selling a million cds. lol
>
>
>>Oh yeah, you're out of your mind if you think Lloyd is a
>>better MC than Luda. Hate on his music all you want but as
>far
>>as lyricism goes, he's head and shoulders better than Lloyd
>>Banks.
>>
>>Now you really sound foolish.
>
>
>
>the only thing luda has on lloyd is flow...bar for bar lloyd
>eats ludas lunch....and it ain't even close....

da foh...Luda gets co-signed by New York dudes as being one of the top MCs in the game. I've heard Em, Juelz Santana, and Nas all say Luda is one of the best in the game as far lyrics...irrespective of the region.

Most heads I know say 50 overhyped Banks from the start and that Buck was the best MC in that whole crew.

grassrootsphilosopher

>how else can we measure an artists relevance if no one is
>buying their music or they're not charting? lol...I guess we
>should just use OKL heads as a gauge, huh?

lmao@nobody buying their music...yeah nobody bought 50's music..he isn't selling out here,and overseas...he isn't doing movies...he isn't still a bigger name than luda...please stop letting your hate embarass you..




>like I said, we'll see how that translates with cd sales.
>Plenty of artists have a *song* that does well with Itunes but
>don't sell a lot of units.


uh huh....



>aight, if you say so. I know all I need to know abt Lloyd
>Banks and I'm willing to bet that the only young hiphop heads
>are into his music. How can a real fan of the music co-sign
>that anything that comes from that camp?


lmaooo...if you can co-sign luda..anything is possible..

>And I don't need to hear his record to know he's garbage and a
>marginal MC at best. I haven't heard Luda's record either but
>I know Luda has earned his place and respect in HipHop. Banks
>wish he had Luda's career. LOL

so you admit to being ignorant,and proud of it....how proud you must be...




>No, I'm from Atlanta and I lived in New York and MANY ppl I
>know said they weren't into neither of Cee-lo's solo records.
>And while record sales may not mean everything, it does
>determine if an artist will continue with their solo
>career...and as I said, there's a reason why Cee-lo hasn't
>talked abt doing anymore solo projects. How many singles did
>he drop off either solo record? How many were hits?


lmaoo..you use this same excuse about (people i know said this,so it must be true for everyone)...and cee-lo just announced he's doing another solo project that's dropping this year...if you weren't so ignorant about the shit you talk about you would know this info..

>And I think you got your figures wrong as far as Cee-lo
>selling a million cds. lol


gnarls barkley went plat.....


>da foh...Luda gets co-signed by New York dudes as being one of
>the top MCs in the game. I've heard Em, Juelz Santana, and Nas
>all say Luda is one of the best in the game as far
>lyrics...irrespective of the region.
>
>Most heads I know say 50 overhyped Banks from the start and
>that Buck was the best MC in that whole crew.
>


yeah..there you go again.."most heads"...lmaooo...ok homie..

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

>
>>how else can we measure an artists relevance if no one is
>>buying their music or they're not charting? lol...I guess we
>>should just use OKL heads as a gauge, huh?
>
>lmao@nobody buying their music...yeah nobody bought 50's
>music..he isn't selling out here,and overseas...he isn't doing
>movies...he isn't still a bigger name than luda...please stop
>letting your hate embarass you..

50 cent is NOT relevant anymore and the fact that he hasn't even gone gold yet is a testament to that fact. LOL...and with each record, he becomes less and less relevant.
>

>>aight, if you say so. I know all I need to know abt Lloyd
>>Banks and I'm willing to bet that the only young hiphop
>heads
>>are into his music. How can a real fan of the music co-sign
>>that anything that comes from that camp?
>
>
>lmaooo...if you can co-sign luda..anything is possible..

co-signing Banks is a 1000x worst though. LOL...so you should stop while you're behind.
>
>>And I don't need to hear his record to know he's garbage and
>a
>>marginal MC at best. I haven't heard Luda's record either
>but
>>I know Luda has earned his place and respect in HipHop.
>Banks
>>wish he had Luda's career. LOL
>
>so you admit to being ignorant,and proud of it....how proud
>you must be...

yep, especially when it comes to whack MCs... LOL
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>
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>>No, I'm from Atlanta and I lived in New York and MANY ppl I
>>know said they weren't into neither of Cee-lo's solo
>records.
>>And while record sales may not mean everything, it does
>>determine if an artist will continue with their solo
>>career...and as I said, there's a reason why Cee-lo hasn't
>>talked abt doing anymore solo projects. How many singles did
>>he drop off either solo record? How many were hits?
>
>
>lmaoo..you use this same excuse about (people i know said
>this,so it must be true for everyone)...and cee-lo just
>announced he's doing another solo project that's dropping this
>year...if you weren't so ignorant about the shit you talk
>about you would know this info..


