>firebrand is wrong - every so-called communist state that >has ever existed has to my knowledge been horribly >oppressive and as it seems the norm these days to describe >it, unfree (though I'm not sure exactly what thats supposed >to mean). The fact is no true communist state has ever >existed, not Russia, not China, not Cuba, nowhere - just to >clarify.
whenever i argue against communism i encounter to different arguements which maked it difficult because i spend half my time trying to figure out where that person is coming from.
if there hasnt been a true communist state ever then proponents of communism are argueing ideals rather than evidence that it would work better than our current systems. which of course throws the debate in circles.