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booby_trap_the_sniper

Sat Jan-20-01 11:22 AM

  
52. "western civilizations"
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I think the question of whether western civilazation is primairly responsible for the condition of the world is kind of a silly one, and speaks to the effectiveness of psychological war campaigns. I think that it's blatantly obivous. For example, no one ever speaks of Native American Civiations. Why is this, many of the American Agricultural methods that were adapted later by Enlightment thinkers orginated with the Natives, who through study of the eart (what some might term geolgy, chemistry, meterology, and biology) had developed effective and sure fire ways of cultivating many of the vegtables that are sold and eaten today. They had community structres, that although not as academically dilenated were still complex and intellegnet. In fact, one could dig in the history books (not influenced by western perspective) and find that many of the westerners who lived amoung the natives found themselves adapting (thier culture). Of course, western thinking doens't allow any type of perspective other than it's own (really look at your textbooks) and so that shouold come as no suprise.
One thing that really gets me is that people still argue the "anyone could have done this" perspective which may be true for Japan. It is true that the Mongolian Empire under the leadership of Ghengis Khan conqured lare parts of Asia and Italy. It is true that his army killed many. It is not true that his army subjected teh conqured to centturies of slaery. It is not true that they developed in depth "scienfically supported resons for their inferiority). You need only view the orginal texts of such European writers such as Montisque to know that these men viewed their civialization as superior. At a time when it was NOT established that thier colonies would exist all over the world. Montisque referred to blacks as savages and indians as brutes. He did so with nor regard for the accomplishments of the Natives, of Male, Ghana, and Songhai, or of Egypt. He did so without knowing of the Mayans or the Aztecs. He had littlle true knowledge of the world as it truly existed, but we forgive his ignorance while we simultaneously condmen our own, as in the studies of the revered socioligist and revered legal philosopher the civilizations and accomplishments of darker hued people were trampled over. This is unacceptable, yet it is accepted everyday.

There is no denying the poison of western thinking.

One question that arose was the seperation of the poisons of western thinking from things that are beneficial in it. Let me be clear in saying that a complete decimation of western thinking and culture is pretty much impossibe. we exist now with the Native culture of a thousand years ago, the Greek Culture of two thousand years ago, the african culture of six hundred agos, etc. We are an assimilative speicies, and what we absorb, we typically do not release. Nevertheless, it is not impossible to shed the poisons of western civilization, though it is difficult to determine whether or not that is something we will see in our era. But it is a worthy cause. Much like a grown man still living in his teens, the usefulness of our western "adolencence" is now over. And perhaps what we term revoultion is better refferred to as evoultion, as a speices, I think we owe ourselves that much. I do not necassarily agree with a violent revolution, becasue as long as it is a violent revolution, the real problem (force being the end all be all of power) won't be solved. However, if being capable of being stronger thn someone else is always a possiblity, I pose this question, what should we do should the revolution succed to ensure that centralization of power, deconstruction of cultures, and disinformation cease to be.


This was a lot of stuff, I don't even know if I made sense, but oh well, I shall return.

  

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revolution: what are you fightin' for? [View all] , Beyond_Levels, Thu Jan-18-01 12:06 PM
 
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RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
1
Wow...
Jan 18th 2001
3
RE: Wow...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
6
      All I can say is...
Jan 18th 2001
7
           RE: All I can say is...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
11
                Let's start with the obvious...
Jan 18th 2001
15
                     This is more than a little harsh...
Jan 18th 2001
16
                     RE: This is more than a little harsh...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
18
                          Yup.
Jan 18th 2001
22
                               what in tha...
Jan 18th 2001
29
                                    Matrix...
Jan 18th 2001
30
                                         whoa
Jan 19th 2001
31
                                              Why?
Jan 19th 2001
41
                     RE: Let's start with the obvious...
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
17
                          Never mind...
Jan 18th 2001
23
                          You're Terrible
Marinera
Jan 22nd 2001
59
                               Don't bother...
Jan 22nd 2001
61
                          I can't believe..........
insomnia
Jan 23rd 2001
63
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
Beyond_Levels
Jan 18th 2001
4
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
10
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
yinka
Jan 19th 2001
36
I AGREE
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
37
RE: revolution: what are you fightin' for?
derby
Jan 19th 2001
39
not quite
yinka
Jan 19th 2001
40
i asked b/c
Beyond_Levels
Jan 19th 2001
42
what would u replace it with?
yoshiaki
Jan 20th 2001
53
Truth
KoalaLove
Jan 18th 2001
2
Yeah...
Jan 18th 2001
5
fighting for
audiovisuals
Jan 18th 2001
8
There it is...n/m
Jan 18th 2001
9
RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
12
And there is nothing wrong
Jan 19th 2001
33
RE: fighting for
Phraktal
Jan 18th 2001
13
RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
14
RE: fighting for
Phraktal
Jan 18th 2001
19
      RE: fighting for
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
20
      no, no, no
apexNYC
Jan 18th 2001
21
           Westerner does not equal white.
Jan 18th 2001
24
           RE: Westerner does not equal white.
apexNYC
Jan 18th 2001
27
                RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
28
                     RE: Westerner does not equal white.
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
34
                          RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 19th 2001
43
                               RE: Westerner does not equal white.
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
47
                                    Do you need help coming out?
Jan 20th 2001
50
                                    RE: Westerner does not equal white.
utamaroho
Jan 21st 2001
55
                                    To add to what Solarus and utamaroho said...
dysfunctmonk
Jan 22nd 2001
62
           RE: no, no, no
utamaroho
Jan 18th 2001
26
                RE: no, no, no
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
35
      not looking to be provided for
audiovisuals
Jan 22nd 2001
58
zackly
audiovisuals
Jan 22nd 2001
56
Absolutely
Marinera
Jan 22nd 2001
60
      good question
audiovisuals
Jan 23rd 2001
66
Couldn't resist...
Jan 18th 2001
25
God, Bless the Child
Jan 19th 2001
32
its obvious
Jan 19th 2001
38
      who was this remark...
Beyond_Levels
Jan 19th 2001
44
      why is that?
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
45
      RE: why is that?
utamaroho
Jan 19th 2001
46
           RE: why is that?
apexNYC
Jan 19th 2001
48
                Misunderstanding
Jan 20th 2001
49
                     RE: Misunderstanding
booby_trap_the_sniper
Jan 20th 2001
51
                          RE: Misunderstanding
utamaroho
Jan 20th 2001
54
      I don't get it
Jan 22nd 2001
57
Power doesn't equal problems
dysfunctmonk
Jan 23rd 2001
64
Fight 4 di yoots!
Jan 23rd 2001
65
what am I fighting for?
Jan 30th 2001
67
plagues of ignorance
lusciousDivya
Jan 31st 2001
68

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