>
>>And I think you got your figures wrong as far as Cee-lo
>>selling a million cds. lol
>
>
>gnarls barkley went plat.....

no, I knew that's who you were talking abt. I'm talking about his two previous solo projects. Gnarls Barkley is a joint effort even though Cee-lo handles the vocals...same as Guru and Premier being a duo.
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>
>>da foh...Luda gets co-signed by New York dudes as being one
>of
>>the top MCs in the game. I've heard Em, Juelz Santana, and
>Nas
>>all say Luda is one of the best in the game as far
>>lyrics...irrespective of the region.
>>
>>Most heads I know say 50 overhyped Banks from the start and
>>that Buck was the best MC in that whole crew.
>>
>
>
>yeah..there you go again.."most heads"...lmaooo...ok homie..

But you can't refute that because it's true. All the aforementioned MCs have co-signed Luda.

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Whole food rappers = over priced/rated organic in fancy packages

I think both them niggas is average singers. But Cee-Lo is leagues better than 3K in that regard. And on the raps.... sheeeit. Cee-Lo been eating Dre on the mic since "git up"
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smh

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You tell them to drop a verse on the spot.

Who's more likely to spit something and who's more likely to make excuses?

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>You tell them to drop a verse on the spot.
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>Who's more likely to spit something and who's more likely to
>make excuses?

but i own both their catalogs. andre's is better overall (imo of course)

so what's "what if?" got to do w/ it?

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Cee-Lo is a better rapper
Cee-Lo is a better singer

Getting into catalogs is murky because bullshit comes into play, like World Party. So yeah you may like Dre's catalog better, but that don't make him a better rapper or singer.

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>You tell them to drop a verse on the spot.
>
>Who's more likely to spit something and who's more likely to
>make excuses?

hell, Dre insists that Big Boi is a better lyricist than he is but ask most ppl who is the fav of the two and it's almost unanimously Dre.

If you had Big L in a room with Tupac, which do you think would be able to spit a dope verse off the dome?

Rakim isn't the type of MC who can kick a freestyle either but give him a pen and paper and magic happens.


Ask ppl who would they rather hear a *solo project* from: Dre or Cee-lo? Guarantee you it would be Dre by a landslide.

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The Lesson has a hard time understanding what the word best means. It has nothing to do with your personal preference.

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than Dre. Dre isn't really much of a singer to me anyway. I put him in the same category as I do Pharrell when it comes to singing. Both can carry a note but I would hardly consider them vocalists.

Now as far as MCeeing is concerned, I think it's a matter of preference. There really is no clear cut metric to determine which is the better MC of the two.

Cee-lo is more of a wordsmith than Dre but I like Dre's delivery better than Cee-lo's which is why I give him a slight edge in the rapping department. But I really do enjoy both.

And also, you have to ask yourself why isn't that Dre seems to garner more respect from his HipHop peers when it comes to rapping? Jay Z said Dre is in his top 5; Talib said most ppl take Dre for granted he's so good but he deserves to be in everyone's top 5; Eminem said when he was rehabbing, Dre was the only MC he listened to and said that Dre is the best doing it right now.

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>Now as far as MCeeing is concerned, I think it's a matter of
>preference.

I don't. That was the purpose of post #28. People may prefer these artistic rappers, but when it comes to who's a better rapper it's strictly about rapping. And ultimately for me rapping like drumming, or guitar playing, or singing, or whatever, as for who's the best is not about what you can do in the studio, it's about your chops on the spot. You ask a drummer to prove themselves they gonna sit behind the kit and drum. You ask a guitar player, they gonna break out into a ill solo. Etc. Only in rap do you get motherfuckers saying go play my album. Which is how I know. What's the quote "you're a rapper, rap motherfucker."

>And also, you have to ask yourself why isn't that Dre seems to
>garner more respect from his HipHop peers when it comes to
>rapping? Jay Z said Dre is in his top 5; Talib said most ppl
>take Dre for granted he's so good but he deserves to be in
>everyone's top 5; Eminem said when he was rehabbing, Dre was
>the only MC he listened to and said that Dre is the best doing
>it right now.

Dre is a great writer and has some amazing delivery, but he don't rap anywhere near enough to be ranked as a rapper. I can't really even remember the last Cee-Lo shit I heard so he's not immune from it. But I'm inclined to believe you put them both in a room, Cee-Lo will rap, Dre will make excuses.

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>I don't. That was the purpose of post #28. People may prefer
>these artistic rappers, but when it comes to who's a better
>rapper it's strictly about rapping. And ultimately for me
>rapping like drumming, or guitar playing, or singing, or
>whatever, as for who's the best is not about what you can do
>in the studio, it's about your chops on the spot. You ask a
>drummer to prove themselves they gonna sit behind the kit and
>drum. You ask a guitar player, they gonna break out into a
>ill solo. Etc. Only in rap do you get motherfuckers saying go
>play my album. Which is how I know. What's the quote "you're
>a rapper, rap motherfucker."

