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Subject: "Zeke: "Bulls-Pistons wasn't a rivalry. We owned them (video)""

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"Zeke: "Bulls-Pistons wasn't a rivalry. We owned them (video)""

I love this man

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203906283837972

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
i couldn't watch the link but you can own a team and it still be a rival...	Cenario	Mar 06th 2015	1
lol Zeke is still mad that he got swept	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	2
.	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	4
it's been "discussed" for the entire decade i've been on OKP	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	3
^^^^	Dr Claw	Mar 06th 2015	24
they did own them until 1991 tho	LegacyNS	Mar 06th 2015	5
Then I suppose there was no rivalry with the Lakers or Celtics either	auragin_boi	Mar 06th 2015	6
zeke and jordan same height...isiah woulda kicked his MORE	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	7
Their genetic structure is how it worked out...we can change rosters	auragin_boi	Mar 06th 2015	8
and the rosters and timing is how it worked out...isiah won 3-1	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	10
lol only in OKS is 6 < 2	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	11
I fully accept that...didn't say what Zeke said was a lie	auragin_boi	Mar 06th 2015	12
basically.	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	9
I feel like the Celts-Pistons and Lakers-Pistons series were closer, tho	Orbit_Established	Mar 06th 2015	16
Eh	auragin_boi	Mar 06th 2015	37
Zeke been acting like he has irritable bowel syndrome recently	southphillyman	Mar 06th 2015	13
This part is true, though	Orbit_Established	Mar 06th 2015	15
How is it a scam OE? I'll wait . . . .	Starks dunked on Bulls	Mar 06th 2015	31
zeke just want people to know what the score is	BrooklynWHAT	Mar 06th 2015	14
Jordan prematurely ended him and the Pistons.	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	18
Blew out his achilles. The Deam Team shit was bitchmade, though	Orbit_Established	Mar 06th 2015	23
obviously Zeke should've been on DreamTeam	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	56
lol at all this pb & j	guru0509	Mar 07th 2015	115
genuine dialogue	cgonz00cc	Mar 08th 2015	125
RE: lol at all this pb & j	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 08th 2015	137
No one had to like him, bullshitter	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	138
Except for the fact they obviously did.	Cold Truth	Mar 10th 2015	225
vinny was done. laimbeer was done. buddha was done.	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	27
dumars was in his prime. rodman was young. zeke still had years left	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	38
two starters and the 6th man were done, dude	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	40
who was the 2nd best player on that Pistons team?	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	42
cool, take harvey grant, cartwright and paxon off the bulls in 91	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	46
you mean horace grant?	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	52
Yeah, that Grant	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	55
RE: Yeah, that Grant	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 06th 2015	57
it's history	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	58
lol at you propping stacked teams and copping age pleas	auragin_boi	Mar 06th 2015	67
yes, we've had this discussion before...isiah won 3-1	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	70
soooooo true, and so overlooked	kayru99	Mar 07th 2015	88
RE: cool, take harvey grant, cartwright and paxon off the bulls in 91	UpNorth	Mar 09th 2015	213
lofl	cgonz00cc	Mar 06th 2015	75
when you own sombody like that..you don't duck your head	Warren Coolidge	Mar 06th 2015	17
RE: when you own sombody like that..you don't duck your head	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 06th 2015	19
/ post	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	20
I remember you said he had the Jermaine Jackson hairdo	Orbit_Established	Mar 06th 2015	21
that's prolly why bird did it to isiah in 88 and mchale manned up	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	22
why they reimagining history?	cgonz00cc	Mar 06th 2015	76
Bird and Mchale and them walked off the court like men...	Warren Coolidge	Mar 06th 2015	83
bird did not shake ANYONE's hand.	Basaglia	Mar 07th 2015	114
McHale did....	Warren Coolidge	Mar 08th 2015	118
so did dumars...that's the entire point	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	119
we talkin bout zeke though.... he talkin bout he owned somebody	Warren Coolidge	Mar 08th 2015	121
3-1...3 straight...no way around it. end of story.	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	128
zeke got an asterik for beating the Lakers...	Warren Coolidge	Mar 08th 2015	169
Nah if any team has an asterisk it should be that '88 Lake team	vee-lover	Mar 08th 2015	173
lakers get a bigger asterisk for 88, mad ass.	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	176
Bryce Alford >>> Bobby Hurley	Warren Coolidge	Mar 09th 2015	215
fuck i care?	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	216
fool..you the one brining ucla basketball into this....	Warren Coolidge	Mar 09th 2015	217
RE: when you own sombody like that..you don't duck your head	murph71	Mar 06th 2015	50
In the late 80s MJ was just a pup trying to get acclimated to new	Mignight Maruder	Mar 06th 2015	25
I'll take extra cheese with those extra pleas	Orbit_Established	Mar 06th 2015	26
Ah, so 80s MJ/Pip/H.Grant & Collins >>> 90s MJ/Pip/Grant/Feel/etc.???	Mignight Maruder	Mar 06th 2015	45
The last 12 seconds of that video is hot fiyah being spoken	vee-lover	Mar 06th 2015	28
i've learned to be glad they conspired to leave him off	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	29
Yeah, strangely the Dream Team shit kinda helped his legacy	Orbit_Established	Mar 06th 2015	33
uhhhh... what?	pretentious username	Mar 06th 2015	61
lol. Dude is losing it	PimpTrickGangstaClik	Mar 06th 2015	63
i had to double-check to make sure there wasn't a 2nd forgettable person	pretentious username	Mar 06th 2015	64
http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/09/crystal_mess.jpg	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 08th 2015	159
lol	astralblak	Mar 09th 2015	197
That's true but you know deep down that has to bother Zeke that he	vee-lover	Mar 06th 2015	34
Maybe a lil, but I think he loves the fact these big dorks were shook	TheRealBillyOcean	Mar 06th 2015	68
Magic	khn	Mar 06th 2015	80
And the fact that he couldn't show good sportmanship after losing that	Starks dunked on Bulls	Mar 06th 2015	30
Does that apply to Bird too? Since he and the C's did it to them	vee-lover	Mar 06th 2015	32
its like you didnt watch both events	GriftyMcgrift	Mar 07th 2015	113
make if the knicks had that kinda dog in them, theyd have rings	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	35
yea, 'cause oak/mason/xavier/ewing/starks/harp had no dog in them.	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	39
up 0-2 and losing 4 straight...yeah, not a dogg amongst them	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	41
them not winning a title had nothing to do w/ not having a 'dogg'	Vex_id	Mar 06th 2015	43
let me repeat...up 0-2, lost 4 straight	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	44
shut your bitch ass up about that 90's Knicks team	ShinobiShaw	Mar 06th 2015	47
aye, young, don't throw that in my face like i ain't pay my respects	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	48
fair enough (c) Patrice O'Neal	ShinobiShaw	Mar 06th 2015	53
You sound like a casual sports fan right now	Starks dunked on Bulls	Mar 06th 2015	69
you a knick fan. losing 4 straight after being up 0-2 is casual failure	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	71
Man go ahead. The Knicks that didnt give a fuck about MJ....	TheRealBillyOcean	Mar 06th 2015	74
yeah, that's not how rivalries work.	pretentious username	Mar 06th 2015	36
why is it so hard for ppl to say Jordan was getting his ass kicked? -lol	LegacyNS	Mar 06th 2015	49
basically. talmbout isiah walked off the court that one time	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	51
RE: why is it so hard for ppl to say Jordan was getting his ass kicked? ...	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 06th 2015	54
I never said one word about it not being a rivarly tho	LegacyNS	Mar 06th 2015	59
RE: I never said one word about it not being a rivarly tho	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 06th 2015	66
It's not that he didn't get his ass kicked	pretentious username	Mar 06th 2015	62
You know how it goes with Cheese Eyes.	Dr Claw	Mar 06th 2015	85
yes we know how it goes. Greatest To Ever Play.	Vex_id	Mar 07th 2015	108
LMAO no sense of irony whatsoever	cgonz00cc	Mar 08th 2015	126
I love that guy. He deserves a statue in front of the Palace.	guru0509	Mar 06th 2015	60
Lol...of course the majority of OKS don't like Zeke.	TheRealBillyOcean	Mar 06th 2015	65
lulz	dula dibiasi	Mar 06th 2015	72
Basically you just outlined why it wasn't a rivalry then LOL	vee-lover	Mar 06th 2015	79
can both be true?	Rjcc	Mar 06th 2015	73
fuck outta here...3-1...and isiah wins all time head-to-head, too	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	81
see? there's no reasoned reaction	Rjcc	Mar 09th 2015	189
i'm not discussing anything outside of 3 straight eliminations	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	201
why are people still butthurt about the end of the 91 ECF?	cgonz00cc	Mar 06th 2015	77
until they didn't ...then we owned them AND the L for 6 years	JAESCOTT777	Mar 06th 2015	78
Three outta four, sure. And then what happened?	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 06th 2015	82
who cares? the issue is the "rivalry" with zeke's pistons	Basaglia	Mar 06th 2015	84
No, the Pistons beat the Bulls 3/4 times head to head	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 07th 2015	99
No one said Zeke was as great as Jordan	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	143
The point is that Zeke vs Jordan is not a thing	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 08th 2015	147
The point is NO ONE FUCKING SAID THAT	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	158
NO ONE ARGUED IT DIDN'T HAPPEN lol	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 09th 2015	211
if 3 straight ain't owning, then what the hell is owning?	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	214
stupid ass debate imo.	dula dibiasi	Mar 06th 2015	86
"'Melo supposed to win with JR Smith" (c) OKS	Orbit_Established	Mar 07th 2015	87
win a playoff series with home court? make the playoffs? yes.	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 07th 2015	100
He did win a series with JR Smith.	Orbit_Established	Mar 11th 2015	230
exact. Cats are bitter that Zeke didn't achieve what MJ did	Vex_id	Mar 07th 2015	89
jaundiced sclera: still the GoAT madmaker	dula dibiasi	Mar 07th 2015	97
RE: stupid ass debate imo.	murph71	Mar 07th 2015	90
and losing to isiah all-time head-to-head and 3-1 in playoffs	Basaglia	Mar 07th 2015	91
Mofos in here listing Jordan's entire bio and coppin pleas in the same	vee-lover	Mar 07th 2015	93
Too bad nobody is listening to this sound logic.	muzuabo	Mar 08th 2015	146
The teams didn't play each other at their respective peaks	DJR	Mar 07th 2015	92
i've said this all along and they take it as a slap	Basaglia	Mar 07th 2015	96
lolz	dula dibiasi	Mar 07th 2015	98
RE: lolz	vee-lover	Mar 07th 2015	104
what are you even arguing?	dula dibiasi	Mar 07th 2015	105
That Detroit battling and subsequently beating the C's/Lakers	vee-lover	Mar 07th 2015	107
so to recap, detroit didn't beat Cs / lakers "in their primes"	dula dibiasi	Mar 07th 2015	112
oh jesus.	cgonz00cc	Mar 08th 2015	127
did DET go from top of the heap to over the hill btwn may 90 and may 91?	dula dibiasi	Mar 08th 2015	150
Rethink your question and ask it again smh	vee-lover	Mar 08th 2015	163
they were in there prime...bird was prime is 88 and 89. nah.	Basaglia	Mar 07th 2015	117
we are talking 89 and 90 fuck nah he was not in his prime	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 08th 2015	130
They got past them in 88...prime Bird. move on.	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	140
And then lost to the Lakers. In 89, Bird played SIX games.	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 08th 2015	148
i guess context only matters when it matters.	dula dibiasi	Mar 08th 2015	151
All that can be true and guess what?	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	166
which is fine, dogg. zeke beat jordan 3 times. cool. conceded.	dula dibiasi	Mar 08th 2015	170
Jeezus H Christ smh	vee-lover	Mar 08th 2015	174
NIGGA, that's what the thread is about tho!!!	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	175
o.	dula dibiasi	Mar 08th 2015	178
And they beat PRIME lakers the next year	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	160
No one was saying Bird/Celtics were past their prime in '87 and	vee-lover	Mar 08th 2015	164
I seem to recall Jorn torching the Cs for 63.	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 07th 2015	101
RE: you realize he and the Bulls were swept in that series	vee-lover	Mar 07th 2015	103
sure	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 08th 2015	129
Why bring it up then? What was your point?	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	142
busted sarcasm detector?	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 08th 2015	152
I honestly don't even understand what's being debated in here	LA2Philly	Mar 07th 2015	94
I guess that's what Isiah meant by saying it wasn't a rivalry but these....	Billy Ray Valentine	Mar 07th 2015	95
You're Zeke and you have a Napoleon complex.	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 07th 2015	102
Napoleon lost. Zeke didn't.	Basaglia	Mar 07th 2015	106
it's all good - somebody's gotta stick up for the less Great guy	Vex_id	Mar 07th 2015	109
Which is why you can't praise the 'little guy' enough	vee-lover	Mar 07th 2015	110
RE: Which is why you can't praise the 'little guy' enough	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 07th 2015	111
and don't forget the "GOAT" lost more times to zeke...period	Basaglia	Mar 07th 2015	116
RE: and don't forget the "GOAT" lost more times to zeke...period	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 08th 2015	136
Footnotes is everything in this thread outside 3-1	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	139
C'mon.	muzuabo	Mar 08th 2015	153
You're close but you left out how Zeke routinely kicked MJ's ass	vee-lover	Mar 08th 2015	165
exactly...all i keep hearing about is what he did AFTER isiah	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	179
that's true in a lot of situations tho... doesn't change people from	LegacyNS	Mar 08th 2015	131
lol see this is where it's ridiculous:	Vex_id	Mar 08th 2015	134
Magic had Kareem on his team every year.. did they win every year? - lol	LegacyNS	Mar 08th 2015	144
here's the "owned" .gif...	Warren Coolidge	Mar 08th 2015	120
3 straight years of eliminating jordan.	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	122
so can Karl Malone say he owned Shaq and Kobe	Warren Coolidge	Mar 08th 2015	123
If he eliminated them 3 straight, he can	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	124
The look on Jordan's face	Beezo	Mar 08th 2015	132
RE: The look on Jordan's face	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 08th 2015	135
lol Zeke couldn't even stand straight and look at the God in his face	Vex_id	Mar 08th 2015	133
walked out like a true bitch	southphillyman	Mar 09th 2015	203
that's great, but 3-1	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	204
lol	Cenario	Mar 11th 2015	227
This issue will never be about what it's about	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	141
RE: This issue will never be about what it's about	murph71	Mar 08th 2015	145
haha - iono about Bron tho, them youngins already kickin him in the nuts...	LegacyNS	Mar 08th 2015	149
there's no way in hell lebron wins 5 more rings.	dula dibiasi	Mar 08th 2015	155
By that logic, Jordan's six were impossible	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 08th 2015	161
it's not happening.	dula dibiasi	Mar 08th 2015	171
yeah i mean 95% no, maybe more.	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 09th 2015	212
you never know dude...you see him staying in cleveland for the rest	Cenario	Mar 11th 2015	228
I think this year is critical for another run like he had in Miami..	LegacyNS	Mar 08th 2015	172
K	ConcreteCharlie	Mar 08th 2015	154
furious styles	astralblak	Mar 09th 2015	198
Nobody would question him on it if he didn't walk off the way he did	icecold21	Mar 08th 2015	156
If you know the reason why he and the Pistons walked off	vee-lover	Mar 08th 2015	157
So that justifies him not being the bigger man?	icecold21	Mar 08th 2015	167
Man, to hell w/that 'bigger man' BS - like I said, mofos won't let Isiah	vee-lover	Mar 08th 2015	168
the reason?? dude you way over thinking this...	Warren Coolidge	Mar 08th 2015	177
There's nothing to "over think" - ya'll Jordan stans are pathetic, plain	vee-lover	Mar 09th 2015	206
lolol... I just realized you called me a Jordan - stan...	Warren Coolidge	Mar 10th 2015	221
lolol	Cenario	Mar 11th 2015	229
But that's what you're doing when criticize Isiah for not shaking	vee-lover	Mar 11th 2015	234
No one questions Bird when he walked off in 88	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	162
RE: No one questions Bird when he walked off in 88	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 08th 2015	180
apparently, the post about walking off, not 3 straight eliminations	Basaglia	Mar 08th 2015	181
RE: apparently, the post about walking off, not 3 straight eliminations	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 09th 2015	183
cool. if you wanna say it was a rivalry...pistons won 3-1	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	185
RE: cool. if you wanna say it was a rivalry...pistons won 3-1	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 09th 2015	186
RE: cool. if you wanna say it was a rivalry...pistons won 3-1	murph71	Mar 09th 2015	188
finally? i've been consistent the ENTIRE time.	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	190
RE: finally? i've been consistent the ENTIRE time.	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 09th 2015	192
you can't find where i said IT WASN'T, dogg.	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	193
Hey guys, Venus OWNED Serena.....until she grew up	Beamer6178	Mar 09th 2015	182
no, serena leads that series all-time. not the case with zeke-jordan	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	184
because venus played long enough for her to catch up and surpass	Beamer6178	Mar 09th 2015	187
well, that's tennis and this is basketball...3-1	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	191
suspect arguments transcend specific sports	Beamer6178	Mar 09th 2015	194
idiotic. 5 players play basketball. 1 person plays tennis. REAL DUMB.	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	195
yet u are the one with the tennis arguments LOL	rl9	Mar 09th 2015	205
i can only go by the times they played	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	207
lol yeah, it's not tennis.	rl9	Mar 09th 2015	208
speculating what jordan would done to the 89 pistons with the 92 bulls	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	209
hmmmm....	Beamer6178	Mar 10th 2015	224
so? you mad? zeke booted him 3 straight years...not 1, not 2...	Basaglia	Mar 11th 2015	231
you've lost track of your own incensed posts at this point	Beamer6178	Mar 11th 2015	235
this post is a fucn mess. jesus	astralblak	Mar 09th 2015	196
why should anyone concede to qualifications?	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	200
RE: Zeke: "Bulls-Pistons wasn't a rivalry. We owned them (video)"	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 09th 2015	199
yes, a rivalry that they won handily...i never said different	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	202
RE: yes, a rivalry that they won handily...i never said different	COOLEHMAGAZINE	Mar 09th 2015	220
that's all you had to say...be happy with 6. i'm happy with 3 straight.	Basaglia	Mar 10th 2015	222
po baby! bless his heart.	SoWhat	Mar 09th 2015	210
Celtics walking off court against pistons	Warren Coolidge	Mar 09th 2015	218
dumars did the same...so?	Basaglia	Mar 09th 2015	219
so Dumars got class and sportsmanship and Zeke don't...	Warren Coolidge	Mar 10th 2015	223
mchale got class and sportsmanship and bird don't...cool.	Basaglia	Mar 11th 2015	226
yeah you care.... any chance to promote an image contrary	Warren Coolidge	Mar 11th 2015	232
eh...just stay consistent	Basaglia	Mar 11th 2015	233

