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In Morocco there was many groups of Amazigh people that range from Northern European looking like the Riffian to light brown to dark brown like the Chuleh in Souss. You also have the Haratin in Southern Morocco who are the indigenous people from the Sahara. In Morocco and other Magrebian countries all Amazigh are treated like second class citizens.

The truth is that Costal Northern Africans in Northern Algeria,Northern Morocco and Northern Libya were never black in the first place. Most come from proto-Medditerean stock and from Cor-magnoid stock that existed around the costal regions. Look up the Tarofliat culture,Metcha-al-Arabi culture,and Aflou culture. The Sahara region has always been majority black and this is why the Tuareg look the way they doo as well as the Haratin. This is a very complex issue that requires study of Northern African past to fully understand it.

The Amazigh people were called Libyans by both the ancient Greeks and the ancient Egyptians. One group was called Tamahoua by the Egyptians which had blondish reddish hair;the other Amazigh was called the Technoua that had dark brown skin with tightly curled hair. The later seems to be older than the former because the Tamahou was not depicted up untill the 19th dyansty with the invasion of the Sea peoples.

See the following:

Speakers of Amazight go back 7000 years. They are the Imazigen
of Ta Mazgha (Berbers of North Afrika). Amazight is an Afrikan
language of the Afro-Asian group. The Afro-Asiatic linguistic
phylum developed somewhere between the south-eastern Sahara and
the Horn and began splitting at least 8000 years ago.

Branches and probable date of split:
Kushitic - 8th millenium BCE
Egyptian - before the 7th millenium BCE
Omotic - 7th millenium BCE
Hausa - 7th millenium BCE
Semitic - 6th or 5th millenia BCE
Amazigh - 6th or 5th millenia BCE
(I. M. Diakonoff, Afrasian Languages, Moscow 1988)

Herodotus described Libyans as indigenees of Afrika. Egyptian
records list Libyans or Lebou of two types, the Tehenou and the
Temehou (people created light/white skinned). This is simply
recognizing that there was no uniform phenotype in ancient
Tamazgha. It is not saying there was only one phenotype among
the Lebou.

Tehenou and Tamahou were not the same ethnic type. The first
Lebou people that the Egyptians refered to were the Tehenou.
In color paintings they are dark brown. They were the local
blacks of Libya. They were not Nilotics nor Bantu nor Sudanese.
They were a local Libyan ethnic group. (G. Moller, Die Aegypten
und ihre libyschen Nachbaren, ZDMG, Liepzig 1924 pg 78.)

Oric Bates who wrote on the Eastern Libyans records Afrikoid
features. He says that before 12th dynasty Egyptians colored
Tehenou dark brown. The Eastern Libyans, London 1914, pp 43-45.

C. M. Daniels makes a similar report in The Garamantes of
Southern Libya, Wisconsin 1970, pg 27.

Later in time the Tamahou begin to appear in Egyptian paintings.
They are creamy colored often with light hair and eyes. This
is the type that absorbed and replaced the Tehenou.
(W. Holscher, Libyer und Agypter Beitrage zur Ethnologie und
Geschichte Libyscher Volkerschaften, AFU 5, Gluckstadt 1955)

Surely it is an injustice to the resurgance of Amazigh (Berber)
self-determination to deny this aspect of the ethno-history
of Tamazgha by writing the Tehenou out of history or denying
that they were dark and they were the first Libyan Imazighen.

  

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ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"??? [View all] , southphillyman, Mon Dec-15-03 07:31 PM
 
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Gotta do the reading.
Dec 15th 2003
1
RE: Gotta do the reading.
Dec 16th 2003
14
LOL
Dec 16th 2003
18
RE: Gotta do the reading.
Dec 17th 2003
27
      thanks for sharing this
Dec 24th 2003
63
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 15th 2003
2
they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 16th 2003
3
We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 17th 2003
28
RE: We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 19th 2003
41
      RE: We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 19th 2003
42
RE: they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 17th 2003
32
      RE: they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 17th 2003
35
alot are mix of black and Arab...check the kinky hair
Dec 16th 2003
4
RE: alot are mix of black and Arab...check the kinky ha
Dec 17th 2003
26
      umm of course.....
Dec 17th 2003
34
      much like
Dec 22nd 2003
49
I always thought of them as "Black"
Dec 16th 2003
5
ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 16th 2003
8
      RE: ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 16th 2003
13
      RE: ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 17th 2003
29
Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
6
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
7
not skinny enough to be considered black?
Dec 16th 2003
9
RE: not skinny enough to be considered black?
Dec 17th 2003
20
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
16
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
19
thousands of years and many influences/events separate
Dec 16th 2003
10
Right!
Dec 16th 2003
11
depends on ancestry
Dec 16th 2003
12
RIGHT !!!
Dec 17th 2003
21
In the simplest terms..........
Dec 16th 2003
15
RE: In the simplest terms..........
Dec 17th 2003
33
The black ones are.
Dec 16th 2003
17
good answer....for real.
Dec 20th 2003
45
such an American question
Dec 17th 2003
22
RE: such an American question
Dec 17th 2003
23
Wow
Dec 17th 2003
24
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 17th 2003
25
so true
Dec 17th 2003
30
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 17th 2003
36
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 17th 2003
38
very true
Dec 19th 2003
43
      one egyptian's opinion
Dec 22nd 2003
50
           Not quite there.
Dec 22nd 2003
51
                my point
Dec 23rd 2003
57
                     You have no point, imbecile.
Dec 23rd 2003
60
                     disagree with what?
Dec 24th 2003
64
Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 17th 2003
37
RE: Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 17th 2003
39
RE: Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 25th 2003
66
.
Dec 17th 2003
40
some are, some are not.
Dec 19th 2003
44
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 21st 2003
46
how do you know if you have black blood or not?
Dec 21st 2003
47
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS
Dec 22nd 2003
48
are u nuts?
Dec 22nd 2003
52
      RE: are u nuts?
Dec 22nd 2003
53
           again, are you nuts?
Dec 23rd 2003
56
I've always read that they were more Mediterranean
Dec 22nd 2003
54
RE: I've always read that they were more Mediterranean
Jan 04th 2004
67
wouldn't they vary like anywhere else?
Dec 23rd 2003
55
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Dec 23rd 2003
58
haha
Dec 24th 2003
62
      lol
Jan 04th 2004
69
north africa is a zone of convergence
Dec 23rd 2003
59
RE: from what i know...
Dec 23rd 2003
61
yes
Dec 24th 2003
65
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Jan 04th 2004
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