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51. "Not quite there."
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>does not an egyptian consensus make. ya'll all try to act
>like you're so objective and what not and then here you go
>running off to the presses just cuz someone in egypt said
>something you like to hear. hilarious.

No, Einstein, this is a discussion board. This is not the forum to gauge a "consensus." Even if it was, a mythical "consensus" in many cases in unhelpful for an understanding of a region's history, because Egypt in particular, is a place with a fragmented history, to the extent that distortion and myths have had to be sifted through for centuries. Contrary to popular belief, myth is hardly relagated to "afrocentricity" as you all have labelled it.

In the case of American History, there are few "consensus" views we can agree on. Same with WWII. Same with the current Iraq situation. "Consensus" tells us nothing about "correctness." Consensus is simly the understand that the majority of the people in a society ascribe to. If "consensus" were synonymous with "truth" then creationism, for example, would be a fact. Only a minority of people, natural scientists, truly understand evolutionary theory. Their view is by no means "consensus," it is just "correct."

Now to this conversation, the reason why people are intrigued by Sopdet's commentary is that rarely do we interact with a native Egyptian who makes such claims, and defends them as Sopdet does consistently. Her claims, are for the most point, absolutley true. The Sub-Saharan and hamitic myths HAVE ravaged the history of that region. The truth is that the vast majority of modern Egyptians ARE descedents of invaders, not the people indigenous to the land. This is rarely discussed in academia, even in circles around Egyptian ethnic history. I actually want her to write a book on the topic, because the sources she cites, are sound, but fragmented. One of Sopdet's strategies, a good one, is that often cites the work of racists, and points out that underneath the racist grand interpretations, is excellent research, with data that can be used for better purposes.

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ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"??? [View all] , southphillyman, Mon Dec-15-03 07:31 PM
 
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Gotta do the reading.
Dec 15th 2003
1
RE: Gotta do the reading.
Dec 16th 2003
14
LOL
Dec 16th 2003
18
RE: Gotta do the reading.
Dec 17th 2003
27
      thanks for sharing this
Dec 24th 2003
63
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 15th 2003
2
they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 16th 2003
3
We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 17th 2003
28
RE: We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 19th 2003
41
      RE: We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 19th 2003
42
RE: they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 17th 2003
32
      RE: they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 17th 2003
35
alot are mix of black and Arab...check the kinky hair
Dec 16th 2003
4
RE: alot are mix of black and Arab...check the kinky ha
Dec 17th 2003
26
      umm of course.....
Dec 17th 2003
34
      much like
Dec 22nd 2003
49
I always thought of them as "Black"
Dec 16th 2003
5
ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 16th 2003
8
      RE: ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 16th 2003
13
      RE: ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 17th 2003
29
Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
6
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
7
not skinny enough to be considered black?
Dec 16th 2003
9
RE: not skinny enough to be considered black?
Dec 17th 2003
20
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
16
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
19
RE: Honestly...
Dec 17th 2003
31
thousands of years and many influences/events separate
Dec 16th 2003
10
Right!
Dec 16th 2003
11
depends on ancestry
Dec 16th 2003
12
RIGHT !!!
Dec 17th 2003
21
In the simplest terms..........
Dec 16th 2003
15
RE: In the simplest terms..........
Dec 17th 2003
33
The black ones are.
Dec 16th 2003
17
good answer....for real.
Dec 20th 2003
45
such an American question
Dec 17th 2003
22
RE: such an American question
Dec 17th 2003
23
Wow
Dec 17th 2003
24
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 17th 2003
25
so true
Dec 17th 2003
30
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 17th 2003
36
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 17th 2003
38
very true
Dec 19th 2003
43
      one egyptian's opinion
Dec 22nd 2003
50
          
                my point
Dec 23rd 2003
57
                     You have no point, imbecile.
Dec 23rd 2003
60
                     disagree with what?
Dec 24th 2003
64
Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 17th 2003
37
RE: Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 17th 2003
39
RE: Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 25th 2003
66
.
Dec 17th 2003
40
some are, some are not.
Dec 19th 2003
44
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 21st 2003
46
how do you know if you have black blood or not?
Dec 21st 2003
47
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS
Dec 22nd 2003
48
are u nuts?
Dec 22nd 2003
52
      RE: are u nuts?
Dec 22nd 2003
53
           again, are you nuts?
Dec 23rd 2003
56
I've always read that they were more Mediterranean
Dec 22nd 2003
54
RE: I've always read that they were more Mediterranean
Jan 04th 2004
67
wouldn't they vary like anywhere else?
Dec 23rd 2003
55
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Dec 23rd 2003
58
haha
Dec 24th 2003
62
      lol
Jan 04th 2004
69
north africa is a zone of convergence
Dec 23rd 2003
59
RE: from what i know...
Dec 23rd 2003
61
yes
Dec 24th 2003
65
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Jan 04th 2004
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