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25. "RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???"
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I am from Egypt and most of the Egyptians who say this mostly live in Northern Egypt which is Lower Egypt. Ethnically in Egypt there is a big difference in Upper and Lower Egypt. I feel that most people on this board have never meet a Sa3eadi Egyptian that was dark-brown with tightly curled hair.

Egypt has always been a diverse place with black people in Upper Egypt and lighter Medditerean types in the North. Over time,however,there has been lots of mixing in the cities of Cairo and Alexzandria withg foreginers so you get very diverse phenotypes.

The women's ignorance of history also is relfect and reinforced by the sub-Sahara myth that validates claims of white supremacy. Meaning that some invisible line is drawn in the sand to seperate Northern Africans from so-called black Africa. This is based on no historicakl facts,but because of Europeans wanting to cliam ancient Egypt.

What most people donot realize is that the Sahara both Central and Southern was once fertile with life,floura and Fauana,and herding and agritcultural farming. Pockets of these original Saharan communities exist in Southern Morocco and Algeria that are called Haratin. These people are not sub-Saharan slaves but are people who lived in the Sahara from time immortal.

Black populations still exist in Northern Africa especially in the Sahara. Egypt once you get past the cities of Cairo and Aelxzandria starts to darken from Light brown to Dark brown. Many Egyptians from Luxor to Aswan can easily be called black if they were transported to America.

Here is some pictures of Luxor Egyptians

http://www.kirikou.com/egipto/familia/familia.htm

http://www.sat7.org/photos/photo008.jpg

Pictures of Egyptian children from Southern Egypt


http://www.sat7.org/photos/photo010.jpg

here is another family,but notice that many relatives are both dark and light. You can tell that both Upper and Lower Egyptians have been mxing for a long time

http://www.sat7.org/photos/photo017.jpg

many of these children look like bi-racials

http://www.copts.net/Images/kosheh/p9a.gif

Here is a picture of a Coptic Christain from Egypt. One thing to note about the Coptics is the fact that many have heavy mixed with Greeks,Syrians,and other races of people. This Coptic man is from the border of El Koshneh which is between Middle Egypt and Upper Egypt

http://www.egyptology.com/reeder/egyptart/photo5.html

---Here is an Egyptian from el Kab carrying water jug. El Kab is the sea of the first Pharoahs.


This observation of Upper Egyptians being darker is often made by European travelers themselves. Denon,one of Napoleans crew,even commented on the apperance of the Upper Egypt reamrking that the inhabitants were very African in apperance. The same is true even today that many African Americans that venture into Luxor to Aswan often get mistaken for Egyptians. Even lighter skinned Africans Americans get mistaken for some Cairene Egyptians.

See the following:

Except for his curly black hair, with its hint of African negro
blood, he looked more Arabian than Egyptian; most of the
men in the village were shorter, more heavily built, and had strong
cheekbones, thick noses, and heavy jaws. Among their rugged faces,
Shahhat's stood out as singularly expressive."
The reader might conclude from such a description that Critchfield's
initial attraction to Shahhat was due to the fact that his features
were much less African than those of the majority of Upper Egyptians.
Ironically, that is the attitude of some inhabitants of northern
Egypt, who refuse to acknowledge Upper Egyptians as Arabs, and
consider darker skin to be a negative trait. Such prejudice is the
second challenge which faces Upper Egyptians, in addition to poverty:
racism.
Although I did take issue with the presumably inadvertent racial
implications of Critchfield's observations, Shahhat, an Egyptian is
an entertaining and vivid introduction to the richness and diversity
of rural Egyptian life.
Uzra Zeya is a program coordinator for the American Educational Trust
specializing in Islamic affairs.
Advise and Dissent and Shahhat, an Egyptian are available from the
http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2002/598/li1.htm

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0390/9003045.htm




  

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ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"??? [View all] , southphillyman, Mon Dec-15-03 07:31 PM
 
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Gotta do the reading.
Dec 15th 2003
1
RE: Gotta do the reading.
Dec 16th 2003
14
LOL
Dec 16th 2003
18
RE: Gotta do the reading.
Dec 17th 2003
27
      thanks for sharing this
Dec 24th 2003
63
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 15th 2003
2
they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 16th 2003
3
We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 17th 2003
28
RE: We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 19th 2003
41
      RE: We are not Arabs and being a Muslim means nothing
Dec 19th 2003
42
RE: they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 17th 2003
32
      RE: they arabs (mooslims).
Dec 17th 2003
35
alot are mix of black and Arab...check the kinky hair
Dec 16th 2003
4
RE: alot are mix of black and Arab...check the kinky ha
Dec 17th 2003
26
      umm of course.....
Dec 17th 2003
34
      much like
Dec 22nd 2003
49
I always thought of them as "Black"
Dec 16th 2003
5
ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 16th 2003
8
      RE: ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 16th 2003
13
      RE: ethiopia is SUB saharan...BIG difference
Dec 17th 2003
29
Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
6
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
7
not skinny enough to be considered black?
Dec 16th 2003
9
RE: not skinny enough to be considered black?
Dec 17th 2003
20
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
16
RE: Honestly...
Dec 16th 2003
19
RE: Honestly...
Dec 17th 2003
31
thousands of years and many influences/events separate
Dec 16th 2003
10
Right!
Dec 16th 2003
11
depends on ancestry
Dec 16th 2003
12
RIGHT !!!
Dec 17th 2003
21
In the simplest terms..........
Dec 16th 2003
15
RE: In the simplest terms..........
Dec 17th 2003
33
The black ones are.
Dec 16th 2003
17
good answer....for real.
Dec 20th 2003
45
such an American question
Dec 17th 2003
22
RE: such an American question
Dec 17th 2003
23
Wow
Dec 17th 2003
24
so true
Dec 17th 2003
30
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 17th 2003
36
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 17th 2003
38
very true
Dec 19th 2003
43
      one egyptian's opinion
Dec 22nd 2003
50
           Not quite there.
Dec 22nd 2003
51
                my point
Dec 23rd 2003
57
                     You have no point, imbecile.
Dec 23rd 2003
60
                     disagree with what?
Dec 24th 2003
64
Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 17th 2003
37
RE: Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 17th 2003
39
RE: Are Spaniards and Italians white?
Dec 25th 2003
66
.
Dec 17th 2003
40
some are, some are not.
Dec 19th 2003
44
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Dec 21st 2003
46
how do you know if you have black blood or not?
Dec 21st 2003
47
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS
Dec 22nd 2003
48
are u nuts?
Dec 22nd 2003
52
      RE: are u nuts?
Dec 22nd 2003
53
           again, are you nuts?
Dec 23rd 2003
56
I've always read that they were more Mediterranean
Dec 22nd 2003
54
RE: I've always read that they were more Mediterranean
Jan 04th 2004
67
wouldn't they vary like anywhere else?
Dec 23rd 2003
55
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Dec 23rd 2003
58
haha
Dec 24th 2003
62
      lol
Jan 04th 2004
69
north africa is a zone of convergence
Dec 23rd 2003
59
RE: from what i know...
Dec 23rd 2003
61
yes
Dec 24th 2003
65
RE: ARE NORTH AFRICANS "BLACK"???
Jan 04th 2004
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