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4. "RE: depends upon your definition of civilization...."
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>meaning whether you are classifying in terms of empire,
>kingdom, city-state, territoy, etc.
>You could back even further than the civilizations you
>mentioned to the time when agriculture first took place in the
>Fertile Crescent. To me, that is what dramatically changed the
>human experience, because up until that point we were
>hunter-gatherers living a nomadic lifestyle.

good point. i'm trying to back up the theory that all civilization, and it's tenets including architechture, astrology, astronomy, religion, government, science and mathematics come from africa and not from sumer's patron giant aliens.

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>The Sumerians weren't an empire, but more like a centralized
>state. Sumerian civilization dates are approxmiately 2900 -
>2350 BC. After Sumer, King Sargon established what many feel
>was technically the first empire. The dates for the Akkadian
>Empire are from 2334 - 2230 BC.
>Egypt didn't become an empire until the new kingdom in which
>it expanded its territory into Nubia and the Levant, however
>the dynastic period of Egypt meaning when we can clearly
>idenity Egyptian pharaohs began around 3000 BC when King
>Narmer unified upper and lower Egypt.
>I'm not sure which African civlizations you are talking about,
>so you're gonna have to be more specific.

it seems like there were several main ones. west africa's mali empire, when did that start? kemet and nubia, i don't offhand know the names of some of the apparently very complex south and central african civilizations, and there is rumor that nubia, which begat khemet was inspired by the twa(?) people who are supposedly the ancestors of modern bushmen.

europe's claim to a non african (or rather not looking like an african civilization) is the babylonians, the akkadians, the summerians and the assyrians from what i can tell. i'm not even writing my sources as much as looking for sources to defeat that argument or frame it in the desperate attempts by europe to reframe and revise history to suit their imperial ideals and validate thier accomplishments outside of the role of theft, the out right robbery of africas people land resources and knowledge which backed their exploits.

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>As far as where black, whites, etc came from...we are all the
>same species originating from east Africa 150,000 years ago.
>When Homo sapiens left Africa, they adapted to various
>climates which explains why such variations in appearance took
>place. However, we are all very similar genetically. And yes
>Africans are the oldest populations because there is more
>genetic diversity within the continent of Africa than outside
>of it, meaning Africans have been around the longest and have
>had more time to diversify.

ok so how is this for a theory. once upon a time there was one people born in the fertile lands of africa. as they began to spread out and migrate, a group got caught behind an ice age that changed their appearance and demeanor from one in relation to abundance to one in relation to an over all lack of resources. survival tactics neccessary to exist in such inhospitable climates became enculturated behaviors. eventually this group was reunited with the main body of human kind, but found as they had spent so much time and effort on their survival that they were technologically and civilizationally (not a real word...) behind the rest of human kind. they were taught by proximity and direct intervention the tools of existance in this realm, but thier prevailing attitudes in reference to limited resources made them harsh and war like, troublesome and selfish, putting them in instant conflict with their african counterpart. flash forward 2-5000 years and now you have the current social and geo political climate in which europeans push their advantage almost like they've got some type of long time grudge against africans doing their own thing, or for that matter anyone else.

could this be accurate? could this be why any lighter skinned race, like the arabs of old are so historically vicious to africans? these are all byast blanket statements, and i would like to either be able to back them up or put them to rest.

the struggle continues.

ok

  

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the sumerians/the akkadians/the egyptians/the africans... [View all] , urthanheaven, Wed Apr-27-05 02:41 AM
 
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depends upon your definition of civilization....
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RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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      RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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           RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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                ops, i left out your question about the fertile crescent
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                RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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                     RE: depends upon your definition of civilization....
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How do explain eskimoes in near "artic" areas then
Apr 28th 2005
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      can you clarify what you mean?
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           what I mean is the "iceman" theory is wrong
Apr 28th 2005
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                RE: what I mean is the "iceman" theory is wrong
Apr 28th 2005
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                     the exceptions I pointed out relate to eugenics as opposed to climate
Apr 29th 2005
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                          do you know what eugenics is?
Apr 29th 2005
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                               my point was, they aren't white people (chinese/asians)
Apr 29th 2005
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                                    what about the Ainu people of northern Japan?
Apr 29th 2005
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                                         the Ainu people are NOT WHITE PEOPLE, that's my whole point
Apr 29th 2005
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                                         they have physical traits associated with "white people"
Apr 30th 2005
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                                         a link about the propoganda you are promoting
Apr 29th 2005
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^^^Someone's been reading their Diop.....
Apr 27th 2005
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actually...
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      RE: actually...
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           RE: actually...
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Well Kemet/egypt is a African civilization
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RE: Well Kemet/egypt is a African civilization
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RE: Well Kemet/egypt is a African civilization
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      when was the shephardic dynasty?
Apr 27th 2005
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           shephardic dynasties were 13 to 17
Apr 27th 2005
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Post Over although I disagree with the terminology "African"
Apr 28th 2005
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      Do you disagree with the term "Chinese" when refering to
Apr 28th 2005
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      here's the thing though, the word Chin comes from those people
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           RE: here's the thing though, the word Chin comes from those people
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           but you call it "Asia"
Apr 28th 2005
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                Wst
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                     Wassat?
Apr 28th 2005
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      Okay Alkebulan
Apr 28th 2005
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           I want to know how Dr. Ben developed that word
Apr 29th 2005
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                He says it is the oldest know name used for
Apr 29th 2005
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                     what are his sources for THAT WORD?
Apr 30th 2005
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                          i've wondered that myself
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{quote} "I think it would be a good idea."
Apr 27th 2005
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RE: the sumerians/the akkadians/the egyptians/the africans...
Apr 27th 2005
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c'mon...everyone knows Anglo-Saxons were the first....j/k
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RE: c'mon...everyone knows Anglo-Saxons were the first....j/k
Apr 28th 2005
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      they taught you about that in school too?
Apr 29th 2005
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You're all over the place...
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RE: You're all over the place...
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      RE: You're all over the place...
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           RE: You're all over the place...
May 03rd 2005
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                Yeah I'm aware of all that...
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