When you play an instrument, especially when you're just starting out, you may practice on the same sheet music and get familiar with the keys of a piano or the strings on a guitar or playing certain repetitions on the drums...to the point that it becomes reflexive but as far as rapping, you can't and don't practice a verse over and over again to get better. There is no science of freestyling. Either you can do it or you can't. You can spit rhymes all day -- that still doesn't mean you can spit a dope rhyme the minute someone asks you too. And also, Dre has admitted that he has never been a good freestyle rapper.
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>>And also, you have to ask yourself why isn't that Dre seems
>to
>>garner more respect from his HipHop peers when it comes to
>>rapping? Jay Z said Dre is in his top 5; Talib said most ppl
>>take Dre for granted he's so good but he deserves to be in
>>everyone's top 5; Eminem said when he was rehabbing, Dre was
>>the only MC he listened to and said that Dre is the best
>doing
>>it right now.
>
>Dre is a great writer and has some amazing delivery, but he
>don't rap anywhere near enough to be ranked as a rapper. I
>can't really even remember the last Cee-Lo shit I heard so
>he's not immune from it. But I'm inclined to believe you put
>them both in a room, Cee-Lo will rap, Dre will make excuses.

Maybe not but I think it's telling when your peers have such a high regard for you as an MC. That's like me as a layperson saying I think Carmelo Anthony is better basketball player than Lebron but if the vast majority of NBA players say otherwise, then I think you have to take their opinions into consideration because you have to believe they have a bit more insight on what makes a great MC.

And it's not like Cee-lo isn't widely known. He's a well known artist too but I don't recall other MCs (outside of the south) ever saying Cee-lo is one of the greatest to grab a mic.

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>When you play an instrument, especially when you're just
>starting out, you may practice on the same sheet music and get
>familiar with the keys of a piano or the strings on a guitar
>or playing certain repetitions on the drums...to the point
>that it becomes reflexive but as far as rapping, you can't and
>don't practice a verse over and over again to get better.
>There is no science of freestyling. Either you can do it or
>you can't. You can spit rhymes all day -- that still doesn't
>mean you can spit a dope rhyme the minute someone asks you
>too.

Ask ?uest to tell you about BT's practice regimen.
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I'm sure there are plenty of MCs that don't do anything special that makes them a great MC but there still dope MCs but you can't become good at playing an instrument if you don't put in practice time.

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>I'm sure there are plenty of MCs that don't do anything
>special that makes them a great MC but there still dope MCs
>but you can't become good at playing an instrument if you
>don't put in practice time.

I'd argue that all of the great MC's/rappers put in considerable time practicing their craft. Most of them exhibit the mastery of their craft in their live show. But even with someone like Rakim who by most accounts sucks live, the time and effort put into master his craft is self evident in his recorded material. And if challenged he can drop a verse (btw this isn't even a request I make for a off the top joint, just kick some shit). I bet at some point Dre himself did his fair share of practicing (I'm thinking between Southern and ATLiens), but somewhere along the way he started becoming bored with rapping (I'm pretty sure he admitted such in an interview).

So to be clear, practice does make perfect, both in rapping and with an instrument. It doesn't necessarily have a direct effect on sales but that's besides the point.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm sure most rappers write ALL the time but rapping I would argue is more inate and there has to be some natural talent there to be a great MC. For example, I could write and write and write some more but that doesn't mean I will ever be a great MC.

Playing an instrument, though, is different in the sense that it's not a requisite requirement to have some talent for an instrument. Very few ppl are born with a natural inclination and ability to play an instrument.

This was the argument that Wynton Marsalis has consistently made as to why you NEVER see any Jazz prodigies as opposed to rapping where you have many young cats who rap.

When you say if Dre was in a room and you asked him to spit something, I was thinking more along the lines of freestyling but you said that you were saying just spit a rhyme. If that's the case, I have no doubt that Dre has his book of rhymes and could kick a some ish from rhymes he has already has written down but I don't think he is the type who could just spit a rhyme off the dome. Cee-lo I've heard freestyle and needless to say, it was on point.

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thats like comparing george clinton to marvin gaye

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>thats like comparing george clinton to marvin gaye

Though I love George, he ain't a singer.
Plus, being Funk doesn't mean you can't sing. Glen Goines trumps
ALL these niggas and he was a funk singer.

>>thats like comparing george clinton to marvin gaye
>
>Though I love George, he ain't a singer.

why isnt he a singer?:

sing (sng)
v. sang (sng) or sung (sng), sung, sing·ing, sings
v.intr.
1. Music
a. To utter a series of words or sounds in musical tones.
b. To vocalize songs or selections.
c. To perform songs or selections as a trained or professional singer.
d. To produce sounds when played: made the violin sing.
2.
a. To make melodious sounds: birds singing outside the window.
b. To give or have the effect of melody; lilt.
3. To make a high whining, humming, or whistling sound.
4. To be filled with a buzzing or ringing sound.
5.
a. To proclaim or extol something in verse.
b. To write poetry.


>Plus, being Funk doesn't mean you can't sing. Glen Goines
>trumps
>ALL these niggas and he was a funk singer.

glen goines aint seeing NO parts of george clinton's catalog or success. & judging singing is based on the opinion of the listener. what my ears like & what urs like are two totally different animals. & if u dont understand the BASIC diff b/w what funks intentions are vs. souls, then NO u cannot argue ceelo against 3k
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