Cenario
Member since Aug 24th 2005
59181 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 09:26 AM

1. "i couldn't watch the link but you can own a team and it still be a rival..."
In response to Reply # 0

knicks/bulls
ind/miami
patriots/giants

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Vex_id
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65616 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 09:30 AM

2. "lol Zeke is still mad that he got swept"
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Fri Mar-06-15 09:37 AM by Vex_id

still can't accept the fact that Jordan and the Bulls grossly over-shadowed
his Detroit dynasty.

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 09:36 AM

4. "."
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Fri Mar-06-15 09:36 AM by Vex_id

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
49463 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 09:33 AM

3. "it's been "discussed" for the entire decade i've been on OKP"
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no one wants to deal with isiah thomas' legacy with any amount of fairness or basic respect for the game.

it's disgusting.

jordan is made to be infallible, but no one can reconcile how the isiah thomas led pistons kicked his ass over and over again.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Dr Claw
Member since Jun 25th 2003
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Fri Mar-06-15 12:38 PM

24. "^^^^"
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>no one wants to deal with isiah thomas' legacy with any amount
>of fairness or basic respect for the game.
>
>it's disgusting.
>
>jordan is made to be infallible, but no one can reconcile how
>the isiah thomas led pistons kicked his ass over and over
>again.

sounds like someone else I know

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LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
38095 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 09:37 AM

5. "they did own them until 1991 tho"
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1988 - Won NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals (4-1) versus Chicago Bulls

1989 - Won NBA Eastern Conference Finals (4-2) versus Chicago Bulls

1990 - Won NBA Eastern Conference Finals (4-3) versus Chicago Bulls

1991 - Lost NBA Eastern Conference Finals (0-4) versus Chicago Bulls

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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auragin_boi
Member since Aug 01st 2003
20939 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 09:42 AM

6. "Then I suppose there was no rivalry with the Lakers or Celtics either"
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because they owned Detroit...until the Pistons finally beat them. Same with the Bulls/Pistons.

I guess he's just tired of hearing how Jordan is the GOAT. I get that, but we all know...zeke vs Jordan with comparable talent on each roster...W goes to Jordan. Because when Jordan got comparable talent, that's what happened.

Nothing to see here.

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
49463 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 09:46 AM

7. "zeke and jordan same height...isiah woulda kicked his MORE "
In response to Reply # 6

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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auragin_boi
Member since Aug 01st 2003
20939 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 09:50 AM

8. "Their genetic structure is how it worked out...we can change rosters"
In response to Reply # 7

And who's to say Zeke would have the same skillset at 6'6" he had at 6'1". He probably wouldn't have been playing PG, which means his whole life/game changes. Waaaay too many variables to say at the same height Zeke would have been better.

There were NO 6'6" guards with handles like Zeke in the 80's so he probably wouldn't have played the same. Even Magic at 6'9" didn't have a handle like Zeke. He just had good ball control and knew how to protect his dribble. Zeke was a wiz with the handle. If you make Jordan Shaq's height, doesn't mean you get Jordan as we know him at Shaq's height. His coaching, training and abilities all change.

C'mon B.

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
49463 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 09:53 AM

10. "and the rosters and timing is how it worked out...isiah won 3-1"
In response to Reply # 8

your man got 6. be happy. but you will live with the fact that isiah owned his ass.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 09:54 AM

11. "lol only in OKS is 6 < 2"
In response to Reply # 10

i love it tho.

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auragin_boi
Member since Aug 01st 2003
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Fri Mar-06-15 10:13 AM

12. "I fully accept that...didn't say what Zeke said was a lie"
In response to Reply # 10

just saying he has to bow down to those that owned him too if that's the case. Hell, the only real rivalry in the 80's was the Celtics/Lakers because they went back and forth with each other.

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Fri Mar-06-15 09:51 AM

9. "basically."
In response to Reply # 6

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Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52934 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 11:22 AM

16. "I feel like the Celts-Pistons and Lakers-Pistons series were closer, tho"
In response to Reply # 6

Maybe I'm wrong, somebody check

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"

"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

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auragin_boi
Member since Aug 01st 2003
20939 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 02:00 PM

37. "Eh"
In response to Reply # 16

Celtics vs Pistons
4-2
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1985_ECS.html#BOS-DET
Pistons lost to the Hawks in the first round in 1986, 3-1
4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1987_ECF.html#BOS-DET

Bulls vs Pistons
4-1 (Scottie and Horace's Rookie year)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988_ECS.html#DET-CHI
4-2
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1989_ECF.html#DET-CHI
4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1990_ECF.html#DET-CHI

Lakers vs Pistons
4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988_finals.html#LAL-DET

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southphillyman
Member since Oct 22nd 2003
90059 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 10:33 AM

13. "Zeke been acting like he has irritable bowel syndrome recently"
In response to Reply # 0

he was on nba tv calling analytics the biggest scam going right now
he gave a whole speech about how ppl who didn't play in the nba don't have the participation level required to get a true education of the game

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Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52934 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 10:52 AM

15. "This part is true, though"
In response to Reply # 13

>he was on nba tv calling analytics the biggest scam going
>right now

It is a scam

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

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Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:13 PM

31. "How is it a scam OE? I'll wait . . . ."
In response to Reply # 15

>>he was on nba tv calling analytics the biggest scam going
>>right now
>
>It is a scam
>
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>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

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BrooklynWHAT
Member since Jun 15th 2007
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Fri Mar-06-15 10:51 AM

14. "zeke just want people to know what the score is"
In response to Reply # 0

sure 6 > 2.

but zeke can look at jorn and say that man didn't own me. thats all.

