"...just good music and bad music..."
"...only American music..."
"...cuz *fill in the blank* people were there, too..."
"...cuz music doesn't have a race or color..."

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IMHO 'the state of black music' discussion should start and end with the relative access black people have to the tools and means of releasing music. what they actually make is too diversified to be discussed without personal bias taking over.
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If a black person started. Then its black music. That's how I see it.

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i love music!-THE MIGHTY O'JAYS

BLACK WOMEN RULE!

musical styles just evolve from any number of other various sources that provide influence, and while it's happening someone (usually on the outside, like a writer) picks a point and throws a "genre name" on it.

but pick any black/white/other musical "genre" and i can find you a non-that-race influence.

and i didn't invent the airplane, nor the harpsichord.

>"...just good music and bad music..."
>"...only American music..."
>"...cuz *fill in the blank* people were there, too..."
>"...cuz music doesn't have a race or color..."
>
>Agree or disagree?

I don't *really* understand fierce musical territoriality. The only real solution is to know your history, and history indicates that music in this country has been miscegenating since its inception. There are few racial universals in musical history.

But the fact that it's been mixing and matching here for 400 years does not mean that music is beyond race or color, and refusing to acknowledge that certain sonic and structural qualities either originated or are primarily associated with certain groups is, to me, just silly.

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>>"...just good music and bad music..."
>>"...only American music..."
>>"...cuz *fill in the blank* people were there, too..."
>>"...cuz music doesn't have a race or color..."
>>
>>Agree or disagree?
>
>I don't *really* understand fierce musical territoriality.

except i think i understand fierce musical territoriality.

non-whites in America feel put upon, for the most part. constantly under attack from Whitey. the attack comes on multiple fronts - music being 1 of them. we get territorial about 'our' music b/c we'd like to be able to have SOMETHING of our own. something that's ours and cannot be taken away from us by Whitey. we'd also like a refuge where we can be ourselves away from Whitey's prying eyes and ears. a place where we can stand down. unfortunately we can't use 'our' music as our refuge as long as Whitey is up in it appropriating. it's extraordinarily frustrating. like if your boss moved into your house and was at home chilling on your couch when you got home from a long day of work, holding the TV remote, w/his feet all up on your coffee table, w/his shoes on. just...UGH!

fuck you.

>unfortunately we can't use 'our'
>music as our refuge as long as Whitey is up in it
>appropriating. it's extraordinarily frustrating. like if
>your boss moved into your house and was at home chilling on
>your couch when you got home from a long day of work, holding
>the TV remote, w/his feet all up on your coffee table, w/his
>shoes on. just...UGH!

or there's the Debo analogy...you just got a sweet new bike, then Debo comes up and tells you, "its OUR bike now...not yours"


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>>I don't *really* understand fierce musical territoriality.
>
>except i think i understand fierce musical territoriality.
>
>non-whites in America feel put upon, for the most part.
>constantly under attack from Whitey. the attack comes on
>multiple fronts - music being 1 of them. we get territorial
>about 'our' music b/c we'd like to be able to have SOMETHING
>of our own. something that's ours and cannot be taken away
>from us by Whitey. we'd also like a refuge where we can be
>ourselves away from Whitey's prying eyes and ears. a place
>where we can stand down. unfortunately we can't use 'our'
>music as our refuge as long as Whitey is up in it
>appropriating. it's extraordinarily frustrating. like if
>your boss moved into your house and was at home chilling on
>your couch when you got home from a long day of work, holding
>the TV remote, w/his feet all up on your coffee table, w/his
>shoes on. just...UGH!
>
>






there is definitely a need to have something that is
our own. but there is also... (paradoxically) this need to be recognized.


a lot of times...
(and i hate to generalize so i'll use these quotation marks)

"we" have a need for validation from "them."
so when "we" see the beatles being
called the greatest band ever from every single
rolling stone magazine,

there is a need to say..."but what about stevie wonder. and sly stone."


there is this feeling that the black artists will never
be put on the same pedestal as the great white artists.
and this can be especially frustrating since most american pop music's roots can be traced directly back to black artists.

so to be honest... i understand why people get irritated
that being said...



