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bentagain
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"Is the step back 3 a travel?"


  

          

I can't see it any other way

I'm not talking about the obvious uncalled travels where guys are shuffling their feet and taking like 4-5 steps

I'm talking about...giving up the dribble...jab step forward...2 steps back

https://youtu.be/5o0Y5pOIhPo

= 3 steps

What ya'll think?

The NBA explanation about gathering, etc...is BS too IMO...

We getting a run in, I'm calling that errytime.

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its a travel.
Dec 28th 2018
1
Eurostep properly executed is not a travel
Feb 12th 2019
49
Indisputably so
Dec 28th 2018
2
i would prefer it if players had to land both feet at the same time
Dec 28th 2018
3
Its not a travel. You start counting steps when the dribble ends
Dec 28th 2018
4
The dribble ends...and then he takes 3 steps.
Dec 29th 2018
8
      Yep, im sure thats exactly how the rule book defines it
Dec 29th 2018
10
they took Kemba's move and added two more steps
Dec 28th 2018
5
No. The two steps only applies AFTER the gather
Dec 28th 2018
6
Not only that...
Dec 28th 2018
7
RE: reply 8
Dec 29th 2018
9
      Lol the ball never rests in hardens hand
Dec 29th 2018
11
           Exactly, having your palm on the ball =/= dribble ended
Dec 29th 2018
12
                RE: between dribbles
Dec 29th 2018
13
                     Besides being factually wrong per the rule book
Dec 29th 2018
14
                          Actually, it's quite easy...take 3 steps after your last dribble = trave...
Dec 29th 2018
15
                          Even easier, is following the rule book.
Dec 29th 2018
17
                               not sure why you're even bothering here but i do have a question for you
Feb 12th 2019
50
                          Wait how is it factually wrong?
Dec 29th 2018
16
                               The nba rule book
Dec 29th 2018
18
I wish it were a travel.
Dec 29th 2018
19
^^^ exactly
Dec 29th 2018
20
Haha
Dec 29th 2018
21
where was there a carry here?
Feb 12th 2019
52
Video on top = travel...
Jan 08th 2019
22
By your count, the Euro is a travel too
Jan 08th 2019
23
the Euro IS a travel
Jan 08th 2019
24
#8 and #4, absolutely are travels
Jan 08th 2019
25
Youre not giving up but refuse to refer to the nba rule book
Jan 08th 2019
27
its one of my favourite plays in basketball, so ill go with...¯\_(ツ)_...
Jan 08th 2019
26
in that video
Jan 09th 2019
28
Agreed. I see one step with the left, one with the right, then a jump sh...
Jan 09th 2019
29
You know what's amazing? Harden adjusted his footwork
Jan 09th 2019
30
he's definitely stretched it but the example shown is not a travel imho
Feb 12th 2019
51
Kevin Know with the double step back 3...this is where we're going
Jan 14th 2019
31
I count at least 5 steps here
Jan 17th 2019
32
He literally catches the ball in the shooting stance
Jan 17th 2019
33
      breh he's talking about the gather not the start.
Jan 17th 2019
34
      The Motown 25 drill (c) The New Nba
Jan 17th 2019
35
"They allow them to travel these days" (c) T-Mac/Pippen
Jan 18th 2019
36
^^^ seen
Jan 19th 2019
37
      Not suprising. It gets updated every season.
Jan 19th 2019
38
No, because of Lebron
Jan 20th 2019
39
Cancel NBA refs
Feb 12th 2019
40
RE: Cancel NBA refs
Feb 12th 2019
41
^^^ a favorite too
Feb 12th 2019
44
Harden gonna come into next season with The Bobble
Feb 12th 2019
42
bruh was doing the Shawty Lo jog toward the rim, LOL
Feb 12th 2019
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https://twitter.com/RealDealBeal23/status/1095367561628258306
Feb 12th 2019
45
looked good to me lol
Feb 12th 2019
46
the sport has become a joke.
Feb 12th 2019
47
That's not a travel, the jump to shoot is not a "step"
Feb 12th 2019
48

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1. "its a travel."
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even more so because he sometimes drags the back foot.

while we're here, the eurostep. I don't think that's a travel except when players drag that foot before release the ball.

you probably think you're cooler than me

  

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49. "Eurostep properly executed is not a travel"
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but it's a fine line (dragging the foot or sneaking in an extra short step to square up) that can get crossed

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2. "Indisputably so"
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3. "i would prefer it if players had to land both feet at the same time"
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4. "Its not a travel. You start counting steps when the dribble ends"
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At the point the video is saying step 1, harden can still put the ball on the floor and dribble legally. The dribble ended when his second hand touched the ball. Thn he took two steps

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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8. "The dribble ends...and then he takes 3 steps."
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You know how I know when his dribble ends...

