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"Towards a class based movement against racism and sexism"


  

          

I originally wrote this as a response to someone in another post about affirmitive action (AA) after he commented on my suggestion that perhaps AA should be class and income based rather than race and gender based. I essentially argue that we, in fact, don't want AA to benefit black people and women who are already in the middle or upper class, regardless of how small their numbers are. Moreover, we should know by now that people of colour and women who are already well off in society are automatically favoured in AA programs because owners and administrators would rather give a job, position or spot in school to people they perceive as well-to-do comparitively.

Anyway, here is my response to a person on this board who doesn't quite agree with me. I want this as a new thread because I believe it is an important topic for us all to consider and I wanted other people to get involved. I want people to ask themselves, "What's class got to do with it?" Thanks, here it is...

Okay, now this is a discussion! See, I have to agree and disagree with you at the same time. I completely agree that the ruling class is overwhelmingly white but that is not the same thing as saying that the the majority of whites are members of the ruling class? You dig? My point is that despite the whiteness of the ruling population, the majority of white people in this world are struggling workers and I know that this is a difficult concept for a lot of people to accept. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not running to whitey's defense and I certainly understand the impact of white privelege, even within the working class. However, the point is that ALL workers, whether white or black or yellow or brown, all share the same fundemental interests in society. Once again, don't get me wrong I know that black people have interests that whites do not have such as not being viewed as lessers in society. But, even then, as workers (AS WORKERS) have like interests in that they are all deprived of control over what they produce in society as well as over control of their own lives in general.

This leads to my next point. You said that the creation of a class system, in our case capitalism, has nothing to do with racism. Sure, we live under an highly exploitative and racist system but the motive of this system's being is not white superiority. White superiority is an OUTCOME (rather than a motivating factor) of class relations where the majority of one race (say, black) are producers while the majority of owners of productive wealth are of another race (ie, white). But notice how I am careful to explain that the majority of the owning class is white rather than the majority of whites being owners of productive wealth.

Further, class systems have existed the world over, well before the white man conquested anything. In the region we now know as Rwanda, prior to Euro conquest, Hutu and Tutsi were class significations that determined that a Tutsi was one who owned land and cattle and a Hutu owned little of value. However, these groups did not have much conflict until Europeans arrived and immediately favoured the owning-class of Tutsis. In fact, the white man wasn't anything in the global sphere until they arrived in the Americas and accumulated all sorts of wealth in gold and silver. Prior to this the Abbasids, the Mughal Empire, the Dynasties of China, the Ummayads, and so on were the imperialist forces of the world that, by the way, were not one bit peaceful. So, the problem is not one of race but race is certainly an important problem.

The reason I favor class as a nucleas to fight in favour of race and gender struggles has to do with the way people are exploited. Black people, historically, have been exploited not as anything other than a means of producing wealth for a ruling class of whites, however I must repeat that this ruling class is no more than 10 to 20 percent(generously speaking) of the entire white population. Likewise, even though it has been conducted in different manners, white workers have also been exploited by the white ruling class as producers of wealth. That is a strong connection to make.

Despite the similar interests that white and black workers have, the fact that these groups have experienced class exploitation in a such profoundly different ways throughout history serves to distort and obscure their common oppression. I think white labour leaders, as well as many postmodern and postcolonial theorists, are to blame. White labour leaders, it must be said, have historically alienated women and people of colour in the labour movement. I think, however, that many advances have been made in our collective consciousness where it is possible, if we work together as working class people with similar interests, to consolidate our numbers against the ruling class by developing a strong working peoples movement that with women and people of colour at the front of our conscious development.

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Towards a class based movement against racism and sexism [View all] , Pinko_Panther, Wed Feb-23-05 01:32 PM
 
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it should be a combination of both race and class
Feb 23rd 2005
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exactly, my thoughts in a minute.
Feb 23rd 2005
2
RE: it should be a combination of both race and class
Feb 23rd 2005
3
people forget AA was designed for gender too
Apr 08th 2005
40
How would this directly speak to the plight of the
Feb 23rd 2005
4
RE: How would this directly speak to the plight of the
Feb 24th 2005
5
yup. Russians got along with Ukrainians just fine.
Feb 24th 2005
7
One point!
Feb 25th 2005
16
i think racism is definitely a great tool to oppress ...
Feb 24th 2005
9
Opression is a tool of advantage.
Feb 24th 2005
12
true, but my point was more about...
Feb 24th 2005
13
RE: i think racism is definitely a great tool to oppress ...
Feb 25th 2005
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n/m
Apr 08th 2005
41
RE: How would this directly speak to the plight of the
Feb 25th 2005
14
      I believe pure socialism is a farse.
Feb 26th 2005
21
           Please, just show me that you are at least trying to focus...
Feb 26th 2005
22
                Interesting...
Feb 26th 2005
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                     RE: Interesting...
Feb 28th 2005
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                          nah man.
Mar 01st 2005
26
                          What protestianism rejected Greed!?
Mar 01st 2005
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                               RE: What protestianism rejected Greed!?
Mar 01st 2005
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                               What happened here?
Apr 06th 2005
34
                               who, me? I thought it was done.
Apr 08th 2005
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                                    RE: who, me? I thought it was done.
Apr 08th 2005
38
                                         well damn. lol....my bad.
Apr 08th 2005
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                               RE: What protestianism rejected Greed!?
Apr 07th 2005
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                               RE: What protestianism rejected Greed!?
Mar 01st 2005
30
ok so that's what you all think about race
Feb 24th 2005
6
for gender and race relations...
Feb 24th 2005
10
Selma James' work is also useful...
Feb 25th 2005
18
The Wobblies were some decent cats...
Apr 06th 2005
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RE: ok so that's what you all think about race
Feb 25th 2005
15
Don't just blame white labor unions
Feb 24th 2005
8
I don't think I disagree with you but...
Feb 25th 2005
19
Devil's Advocate
Feb 24th 2005
11
What a great question!!
Feb 25th 2005
20
Globalization.........
Mar 03rd 2005
32
mmm
Mar 03rd 2005
33
great post....
Feb 26th 2005
24
i appreciate the worker thing
Mar 01st 2005
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RE: i appreciate the worker thing
Apr 11th 2005
44
Up
Mar 03rd 2005
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The real question is...
Apr 08th 2005
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RE: The real question is...
Apr 08th 2005
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      RE: The real question is...
Apr 11th 2005
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