<--- Big Baller World Order

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 11:27 AM

18. "Jordan prematurely ended him and the Pistons."
In response to Reply # 14

Zeke was only 30 when he got swept by Jordan - and he drifted
into irrelevance for the final few seasons after Jordan finally was
surrounded by a competent cast and shut down business for every
other peer.

Not exactly persuasive evidence for Zeke "owning" Jordan.

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Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
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Fri Mar-06-15 12:18 PM

23. "Blew out his achilles. The Deam Team shit was bitchmade, though"
In response to Reply # 18

Isiah should have been on that team.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 03:32 PM

56. "obviously Zeke should've been on DreamTeam"
In response to Reply # 23

but that's as much his fault as anyone else's. He threw out
some low blows. Never gave Jordan his due, straight disrespect
in walking out w/ time on the clock and not properly passing the
torch to the next Great (who happened to be all the time Great) -
saying he shouldn't have been an all-star and conspiring not to
pass him the ball in the ASG, saying Bird wasn't anything special
and if he were black, would just be 'another guy' - his beef w/
magic. I mean dude went out of his way to be just wrong and bitter -
he made his own bed.

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guru0509
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Sat Mar-07-15 10:00 PM

115. "lol at all this pb & j"
In response to Reply # 56

>but that's as much his fault as anyone else's. He threw out
>some low blows. Never gave Jordan his due, straight
>disrespect
>in walking out w/ time on the clock and not properly passing
>the
>torch to the next Great (who happened to be all the time
>Great) -
>saying he shouldn't have been an all-star and conspiring not
>to
>pass him the ball in the ASG, saying Bird wasn't anything
>special
>and if he were black, would just be 'another guy' - his beef
>w/
>magic. I mean dude went out of his way to be just wrong and
>bitter -
>he made his own bed.

the best players from the united states belonged on the team, & last I checked, Isiah is from Chicago. Charles Barkely was no choirboy & they were sorta scared to ask, but in the end, they had no problem w him being on the team.

Isiah's alleged "baggage" should have had no bearing.

John Stockton isnt fit to do isiah's laundry, let alone take his place on that dream team.

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

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cgonz00cc
Member since Aug 01st 2002
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Sun Mar-08-15 04:34 AM

125. "genuine dialogue"
In response to Reply # 115

>the best players from the united states belonged on the team,
>& last I checked, Isiah is from Chicago. Charles Barkely was
>no choirboy & they were sorta scared to ask, but in the end,
>they had no problem w him being on the team.
>
>Isiah's alleged "baggage" should have had no bearing.
>
>John Stockton isnt fit to do isiah's laundry, let alone take
>his place on that dream team.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
Member since May 22nd 2007
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Sun Mar-08-15 10:09 AM

137. "RE: lol at all this pb & j"
In response to Reply # 115

Nobody liked dude. To the point motherfuckers would rather stay home than go travel around the world with that miserable motherfucker.

Not anyone elses fault that he failed to earn the professional respect of his peers.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
49463 posts

Sun Mar-08-15 12:11 PM

138. "No one had to like him, bullshitter"
In response to Reply # 137

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
44846 posts

Tue Mar-10-15 11:05 PM

225. "Except for the fact they obviously did."
In response to Reply # 138

It's literally why he wasn't on the team.

History says you're 100% wrong.

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 12:48 PM

27. "vinny was done. laimbeer was done. buddha was done. "
In response to Reply # 18

and isiah had his wrist fused together and battled other injuries all season.

you kinda had to actually follow the game back then, champ.

the damn hawks almost "ended" them in round 1.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:01 PM

38. "dumars was in his prime. rodman was young. zeke still had years left"
In response to Reply # 27

that he didn't have the durability and longevity to compete beyond
30 isn't an excuse. Jordan came of age and there was no way
that Detroit (healthy or not) was going to stop that tsunami of
greatness. They feasted on a poorly assembled Bulls team prior
to '91, and quickly got booted the fuck out the league earlier
than they would have liked to.

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:03 PM

40. "two starters and the 6th man were done, dude"
In response to Reply # 38

the conversation's over.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:07 PM

42. "who was the 2nd best player on that Pistons team?"
In response to Reply # 40

right, Dumars. They still had a young Rodman and could re-tool
to compete. They quickly realized they weren't fucking w/ the GOAT.

they had a great run -- but it was cut short by Jordan. No shame in
going home early to the greatest to ever play.

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:21 PM

46. "cool, take harvey grant, cartwright and paxon off the bulls in 91"
In response to Reply # 42

hell, just make them HALF as effective as they were and give jordan a significant hand injury and some ankle issue to play through, as was the case with the pistons.

i like the pistons odds.

you're out of your depth, trying to piece together a reality that you didn't experience from web searches.

not only were the pistons OLD...the lakers were OLD...the celtics were OLD...they beat each other up and jordan came in and ate heavily against a group of peers (malone, stock, ewing, miller, chuck, payton, kemp, clyde) that didn't have the same DNA as magic, bird, zeke, moses, kareem, doc, etc.).

jordan's competitive nature gets all that pub because of who he competed against to win those titles. third tier HOFs.

jordan wasn't no damn kid in 88,89, 90...nah, he just LOST.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 03:05 PM

52. "you mean horace grant?"
In response to Reply # 46

you have to have had watched the games to know wtf you talking about, champ.

the bulls *did* take paxson, cartwright, and horace grant off their teams, and they
still won another 3 w/ out those guys.

pippen and jordan were the nucleus, other guys were expendable.

zeke and dumars should have been able to be the nucleus and make another run,
but they couldn't deal w/ the GOAT. no shame in that.

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 03:22 PM

55. "Yeah, that Grant "
In response to Reply # 52

Anything they won after the pistons, lakers and celtics were old and washed, I don't trip off.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
Member since May 22nd 2007
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Fri Mar-06-15 03:38 PM

57. "RE: Yeah, that Grant "
In response to Reply # 55

>Anything they won after the pistons, lakers and celtics were
>old and washed, I don't trip off.

That's convenient

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 03:42 PM

58. "it's history"
In response to Reply # 57

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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auragin_boi
Member since Aug 01st 2003
20939 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 05:06 PM

67. "lol at you propping stacked teams and copping age pleas"
In response to Reply # 46
Fri Mar-06-15 05:08 PM by auragin_boi

you put Nique and Dream on Jordan's team in 86 and the Lakers and C's don't win a title for the rest of the decade and we never hear about Zeke winning anything.

We've had this discussion before,

Kareem, Magic, Worthy (not to mention Scott and Thompson)
Bird, Parrish, McHale (not to mention DJ and Ainge)
Zeke, Lambieer, Dumars, Dantley (not to mention Rodman, Mahorn, Microwave)

So when Jordan finally got comparable players (pippen, Horace, cartwright, Paxson, etc.) that developed and helped, he won.

He arguably did more with less and I'd STILL take the 3 peat bulls over the bad boys.

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 05:48 PM

70. "yes, we've had this discussion before...isiah won 3-1"
In response to Reply # 67

we've had it over and over. 3-1 is bottomline.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
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Sat Mar-07-15 08:49 AM

88. "soooooo true, and so overlooked"
In response to Reply # 46

>not only were the pistons OLD...the lakers were OLD...the
>celtics were OLD...they beat each other up and jordan came in
>and ate heavily against a group of peers (malone, stock,
>ewing, miller, chuck, payton, kemp, clyde) that didn't have
>the same DNA as magic, bird, zeke, moses, kareem, doc, etc.).

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UpNorth
Member since Aug 23rd 2011
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Mon Mar-09-15 06:09 PM

213. "RE: cool, take harvey grant, cartwright and paxon off the bulls in 91"
In response to Reply # 46

LOL

'you're out of your depth, trying to piece together a reality that you didn't experience from web searches. '
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cgonz00cc
Member since Aug 01st 2002
35259 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 06:49 PM

75. "lofl"
In response to Reply # 18

How did Jordan make Isiah's achilles tendon explode?

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Warren Coolidge
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Fri Mar-06-15 11:26 AM

17. "when you own sombody like that..you don't duck your head"
In response to Reply # 0

and walk off the court like a coward...

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
Member since May 22nd 2007
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Fri Mar-06-15 11:30 AM

19. "RE: when you own sombody like that..you don't duck your head"
In response to Reply # 17

>and walk off the court like a coward...
>
>

That shit that make your soul burn slow

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

http://coolehmag.com/frontEnd/

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 11:34 AM

20. "/ post"
In response to Reply # 17

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Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52934 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 11:47 AM

21. "I remember you said he had the Jermaine Jackson hairdo"
In response to Reply # 17

I was in tears

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"

"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
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Fri Mar-06-15 11:54 AM

22. "that's prolly why bird did it to isiah in 88 and mchale manned up"
In response to Reply # 17

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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cgonz00cc
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Fri Mar-06-15 06:50 PM

76. "why they reimagining history?"
In response to Reply # 22

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Warren Coolidge
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Fri Mar-06-15 11:19 PM

83. "Bird and Mchale and them walked off the court like men..."
In response to Reply # 22

shook hands..congratulated Isiah and them and wished them luck..

it was still a bad look to walk off the court..but they walked off like grown men..

Isiah and Laimbeer...ducked by Jordan with his head down like a straight batch....

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Basaglia
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Sat Mar-07-15 09:41 PM

114. "bird did not shake ANYONE's hand. "
In response to Reply # 83

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Warren Coolidge
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Sun Mar-08-15 12:34 AM

118. "McHale did.... "
In response to Reply # 114

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 12:42 AM

119. "so did dumars...that's the entire point"
In response to Reply # 118

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Warren Coolidge
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Sun Mar-08-15 12:52 AM

121. "we talkin bout zeke though.... he talkin bout he owned somebody"
In response to Reply # 119

and walked off the court duckin his head past Jordan and pippen like a little kid afraid he bout to get the shit slapped out of him...

Isiah was a great player... no doubt.... but Jordan and Magic were both better..

better players..better teams...

period...

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 04:46 AM

128. "3-1...3 straight...no way around it. end of story."
In response to Reply # 121

they were all better and he still beat them.

and he said "WE owned them"

stop tryna make it about other stuff. stick to the point.

tony parker a fat big head scrub, by the way.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Warren Coolidge
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:55 PM

169. "zeke got an asterik for beating the Lakers..."
In response to Reply # 128

and Tony Parker won't be running failed cream puff businesses. He'll be a contributor in the NBA no question..

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
20388 posts

Sun Mar-08-15 06:33 PM

173. "Nah if any team has an asterisk it should be that '88 Lake team "
In response to Reply # 169

>and Tony Parker won't be running failed cream puff
>businesses. He'll be a contributor in the NBA no question..
>
>

grassrootsphilosopher

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 08:24 PM

176. "lakers get a bigger asterisk for 88, mad ass. "
In response to Reply # 169

tony parker a fat meatheaded idiot. nigga got rolls on his fuckin neck. he sorry.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Warren Coolidge
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Mon Mar-09-15 09:05 PM

215. "Bryce Alford >>> Bobby Hurley"
In response to Reply # 176

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 09:25 PM

216. "fuck i care?"
In response to Reply # 215

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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Warren Coolidge
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Mon Mar-09-15 09:27 PM

217. "fool..you the one brining ucla basketball into this...."
In response to Reply # 216

but ain't said shit about Kevon Looney or Norman Powell..

you'll just wait until they make the pros and them start jockin em like you did Westbrook..

I c u....

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murph71
Member since Sep 15th 2005
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:38 PM

50. "RE: when you own sombody like that..you don't duck your head"
In response to Reply # 17

>and walk off the court like a coward...

