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50. "Gives me Anthony Edwards-y vibes, but the downside is real imo."
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Like, the skills are pretty clear. Terrific bounce, terrific speed of movement, terrific burst, terrific strength. Like a taller, longer Anthony Edwards in regards to his body.

He's got a bag handle-wise, he's good at getting downhill, and even though he's not a great 3 point shooter at present, he's not shy to bust out a setback from back there. Like with Edwards, think he can be a really good defender in matchups where he's locked in...

... but I kinda have some "feel for the game" issues. Bad shot selection. Not very good off ball on defense, from what I saw, and would gamble too often. He's also a *complete* ball stopper, to the point where his assist rate would be historically low for top 10 guard/wing picks (and easily the lowest in the class).

Sam Vecenie pointed out on his podcast during the year (and then I noticed) that Whitmore just doesn't make quick reads on the catch. He stops after the catch, looks around, thinks about what to do, then does it. And most of the time, what he does is "dance around with the ball, take a shot."

And while I could dismiss some of these things as inexperience-- he was hurt to start the year, that definitely hurts prospects-- it's just a really hard combo to have bad shot selection *and* never fucking pass the ball. Like, he's got a pretty decent ways to go in terms of impacting winning basketball imo. Maybe if he either passes more or becomes far efficient with his shot, he can be instant offense off the bench pretty early on in his career.

But I would kinda be concerned that Whitmore's best basketball might be after his rookie deal, and while he's got very real upside, you might get better productivity in the next 2-3 years from some other guys in the top 10. So I'd be hungry to draft him if I was on a tanking team... but if I'm trying to win anytime soon, I'd kinda let him slide.

