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48. "I get the hate, but it all seems to come from a place of faith (HOV!)"
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Thu Sep-15-22 05:29 AM by Nodima



I have almost zero opinion on his performance other than I love how much people seem compelled to talk about it but this seems like a lot. A rap guy that rapped about getting rich and became more popular than anybody raps about his thoughts on becoming (stupidly!) rich despite nagging memories that, and yea this kinda sucks, at best makes him endlessly fascinated by the business man turned rapper to clean his coke money trope.

I'm admittedly far from the "modern Jay is trash" train. I'll admit that every verse post, say, Kingdom Come definitely demands skepticism, but aside from 4:44 (which I thought was great, though I admit I already found the Lemonade album to be cynical so I also heard 4:44 as a baseline capitalist rebuttal far more than, y'know, married couple works their shit out through pop music) bucking everything I just said in the parenthetical to be one of the more interesting, honest albums in all of Old Guy Rap I think Jay usually kinda gets this and it's why he does guest verses so sparingly.

Though if that sounds generous, I do see that Jay often misunderstands caricature'd performances of his longest tenured fans' deepest cutting satire for what he views as insights from on high that break class barriers. I appreciate that his insane class ascension pretty much demands he see his raps that way, if he insists on doing it as sparingly and with such pomp as he does.

(And why not? I'd love to be as baseline decent as he is at a job he hasn't taken seriously for over a decade while making hand-over-fist-money in another field I never had any business being in. Shit is wild.)

But when I hear these verses, sometimes I can't help but get the feeling that deep down he's trying to make a point that's not only Deeper Than Rap © or bigger than himself, he's just trying to be big Unc outside the bodega...and to me it's so misdirected by his insistence on dropping these verses for status quo rappers over status quo beats.

If he really wanted to turn his catalog into a gallery he should be spotlighting Standing on the Corner, billy woods, JPEGMafia, Milo/R.A.P. Ferreira, hell just buy up and champion all the shit that never got its due while the Roc, Bad Boy and Ruff Ryders were shuffle-stepping all over cooler shit. The dude has proven again and again that he has great taste (despite actually signing many mid talents) but he's content to go where the ears already are rather than make them find him.

Whenever a guy like Jay tries to make a try-hard verse like this (that, again, I like, for better or worse) become the highlight of a DJ Khaled album, to me it just spotlights how many other artists who are ACTUALLY ARTISTS, would benefit from the sort of attention this kind of performance gets. Obviously the "God Did" prompt provoked something in Jay and props to Khaled for that (as long as you care about the verse, or the attention it's provoked), but he clearly still has enough fun rapping that I doubt he needs inspiration as lofty as Khaled's "keys open doors" weaponizing of aspirational, mega-church religiosity.

Sometimes when I hear something like this, or "Neck & Wrist" (which I felt was way more facetiously impressive until you locked the words in) I can't help but feel bad for the dude. I still enjoy hearing him rap but he should probably stop, because his history in the game itself clashes with his status in life in such a way that the only people that can relate to what he's trying to say are such abstract monsters.

I'm not in the "grown man Jay sucks" camp either, necessarily. But this WAS a dude who solidified his fame outside of the east coast with the line "Let 'em play with the dick in the truck" while letting Bun B anchor an insanely expensive music video with yachts and more models than any shiesty EP would ever pay in full. You'd like to think he'd do more with his money, status, and clearly undiminished passion for rapping to do more than float the status quo.

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DJ Khaled - GOD DID ft. Rick Ross, Lil Wayne, HOV (nas lost) [View all] , thegodcam, Fri Aug-26-22 11:37 AM
Subject Author Message Date ID
Aug 26th 2022
Not worth the hype at all.
Aug 26th 2022
straight huff.
Aug 26th 2022
Same ol Jay self preservation rhymes/punchlines
Aug 26th 2022
Aug 26th 2022
Aug 29th 2022
How is Khaled still relevant?
Aug 26th 2022
listening the the whole song Ross' voice goes the best with that beat...
Aug 26th 2022
I only listen to/appreciate rappers who make less money than
Aug 26th 2022
i love okp man lmao
Aug 26th 2022
based on the (nas lost) in the title...
Aug 26th 2022
nah he always say that
Aug 26th 2022
I’m saying…I’ve heard nothing but rave reviews on this joint all
Aug 26th 2022
people have differing opinions on hip hop, you don’t say?
Aug 27th 2022
Hov went in.. but the rest of the album
Aug 30th 2022
      I'm bumping JID too
Sep 01st 2022
           I love JID so much
Sep 07th 2022
                Me too. Album is flames.
Sep 08th 2022
The irony is - that why the site was named “Okay….Player🙄”
Aug 28th 2022
Aug 26th 2022
Wayne will be 40Y.O. in a month, and he's the youngest person on this tr...
Aug 27th 2022
Just here to celebrate Wayne reaching 40
Aug 28th 2022
Aug 27th 2022
Someone said Khaled albums are
Aug 27th 2022
Nas on The Truth is far beyond this Jay verse
Aug 27th 2022
I’ll die on whatever hill Nas lost on
Aug 28th 2022
pretty sure that's the joke.
Aug 30th 2022
As much as I hate to say it....
Aug 29th 2022
Khalid beats are such trash. Just overwrought.
Aug 29th 2022
Did you just describe most modern music???
Aug 29th 2022
LMAO @ that shot at Nas.
Aug 29th 2022
cant belee Im saying this but this album is good!
Aug 30th 2022
I prefer the new "Elephant Man's Bones" Roc Marci joint tbh
Aug 30th 2022
Breakdown With Young Guru
Sep 01st 2022
of course he gonna gas up Hov. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Sep 01st 2022
      verse is 🔥
Sep 08th 2022
God didnt
Sep 01st 2022
did that sound like a Nipsey flow/cadence?
Sep 03rd 2022
35 okp
Sep 03rd 2022
Jay Z: They start inventing words like "capitalist"
Sep 08th 2022
Refusing to accept he’s evolved is as dumb as you think he is
Sep 08th 2022
      There's no good in it. And the revolutionaries he's constantly comparing...
Sep 08th 2022
      And furthermore, I said what the fuck I meant. Ain't no blind condescens...
Sep 08th 2022
I think it's cool how Ye got all these rappers dabbling in God now....
Sep 08th 2022
Yeah, even the rapper who has called himself HOVA for 20 years
Sep 08th 2022
      LOL *Mero voice*
Sep 15th 2022
🤮 one of the worst things i've heard in a long time..
Sep 08th 2022
      I just heard Big Pimpin the other day.. beat is fire.
Sep 15th 2022

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