Well, that's that.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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Mignight Maruder
Member since Nov 30th 2003
7717 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 12:40 PM

25. "In the late 80s MJ was just a pup trying to get acclimated to new"
In response to Reply # 0

and developing teammates and coaches. He hadn't hit his prime yet while Zeke reached his. By '91 it was wrap. MJ was the most unstoppable force the NBA has perhaps ever seen. It was wrap. MJ and the 90s Bulls would have owned those Pistons teams. Who knows, maybe those Pistons teams steal few here and there. But if we're truly being honest with ourselves, those 90s Bulls teams would have prevailed against the Bad Boys.

So yeah, sure. Zeke and the Pistons owned the Bulls in the late 80s/90, but that's such a pathetic and disingenuous way to brag about yourself. The rivalry doesn't begin and end with just you, Zeke, and on your own terms at that.

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Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
52934 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 12:46 PM

26. "I'll take extra cheese with those extra pleas"
In response to Reply # 25

Little 6'1 Zeke beat the golden boys

Hugs for everyone on the Orbster

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"

"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

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Mignight Maruder
Member since Nov 30th 2003
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:14 PM

45. "Ah, so 80s MJ/Pip/H.Grant & Collins >>> 90s MJ/Pip/Grant/Feel/etc.??? "
In response to Reply # 26

Got it.

Again, not sure some of you guys understand how rivalries work.

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:10 PM

28. "The last 12 seconds of that video is hot fiyah being spoken"
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Mar-06-15 01:20 PM by vee-lover

And why I say this man is the least appreciated NBA superstar in the last 30 years (little men never get the same props as forwards/centers)

The Pistons were exhausted from having gone deep in the postseason for something like 6 years straight ...and the Bulls finally caught up to them

Isaiah could've/should've had at least 4 chips if it weren't for his errant inbound pass and some horrible officiating vs the Lakers...perhaps then he'd be more appreciated as one of true legends of the game

All the intangibles ppl fawn over Jordan/Bird and whoever else for, such as being fiery competitors, mental toughness, Isaiah had all those same qualities

He is still thee ONLY PG to be the best player/leader of an. NBA championship team...and he did it in what has been hailed as the GREATEST/GOLDEN ERA in league history when it was filled with All-Time great Centers/Small forwards/shooting guards...unlike today where the league is heavily a perimeter oriented and PG-centric league

For the record, I'd still take the Pistons at their best over the Bulls

Jordan and Pippen should never be forgiven how they cheated that man out of one of, if not, the most prestigious honor of being the 1st NBA players to play for the Olympic team

That will forever remain a 'black eye' for the league as far I'm concerned

grassrootsphilosopher

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:11 PM

29. "i've learned to be glad they conspired to leave him off"
In response to Reply # 28

shows how mad they were he kicked their ass all them years

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:16 PM

33. "Yeah, strangely the Dream Team shit kinda helped his legacy"
In response to Reply # 29

Nobody really think about most of that team

It sticks out like such a sore thumb that its
increased his visibility

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pretentious username
Member since Jun 18th 2010
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Fri Mar-06-15 04:25 PM

61. "uhhhh... what?"
In response to Reply # 33

>
>Nobody really think about most of that team
>

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PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
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Fri Mar-06-15 04:42 PM

63. "lol. Dude is losing it"
In response to Reply # 61
Fri Mar-06-15 04:46 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

Only person that people might be able to forget is Christian Laettner.

Everybody else is a hall of famer

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pretentious username
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Fri Mar-06-15 04:47 PM

64. "i had to double-check to make sure there wasn't a 2nd forgettable person"
In response to Reply # 63

>Only person that people might be able to forget is Christian
>Laettner.
>
>Everybody else is a hall of famer

nope, i was right. just Laettner.

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:13 PM

159. "http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/09/crystal_mess.jpg"
In response to Reply # 33

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/09/crystal_mess.jpg

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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astralblak
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:29 PM

197. "lol"
In response to Reply # 159

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:24 PM

34. "That's true but you know deep down that has to bother Zeke that he"
In response to Reply # 29
Fri Mar-06-15 01:25 PM by vee-lover

for the 1st time I'm sure in his basketball career was denied a spot on a roster not because he wasn't deserving of it, but because of bitch-made politics...from his *peers* of all ppl. Smh

>shows how mad they were he kicked their ass all them years

grassrootsphilosopher

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Fri Mar-06-15 05:26 PM

68. "Maybe a lil, but I think he loves the fact these big dorks were shook"
In response to Reply # 34

of a lil 170 lb dude wearing Asics.

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khn
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Fri Mar-06-15 08:46 PM

80. "Magic"
In response to Reply # 28

>He is still thee ONLY PG to be the best player/leader of an.
>NBA championship team...and he did it in what has been hailed
>as the GREATEST/GOLDEN ERA in league history when it was
>filled with All-Time great Centers/Small forwards/shooting
>guards...unlike today where the league is heavily a perimeter
>oriented and PG-centric league

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Starks dunked on Bulls
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:12 PM

30. "And the fact that he couldn't show good sportmanship after losing that "
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Mar-06-15 01:13 PM by Starks dunked on Bul

one time makes him look bad.

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vee-lover
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:15 PM

32. "Does that apply to Bird too? Since he and the C's did it to them"
In response to Reply # 30

>one time makes him look bad.

grassrootsphilosopher

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GriftyMcgrift
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Sat Mar-07-15 09:18 PM

113. "its like you didnt watch both events"
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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:25 PM

35. "make if the knicks had that kinda dog in them, theyd have rings"
In response to Reply # 30

y'all dutifully shook hands year after year and all y'all got to show for it is jordan finishing on pat's face and yelling at the camera like wesley pipes at the end of a scene.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:03 PM

39. "yea, 'cause oak/mason/xavier/ewing/starks/harp had *no* dog in them."
In response to Reply # 35

k.

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:07 PM

41. "up 0-2 and losing 4 straight...yeah, not a dogg amongst them"
In response to Reply # 39

and oak is one of jordan's best friends to this day. that ain't a competitor.

isiah and magic were BEST friends and it took 25 years to repair it, because zeke learned he had to be ruthless in pursuit of a title.

the knicks were not ruthless. they were clowns.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Vex_id
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:09 PM

43. "them not winning a title had nothing to do w/ not having a 'dogg'"
In response to Reply # 41

in them. Walking off the court w/ their head hanging low and hiding
from Jordan wouldn't have propelled them to a title, doggie.

>and oak is one of jordan's best friends to this day. that
>ain't a competitor.
>
>isiah and magic were BEST friends and it took 25 years to
>repair it, because zeke learned he had to be ruthless in
>pursuit of a title.
>
>the knicks were not ruthless. they were clowns.

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:12 PM

44. "let me repeat...up 0-2, lost 4 straight"
In response to Reply # 43

i don't care WHO they played.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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ShinobiShaw
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:23 PM

47. "shut your bitch ass up about that 90's Knicks team"
In response to Reply # 41

The same week A.Mason died too, fuck you nigga

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:29 PM

48. "aye, young, don't throw that in my face like i ain't pay my respects"
In response to Reply # 47

yeah, i'm sorry he died, but back atcha wit all that, dude. don't put that on me.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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ShinobiShaw
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Fri Mar-06-15 03:09 PM

53. "fair enough (c) Patrice O'Neal"
In response to Reply # 48

http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

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Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
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Fri Mar-06-15 05:45 PM

69. "You sound like a casual sports fan right now"
In response to Reply # 41
Fri Mar-06-15 05:49 PM by Starks dunked on Bul

>and oak is one of jordan's best friends to this day. that
>ain't a competitor.
>
>isiah and magic were BEST friends and it took 25 years to
>repair it, because zeke learned he had to be ruthless in
>pursuit of a title.
>
>the knicks were not ruthless. they were clowns.

Their physical and mental toughness is the main reason why they were able to compete. Thats why when we brought in soft Charles Smith he stood out like a sore thumb/black sheep. The 90s Knicks were kicking opponents in their throats.

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 05:49 PM

71. "you a knick fan. losing 4 straight after being up 0-2 is casual failure"
In response to Reply # 69

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Fri Mar-06-15 06:44 PM

74. "Man go ahead. The Knicks that didnt give a fuck about MJ...."
In response to Reply # 69

Mase and Starks weren't stars or leaders. The only other cat who didn't care (Riley) didnt play.

The league was full of MJ's sons in the 90s

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pretentious username
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Fri Mar-06-15 01:48 PM

36. "yeah, that's not how rivalries work."
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LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:36 PM

49. "why is it so hard for ppl to say Jordan was getting his ass kicked? -lol"
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Mar-06-15 02:42 PM by LegacyNS

I mean, it doesn't take away from what he accomplished at all. However, he was human. He didn't win every year. He didn't dominate until he and the Bulls emerged as the last remaining team from that golden era (Celtics, Lakers, Pistons).

Mofos act like admitting this turns their latest pair of Jordan's into some british knights.. lol

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1359773209_British%20Knights%20sneakers.jpg

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 02:44 PM

51. "basically. talmbout isiah walked off the court that one time"
In response to Reply # 49

yanno, that ONE time jordan could eliminate him ON THE COURT.

the other time, he did it by making bitchmade phone calls talmbout he won't play if zeke plays.

that's they man. but i'm supposed to feel bad zeke ain't shake hands? LMAO!!!

cowardly backroom call making "republicans wear shoes, too" ass bamma.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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Fri Mar-06-15 03:20 PM

54. "RE: why is it so hard for ppl to say Jordan was getting his ass kicked? ..."
In response to Reply # 49

It's still a rivalry. WTF are y'all talking about???

Bulls-Knicks was a fucking rivalry. Doesn't matter if the Bulls beat em.

All these years later, all I am left with is that Isaiah is a fucking weirdo.

Great player, but something off about dude.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
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Fri Mar-06-15 03:49 PM

59. "I never said one word about it not being a rivarly tho"
In response to Reply # 54

I'm talkin about people coming up w/ 1,001 reasons why the Pistons used to kick the Bulls ass..

They did.. if you lived thru it and saw it there is really no debate.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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Fri Mar-06-15 04:59 PM

66. "RE: I never said one word about it not being a rivarly tho"
In response to Reply # 59

If anyone is in here saying the Bulls had a better team than those Pistons teams that beat them, they are idiots.

But I'm not seeing a lot of people saying that. Quite the opposite, really.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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pretentious username
Member since Jun 18th 2010
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Fri Mar-06-15 04:35 PM

62. "It's not that he didn't get his ass kicked"
In response to Reply # 49

It's that focusing on those ass-kickings is a sly way of saying Isaiah was better without actually going out on the limb of saying he was better. Then when you're called out for that you get to be all cute and say "I never said he was better, I just said he beat Jordan." Plus whenever you look at an older team-younger team rivalry in retrospect it's kinda like: No shit the older team was winning first. That's happened to almost every great player before they became a winner.

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Dr Claw
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Fri Mar-06-15 11:40 PM

85. "You know how it goes with Cheese Eyes."
In response to Reply # 49

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Vex_id
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Sat Mar-07-15 06:20 PM

108. "yes we know how it goes. Greatest To Ever Play. "
In response to Reply # 85

next topic.

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cgonz00cc
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Sun Mar-08-15 04:35 AM

126. "LMAO no sense of irony whatsoever"
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guru0509
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Fri Mar-06-15 04:22 PM

60. "I love that guy. He deserves a statue in front of the Palace."
In response to Reply # 0

-------------------
I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

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TheRealBillyOcean
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Fri Mar-06-15 04:58 PM

65. "Lol...of course the majority of OKS don't like Zeke."
In response to Reply # 0

Most of y'all hate any NBA player who is honest, driven, competitive & openly hates their competiton.

It's weird, but those are the same reasons I fuck with KG, Kobe, Pierce, Rondo, and now Russ is stepping into that mold.