...he doesn't dribble again...

3 steps = travel.

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10. "Yep, im sure thats exactly how the rule book defines it"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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5. "they took Kemba's move and added two more steps"
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6. "No. The two steps only applies AFTER the gather"
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If your dribble is still live you, can take as many steps as you want before you decided to gather the ball.

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7. "Not only that..."
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... but also the stepback is so pretty that I truthfully don't give a shit if it's a travel or not.

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9. "RE: reply 8"
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We're going to argue when he gives up the dribble?

So instead of taking 3 steps, he dribbles again

http://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-the-perimeter/

Still a violation.

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11. "Lol the ball never rests in hardens hand"
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The vid says dribble ends as soon as the ball touches his hand.

If harden van legally dribble the ball, the dribble hasnt ended.

Check the rule book. Rule 4 probably section 3 or 4.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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12. "Exactly, having your palm on the ball =/= dribble ended"
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In that case, you can't even dribble the ball. One of the key things players are taught is the ability to take multiple steps between dribbles or with the hand on the ball.

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13. "RE: between dribbles "
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He takes 3 steps w/o another dribble = travel.

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14. "Besides being factually wrong per the rule book"
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What you are in insinuating doesnt make sense practically. What you are stating is that a ref should be counting steps every time the player is dribbling the ball, bc maybe he'll pick up his dribble? Lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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15. "Actually, it's quite easy...take 3 steps after your last dribble = trave..."
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17. "Even easier, is following the rule book."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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50. "not sure why you're even bothering here but i do have a question for you"
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actually two, things i am seeing more and more and not sure what the rules are because when i played organized basketball they were not as common.

one, if you're denying the ball to an offensive player (not making contact with him but putting an arm in front of him to disrupt a potential pass to him), can he just push it out of the way? guarding guys in the post and getting an arm in front of them (again no contact) some will push it down with their left arm or sometimes both arms. that doesn't seem legal but i don't know what the rule is.

the other one is on screens. you're going to set a screen and you're already set, can the defender you're screen hand check you or push off you for leverage? some of these guys throw a hard hand check into you or, let's say your man rejects the screen and goes the other way, they will extend an arm and push off to get a stronger step in the direction of the ball handler.

are these things illegal or just annoying AF?

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16. "Wait how is it factually wrong? "
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What rule book are you looking at?

The difficulty of enforcing it aside

  

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18. "The nba rule book"
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19. "I wish it were a travel. "
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I genuinely am confused about what constitutes as a carry vs what a gather is.

  

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20. "^^^ exactly"
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Folks talking about he could still dribble after that long a$$ pause = discontinued dribble

Still a violation.

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21. "Haha"
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52. "where was there a carry here?"
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jab, step back, jump into a shot.

the thing he does with his left hand i guess could be considered a carry if he were to continue his dribble off it. but i wouldnt even think about a carry here, more just his footwork if it were three steps or not. i do think on some step backs there is a drag or short step that turns it into a violation technically

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22. "Video on top = travel..."
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https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1082675643135987713/video/1

Video on the bottom, extra dribble = legal

No, I'm not giving up on this.

Shouts to Steph for the Harden shuffle

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsSEbOsjPdJ/?utm_source=ig_embed

The step back 3, with 3 steps is a travel

It shouldn't take 4 steps for there to be a travel call on this play.

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23. "By your count, the Euro is a travel too"
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Every player in this video takes a step ON the gather (no more dribbles) then two more (the euro).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBtZHE3575w

I tend to think if the gather hasn't happened (meaning two hands on the ball) your feet can still move. Once that ends, meaning you can't legally dribble again without violation, you can take two steps so long as you are in motion/haven't established pivot.

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24. "the Euro IS a travel"
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I know I'm old and grumpy, but both are travels.

