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ShinNy
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"I hope you read the beginning part of my post because I said that it all depends on how you define civilization. At what point do you say humans went from uncivilized to civilized? I see a major dilemma in that alone. To this day, archaeologists cannot agree upon what defines an empire from a state from territorial state and so forth. To tell you the truth, there is no easy definition because each civilization is unique and to identify cross cultural similarities that you can then say "this is what defines X" is practically impossible. For instance some scholars say having a written language is a necessity for a centralized state or empire, however the Inca Empire which was very succesful and larger than the Roman Empire did not have a system of writing. Therefore to say the Inca were not an empire due to not having this specification would be a grave mistake."

Understandably frustrating too....because you have very few Black African authors (Diop, Obenga, and a few others) that can stand up to what so-called archaeologists can "come up with"...I, myself have a hard time trying to figure out what "method" to go by when it comes to the ancestors...I know better than to go by what some so-called "Egyptologists" say...although, very few of them will admit somethings...

With my thoughts somewhat in congruence with yours...as far as the standpoint on "this is what defines X"...no date (that is given) is absolutely accurate...but, at times, we'll try and approximate...except here...

"But the dates for the Akkadian empire are correct. Like I said, the earliest Egyptian pharoahs date back from 3000 B.C. which is before the Akkadian Empire. However, the political makeup of Egypt at that time (Old Kingdom) was very different from the New Kingdom time. The reason for the succesful unification of Upper and Lower Egypt is that there was strong cultural unity along the Nile and had been for some time."

I agree with this too...Menes (Narmer) was the first Pharaoh of Dynastic Kemet(Egypt)...the thing is, I'm stuck when it comes to pre-dynastic and proto-dynastic...perhaps (and hopefully) LexM will see this post...

But yeah, I see what you're saying...


ShinNy b.k.a....h k -A-g /|_ A \/ h....

  

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the sumerians/the akkadians/the egyptians/the africans... [View all] , urthanheaven, Wed Apr-27-05 02:41 AM
 
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depends upon your definition of civilization....
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RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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      RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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           RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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                ops, i left out your question about the fertile crescent
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                RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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                     RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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How do explain eskimoes in near "artic" areas then
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      can you clarify what you mean?
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           what I mean is the "iceman" theory is wrong
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                RE: what I mean is the "iceman" theory is wrong
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                     the exceptions I pointed out relate to eugenics as opposed to climate
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                          do you know what eugenics is?
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                               my point was, they aren't white people (chinese/asians)
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                                    what about the Ainu people of northern Japan?
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                                         the Ainu people are NOT WHITE PEOPLE, that's my whole point
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                                         they have physical traits associated with "white people"
Apr 30th 2005
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                                         a link about the propoganda you are promoting
Apr 29th 2005
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^^^Someone's been reading their Diop.....
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actually...
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           RE: actually...
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Well Kemet/egypt is a African civilization
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RE: Well Kemet/egypt is a African civilization
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RE: Well Kemet/egypt is a African civilization
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      when was the shephardic dynasty?
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           shephardic dynasties were 13 to 17
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Post Over although I disagree with the terminology "African"
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      Do you disagree with the term "Chinese" when refering to
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      here's the thing though, the word Chin comes from those people
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           RE: here's the thing though, the word Chin comes from those people
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           but you call it "Asia"
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                Wst
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                     Wassat?
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      Okay Alkebulan
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           I want to know how Dr. Ben developed that word
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                He says it is the oldest know name used for
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                     what are his sources for THAT WORD?
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                          i've wondered that myself
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{quote} "I think it would be a good idea."
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RE: the sumerians/the akkadians/the egyptians/the africans...
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c'mon...everyone knows Anglo-Saxons were the first....j/k
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RE: c'mon...everyone knows Anglo-Saxons were the first....j/k
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      they taught you about that in school too?
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You're all over the place...
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RE: You're all over the place...
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      RE: You're all over the place...
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           RE: You're all over the place...
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                Yeah I'm aware of all that...
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