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dula dibiasi
Member since Apr 05th 2004
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Fri Mar-06-15 06:10 PM

72. "lulz"
In response to Reply # 0

yeah, jordan totally should've beat the pistons in 88. when chicago's second leading scorer was sam vincent.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988_ECS.html#CHI::none

or in 89, when his second option was craig hodges.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1989_ECF.html#CHI::none

or in 90, when his teammates shot a combined 154 for 403 (38.2%) for the series.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1990_ECF.html#CHI::none

totally his bad.

jordan btw SWEPT zeke w/ arguably the worst of his 6 champion squads. the later rodman/kukoc/kerr/harper/prime scottie iteration would've cut them to ribbons.

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vee-lover
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Fri Mar-06-15 07:31 PM

79. "Basically you just outlined why it wasn't a rivalry then LOL"
In response to Reply # 72
Fri Mar-06-15 07:33 PM by vee-lover

and that when the Bulls finally did gett over the hump, it had more to do w/the Pistons being tired and banged up than the Bulls being a better team than them....

>yeah, jordan totally should've beat the pistons in 88. when
>chicago's second leading scorer was sam vincent.
>
>http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988_ECS.html#CHI::none
>
>or in 89, when his second option was craig hodges.
>
>http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1989_ECF.html#CHI::none
>
>or in 90, when his teammates shot a combined 154 for 403
>(38.2%) for the series.
>
>http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1990_ECF.html#CHI::none
>
>totally his bad.
>
>jordan btw SWEPT zeke w/ arguably the worst of his 6 champion
>squads. the later rodman/kukoc/kerr/harper/prime scottie
>iteration would've cut them to ribbons.

You are out of your mind - where was the offense going to come from??

That 96/97/98 Bulls teams had ONLY 3 players averaging double figures (Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc) and I'd still take a healthy Detroit over *any* of those Bulls squads who had the luxury of not having to face NOT ONE GREAT TEAM during their entire championship run...also, the Bulls weren't better defensively either than the 'Bad Boys'

And let's not forget that he Pistons Rodman was easily better than the Rodman the Bulls got

Those Pistons were going toe-to-toe w/the C's and Lakers when both teams were at their best and. Detroit should've won a few of those series they lost to both teams...I don't see those a bulls squads being able to match up w/either the C's or the Lakers.

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Rjcc
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Fri Mar-06-15 06:19 PM

73. "can both be true?"
In response to Reply # 0

the story of pistons vs. bulls is probably told more for how it ends (jordan ascending) than for the overall record, which counts for something

but.

THE POINT OF THE STORY IS USUALLY JORDAN SUPPLANTING THEM

he's an angry old man, I can dig it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 09:59 PM

81. "fuck outta here...3-1...and isiah wins all time head-to-head, too"
In response to Reply # 73

y'all niggas just can't stick with the facts!!! stop speculating.

angry old man? was zeke the one crying at his HOF induction talmbout how mad he was and wanting to be recognized by his peers?

____________________________________________________

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Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Rjcc
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:33 PM

189. "see? there's no reasoned reaction"
In response to Reply # 81

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:46 PM

201. "i'm not discussing anything outside of 3 straight eliminations"
In response to Reply # 189

because anything other than that is a diversion.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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cgonz00cc
Member since Aug 01st 2002
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Fri Mar-06-15 06:52 PM

77. "why are people still butthurt about the end of the 91 ECF?"
In response to Reply # 0

Were 3 atraight years of the Pistons being the best team in basketball *that* traumatic?

So silly

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JAESCOTT777
Member since Feb 18th 2006
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Fri Mar-06-15 07:15 PM

78. "until they didn't ...then we owned them AND the L for 6 years "
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Mar-06-15 07:17 PM by JAESCOTT777

Cool story tho niggaz

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Fri Mar-06-15 10:17 PM

82. "Three outta four, sure. And then what happened? "
In response to Reply # 0

http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Michael-Jordan-Championship-Rings.jpg

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Basaglia
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Fri Mar-06-15 11:32 PM

84. "who cares? the issue is the "rivalry" with zeke's pistons"
In response to Reply # 82

nobody's talking about all this other shit y'all NEED to make it about.

isiah beat him all-time head-to-head and 3-1 in the playoffs. end of story.

____________________________________________________

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Kyrie: I wasn't.

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Sat Mar-07-15 03:21 PM

99. "No, the Pistons beat the Bulls 3/4 times head to head"
In response to Reply # 84

Zeke was a great player. He was not as great as Jorn. You sound like the Melo Stans right now, though I admit your argument has a spurious undertone that's a lot more compelling than theirs.

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 02:07 PM

143. "No one said Zeke was as great as Jordan"
In response to Reply # 99

What we said was 3-1 and 3 straight eliminations.

If Melo had done that to ANY of his peers, you'd have a fucking point.

But, you don't. You're just aggy with no fucking point at all.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sun Mar-08-15 03:36 PM

147. "The point is that Zeke vs Jordan is not a thing"
In response to Reply # 143

Bulls vs Pistons was a thing, and the same way the Pistons waited their turn to do their thing, the Bulls had to wait their turn to do their thing. And their thing was better.

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:07 PM

158. "The point is NO ONE FUCKING SAID THAT"
In response to Reply # 147

the point is 3-1, with 3 straight eliminations. I have no fucking idea why y'all just can't concede what actually happened without talking about other shit.

Jordan was better. Cool. Isiah eliminated him 3 straight years.

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Mon Mar-09-15 04:52 PM

211. "NO ONE ARGUED IT DIDN'T HAPPEN lol"
In response to Reply # 158

The implication of what that occurrence means is what this thread is about and you're being dishonest about.

Is anyone on earth denying the Pistons beat the Bulls?

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 06:18 PM

214. "if 3 straight ain't owning, then what the hell is owning?"
In response to Reply # 211

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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dula dibiasi
Member since Apr 05th 2004
21925 posts

Fri Mar-06-15 11:45 PM

86. "stupid ass debate imo."
In response to Reply # 82

let these dudes tell it, mike should've been winning chips with sam
vincent and craig hodges.

:-|

mike ain't win shit til he had some dogs next to him. just like zeke
wasn't winning shit w/ some damn tripucka and kent benson and terry
fucking tyler. he eventually got his dogs and then he started
winning. just like jordan. just like every other pantheon cat. some
had they dogs from day 1. some took years to get em. nobody won without em.

i remember cats doing the same stupid shit w/ lebron for years. dude
was better than anyone on the pistons and celtics when he was losing
to them in the playoffs. just ain't have his dogs yet.

jordan was the best player by far in every playoff series he lost to detroit.

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Orbit_Established
Member since Oct 27th 2002
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Sat Mar-07-15 06:54 AM

87. ""'Melo supposed to win with JR Smith" (c) OKS"
In response to Reply # 86

Discuss

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Sat Mar-07-15 03:22 PM

100. "win a playoff series with home court? make the playoffs? yes."
In response to Reply # 87

no one is talking about winning a title (and no one ever will be either).

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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Orbit_Established
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Wed Mar-11-15 08:12 AM

230. "He did win a series with JR Smith. "
In response to Reply # 100

He lost when JR Smith completely vanished (against the
Pacers)

And y'all said it was all Melo fault

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Vex_id
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Sat Mar-07-15 11:09 AM

89. "exact. Cats are bitter that Zeke didn't achieve what MJ did"
In response to Reply # 86

and trying to over-compensate.

shit is silly.

i love it tho.

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dula dibiasi
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Sat Mar-07-15 02:20 PM

97. "jaundiced sclera: still the GoAT madmaker"
In response to Reply # 89

>i love it tho.

it's comical.

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murph71
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Sat Mar-07-15 11:15 AM

90. "RE: stupid ass debate imo."
In response to Reply # 86

>let these dudes tell it, mike should've been winning chips
>with sam
>vincent and craig hodges.
>
>:-|
>
>mike ain't win shit til he had some dogs next to him. just
>like zeke
>wasn't winning shit w/ some damn tripucka and kent benson and
>terry
>fucking tyler. he eventually got his dogs and then he started
>
>winning. just like jordan. just like every other pantheon cat.
>some
>had they dogs from day 1. some took years to get em. nobody
>won without em.
>
>i remember cats doing the same stupid shit w/ lebron for
>years. dude
>was better than anyone on the pistons and celtics when he was
>losing
>to them in the playoffs. just ain't have his dogs yet.
>
>jordan was the best player by far in every playoff series he
>lost to detroit.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And all this doesn't take away from Zeke's greatness....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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Basaglia
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Sat Mar-07-15 11:57 AM

91. "and losing to isiah all-time head-to-head and 3-1 in playoffs"
In response to Reply # 90

doesn't take ONE BIT away from what cheesy E. did. but, it's it's like if a nigga even MENTION zeke sent him home three straight years, we gotta have a whole whiney ass debate.

you don't think i wanna whine about them bullshit call in the 88 finals?

history is history. what happened happened and i ain't tryna sit here and analyze it all to death. let's just leave it at what happened without all these excuses.

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vee-lover
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Sat Mar-07-15 01:08 PM

93. "Mofos in here listing Jordan's entire bio and coppin pleas in the same"
In response to Reply # 91

breath LOL

Zeke was a thorn in that acid-Jean wearing mofos side lmao...that's all it was to it

They can't have it both ways - first the Jordan stans wanna talk abt *his* 6 rings but every time you point out how Zeke and his crew were sending Jordan home 3 straight years oh it was because "he didn't have a supporting cast" or "the Bulls were young"

That's just not how it works when you're easily the best player In the game - anybody that knows the history of Wilt/Russell knows that it has always been pointed out how Wilt could never beat Russell even though Russell had HOFers around him and Wilt didn't in the majority of their head-to-head matchups, so consequently, historians say Russell was > Wilt

Against most teams, Jordan carrying the lion's share of the (scoring) load and getting whatever he could from his supporting cast worked fine...until he faced a team in Detroit where that formula wasn't going to be enough.

Lebron was roundly criticized in Cleveland when he couldn't get past Boston's big 3 and Orlando even though both teams were superior to the Cavs

It's ok to admit Jordan/Bulls lost to Zeke/Pistons...diminishes nothing from his legacy

Jayz lost to Nas but it doesn't take away from anything he accomplished lol

>doesn't take ONE BIT away from what cheesy E. did. but, it's
>it's like if a nigga even MENTION zeke sent him home three
>straight years, we gotta have a whole whiney ass debate.
>
>you don't think i wanna whine about them bullshit call in the
>88 finals?
>
>history is history. what happened happened and i ain't tryna
>sit here and analyze it all to death. let's just leave it at
>what happened without all these excuses.

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Sun Mar-08-15 03:17 PM

146. "Too bad nobody is listening to this sound logic."
In response to Reply # 86

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DJR
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Sat Mar-07-15 12:31 PM

92. "The teams didn't play each other at their respective peaks"
In response to Reply # 82
Sat Mar-07-15 12:44 PM by DJR

The Pistons kicked their ass when they were the best team in basketball, and the Bulls were still up and coming.

The Bulls kicked their ass once they had arrived, and the Pistons had gotten old FAST. The Bulls would've continued to kick their asses if the Pistons could've gotten that far again but they were cooked by that point.

It's an unnecessary debate. The Pistons can hang their hat on back to back titles and beating the young Bulls for years......and the Bulls have no reason to care because they won 6 and their reign lasted much longer though they didn't have to deal with the "next in line" great team the way Boston had Detroit and then Detroit had Chicago.

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Basaglia
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Sat Mar-07-15 02:07 PM

96. "i've said this all along and they take it as a slap"
In response to Reply # 92

jordan avoided the celtics, lakers and pistons in their prime years.

however, zeke faced 'em all and got his two. *shrug*

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dula dibiasi
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Sat Mar-07-15 02:45 PM

98. "lolz"
In response to Reply # 96

so jordan beat the pistons after "vinny was done, laimbeer was done,
buddha was done, and isiah battled injuries all season"

but zeke beat the celtics and lakers "in their prime years"

why i can't even take this shit seriously

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vee-lover
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Sat Mar-07-15 03:36 PM

104. "RE: lolz"
In response to Reply # 98

>so jordan beat the pistons after "vinny was done, laimbeer
>was done,
>buddha was done, and isiah battled injuries all season"

Just look at when all those players you listed retired and that'll answer your own question lol

Most of the core Pistons' players (except Rodman/Dumars) from that team retired within 2-3 seasons from that series lost to the Bulls...