(1) "we" really need to get over our need for validation from "them." because it's not coming. and we shouldn't need it.
the fact that we do indicates that we need a healing.

(2) the beatles and the stones really are great artists. not everybody that prefers them to stevie and sly is a racist.
they really just might like "white" music better.

(3) stevie and sly don't need you to cut down the beatles in order to prop them up. their work stands on its own. the best thing you can do for their legacy is to put more people onto the music you like. there is no real need to tear the work of others down.

fuck you.

>
>(1) "we" really need to get over our need for validation from
>"them." because it's not coming. and we shouldn't need it.

Agreed.


>(2) the beatles and the stones really are great artists. not
>everybody that prefers them to stevie and sly is a racist.
>they really just might like "white" music better.


Agreed. BUT there are some people who dont like Stevie and Sly becuase they make Black music....but more troubling, people who believe that Stvie and Sly's music are inferior or not genius level shit because theyre Black...and that's a problem...


>(3) stevie and sly don't need you to cut down the beatles in
>order to prop them up. their work stands on its own. the
>best thing you can do for their legacy is to put more people
>onto the music you like. there is no real need to tear the
>work of others down.


Agreed, BUT Stevie and Sly need to be propped up MORE...and I think its our responsibilty to do it....we really need a Black music publication with integrity....all our our editorial media is a joke, with the exception of Waxpoetics and a select few others, but even those are not organically OURS....


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definitely not Stevie. he's getting his due.

Stevie has received more than a dozen Grammys - including 3 for Album of the Year during his classic streak in the 70s. he's got platinum plaques. he's in the RRHOF. i think he got a Kennedy Center honor. he's performed at every award show i can think of. he's got an Oscar. several of his 70s albums almost always appear on lists of The Best Albums Ever, even those compiled by rockists.

what more can he get?

as for Sly...he's relatively under the radar, but his work has been lauded similarly, minus the award statues. but that's not surprising since his work was so far ahead of its time. if he was around more he'd probably have more lifetime achievement awards.

there are other Black musicians out there who haven't gotten theirs when it comes to props. Stevie and Sly aren't among them. i don't get the feeling that either is underrated.

fuck you.

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i read his comment to mean that
there should be books counting down the
top 100 soul albums
that included stuff like the isley's 3+3
and deniece williams "this is niecy"


but WE have to be the ones to write them...
we can't just wait on "them" to document our shit.

fuck you.

rather than the books we're 'posed to write (even if we don't write those either).

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>>
>>(1) "we" really need to get over our need for validation
>from
>>"them." because it's not coming. and we shouldn't need it.
>
>
>Agreed.
>
>




>>(2) the beatles and the stones really are great artists.
>not
>>everybody that prefers them to stevie and sly is a racist.
>>they really just might like "white" music better.
>
>
>Agreed. BUT there are some people who dont like Stevie and Sly
>becuase they make Black music....but more troubling, people
>who believe that Stvie and Sly's music are inferior or not
>genius level shit because theyre Black...and that's a
>problem...


i agree. and i've had those "debates" with people before.
it's just a battle i gave up fighting.


>
>
>>(3) stevie and sly don't need you to cut down the beatles
>in
>>order to prop them up. their work stands on its own. the
>>best thing you can do for their legacy is to put more people
>>onto the music you like. there is no real need to tear the
>>work of others down.
>
>
>Agreed, BUT Stevie and Sly need to be propped up MORE...and I
>think its our responsibilty to do it....we really need a Black
>music publication with integrity....all our our editorial
>media is a joke, with the exception of Waxpoetics and a select
>few others, but even those are not organically OURS....




we're on the same page.

emotional and logical levels, but both that sense of possession and that desire to possess isn't something I've ever felt personally. Thanks for the response though.

White suburban culture doesn't really have an identifiable artistic heritage, and we react to that in different ways. Some try to stake a claim in whatever they admire; most I think just never bother considering the question on a deeper level but are so accustomed to privilege that the thought of being excluded from anything is sort of abstract until confronted head on.

>like if
>your boss moved into your house and was at home chilling on
>your couch when you got home from a long day of work, holding
>the TV remote, w/his feet all up on your coffee table, w/his
>shoes on. just...UGH!

better than smelling his stinky feet, though.

