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27. "Striking VIpers is an uncomfortable return to Black Mirror Form"
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It was a classic episode because it was a straight fucks with your head and make you think about new scenarios of how human interactions can be complicated by new technology.

It was Hella uncomfortable to watch with my wife which I think is the point.

The fact is I found it completely relatable for a man in a 10+ year marriage to a beautiful woman feeling old, tired and not completely happy. And then have your boy who never settled down showing you pictures of his latest conquest. That shit had me looking up who the writer was to make sure it was Chalie Booker and not somebody I know living it.

And then me and my brother was just talking about that friend who we use to play video games with that was way over the top with his oversexualize shit talking that made everyone uncomfortable while playing Madden ("I'm about to bend you over and give it to you" "brah, chill").

The show had us doing all sorts of theorizing. My theory is that Karl is indeed gay and repressed his love for his boy and really setup the whole scenario to make a run at his boy. Watch the first scene again when they played 11 years ago. He gave him the game. He made the first move on him. He said he loved him. Doesn't matter he said the kiss didn't do anything for him, Dany said it didn't first.

I think the Dany character wasn't gay though. From his perspective he was always making love to a woman. He was frustrated though (catch him staring at that girls crack) because he was older, less in shape and was wide open for some strange...even if his boy was controlling the other avatar.

The episode left us with all sorts of questions:

1. Was it cheating? Would it have been better if the other character was controlled by a computer? By a female gamer? Was the wife able to live with it because it was his boy and not some strange woman?

2. Was Karl truly gay? Or was he just gender fluid and in love with Danny?

3. What does Gender men when you can pick any body you want? Including Polar Bear?

4. Was the wife actually f*cking other people or did she just like being picked up at bars by random guys? Were they both into their own form of virtual play?


As I would imagine, the folks most "offended" by this episode are gamers. It could be interpreted as suggesting some homoeroticism underlying gaming.

It's funny the way that gamers have criticized the episode have been with the very narrow view that type of off-script play would be impossible. I think Nodima said it here and presumably someone paid this guy to make the same argument here:

https://www.thewrap.com/why-the-striking-vipers-black-mirror-episode-video-game-makes-no-sense-street-fighter/

That seems like a narrow view. It's new technology and as we already see with Porn and VR, sex will drive adoption and new use cases.

If anything is unbelievable, it's not that people would find ways to have sex in video games but rather everyone wouldn't know that's how people are using the game. If this sort of sex were possible in VR games, it would be widespread as soon as it is figured out and there would be facebook posts telling women to watch there man while playing Striking Vipers X.

I don't think it was implied that Dany and Karl were the first to discover sex in the game, but Dany's wife didn't show any suspicion that what Dany could be up to was not necessarily an IRL affair but an online affair.

Anyway, I thought it was a really good episode because it had a brother thinking hard about what the technology says about the people who are using it and it's uncomfortable to think about. That's Black Mirror at its best.

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Black Mirror Season 5 [View all] , bwood, Wed May-15-19 06:06 AM
 
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Cant wait!!!
May 15th 2019
1
RE: Cant wait!!!
May 15th 2019
2
      RE: Cant wait!!!
May 16th 2019
3
oh yes
May 16th 2019
4
First episode, Striking Vipers, is fucked up
Jun 05th 2019
5
def wasnt what I was expecting.
Jun 05th 2019
6
Thematically wild, but I just couldn't suspend my disbelief
Jun 05th 2019
7
RE: Thematically wild, but I just couldn't suspend my disbelief
Jun 06th 2019
9
      Nikki Beharie is still fine AF. Good to see her post Sleepy Hollow
Jun 10th 2019
13
           I think that part gets lost in the shock value of sex Tekken
Jun 25th 2019
41
                100% agree.
Jun 26th 2019
43
that was a wild ep, looking forward to the other 2
Jun 06th 2019
10
Moriarty KILLED it
Jun 05th 2019
8
just watched I Am Mother on Netflix
Jun 07th 2019
11
they def mailed these in.
Jun 07th 2019
12
none were great. smithereens was probably my favorite of the 3
Jun 17th 2019
25
ever since USS callister this series has gone to shit.
Jun 11th 2019
14
1st ep in, I'm surprised at the reaction here
Jun 11th 2019
15
also I thought it was funny that
Jun 11th 2019
16
it just didn't make any sense
Jun 12th 2019
19
      think about it
Jun 12th 2019
20
      i took it as there was attraction on some level
Jun 17th 2019
24
           I agree with this, they had a strong friendship attachment before this
Jun 25th 2019
42
Smithereens was the best episode of the season.
Jun 11th 2019
17
I found it to be "meh". Wasn't anything especially Black Mirror about i...
Jun 24th 2019
40
I didn't mind "Rachel, Jack and Ashley Too"
Jun 11th 2019
18
Havent finished this one yet, but get that money Trent Reznor, lol
Jun 14th 2019
21
finished. The Miley Cyrus episode was AWFUL
Jun 17th 2019
22
The tech infused with consciousness felt BM (spoilers)
Jun 17th 2019
23
felt more like an 80s ET kock off style family adventure movie
Jun 17th 2019
26
Yeah, I think it was made for 15 year old girls.
Jun 18th 2019
34
I didn't realize until after it was a shot at Disney
Jun 23rd 2019
37
To be clear, I didn't take any offense from the episode
Jun 17th 2019
28
      I feel like that's overthinking it a little.
Jun 17th 2019
29
      My dude, your complaint about a sci-fi show boils down to...
Jun 18th 2019
30
The questions created by Striking Vipers (Spoilers)
Jun 18th 2019
31
RE: The questions created by Striking Vipers (Spoilers)
Jun 18th 2019
32
Interesting. Are you a gamer?
Jun 18th 2019
33
My two cents
Jun 23rd 2019
35
      It's cool the episode made people think about this stuff.
Jun 23rd 2019
36
      Your takes are valid
Jun 24th 2019
38
      The racial subtext was dope.
Jun 24th 2019
39
Striking Vipers was the most interesting
Jun 28th 2019
44
Season 6!!!
Jun 16th 2023
45

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