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35. "My two cents"
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>I've had all these questions sparked by Striking Vipers:
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>1. Who did you think was gay in the ep? Dany, Kyle, Both,
>Neither
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I didn't think either was gay. Heteroflexible maybe but probably their queerness is just limited to each other.

Maybe this is just me and I'm viewing this episode as someone mildly queer (heteroflexible). But I think there's a sexual aspect to most same-sex relationships. Not necessarily in the sense that the other fantasizes about the other (although I have thought about kissing some of my friends before) but I notice if my male friend is taking care of their body, if they are more attractive than me, if they are a good dresser, if they are charming, etc.
Sometimes I may say they're 'well dressed' or even, 'I think he could date my sister / friend', which isn't erotic by any stretch but it is acknowledging my friend's sexuality.

And also the kind of love that comes from same-sex relationships can get pretty deep and deep love sometimes can come out in ways beyond what is common in same-sex relationships (think Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas kissing before games).

I've never had sex with a man but sometimes I think about it and have thought if I would want to have sex with a friend or a stranger.

It seems in this case the writer just took the leap that underneath their real, deep bond was a desire to intertwine themselves on another level. At least for Carl, the sex was a way to deepen his fondness for Danny. Maybe Danny felt closer to Carl as well, even if their bond wasn't enough for him to throw chaos into his waking life.

The gap between their real relationship and their cyber one was like the difference between the type of woman (or man) someone would really date and the type of woman (or man) they would view in porn. Most of the women in the porn I watch I would never date in real life but in that fantasy world that 'type' works. In my case one doesn't bleed into the other. Maybe Carl and Danny were the same way, although their friendship added complications.

But the question of 'who are we?' can be brought up?

Are we simply our bodies and biology? Is there something more spiritual or emotional which is our essence?

Maybe Carl fell for Danny's essence in a way which he couldn't access when Carl was with Danny in the flesh.

I thought it was bold of Danny to meet Carl in public after the game. He seemed more emotionally responsible than Carl, likely because he was married. So, he wanted to at least be honest with himself and see if the feelings between them needed to be played out in real life.


>2. What if it was a Computer Controlling the other avatar,
>would Dany be cheating?
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>3. What if a Random Girl was controlling the other avatar, is
>it cheating?
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>4. What if it was a Girl Dany knew? is it cheating?
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>5. What if it's a girl was controlling a guy avatar, is it
>gay and cheating?
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>6. What if Dany was sexting with a computer AI, is it
>cheating?
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>7. What if Dany sexting with a girl he knew, is it cheating?
>Duh
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>8. What if Dany was sexting with someone who was playing the
>role of a girl, but he knew it was a guy on the other end,
>would it be gay and/or cheating?
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I would think of any of these as 'cheating' (maybe sexting) but Danny would be putting his intimate emotions in the hands of someone (something) else and that's a slight violation of the trust of Theo. But I would think of it like porn in that way. It's not quite cheating but then again you probably would need to talk about it with your partner first to get the go ahead.
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>9. What if your boy got in a lifelike girl body suit that
>looked like a real-life girl and you had sex with it, would
>that be gay? (swear to Ja my wife asked me this one too).
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I guess this would be like having sex with a trans-woman. The woman's sex would be female so the sex would be hetero. At least in my mind.


But yeah this was a great episode. Especially since the men were Black men. There aren't really many mainstream shows which I have seen which really delved into the dynamic of Black male friendships much less same-sex sexual relationships between Black men.

Also, what did you think of the fact that the characters in the were Asian? I thought the racial difference was a direction the writers were going to explore.

And I liked that Carl's avatar touched on the difference between sex as a male and as a female. I've always thought women enjoyed sex more than men, at least when you watch them orgasm.

  

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Black Mirror Season 5 [View all] , bwood, Wed May-15-19 06:06 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Cant wait!!!
May 15th 2019
1
RE: Cant wait!!!
May 15th 2019
2
      RE: Cant wait!!!
May 16th 2019
3
oh yes
May 16th 2019
4
First episode, Striking Vipers, is fucked up
Jun 05th 2019
5
def wasnt what I was expecting.
Jun 05th 2019
6
Thematically wild, but I just couldn't suspend my disbelief
Jun 05th 2019
7
RE: Thematically wild, but I just couldn't suspend my disbelief
Jun 06th 2019
9
      Nikki Beharie is still fine AF. Good to see her post Sleepy Hollow
Jun 10th 2019
13
           I think that part gets lost in the shock value of sex Tekken
Jun 25th 2019
41
                100% agree.
Jun 26th 2019
43
that was a wild ep, looking forward to the other 2
Jun 06th 2019
10
Moriarty KILLED it
Jun 05th 2019
8
just watched I Am Mother on Netflix
Jun 07th 2019
11
they def mailed these in.
Jun 07th 2019
12
none were great. smithereens was probably my favorite of the 3
Jun 17th 2019
25
ever since USS callister this series has gone to shit.
Jun 11th 2019
14
1st ep in, I'm surprised at the reaction here
Jun 11th 2019
15
also I thought it was funny that
Jun 11th 2019
16
it just didn't make any sense
Jun 12th 2019
19
      think about it
Jun 12th 2019
20
      i took it as there was attraction on some level
Jun 17th 2019
24
           I agree with this, they had a strong friendship attachment before this
Jun 25th 2019
42
Smithereens was the best episode of the season.
Jun 11th 2019
17
I found it to be "meh". Wasn't anything especially Black Mirror about i...
Jun 24th 2019
40
I didn't mind "Rachel, Jack and Ashley Too"
Jun 11th 2019
18
Havent finished this one yet, but get that money Trent Reznor, lol
Jun 14th 2019
21
finished. The Miley Cyrus episode was AWFUL
Jun 17th 2019
22
The tech infused with consciousness felt BM (spoilers)
Jun 17th 2019
23
felt more like an 80s ET kock off style family adventure movie
Jun 17th 2019
26
Yeah, I think it was made for 15 year old girls.
Jun 18th 2019
34
I didn't realize until after it was a shot at Disney
Jun 23rd 2019
37
Striking VIpers is an uncomfortable return to Black Mirror Form
Jun 17th 2019
27
To be clear, I didn't take any offense from the episode
Jun 17th 2019
28
      I feel like that's overthinking it a little.
Jun 17th 2019
29
      My dude, your complaint about a sci-fi show boils down to...
Jun 18th 2019
30
The questions created by Striking Vipers (Spoilers)
Jun 18th 2019
31
RE: The questions created by Striking Vipers (Spoilers)
Jun 18th 2019
32
Interesting. Are you a gamer?
Jun 18th 2019
33
      It's cool the episode made people think about this stuff.
Jun 23rd 2019
36
      Your takes are valid
Jun 24th 2019
38
      The racial subtext was dope.
Jun 24th 2019
39
Striking Vipers was the most interesting
Jun 28th 2019
44
Season 6!!!
Jun 16th 2023
45

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