And I work with my pop! Man, I'm telling you... he clips his toenails in the office. And he has some serious nail fungus. His nails are like 1/2" thick and disgustingly yellow. THen they turn black and fall off about twice a year.

>non-whites in America feel put upon, for the most part.
>constantly under attack from Whitey.

The word 'attack' is an interesting choice - you seem to be saying it feels that way even when the intent is not proprietary.

I know there was some discussion recently about what makes interest in (well, I guess that convo was more 'participation in') Black music from us 'acceptable' to you and on what level... that might be a separate post but would def. be an interesting discussion for me to read.

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most I
>think just never bother considering the question on a deeper
>level but are so accustomed to privilege that the thought of
>being excluded from anything is sort of abstract until
>confronted head on.

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but james brown clearly makes black music.

the smiths clearly do not.

sure, a lot of times one hand washes the other.

the beatles took black music and put their own spin on it,
eventually it became something different altogether.

just like sly stone put his own spin on psychedlica
and it became something different altogether.

but i always hate arguments that claim "there's no such thing as black music."

that's like saying there's no such thing as the color black or the color white simply because some things are gray.

and how else do you describe music you listen to when i mainly listen to r&b, hip hop, soul, and reggae?

im not all about those black people started rock & roll and white people stole it. it may well be true, but i don't really give a fuck. music is music, if one race of people take some shit, run with it, and make it their own, good for them. more power to you.



>but james brown clearly makes black music.
>
>the smiths clearly do not.
>
>sure, a lot of times one hand washes the other.
>
>the beatles took black music and put their own spin on it,
>eventually it became something different altogether.
>
>just like sly stone put his own spin on psychedlica
>and it became something different altogether.
>
>but i always hate arguments that claim "there's no such thing
>as black music."
>
>that's like saying there's no such thing as the color black or
>the color white simply because some things are gray.
>
>
>

pretend to be cats don't seem to know they limitations
exact replication and false representation

who happen to be the same race as you... Is pathetic. It doesn't have to be race, but it's all just collectivism, trying to generate self esteem from others. (it applies in the negative sense too like if you try to belittle another race)

I kniw lots of people think that way and think it's natural so I will probably piss them off with that atatement, but that's how i feel

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*puts emceeing in a box*

to associate one's self with the achievements of a group of people to which one has no connection?


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The point is unless you were personally involved in some part of the achieving, then FOH

Not that I'm against the historical analysis of what communities etc. the artists sprung from per se, but quite often the motivation for that analysis/discussion is wrong

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*puts emceeing in a box*

LOL

fuck you.

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"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

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you were supposed to reply "I'm not Brit" which would have exhibited the irony i was going for.
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(I think)

Better luck next time

"The problem with Scotland, is it's full of Scots." (c) Braveheart

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"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

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it's identifying certain kinds of music with the communities from which they primarily emerge.

what is so difficult to understand there?

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i see it in all walks of life
very prevalent among sports fans - "We've won the cup 19 times, you will never rival that blablabla"
in small nations - "i am proud to be ____ because we have produced ____"
age groups - "my generation produced ____, you youngins have done nothing"
battles of the sexes - "all the great scientists, painters... were ___"

the motivation COULD be an entirely noble pursuit of fact, but usually from the discussion other motives become apparent. so i implore people to ask WHY exactly they want there to be such a thing as black music

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*puts emceeing in a box*

It's not about saying "I'm so proud to be black because Jimi Hendrix was a genius musician and he was Black"

it's about recognizing that there are certain sonic qualities that are unique to music made by black people and using that as a means of describing music that has these qualities.

Hate to sound like a broken record as I have been asking the question for years, but do the same people who object to the use of the term "black music" also have problems with, say, "Chinese food" or "Spanish guitar"?

