>I don't buy that theory, because
>Zionism started long before WWII.

True. Theodor Herzl and the majority of the Zionist Congress that met in 1897 weren't observant Jews. They were socialists. They didn't necessarily see their Israel as the revival of the biblical Israel, but rather as a safe haven for Jews seeking refuge from anti-Semitism.

> But I certainly don't
>disagree that Judaism must have
>been changed by the Holocaust.
> Mary Doria Russell said
>in an interview, "As a
>post-Holocaust Jew, we have to
>acknowledge two things: being
>Jewish can get you killed
>and God won't save you."

Agreed. Russell pretty much summed it up.

>The PLO stated in the early
>days of the state of
>Israel that its mission was
>to "push the Jews into
>the sea." I don't
>think that you have to
>have been through a Holocaust
>to find that threatening.

The Israeli Declaration of Independence actually called for cooperation between Jews and Arabs. That pretty much went out the window once the Arab states declared war on Israel.

Everything went to hell after that.

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