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The Official 2023 NBA Prospect Thread 4 Thruthiness and Justivity [View all] , Frank Longo, Wed Jun-14-23 12:04 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Victor Wembanyama
Jun 14th 2023
1
Future legend barring injury.
Jun 14th 2023
27
yeah its pretty simple to me
Jun 16th 2023
70
I mean... the hype is real.
Jun 14th 2023
37
Been interested in what your take on him was.
Jun 14th 2023
39
Won't live up to the hype that he's receiving.
Jun 14th 2023
43
think I'm in this lane
Jun 15th 2023
68
He needs a goon.
Jun 15th 2023
62
I actually have no doubt the Spurs will do this.
Jun 15th 2023
63
      Agreed. Year 5 and beyond he will be doing that AD type role
Jun 15th 2023
67
Top 5 player in the league, lock, barring the unforeseen of course
Jun 22nd 2023
110
Scoot Henderson
Jun 14th 2023
2
Would go #1 overall in most drafts. I'd *kill* to have him on my team.
Jun 14th 2023
38
if the hornets fuck up this pick
Jun 15th 2023
66
Russ/Ja type but with good defense.
Jun 22nd 2023
111
Brandon Miller
Jun 14th 2023
3
Great 3-and-D prospect... but I may be a little lower than some.
Jun 14th 2023
40
looked better than he is in college
Jun 15th 2023
53
Liking but not loving his game
Jun 22nd 2023
112
Amen Thompson
Jun 14th 2023
4
Didn't watch much OTE... but the tools are *bonkers.*
Jun 14th 2023
41
No legit idea only the opinions of others
Jun 22nd 2023
113
Ausar Thompson
Jun 14th 2023
5
Take my comments on Amen and crank down the upside.
Jun 14th 2023
49
      he's the "Markieff" to his brother's "Marcus"? LOL
Jun 15th 2023
57
           probably closer in talent than that but we shall see.
Jun 22nd 2023
127
Cam Whitmore
Jun 14th 2023
6
Freakish athleticism, high motor.. sky is the limit.
Jun 14th 2023
44
i heard he'd sink, no idea why, but was thinking 9-11 range
Jun 22nd 2023
114
Taylor Hendricks
Jun 14th 2023
7
Consummate 3-and-D guy. Contenders should trade up for him.
Jun 14th 2023
52
This is who I want for the Pistons
Jun 17th 2023
75
Reminds me a little of Tyler Johnson in some ways
Jun 22nd 2023
115
Anthony Black
Jun 14th 2023
8
Like the potential. Think a smaller Josh Giddey with better defense.
Jun 15th 2023
65
Solid rotation player at worst, low-key star potential
Jun 22nd 2023
124
Jarace Walker
Jun 14th 2023
9
All the tools to be a solid pro.
Jun 19th 2023
95
Loved him in college, but kinda think he's more of a dude than a star.
Jun 19th 2023
97
I like his game, even if he cannot stick as a star, he will stay around
Jun 22nd 2023
116
Dereck Lively II
Jun 14th 2023
10
Fort Wayne Mad Ants
Jun 14th 2023
46
Ctrl+F "Maryland"
Jun 14th 2023
51
He’s gonna find his way in the NBA
Jun 15th 2023
64
An ideal defensive-minded rim-running starting center in today's NBA.
Jun 16th 2023
69
You went with the 15000 word essay version of my post.
Jun 16th 2023
72
      lol hey, I'll write 400 words when I like a Duke player.
Jun 16th 2023
73
Is he DeAndre Jordan or Jaxson Hayes and do we care?
Jun 22nd 2023
117
Cason Wallace
Jun 14th 2023
11
At worst... the 2nd best player in the draft.
Jun 14th 2023
47
at minimum he'll be a great defender
Jun 15th 2023
54
I trust him as a catch-and-shoot threat too, to be honest.
Jun 16th 2023
71
Kind of sexy as a prospect, athletic and physical
Jun 22nd 2023
118
Gradey Dick
Jun 14th 2023
12
Smart floor spacer. Contenders could use him.
Jun 17th 2023
78
Miami and scrappy teams like that would love him
Jun 22nd 2023
119
Kobe Bufkin
Jun 14th 2023
13
this one hurts deeply
Jun 17th 2023
76
      He's probably the most well-rounded combo guard in the class.
Jun 17th 2023
79
           he may have a guarantee in the back half of the top 10
Jun 17th 2023
81
                ... that would certainly be intriguing.
Jun 17th 2023
83
Leonard Miller
Jun 14th 2023
14
Really raw, but a ton of upside for a 6'9 forward.
Jun 17th 2023
80
      Long and strong (pause)
Jun 22nd 2023
128
Jalen Hood-Schifino
Jun 14th 2023
15
Big, long PG with upside. Think Spencer Dinwiddie + defense.
Jun 17th 2023
82
I knew Lakers would take him or George, George was gone
Jun 22nd 2023
121
Kris Murray
Jun 14th 2023
16
Diet Coke version of his brother... maybe Kirkland Brand.
Jun 17th 2023
84
      “Kirkland brand”.. lol
Jun 20th 2023
104
Dariq Whitehead
Jun 14th 2023
17
All comes down to "do you throw out last season due to health?"
Jun 17th 2023
85
Brice Sensabaugh
Jun 14th 2023
18
I can't believe he's getting a first round grade..curious what u think
Jun 14th 2023
42
It's because good shot creators of his size are hard to come by.
Jun 17th 2023
86
I don't see the appeal but he is 19 and was hurt some
Jun 22nd 2023
129
Jordan Hawkins
Jun 14th 2023
19
Knock down shooter who'll be in any rotation immediately.
Jun 14th 2023
45
More than a shooter, but he kept that in the can.
Jun 15th 2023
59
Great shooter. Can play right away.
Jun 17th 2023
87
bankable specialist if nothing else
Jun 22nd 2023
125
Jaime Jaquez Jr.
Jun 14th 2023
20
if hes there at 31 id take him in Detroit in a heartbeat
Jun 17th 2023
74
      Can't imagine he will be. A good jack-of-all-trades prospect.
Jun 17th 2023
88
Nick Smith Jr.
Jun 14th 2023
21
Like Whitehead, it's a "HS tape vs. college tape" thing. I'm lower here.
Jun 17th 2023
89
      what did he make like a dozen starts in college?
Jun 22nd 2023
122
Jett Howard
Jun 14th 2023
22
all im gonna say is this:
Jun 17th 2023
77
Yeah, I think the journey might be rough.
Jun 19th 2023
90
      i will say that his movement without the ball is really really good
Jun 19th 2023
100
Nope
Jun 19th 2023
99
Not a believer, personally.
Jun 22nd 2023
120
Noah Clowney
Jun 14th 2023
23
Young F who looks the role... but he's a ways away.
Jun 19th 2023
91
Keyonte George
Jun 14th 2023
24
Yet another bucket-getter with athleticism/defense concerns.
Jun 19th 2023
92
As all "GET A BUCKET" guys are in college, he's in for adaptation
Jun 22nd 2023
123
Andre Jackson
Jun 14th 2023
25
Goon wing, I like
Jun 14th 2023
48
Should have stayed in school, just to learn to shoot
Jun 15th 2023
60
they dont teach shooting in the nba?
Jun 22nd 2023
126
Wing that's elite at most everything... but an awful shooter.
Jun 19th 2023
93
Kobe Brown
Jun 14th 2023
26
doesn't really move like a NBA player
Jun 15th 2023
56
A classic good-not-great guy. Definitely a bit stiff for a wing.
Jun 19th 2023
94
O-Max Prosper
Jun 14th 2023
28
A lot of ideal tools for an NBA wing. I like him.
Jun 19th 2023
101
Ben Sheppard
Jun 14th 2023
29
3-and-D guy, albeit with limitations. I'd like him on a contender.
Jun 19th 2023
96
GG Jackson
Jun 14th 2023
30
only take him if you can burn a pick
Jun 15th 2023
55
      I'm definitely selling, but I see the appeal.
Jun 15th 2023
58
Colby Jones
Jun 14th 2023
31
Good size, good vision. Backup PG potential.
Jun 19th 2023
102
Bilal Coulibaly
Jun 14th 2023
32
Wemby's Wing man is going to be a steal for some team.
Jun 15th 2023
61
Project. Could be a star, could be out the league after his rookie deal....
Jun 19th 2023
98
Marcus Sasser
Jun 14th 2023
33
Excellent bench guy for a contender. He's ready today.
Jun 19th 2023
103
Jalen Wilson
Jun 14th 2023
34
Role player potential. Could just be a good college player.
Jun 21st 2023
105
Amari Bailey
Jun 14th 2023
35
Like the potential at PG for his age, even if he's a work in progress.
Jun 21st 2023
106
Trayce Jackson-Davis
Jun 14th 2023
36
Terrific value *in the right system.*
Jun 21st 2023
107
Second round/undrafted guys I like:
Jun 21st 2023
108
Lundy and Miller just get it done, love their games.
Jun 21st 2023
109

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