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they don't seem to have been brought up anywhere whatsoever in a thread asking 'is there such a thing as black music?' it's all a bit political. i'd love it to be about sonic qualities

the thing about spanish guitar is the sound is readily identifiable. you have a solo nylon string guitar, you have certain chords/fingerings they like to use, finger picking, you have the flamenco style strumming, and also tremolo picking. it's unmistakable and hence there's nothing contentious about it. so while you have a point that in that case nobody cares about assigning a genre to an ethnic group, musically it's not exactly an equivalent question, or not of equivalent complexity at least. also while Spain has a high concentration of guitar talent, there's no denying musicians from far afield have also mastered the form and contributed to the genre. when/if that happens in black music, are those 'outside' musicians then viewed as part of black music?


>It's not about saying "I'm so proud to be black because Jimi
>Hendrix was a genius musician and he was Black"
>
>it's about recognizing that there are certain sonic qualities
>that are unique to music made by black people and using that
>as a means of describing music that has these qualities.
>
>Hate to sound like a broken record as I have been asking the
>question for years, but do the same people who object to the
>use of the term "black music" also have problems with, say,
>"Chinese food" or "Spanish guitar"?

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deal.

i think even your stance is political. you may disagree.

fuck you.

it's impossible to identify anything as universal to all black music. but there are a number of things which have historically derived from black communities that they can be understood under the black music umbrella. an example would be the emphasis on rhythm. that doesn't mean that all black music has an emphasis on rhythm, or that all music which emphasizes rhythm is black. but emphasis on rhythm is an attribute of black music.

the way it fans out from there is a means of understanding how black music has spread through the diaspora. that emphasis on rhythm is exemplified in every instrument we take two be it the piano, the voice, guitar, etc. through different genres it also manifests differently. regionally it shows up differently. and by generations. but the core of it remains throughout all its variations.
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it's impossible to identify anything as universal to all
european music. but there are a number of things which have
historically derived from european communities that they can be
understood under the european music umbrella. an example would
be the emphasis on order. that doesn't mean that all european
music has an emphasis on order, or that all music which
emphasizes order is european. but emphasis on order is an
attribute of european music.

the way it fans out from there is a means of understanding how
european music has spread through western civilization. that emphasis on
order is exemplified in every instrument we take two be it
the piano, the voice, guitar, etc. through different genres
it also manifests differently. regionally it shows up
differently. and by generations. but the core of it remains
throughout all its variations.
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as you can see, this is pretty much completely useless in terms of telling you anything

let's be blunt. 'black music' is a floating abstraction - a concept not grounded in well understood references to reality. different people taking it to mean entirely different things, but keep using it with no acknowledgement of this. for instance this very thread, you said music of the diaspora, someone else said music of black Americans, Afkap said music with certain distinct sonic qualities, and so on

so if all these people keep using the term, but it's not the semantic meaning of the phrase that keeps it in use, then one has to wonder what IS. that's where i get suspicious. like i say personally i wouldn't use the term because i find it unhelpful. not that i don't credit certain black musicians with innovating widely used ideas, or certain ideas originating from cultural influence/heritage

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>it's impossible to identify anything as universal to all
>european music. but there are a number of things which have
>historically derived from european communities that they can
>be
>understood under the european music umbrella. an example
>would
>be the emphasis on order. that doesn't mean that all
>european
>music has an emphasis on order, or that all music which
>emphasizes order is european. but emphasis on order is an
>attribute of european music.
>
>the way it fans out from there is a means of understanding
>how
>european music has spread through western civilization. that
>emphasis on
>order is exemplified in every instrument we take two be it
>the piano, the voice, guitar, etc. through different genres
>it also manifests differently. regionally it shows up
>differently. and by generations. but the core of it remains
>throughout all its variations.

The European obsession with order is real!! Think about all your songwriting arguments. You want to be able to evaluate based on your sense of how a song should be ordered. When things fall out of that order it leaves you perplexed as to how it can be good songwriting. Crazy rhythmic sense goes against a desire for order.

So as you can see it's very useful for discussing European music.


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and it's only slightly more vague as saying 'emphasis on rhythm'. it's funny you're even entertaining the argument

if you looked at the context of Rite of Spring, you probably could nail pretty solid lines of influence from other composers and movements in art. you know, arguments with some meat to them. i'm not going to bother personally because i don't like that whole side of Stravinsky's music, plus no doubt numerous essays are available subject.