When Zeke beat Bird/C's none of Boston's core players were a few seasons from retirement...except for Kareem, neither were the Lakers either which is why they got back to another finals *w/o* Kareem and w/a rookie Divac...

Isiah was dealing w/injuries throughout the entire 1990-91 season
>
>but zeke beat the celtics and lakers "in their prime years"
>
>why i can't even take this shit seriously

Ya'll making this more complicated than it should be lol

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dula dibiasi
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Sat Mar-07-15 04:39 PM

105. "what are you even arguing?"
In response to Reply # 104

i'm saying that the 1988 celtics (mostly in their 30s, no walton,
backiotomy bird, godawful bench) and the 1989 lakers (no byron,
virtually no magic, 41 yo kareem) which were the iterations of those teams
that isiah's pistons beat, were not "in their primes" like ba is claiming.
they were the worst iterations of those dominant 80s cores.

do you disagree with that?

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vee-lover
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Sat Mar-07-15 05:50 PM

107. "That Detroit battling and subsequently beating the C's/Lakers"
In response to Reply # 105
Sat Mar-07-15 05:54 PM by vee-lover

wasn't nowhere near the same as the Bulls finally getting past the Pistons

Are you forgetting that Detroit shoulda beat Boston in 87, the season *after* Boston had just won a title and Bird winning his 3rd MVP?

They only faced each other 2x - the 2nd meeting Detroit swept Boston

Detroit should've beaten the Lakers, too, if not for a blatant bs call in 88'...and that was in the finals, so you can't say that the Lakers were on the downside at that point, yes Jabbar was, but as I said they went to the finals w/o Kareem *3* years after that 88 series

Those were some highly competing series that felt like they could've gone either way...even though Detroit was initially on the losing side

Detroit OWNED the Bulls until they got old and broken down...those series were lopsided in the beginning

Even the 1989-90 series that went 7 gms didn't leave me thinking that Chicago had a legit chance to win that series due to neither team winning a road gm in the series and gm 7 was in Detroit...so you knew how it would end (especially w/Pippen bitchin out of gm 7 because of a "migraine" lol)

>i'm saying that the 1988 celtics (mostly in their 30s, no
>walton,
>backiotomy bird, godawful bench) and the 1989 lakers (no
>byron,
>virtually no magic, 41 yo kareem) which were the iterations of
>those teams
>that isiah's pistons beat, were not "in their primes" like ba
>is claiming.
>they were the worst iterations of those dominant 80s cores.
>
>do you disagree with that?

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dula dibiasi
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Sat Mar-07-15 07:50 PM

112. "so to recap, detroit didn't beat Cs / lakers "in their primes""
In response to Reply # 107

they beat a celtics team with their 4 best players already in
their 30s, and a bunch of shitty bench players (jim pax, mark
acres, fred roberts, 38 yr old artis gilmore) who weren't even on
the '86 championship team.

and they beat a lakers team without its starting backcourt (scott
missed the entire series, magic was injured midway thru game 2)
and with a 41 year old kareem abdul-jabbar.

>
>Are you forgetting that Detroit shoulda beat Boston in 87
>
>Detroit should've beaten the Lakers, too, if not for a blatant
>bs call in 88
>
>Those were some highly competing series that felt like they
>could've gone either way...even though Detroit was initially
>on the losing side
>

dude... they lost. wtf

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cgonz00cc
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Sun Mar-08-15 04:39 AM

127. "oh jesus."
In response to Reply # 107

So at some point between may 87 and may 88 the celtics went from top of the heap to over the hill?

Got it.

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dula dibiasi
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Sun Mar-08-15 03:44 PM

150. "did DET go from top of the heap to over the hill btwn may 90 and may 91?"
In response to Reply # 127

because that's what ba implies in reply 27: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2426774&mesg_id=2426774&page=#2426852

why didn't you object to that?

>So at some point between may 87 and may 88 the celtics went
>from top of the heap to over the hill?
>
>Got it.
>

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vee-lover
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:19 PM

163. "Rethink your question and ask it again smh"
In response to Reply # 127

>So at some point between may 87 and may 88 the celtics went
>from top of the heap to over the hill?
>
>Got it.
>

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
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Sat Mar-07-15 11:14 PM

117. "they were in there prime...bird was prime is 88 and 89. nah. "
In response to Reply # 105

fuck outta here.

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:56 AM

130. "we are talking 89 and 90 fuck nah he was not in his prime"
In response to Reply # 117

and how about cap? he was a grandfather when detroit swept the lakers.

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 01:53 PM

140. "They got past them in 88...prime Bird. move on."
In response to Reply # 130

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sun Mar-08-15 03:40 PM

148. "And then lost to the Lakers. In 89, Bird played SIX games."
In response to Reply # 140

Surely he was 100% in them 'offs LOL.

You're trying to make it sound like Zeke had this David vs Goliath thing going and he was putting stones between the eyes of Bird, Magic, Cap and Jorn. It wasn't like that.

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dula dibiasi
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Sun Mar-08-15 03:53 PM

151. "i guess context only matters when it matters."
In response to Reply # 148

isiah's pistons beat a worn-out celtics team w/ their 4 best players
already in their 30s and ZERO bench players remaining from the '86
championship team, and a lakers team without their starting backcourt
and with a 41 yr old already-checked-out jabbar.

neither team was "at their prime"

doesn't diminish what they accomplished. just the facts.

(notice that no one had even bothered to pretend to address the laker series)

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:31 PM

166. "All that can be true and guess what? "
In response to Reply # 151

3 straight times isiah sent Jordan home.

What happened happened. We can qualify all day long. I'm cool with walkin off. 2 titles. Old teams. WHATEVER. Isiah beat him more than he beat isiah.

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dula dibiasi
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Sun Mar-08-15 06:00 PM

170. "which is fine, dogg. zeke beat jordan 3 times. cool. conceded."
In response to Reply # 166

not even talking about that.

i'mn talking about the notion that zeke beat the Cs, lakers and bulls
in their primes. the best versions of those teams.

he didn't. he beat lesser versions. celtics were past their peak w/
worn out starters, lakers were injured, and bulls hadn't peaked yet.

notice i'm talking about TEAMS at their best, not indiv players.

and again, this takes NOTHING away from zeke's rings.

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vee-lover
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Sun Mar-08-15 06:34 PM

174. "Jeezus H Christ smh"
In response to Reply # 170

>not even talking about that.
>
>i'mn talking about the notion that zeke beat the Cs, lakers
>and bulls
>in their primes. the best versions of those teams.
>
>he didn't. he beat lesser versions. celtics were past their
>peak w/
>worn out starters, lakers were injured, and bulls hadn't
>peaked yet.
>
>notice i'm talking about TEAMS at their best, not indiv
>players.
>
>and again, this takes NOTHING away from zeke's rings.

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 08:22 PM

175. "NIGGA, that's what the thread is about tho!!!"
In response to Reply # 170

>not even talking about that.

i don't reading past this. i stay FOCUSED. and that's why niggas on this board hate me. i ain't being dragged into some shit past the initial premise.

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dula dibiasi
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Sun Mar-08-15 08:32 PM

178. "o. "
In response to Reply # 175

well, i ain't pressed enough to start a new thread for that shit. so i guess we done.

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:14 PM

160. "And they beat PRIME lakers the next year"
In response to Reply # 148

Like this shit is so ironclad, you really have no where to turn. Your just a typical Zeke hatin bitch. I'm used to it. Any and everything is said to discredit the man because he beat them ALL.

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vee-lover
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:26 PM

164. "No one was saying Bird/Celtics were past their prime in '87 and "
In response to Reply # 148

that is a series that the Pistons shoulda beaten the C's but for Isiah's inbound pass...

Bird won MVP the year before and the Celtics won the title that same year, so I have no idea WTF you and whoever else are coppin pleas abt...seriously

Detroit was on the come-up before Bird/Magic were past their prime smh...

>Surely he was 100% in them 'offs LOL.
>
>You're trying to make it sound like Zeke had this David vs
>Goliath thing going and he was putting stones between the eyes
>of Bird, Magic, Cap and Jorn. It wasn't like that.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sat Mar-07-15 03:24 PM

101. "I seem to recall Jorn torching the Cs for 63."
In response to Reply # 96
Sat Mar-07-15 03:25 PM by ConcreteCharlie

The crazy thing about Jordan's career is that he spent so much of it toiling for bullshit teams. At his physical peak, he was surrounded largely by lucky stiffs.

And Bird was hardly in his prime in the Pistons' title years, lmaoooooo! He was falling apart physically by 88. And Jabbar was on social security by then.

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Sat Mar-07-15 03:27 PM

103. "RE: you realize he and the Bulls were swept in that series "
In response to Reply # 101
Sat Mar-07-15 03:36 PM by vee-lover

>The crazy thing about Jordan's career is that he spent so
>much of it toiling for bullshit teams. At his physical peak,
>he was surrounded largely by lucky stiffs.

Uh that's cuz Jordan *preferred* those "lucky stiffs" because they didn't need the ball and because they wouldn't clog up the middle

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:54 AM

129. "sure"
In response to Reply # 103

i am certain he hand-picked brad sellers, will perdue (aka will vanderbilt), stacey king, et al. they even drafted busts for OTHER teams (keith lee, olden polynice).

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 02:03 PM

142. "Why bring it up then? What was your point?"
In response to Reply # 129

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sun Mar-08-15 03:56 PM

152. "busted sarcasm detector?"
In response to Reply # 142

what vee said was stupid and i was making fun of it.

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LA2Philly
Member since Oct 18th 2004
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Sat Mar-07-15 01:26 PM

94. "I honestly don't even understand what's being debated in here "
In response to Reply # 0

The Pistons were much farther along in their maturation than the Bulls. How can you make reasonable attributions when the teams were at completely different stages in their development?

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Sat Mar-07-15 01:45 PM

95. "I guess that's what Isiah meant by saying it wasn't a rivalry but these...."
In response to Reply # 94
Sat Mar-07-15 02:10 PM by Billy Ray Valentine

Jordan fans get all in they fee-fees but Kang coming for that GOAT title anyway

"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Sat Mar-07-15 03:26 PM

102. "You're Zeke and you have a Napoleon complex."
In response to Reply # 94

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Basaglia
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Sat Mar-07-15 05:04 PM

106. "Napoleon lost. Zeke didn't. "
In response to Reply # 102

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Vex_id
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Sat Mar-07-15 06:23 PM

109. "it's all good - somebody's gotta stick up for the less Great guy"
In response to Reply # 102

it's touching Zeke has his *small* contingent of ardent fanboys who
do their best to try to post him as within the ballpark of Jordan
Greatness. Sort of reminds of how a few guys here love to overhype
Kyverson and try to elevate him to Kang status. It's cute.

and Zeke didn't even go to Dook. Imagine that.

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vee-lover
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Sat Mar-07-15 07:02 PM

110. "Which is why you can't praise the 'little guy' enough "
In response to Reply # 109
Sat Mar-07-15 07:04 PM by vee-lover

The fact that a 6-1 PG was giving it to Jordan and Co. year in and year out tells you everything you need to know abt the GREATNESS of Zeke

And for the record, Isiah *shouldn't* be in the same "ball park" of greatness as Jordan considering he was 6-1 185 compared to Jordan who was 6-6 215...he didn't have the size of Jordan nor the athleticism

BUT make no mistake abt it, he was GREAT w/o question, there's a reason why no other 6-1 PG has led their team to a championship since Isiah did it (twice)

>it's touching Zeke has his *small* contingent of ardent
>fanboys who
>do their best to try to post him as within the ballpark of
>Jordan
>Greatness. Sort of reminds of how a few guys here love to
>overhype
>Kyverson and try to elevate him to Kang status. It's cute.
>
>and Zeke didn't even go to Dook. Imagine that.
>
>-->

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
Member since May 22nd 2007
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Sat Mar-07-15 07:21 PM

111. "RE: Which is why you can't praise the 'little guy' enough "
In response to Reply # 110

Okay, okay, I think I got it...you are saying that;

Isiah Thomas was an al-time great player who achieved a lot, especially considering his size.

and

Michael Jordan was arguably the greatest basketball player of all time.

