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First of all, no where in my last statement did I mention anything about socialism -nowhere! Sure, I am a socialist but could you at least wait until that comes up before you decide that you are going to base your whole counter argument on it?

Second you make such strong claims about this phenomenon you call "human nature". Human nature arguments are write off statements for people who don't want to think something through. Personally, I don't believe that there is such a thing as human nature. History has shown us that we behave according to our social structures. There are as many examples of cooperation and unity as there is for division and conflict. In a society where the dogmatic view of human beings is one of individualism and accumulation through greed and competition we are going to have greedy and competitive people. These are learned behaviours not natural ones. If you don't believe me then tell me why 14 hour work days were acceptable 100 years ago but we would regard such a work day with disgust today? Why did American society believe slavery was acceptable 200 years ago but is deplored today? Why weren't women allowed to vote at the turn of the 20th century but now they can? Could these changes possibly have anything to do with the consciousness of people changing as we have collectively fought for them and rearranged the way we live our lives?

Your little claim about humans being nothing but mere animals is as equally unprofound. First of all, if we are the same as most animals, most species of animals do not survive at the expense of other animals within their species. Most animals cooperate for survival. Furthermore, human beings are different from other animals for the sheer fact that we consciously produce things whereas other animals produce instinctively. How many wolves have programmed computers? How many lions have built enormous bridges across large bodies of water?

If what you are attempting to say is true then why even struggle for racial unity? If someone is going to eff things up for everyone else, then surely this applies to the black movement and the womens movement too, no? Why should we reject the war in Iraq? Hell, by your logic Bush is the perfect person in power! Heil frickin Hitler! Come to think of it, I remember you once said that you were once quite a republican. I can see why, the logic is still there.

>It claims to eliminate differences and societal evils and
>level the playing field. The problem is human nature.
>People will always seek adavantage and group together based
>on that. We are animals. There is no escaping that. Sure
>we are responsible fo our thoughts and actions, and so what?
> In the end someone will eff up the system. I'd rather have
>my bs right up front where I can see it.
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Towards a class based movement against racism and sexism [View all] , Pinko_Panther, Wed Feb-23-05 01:32 PM
 
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it should be a combination of both race and class
Feb 23rd 2005
1
exactly, my thoughts in a minute.
Feb 23rd 2005
2
RE: it should be a combination of both race and class
Feb 23rd 2005
3
people forget AA was designed for gender too
Apr 08th 2005
40
How would this directly speak to the plight of the
Feb 23rd 2005
4
RE: How would this directly speak to the plight of the
Feb 24th 2005
5
yup. Russians got along with Ukrainians just fine.
Feb 24th 2005
7
One point!
Feb 25th 2005
16
i think racism is definitely a great tool to oppress ...
Feb 24th 2005
9
Opression is a tool of advantage.
Feb 24th 2005
12
true, but my point was more about...
Feb 24th 2005
13
RE: i think racism is definitely a great tool to oppress ...
Feb 25th 2005
17
n/m
Apr 08th 2005
41
RE: How would this directly speak to the plight of the
Feb 25th 2005
14
      I believe pure socialism is a farse.
Feb 26th 2005
21
          
                Interesting...
Feb 26th 2005
23
                     RE: Interesting...
Feb 28th 2005
25
                          nah man.
Mar 01st 2005
26
                          What protestianism rejected Greed!?
Mar 01st 2005
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                               RE: What protestianism rejected Greed!?
Mar 01st 2005
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                               What happened here?
Apr 06th 2005
34
                               who, me? I thought it was done.
Apr 08th 2005
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                                    RE: who, me? I thought it was done.
Apr 08th 2005
38
                                         well damn. lol....my bad.
Apr 08th 2005
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                               RE: What protestianism rejected Greed!?
Apr 07th 2005
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                               RE: What protestianism rejected Greed!?
Mar 01st 2005
30
ok so that's what you all think about race
Feb 24th 2005
6
for gender and race relations...
Feb 24th 2005
10
Selma James' work is also useful...
Feb 25th 2005
18
The Wobblies were some decent cats...
Apr 06th 2005
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RE: ok so that's what you all think about race
Feb 25th 2005
15
Don't just blame white labor unions
Feb 24th 2005
8
I don't think I disagree with you but...
Feb 25th 2005
19
Devil's Advocate
Feb 24th 2005
11
What a great question!!
Feb 25th 2005
20
Globalization.........
Mar 03rd 2005
32
mmm
Mar 03rd 2005
33
great post....
Feb 26th 2005
24
i appreciate the worker thing
Mar 01st 2005
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RE: i appreciate the worker thing
Apr 11th 2005
44
Up
Mar 03rd 2005
31
The real question is...
Apr 08th 2005
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RE: The real question is...
Apr 08th 2005
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      RE: The real question is...
Apr 11th 2005
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