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>if you looked at the context of Rite of Spring, you probably
>could nail pretty solid lines of influence from other
>composers and movements in art.

Or Lithuanian folk songs maybe. Stravinsky himself acknowledged some of the influence though others have said he 'stole' the greater majority of it. This all places it firmly within a cultural context outside of which it could not have been produced. Funny thing is that the folk music wouldn't have been embraced under the "european music' moniker (ie academic language) because the folk is at conflict with the requried order. But when Stravinski comes along and gives it the order well then it can stand as a testament to the power of european music.

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http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/browse_thread/thread/a554d37379458fde/dba4aac7e925d639?

but anyway if Stravinsky plagiarized some lithuanian folk song whose author(s) was unknown... that's all it means. mosts of the great composers didn't plagiarize

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meaning the relevant parts. because the plagirism wasn't it. it's the cultural context in which the work was created. couldn't have happened any other way.

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i really don't know, you'll need to restate your point

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In your disgust for artists (and fans) claiming the achievements of others in your culture you've managed to deny the validity of the term 'black music' proclaiming that it describes nothing. others have explained however that it places the music within a cultural context which is important but then you go and say culture has no relevance. now i'd think you were just DAing but then I think back and realize how much you avoid the topic of Scottish music (I recall asking directly once over a year ago). I mean even Jakob has taken time on the boards to reference (fuck is it...) Swedish Metal, and it's an apt description as that is very different from say LA Metal. And even further if you were talk about Swedish music a deep study that there are characteristics in Swedish Metal which can be found in other genres. Making Swedish music a distinction from say Icelandic music.

Are these things irrelevant Damaja? Really?

At any rate above I posted this:

This all places it firmly within a cultural context outside of which it could not have been produced.

In other words the context of a Russian composer influenced by Lithuanian folk songs is very relevant to the discussion of the Rite of Spring. That's why they teach it that way.

Now unless you are going to dogmatically stick to your guns and still hold that even in these cases cultural context is irrelevant, that in fact being russian or being exposed to lithuanian folk music played no part in the creation of the music, (which most of the posters against you right now are assuming you wouldn't without having to state it), the implication is that there's something special about 'black music' that you don't like, and *that* stands out to them as a historically racist position. In other words culture is applicable in one case but not the other. Now I don't think you're racist. I think you're dogmatic, and it's symptomatic of the musical theorizing you repesent. So that's why I tagged this on at the end:

Funny thing is that the folk music wouldn't have been embraced under the "european music' moniker (ie academic language) because the folk is at conflict with the requried order. But when Stravinski comes along and gives it the order well then it can stand as a testament to the power of european music.

Irrelevant to the discussion here, but plays into your whole European music is about order which is both true and false even if you posted it in attempted snark. European (western) musical theory is all about order, to the point that they denied their 'folk' heritage in efforts to keep the order until Stravinski and the like realized how boring that order had ecome and so went back to folk traditions. After taking that inspiration and ordering it, it was up to par to be considered (the pinnacle of) European music.

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>it's all a bit political.


the history of american pop music is, in part, a political
discusion. whether you want it to be or not.
to try to make it not so would be like trying to
discuss the american civil war while dancing around the issue
of slavery.

if you are just now realizing this,
that explains why stepped on so many toes in your posts.

and if that is sarcastic understatement,
i really don't know what to tell you.

i don't necessarily agree w/the way my ppl defend our music, but i think i understand it.

fuck you.

>i implore people to ask WHY exactly they want there to be such
>a thing as black music

Why is it so hard to admit that shit, though?

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as well as the aforementioned fraudulent self-esteem issue, as a side effect it tends to belittle the amazing achievements of the individual artists and shift the focus to the strength of the community or even the consequences of economic conditions and then sometimes ultimately to (supposed) innate racial qualities

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

>as well as the aforementioned fraudulent self-esteem issue,
>as a side effect it tends to belittle the amazing achievements
>of the individual artists and shift the focus to the strength
>of the community

tell me more about this line of thought. it's new to me. sounds like some white ppl shit.

fuck you.

otherwise i would explain what i mean - i don't like to go around not explaining what i say

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*