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The Damaja
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75. "rhythm in rap vs rhythm in poetry"
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so i found out about how in poetry they denote the rhythm, or the 'scansion,' using the concept of 'feet'

feet are like 'beats' in that you have a certain number per line. each one is a group of syllables, predominantly the same type of group for the whole poem/verse. so like 'iambic pentameter' means 5 feet per line, and each one is 'iambic', which is the term for two syllables grouped with the second one stressed. like
x=unstressed, / = stressed

to BE or NOT to BE that IS the QUEST(ion)
x.../...x.../.....x.../...x...../....x..../

(little extra syllable at the end... it doesn't have to be really strict, you can slur syllables together or have trailing ones at line beginnings or endings. that's why they say 'feet' instead of just counting syllables. counting syllables would be too strict, plus it doesn't indicate the stress)

as well as iambic there's other feet, like 'trochaic' which would be /x, and other combos like x/x, /xx, /x/, etc. single words on their own can be one of these by default, like the word KILLer is trochaic, you can't pronounce it any other way

so anyway i tried applying this to rap lyrics...
it doesn't work
why?

this might be stating the obvious, but

poetry has to carry the pulse of its own rhythm as it goes
in rap, the pulse is supplied by the music

ya dig?

basically in rap you can use SPACE, you can pause while the music continues then rejoin at a later beat, in poetry you cannot, each word follows directly after the last. in rap you can spread the words out like 'your niiiiine spray..... my miiiiiind spray...'

rap is like water waves, they flow through a medium
poetry is like light waves, they carry their own medium with them (light can go anywhere)

another reason why rap lyrics don't look so good on paper compared to poetry, perhaps?

still trying to get hold of this Tone Deff LP to see his notation system. i'm interested to see what it will be like. i'm thinking some sort of grid to write the words in, the grid boxes representing the timing

there's also the realm of 'free verse' which doesn't use this 'iambic pentameter' spiel. investigating that might yield something interesting

but what i'm finding is with rapping, there's just TOO MUCH INFORMATION to assess to be able to say something decisive like 'he's rapping in trochaic quatrameter' or whatever. sometimes the best you can do is pick out a particular characteristic that's unique to one rapper's style, like Method Man's distinctive 'pause flow' could probably be explained in musical terms satisfactorily. it's like if there's a character in a film who speaks a certain way, most people recognize something specific that defines their style, but to actually notate/explain EVERYTHING about conversational speech is a humongous task

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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breaking down rap method [View all] , The Damaja, Thu Jun-14-07 11:17 AM
 
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LOL @ lifejacket...
Jun 14th 2007
1
A+
Jun 14th 2007
2
RE: A+
Jun 14th 2007
4
it's more people getting mad when someone exposes the fact
Jun 14th 2007
5
      RE: it's more people getting mad when someone exposes the fact
Jun 14th 2007
13
Word.
Jun 18th 2007
45
can i have your autograph?
Jun 14th 2007
3
i've been trying to develop a system of notation for rap
Jun 14th 2007
6
does it need a new system?
Jun 14th 2007
7
standard notation fails for a few reasons
Jun 14th 2007
9
      while i agree with a lot of your points i'd say fit it in western first
Jun 14th 2007
12
how about writing words inside some sort of grid
Jun 14th 2007
14
i actually came back to bring this up...
Jun 14th 2007
17
      this post just keeps getting better
Jun 14th 2007
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      RE: i actually came back to bring this up...
Jun 14th 2007
19
      but do MC's want to be poets or musicians
Jun 14th 2007
20
      it's just the poetry notation is potentially very useful
Jun 14th 2007
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           poetry notation... or just the language for talking about poetry
Jun 14th 2007
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      RE: i actually came back to bring this up...
Jun 14th 2007
29
           what about 'raps double-time for half a bar'
Jun 16th 2007
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                also... technically all rapping is ALREADY in double-time
Jul 12th 2007
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      i found a more extensive list of poetry terms... this is the big one
Jun 21st 2007
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Its already been done...
Jun 18th 2007
41
mail that shit to the record labels
Jun 14th 2007
8
this is why i love rap music.
Jun 14th 2007
10
....
Jun 14th 2007
11
soundtrack for this post courtesy of Casual (from Hiero). link:
Jun 14th 2007
15
styles styles so many styles
Jun 14th 2007
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why can't it be both?
Jun 14th 2007
22
no that's what i mean... rapping = writing/lyrics + performance
Jun 14th 2007
24
Well done n/m
Jun 14th 2007
25
About the voicing section...
Jun 14th 2007
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Jun 14th 2007
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i guess it's a bit like different classes of opera singers or something
Jun 14th 2007
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      Chali exagerrates his deep voice when he raps
Jun 15th 2007
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           i read Eminem express regret that everything was behind-beat on SSLP
Jun 15th 2007
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                he said...
Jun 18th 2007
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                     btw, did you catch this
Jun 18th 2007
37
                          Foneticcus touched on this...
Jun 18th 2007
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                               aah... i just noticed he raps to those background keys on Way I Am
Jun 18th 2007
49
                                    it's actually been discussed that...
Jun 20th 2007
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                                    i agree with the above assessment mostly
Jun 20th 2007
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                                    word (up).
Jul 07th 2007
61
                                    *double post*
Jun 20th 2007
51
up (to read later)
Jun 15th 2007
30
2 gaping holes, the content of course, and
Jun 18th 2007
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hmm?
Jun 18th 2007
36
      still waiting for you to put 'flow' in a box
Jun 18th 2007
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           what does he say in the first line of the verse?
Jun 18th 2007
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                RE: what does he say in the first line of the verse?
Jun 18th 2007
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                     *cough*
Jul 12th 2007
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                     haha ok.... the truth is though
Jul 12th 2007
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                          RE: haha ok.... the truth is though
Jul 12th 2007
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                               aah... ok i thought you meant the poetical stuff
Jul 12th 2007
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                               RE: haha ok.... the truth is though
Jul 22nd 2007
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lol
Jun 18th 2007
38
Tonedeff developed a notation system for rap in 2005...
Jun 18th 2007
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copped.
Jun 18th 2007
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      surprised you aint heard that...
Jun 20th 2007
52
yeah, this is great
Jun 18th 2007
43
yeah that's why i had no prob with the Q-tip vs 2Pac poll
Jun 18th 2007
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      RE: yeah that's why i had no prob with the Q-tip vs 2Pac poll
Jul 12th 2007
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Kool Moe Dee's beat overall MCs criteria:
Jun 25th 2007
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RE: articulation i submit kool g rap
Jun 25th 2007
56
      g rap is fairly exquisite technically
Jun 25th 2007
57
           conviction is his cure
Jun 25th 2007
58
I think folks just kinda jacked off to this post and didn't do nothing
Jul 04th 2007
59
RE: I think folks just kinda jacked off to this post and didn't do nothi...
Jul 07th 2007
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      i concur.
Jul 09th 2007
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           un edited draft
Jul 10th 2007
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                RE: un edited draft
Jul 12th 2007
64
                yeaaaahh.
Jul 12th 2007
70
                did you ever finish this?
Aug 19th 2007
79
This post is like Hagakure for emcees
Jul 12th 2007
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this should be published
Jul 22nd 2007
74
this is why i say it follows music more than poetry
Aug 19th 2007
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      expanded
Aug 19th 2007
77
           rhymes as arpeggios or broken chords
Aug 19th 2007
78
                inbox
Aug 19th 2007
80
good post
Oct 05th 2007
81
word this post is definitely worth checking out
Oct 05th 2007
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