Sounds good to me. Book it!

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Basaglia
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Sat Mar-07-15 11:10 PM

116. "and don't forget the "GOAT" lost more times to zeke...period"
In response to Reply # 111

zeke beat him more than he beat zeke and zeke sent his ass home 3 straight playoffs

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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Sun Mar-08-15 10:01 AM

136. "RE: and don't forget the "GOAT" lost more times to zeke...period"
In response to Reply # 116

>zeke beat him more than he beat zeke and zeke sent his ass
>home 3 straight playoffs

Put your footnotes wherever you want my man. You pressed as hell.

Any type of extra feelings Bulls fans had about Isiah and them were exorcised when those bammas ran off the court in defeat, eyes averted, shame burning they cheeks.

I was in my living room chuckling like Ho Chi Minh watching a live feed of Americans fighting to get on that last chopper out of Saigon. Motherfuckers hanging off the runners and shit. BYE!!!!!!!

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
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Sun Mar-08-15 01:50 PM

139. "Footnotes is everything in this thread outside 3-1"
In response to Reply # 136

That's what Isiah talked about and y'all have talked about everything but that.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.

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muzuabo
Member since Dec 03rd 2009
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Sun Mar-08-15 03:57 PM

153. "C'mon."
In response to Reply # 116

These two weren't playing each other one on one. And you could argue that Dumars was the real reason they were able to keep Jordan and company at bay for as long as they did. Then Jordan bulked up so he could take the beaten the Pistons were handing out.

This is a fucking TEAM game. Your agenda is cool and it's good for some laughs but let's not get carried away.

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:27 PM

165. "You're close but you left out how Zeke routinely kicked MJ's ass"
In response to Reply # 111

>Okay, okay, I think I got it...you are saying that;
>
>Isiah Thomas was an al-time great player who achieved a lot,
>especially considering his size.
>
>and
>
>Michael Jordan was arguably the greatest basketball player of
>all time.
>
>
>
>Sounds good to me. Book it!

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
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Sun Mar-08-15 08:42 PM

179. "exactly...all i keep hearing about is what he did AFTER isiah"
In response to Reply # 165

this thread ain't about all that. zeke said his team ain't have a rivalry wit jordan's, because his team essentially dominated the meetings until injuries wore them down. well, there is a record to back what he said. bottomline.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.

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LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
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Sun Mar-08-15 07:05 AM

131. "that's true in a lot of situations tho... doesn't change people from "
In response to Reply # 94
Sun Mar-08-15 07:05 AM by LegacyNS

saying team A beat team B. I just don't get why people are so overprotective of Jordan. I mean, I cheered for him in the 90s just like everyone else but the Pistons used to kick their ass, period. Why does there have to be 1,001 cliff notes on why it happened? - lol

Plus, when you think about the Lakers winning w/ Magic as a rook and the Spurs winning w/ Tim as a rook I kinda think people are going out of their way to contextualize the ass kickings because it was Jordan. Again, in no way does it take away from what he went on to do later.

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Vex_id
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Sun Mar-08-15 09:30 AM

134. "lol see this is where it's ridiculous:"
In response to Reply # 131

>Plus, when you think about the Lakers winning w/ Magic as a
>rook and the Spurs winning w/ Tim as a rook I kinda think
>people are going out of their way to contextualize the ass
>kickings because it was Jordan. Again, in no way does it take
>away from what he went on to do later.

umm...you mean Magic winning w/ fucking Kareem on his team in
his first year? And Duncan winning with David Robinson?

Yea, that doesn't matter at all lol.

Jordan was playing with D-leaguers when Zeke was playing with virtually
a handful of all-stars/hall-of-famers - but yea, that doesn't matter either.

Damn i didn't know OKS was so resentful of the GOAT's greatness, even more
reason for me to continue to tune into this bizarro-world.

....I love it tho.

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LegacyNS
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Sun Mar-08-15 02:31 PM

144. "Magic had Kareem on his team every year.. did they win every year? - lol"
In response to Reply # 134

The point was that it's possible to have a team that can win early on. That's it. You tried to make it something that it wasn't because I guess like most you feel the need to justify Zeke kicking Jordan ass. - lol

I don't get why ppl feel the need to do it but carry on.

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Warren Coolidge
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Sun Mar-08-15 12:46 AM

120. "here's the "owned" .gif..."
In response to Reply # 0

http://gifyu.com/images/isiahbowshead.gif

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
49463 posts

Sun Mar-08-15 12:55 AM

122. "3 straight years of eliminating jordan. "
In response to Reply # 120

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Warren Coolidge
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Sun Mar-08-15 12:59 AM

123. "so can Karl Malone say he owned Shaq and Kobe"
In response to Reply # 122

because they eliminated the Lakers and Kobe was throwin up air balls??

again...great player...great career...but when those opponents earned their stripes...they surpassed him..

Jordan and Bulls surpassed Isiah and them...

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 04:29 AM

124. "If he eliminated them 3 straight, he can"
In response to Reply # 123

____________________________________________________

Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Beezo
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Sun Mar-08-15 08:20 AM

132. "The look on Jordan's face"
In response to Reply # 120

<---
Fuck a sig, my presence is enough.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
Member since May 22nd 2007
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Sun Mar-08-15 09:54 AM

135. "RE: The look on Jordan's face"
In response to Reply # 132

My man looked like snitch ducking out the back of the courthouse in a convoy of US Marshalls.

witness protection status.

I lived through all those Bulls-Pistons series and I can honestly say, this exact moment was as sweet as any title that they won. Seriously.

The disgust in the voices of the announcers. The "these-nigguhs-here" look on Jordan's face. The shame that was palpable as our greatest foes embarassed themselves in a moment of truth that spoke to the character of their team...

It was a beautiful thing.

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Vex_id
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Sun Mar-08-15 09:24 AM

133. "lol Zeke couldn't even stand straight and look at the God in his face"
In response to Reply # 120

shit was so sad.

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southphillyman
Member since Oct 22nd 2003
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:52 PM

203. "walked out like a true bitch"
In response to Reply # 133

i can't believe this thread did these kinds of numbers though
3-1 or not the hierarchy of their respective legacies/dynasties is already set in stone

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:53 PM

204. "that's great, but 3-1"
In response to Reply # 203

____________________________________________________

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Kyrie: I wasn't.

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Cenario
Member since Aug 24th 2005
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Wed Mar-11-15 08:01 AM

227. "lol"
In response to Reply # 120

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 02:01 PM

141. "This issue will never be about what it's about"
In response to Reply # 0
Sun Mar-08-15 02:02 PM by Basaglia

And that's why I love bringing it up. GOAT sent home 3 straight by a 5-10 nigga wit nappy S-curl.

All Jordan's greatness (built against 3rd tier HOFers) cannot undue what happened.

And I hope LeBron goes on a run in his 30s when Timmy and Kobe done, D12 and Melo declining, KD AND Russ implode. I hope he wins 5 more while all these young niggas (AD, Wiggins, Bari, Giannis, Philly whole team) ain't ready, so I can't poplock to the whining fantastic from Jordan fans, mad he had no real resistance.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.

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murph71
Member since Sep 15th 2005
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Sun Mar-08-15 02:32 PM

145. "RE: This issue will never be about what it's about"
In response to Reply # 141

>And that's why I love bringing it up. GOAT sent home 3
>straight by a 5-10 nigga wit nappy S-curl.
>
>All Jordan's greatness (built against 3rd tier HOFers) cannot
>undue what happened.
>
>And I hope LeBron goes on a run in his 30s when Timmy and Kobe
>done, D12 and Melo declining, KD AND Russ implode. I hope he
>wins 5 more while all these young niggas (AD, Wiggins, Bari,
>Giannis, Philly whole team) ain't ready, so I can't poplock to
>the whining fantastic from Jordan fans, mad he had no real
>resistance.

*blinks*

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
38095 posts

Sun Mar-08-15 03:41 PM

149. "haha - iono about Bron tho, them youngins already kickin him in the nuts..."
In response to Reply # 141
Sun Mar-08-15 03:42 PM by LegacyNS

these lil fucks mean bidness.. lol
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dula dibiasi
Member since Apr 05th 2004
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Sun Mar-08-15 03:57 PM

155. "there's no way in hell lebron wins 5 more rings."
In response to Reply # 149

i'd bet fifty thousand dollars that that doesn't happen. that's how confident i am.

he's only won 2 in 11 yrs. what, is he playing another 30?

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:15 PM

161. "By that logic, Jordan's six were impossible"
In response to Reply # 155

I mean it's incredibly unlikely but if Bron were get No. 3 this year, I would say it puts seven chips at least somewhere on the radar. Improbable for sure but he is in a good situation and still young enough to compete another 7-8 seasons at a high level.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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dula dibiasi
Member since Apr 05th 2004
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Sun Mar-08-15 06:03 PM

171. "it's not happening."
In response to Reply # 161

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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes

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ConcreteCharlie
Member since Nov 21st 2002
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Mon Mar-09-15 04:53 PM

212. "yeah i mean 95% no, maybe more."
In response to Reply # 171

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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Cenario
Member since Aug 24th 2005
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Wed Mar-11-15 08:03 AM

228. "you never know dude...you see him staying in cleveland for the rest"
In response to Reply # 171

of his life hands down. i can see him jumping from ship to ship tryna collect jewelry ala Ray Allen

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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LegacyNS
Member since Jan 16th 2004
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Sun Mar-08-15 06:05 PM

172. "I think this year is critical for another run like he had in Miami.."
In response to Reply # 155

but no... not 5 more regardless. You already posted his advanced stats in the MVP post. He's start to come back to the pack some even though he's still a centerpiece for a championship team.

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ConcreteCharlie
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Sun Mar-08-15 03:57 PM

154. "K"
In response to Reply # 141

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:33 PM

198. "furious styles"
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icecold21
Member since Jan 18th 2008
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Sun Mar-08-15 04:09 PM

156. "Nobody would question him on it if he didn't walk off the way he did"
In response to Reply # 0

Looking at the big picture, he was right, they owned the Bulls, but the walk off when they were finally beat just makes him look like asshole, and that's what gets remembered most in that rivalry. And he's still not gracious about it even today so it's not like that perspective is ever going to change.

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:07 PM

157. "If you know the reason why he and the Pistons walked off "
In response to Reply # 156
Sun Mar-08-15 05:32 PM by vee-lover

the court then it's understandable why they did what they did

I still want to know, though, why it was a big deal when Isiah and the Pistons walked off the court vs the Bulls but not a word was said when Boston walked off the court against the Pistons before the game was over

And for the record: Jordan was on a Detroit radio station impugning the Pistons player's character as *men* all because they played a physical style of basketball - yeah I woulda said fuck him too

Their style of play was rough and tough and right up to the edge of the line as far as the rules, but they never jeopardized a player's career or took a player out of a game....and when we criticize the game today, it's because it's not played w/the same level of physical play that the game had in the 80s, the style of play that the Pistons are credited w/ushering in lol (go figure)

And the funny thing abt that is Jordan credits the Pistons on showing him how to play *winning basketball* because of how they played against him/Bulls

Isiah is the only player from that "golden era" that can say he routinely kicked Jordan/Bulls ass...and folks in this post refuse to accept that fact w/o bringing up Jordan's entire bio lol

>Looking at the big picture, he was right, they owned the
>Bulls, but the walk off when they were finally beat just makes
>him look like asshole, and that's what gets remembered most in
>that rivalry. And he's still not gracious about it even today
>so it's not like that perspective is ever going to change.

grassrootsphilosopher

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icecold21
Member since Jan 18th 2008
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:39 PM

167. "So that justifies him not being the bigger man?"
In response to Reply # 157

cause Mike said some shit on a radio station about them being too physical?

Please.

He walked off because he was mad he got beat.

He still whooped his ass in the 80's and got 2 rings, there was no need for that shit. Like I said, if he didn't pull that then the rivalry would be remembered differently.

