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7. "yes, but"
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>Further, part of the reason that
>the Israelis are so reactive
>to the Palestinians is that
>for decades the spokespersons for
>the Palestinians was the PLO,
>which was a radical terrorist
>organization, rather than the people
>themselves.

There's a reason why the PLO was a terrorist organisation.
It didn't come out of nowhere. It was a reaction to Israeli aggression and provocation.

If the PLO has become such a big factor it has a lot to do with a deliberate strategy from right wing Israelis to force them to use violence. Which made it easier afterwards to label them as 'terrorists' or 'violent', and discredit them as potential representatives for the Palestinian people.

Plus, today the PLO is considered pretty moderate. Plenty of young Palestinians support Hamas since they see that Israel is breaking every promise and/or agreement only minutes after it's been signed.

In general it's Palestinian youth throwing rocks agains Israeli soldiers with bullets (and this week even anti-tank missiles launched from helicopters ... anti-tank missiles ? WTF ?)


krewcial

>Moderate Palestinians would
>have doubtless negotiated a reasonable
>deal when heads were cooler
>and before Israel got too
>full of itself, but the
>PLO refused to negotiate.

Wrong janey. They've consistently been turned down by the Israeli government/havocs, due to the logic I just explained 'we don't negotiate with terrorists'. The Israeli government always sets ridiculous rules BEFORE negotiations even begin, that the PLO sometimes refuse to 'negotiate' since those ain't 'negotiations' in the first place.

This is all documented. I'll post some links/excerpts later on (don't have the time to find 'm now, this is lunch break ).

>The PLO also kept all
>the Palestinians evicted from Jewish
>settled areas in refugee camps.

Are you referring to Sabra and Chatila ?
FYI, those were two camps that were invaded by Israeli troops (led by Ariel Sharon) where a mass amount of refugees was slaughtered.

>I'm not saying that the Israelis
>aren't bad actors. Just
>that no one is completely
>without some responsibility. But
>the real answer isn't found
>in the question "who's at
>fault?" but instead "where do
>we go from here?"

I agree 100%.

>I would most
>like to see Jerusalem in
>neutral hands, but if that
>isn't a viable option, I
>frankly would rather have it
>in the hands of the
>Israelis, who haven't sworn as
>a matter of principle to
>exterminate any other religion.

Are you suggesting muslims did so ?

Plus Israel's actions led me to believe something else.



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Jerusalem [View all] , Gloworm, Tue Oct-03-00 09:26 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
here's some pointers
Oct 03rd 2000
1
RE: Jerusalem
DGraves
Oct 03rd 2000
2
actually ...
Oct 05th 2000
8
Boodah's Links &
Oct 03rd 2000
3
in addition
Oct 04th 2000
5
      RE: in addition
DGraves
Oct 04th 2000
6
     
      My point exactly
Oct 05th 2000
9
           The damned Nazis started it.
Oct 10th 2000
18
                Hmmm
Oct 11th 2000
19
                RE: Hmmm
Oct 12th 2000
20
                RE: The damned Nazis started it.
Eli B
Nov 13th 2000
23
      RE: in addition
Oct 06th 2000
13
Book
Oct 04th 2000
4
see also:
velodragon
Oct 05th 2000
10
RE: Jerusalem
Oct 06th 2000
11
RE: Jerusalem
DGraves
Oct 06th 2000
12
Well put
Marinera
Oct 07th 2000
14
thank you
Oct 08th 2000
15
thanks! n/m
Oct 08th 2000
16
RE: Jerusalem
Oct 10th 2000
17
RE: Jerusalem
Riggy
Oct 18th 2000
21
BRC statement on conflict
Oct 20th 2000
22
The most fair solution
Eli B
Nov 13th 2000
24

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