  

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25. "#8 and #4, absolutely are travels"
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3 steps

not all of those euro steps are equal

in 8 and 4, they pick up the ball and take 3 steps = travel

I want to call the Lavine move at #2 a travel too, but I'm assuming the first 2 steps don't count because he's landing after catching the ball...but he definitely takes 3 steps

Miss me with the gather BS too

3 steps after your last dribble = travel.

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27. "Youre not giving up but refuse to refer to the nba rule book"
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26. "its one of my favourite plays in basketball, so ill go with...¯\_(ツ)_..."
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28. "in that video"
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that isn't three steps

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29. "Agreed. I see one step with the left, one with the right, then a jump sh..."
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30. "You know what's amazing? Harden adjusted his footwork"
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in the last two weeks. The steps he took in the original video are nowhere to be found in the games he's played since folks were complaining. He has actually refined it, or toned it down to a simple two step hop. Which proved to me that he knew exactly what he was getting away with when folks were complaining.

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51. "he's definitely stretched it but the example shown is not a travel imho"
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31. "Kevin Know with the double step back 3...this is where we're going"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Li0fUe-XU4

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32. "I count at least 5 steps here"
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https://youtu.be/QNY1WQQun9A?t=116

What's been offered so far in defense of this bullshit is...

...the rules were changed in 2009, allowing for 3 steps after your last dribble...something something about gathering...etc...

What's being missed, is that travels calls have been lenient in the NBA for too long already

Now we're defending 3 step step backs...and what's now being allowed...is 3-5 steps

...or in the video provided...6-7 steps...

How can everybody praise dude without calling this bullshit out

...and now we have youngins thinking this is not only legal, but a necessary part of the modern game...

Nah, fuck that.

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33. "He literally catches the ball in the shooting stance"
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No other steps, no jabs, certainly no raising of the pivot. This bullshit about how many steps are allowed after your last dribble just isn't the way any brand of ball has been called in two decades, high school, college, or NBA. You're why rec league games have such bad fucking refs.

I'm glad that you learned basketball watching Kelly Tripucka or whatever and are mad that there are fewer Mikan drills in NBA practices, but hey, what if you shut the fuck up and realized that no one agrees with you, you functional flat-earther?

  

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34. "breh he's talking about the gather not the start."
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james taking steps like he's in AA.

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35. "The Motown 25 drill (c) The New Nba"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyqrZSOmfp4

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36. ""They allow them to travel these days" (c) T-Mac/Pippen"
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37. "^^^ seen "
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Guess 2 HOFers don't know the rule book

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38. "Not suprising. It gets updated every season."
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Most players probably never looked in the rule book.

Have you?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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39. "No, because of Lebron"
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Crab dribble as example one. As long as the star player purs up points and gets strong ratings it doesn't count as a travel.

"I sleep with my clothes on cause even when I'm dreaming I'm going somewhere." (c) Stat Quo
"Everybody that know me say that�s a cheap ass nigga" (c) Slim Thug

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40. "Cancel NBA refs"
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https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status/1095169948308119552

4 steps =/= a travel;

"The offensive player gathers with his right foot on the ground. He then takes two legal steps, before losing control of the ball. After regaining possession, a player is allowed to regain his pivot foot and pass or shoot prior to that foot returning to the ground. This is legal." NBA refs

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41. "RE: Cancel NBA refs"
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44. "^^^ a favorite too"
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LOL@losing control of the ball though

He saw Blake coming to gobble up the layup and BB makes a pass instead

How TF is that losing control?

SMH, this is f'n ridiculous (c)

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42. "Harden gonna come into next season with The Bobble"
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juggling the ball from halfcourt to the basket

  

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43. "bruh was doing the Shawty Lo jog toward the rim, LOL"
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...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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45. "https://twitter.com/RealDealBeal23/status/1095367561628258306"
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https://twitter.com/RealDealBeal23/status/1095367561628258306

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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46. "looked good to me lol"
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47. "the sport has become a joke."
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48. "That's not a travel, the jump to shoot is not a "step""
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In the comments there someone says "a hop step counts as two steps" but there is no "hop step" there and if there were it would be four steps, uh, I guess. He takes two steps and goes up into his shot. That is not a travel.

IMO the most common form of traveling in the NBA is the "cheat step" that players use to shuffle into triple threat position. They come hard to meet the ball and then take a step before the dribble or square up to get into triple threat position. Some guys are so good at it that it looks like a travel when it's not, but most get the benefit of that doubt.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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