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vee-lover
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:44 PM

168. "Man, to hell w/that 'bigger man' BS - like I said, mofos won't let Isiah"
In response to Reply # 167
Sun Mar-08-15 05:51 PM by vee-lover

live that ish down but nothing was said when the white boy did the exact same thing to him/Pistons

Since when is it expected for someone to be the "bigger man" when someone is openly and publicly disrespecting you (in your own hometown)?? I thought it was perfectly understandable why the Pistons did what they did

Shaking hands after a game is vastly overrated anyway

WTF wants to shake hands anyway right after you just engaged in an intense and heated playoff series w/a team that dislikes you and you dislike them

>cause Mike said some shit on a radio station about them being
>too physical?
>
>Please.
>
>He walked off because he was mad he got beat.
>
>He still whooped his ass in the 80's and got 2 rings, there
>was no need for that shit. Like I said, if he didn't pull that
>then the rivalry would be remembered differently.

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Warren Coolidge
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Sun Mar-08-15 08:31 PM

177. "the reason?? dude you way over thinking this..."
In response to Reply # 157

>the court then it's understandable why they did what they
>did
>
>I still want to know, though, why it was a big deal when Isiah
>and the Pistons walked off the court vs the Bulls but not a
>word was said when Boston walked off the court against the
>Pistons before the game was over
>
>And for the record: Jordan was on a Detroit radio station
>impugning the Pistons player's character as *men* all because
>they played a physical style of basketball - yeah I woulda
>said fuck him too
>
>Their style of play was rough and tough and right up to the
>edge of the line as far as the rules, but they never
>jeopardized a player's career or took a player out of a
>game....and when we criticize the game today, it's because
>it's not played w/the same level of physical play that the
>game had in the 80s, the style of play that the Pistons are
>credited w/ushering in lol (go figure)
>
>And the funny thing abt that is Jordan credits the Pistons on
>showing him how to play *winning basketball* because of how
>they played against him/Bulls
>
>
>Isiah is the only player from that "golden era" that can say
>he routinely kicked Jordan/Bulls ass...and folks in this post
>refuse to accept that fact w/o bringing up Jordan's entire bio
>lol
>
>
>>Looking at the big picture, he was right, they owned the
>>Bulls, but the walk off when they were finally beat just
>makes
>>him look like asshole, and that's what gets remembered most
>in
>>that rivalry. And he's still not gracious about it even
>today
>>so it's not like that perspective is ever going to change.

it's obvious WHY he did it..

it was a sign of disrespect. He's known to lack a certain level of sportsmanship and displayed that many times before and after he walked off the court...

they got their ass whupped and they weren't man enough to admit it.. as much props as they get for being so-called tough...they showed their true colors there..or at lease zeke and laimbeer did...

that ain't going out on their shield..that's going out like a batch..

and please... the Pistons didn't try to hurt people???

get out of here man.... Laimbeer was putting choke hold take downs on guys....Rodman pushing Pippen off the end of the court from behind..

you need to watch that bad boys doc again player..

they crossed the line many times with their style of play...

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
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Mon Mar-09-15 03:08 PM

206. "There's nothing to "over think" - ya'll Jordan stans are pathetic, plain"
In response to Reply # 177
Mon Mar-09-15 03:27 PM by vee-lover

and simple...

Funny how you and the other wrongheaded dudes keep talking abt Isiah not shaking Jordan/Bulls hands after the series...but none of you have offered nary a word in defense of Bird/Celtics when they did the exact same thing...

The problem is you all follow the dictate of the sports media...and since the media hasn't let Isiah live this down, therefore you all act like what Isiah did was so awful, unforgivable, and "unsportsmanlike" when in fact it was more abt Jordan disrespecting them as "men," questioning their character because they were whoopin his ass repeatedly...

And just to prove my point, I'mma show you and the other MJ STANS how *hypocritical* ya'll are. See, you and all the other dudes stannin for Jordan forgot that that mofo DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO MOURNING/HEAT in the playoffs...because he felt Zo *disrespected* the Bulls and was getting too physical w/their players...the only difference is he did it at the tip-off instead of at the end of the gm. The media didn't criticize Jordan one bit when it happened (but I did because I remember thinking what's the difference between what Jordan did vs Isiah) therefore no one else said anything...but that's what I'm hear for: to show you and other stans the error in your ways...

A Ritual Loses Its Grip http://nyti.ms/18vZ3HG

Now, tell me how is that not unsportsmanlike if you're being consistent? Oh because it's Jordan

>>>Looking at the big picture, he was right, they owned the
>>>Bulls, but the walk off when they were finally beat just
>>makes
>>>him look like asshole, and that's what
>it was a sign of disrespect. He's known to lack a certain
>level of sportsmanship and displayed that many times before
>and after he walked off the court...

What other team did the Pistons do this too when they lost? Get back to me on that...
>
>they got their ass whupped and they weren't man enough to
>admit it.. as much props as they get for being so-called
>tough...they showed their true colors there..or at lease zeke
>and laimbeer did...

But they never did that to any other team when they were defeated...but now all of a sudden they can't accept losing

It's obvious you don't hold Jordan responsible for his DISRESPECTFUL comments abt the Pistons...but it's ok because I know how these MJ stans are
>
>that ain't going out on their shield..that's going out like a
>batch..

K
>
>and please... the Pistons didn't try to hurt people???
>
>get out of here man.... Laimbeer was putting choke hold take
>downs on guys....Rodman pushing Pippen off the end of the
>court from behind..

Name me a player they injured that affected their career because of it? Show me a clip of the Pistons, for all their "rough and dirty play," doing anything that was as dirty as McHale clothes-hanging Rambis in mid-air? And again, I can't mention enough how in one breath ppl criticize the Pistons' style of play but then talk abt how today's players don't play w/the same level of toughness and physicality that players played w/in the 80s (specifically the "Bad Boys")
>
>you need to watch that bad boys doc again player..

Nah, I watched them play and was already familiar w/their story...and I actaully saw them play...
>
>they crossed the line many times with their style of play...

Like I said, did they do anything that was more flagrant than what McHale did to Rambis who could've gotten seriously hurt....
>

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Warren Coolidge
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Tue Mar-10-15 01:09 PM

221. "lolol... I just realized you called me a Jordan - stan..."
In response to Reply # 206

get your eyes off the script brother... you're not seeing who you talkin too...lol.

Jordan??

come on man...

I'm a Laker fan... you know this already.

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Cenario
Member since Aug 24th 2005
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Wed Mar-11-15 08:06 AM

229. "lolol"
In response to Reply # 221

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
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Wed Mar-11-15 11:51 AM

234. "But that's what you're doing when criticize Isiah for not shaking"
In response to Reply # 221

hands w/the Bulls players after that series...but you (and others) don't criticize Bird/Celtics for not shaking the Pistons' player's hand after their series ended

nor did you even try and offer a reason or excuse as to why it's apparently ok for Jordan to display unsportsmanlike behavior towards Zo/Heat in their 97' series...when he *refused* to shake hands before the tip-off

And I know why: because it's been the media who refuses to let this story die down and as a result ppl act as if what Isiah did was so egregious when there's several examples as I pointed out of other players who have done the same thing but the media didn't make a big deal out of it so fans didn't either

Remeber how the media drove that non-story of Bron not shaking hands w/Howard after their series and remeber how ppl on this board were acting like it was awful that Lebron didn't Shake hands....

>get your eyes off the script brother... you're not seeing who
>you talkin too...lol.
>
>Jordan??
>
>come on man...
>
>I'm a Laker fan... you know this already.

grassrootsphilosopher

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Basaglia
Member since Nov 30th 2004
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Sun Mar-08-15 05:16 PM

162. "No one questions Bird when he walked off in 88"
In response to Reply # 156

Logically, there is simply no where to turn.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
Member since May 22nd 2007
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Sun Mar-08-15 08:46 PM

180. "RE: No one questions Bird when he walked off in 88"
In response to Reply # 162

Post aint about Bird. We're focused, remember?

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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Basaglia
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Sun Mar-08-15 09:57 PM

181. "apparently, the post about walking off, not 3 straight eliminations"
In response to Reply # 180

3-1, 3 straight exits.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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Mon Mar-09-15 11:52 AM

183. "RE: apparently, the post about walking off, not 3 straight eliminations"
In response to Reply # 181

And here I thought the post was about a rivalry...which we all know can exist even if one team wins more than the other.

So yeah, let's really focus.

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 11:54 AM

185. "cool. if you wanna say it was a rivalry...pistons won 3-1"
In response to Reply # 183

bye.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:04 PM

186. "RE: cool. if you wanna say it was a rivalry...pistons won 3-1"
In response to Reply # 185

>bye.

Glad you were able to admit it and finally end this misguided post. Have a wonderful day and please sign the guestbook on your way out.

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murph71
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:26 PM

188. "RE: cool. if you wanna say it was a rivalry...pistons won 3-1"
In response to Reply # 186

>>bye.
>
>
>Glad you were able to admit it and finally end this misguided
>post. Have a wonderful day and please sign the guestbook on
>your way out.

lol....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:36 PM

190. "finally? i've been consistent the ENTIRE time. "
In response to Reply # 186
Mon Mar-09-15 12:48 PM by Basaglia

i wasn't the one bringing up EVERYTHING but the 4 series those two teams played in 4 straight postseasons.

i've always been able to simply STICK TO THE ISSUE on this board. i prefer it that way. i don't enjoy clutter.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:50 PM

192. "RE: finally? i've been consistent the ENTIRE time. "
In response to Reply # 190

>i wasn't the one bringing up EVERYTHING but this 4 series
>those two teams played in 4 straight postseasons.

You were talking about all types of other stuff. If you had just said "yes it was a rivalry, and the Pistons got the better of it" this post would be on page 12 already.

But okay, good, we have established that "Yes, it was most definitely a rivalry"

and your other point, which is in and of itself, ancillary to the fact of whether it was a rivalry, is something no one disputes. The Pistons were indeed better than the Bulls during the rivalry. Then when the Bulls became the better team, the Pistons plunged off the map completely and the Bulls went on to dominate the league.

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:54 PM

193. "you can't find where i said IT WASN'T, dogg. "
In response to Reply # 192

>>i wasn't the one bringing up EVERYTHING but this 4 series
>>those two teams played in 4 straight postseasons.
>
>You were talking about all types of other stuff.

no, i wasn't. i just kept repeating the pistons kicked they ass and y'all took it elsewhere.

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Beamer6178
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Mon Mar-09-15 11:47 AM

182. "Hey guys, Venus OWNED Serena.....until she grew up"
In response to Reply # 0

Most everyone realizes the same championship fire that was forged in Detroit came from battling the Celtics and Lakers. Similarly, the Bulls, gradual improvement over 3 straight playoff losses helped to make them the dynasty they became.

But since it's fucking obvious that these 4 teams and their respective players were at different levels of development/advancement and we'll never know HOW all of these teams would have been if they were the same "age," why all the petty ass hair splitting?

Nevermind, this OKSports and y'all niggas is bored, that's why.

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 11:53 AM

184. "no, serena leads that series all-time. not the case with zeke-jordan"
In response to Reply # 182

failure.

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Beamer6178
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:13 PM

187. "because venus played long enough for her to catch up and surpass"
In response to Reply # 184

>failure.
>
so it can be said that zeke got more wins "first" over someone he's two years older than and didn't last long enough for the score to be evened. not that jordan COULDN't have evened the rivalry or surpassed him overall, right? cause that's the bullshit ass story that's being trumpeted. Not that the pistons had an incredible run or that he was a once in a lifetime player/leader, but that they "owned" the Bulls before the Bulls went HAM on the league and sat the fuck down right after being vanquished.

cause once you pull the petty ball of string, that shit can go for quite awhile.

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:36 PM

191. "well, that's tennis and this is basketball...3-1"
In response to Reply # 187

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Beamer6178
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Mon Mar-09-15 12:56 PM

194. "suspect arguments transcend specific sports"
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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 01:02 PM

195. "idiotic. 5 players play basketball. 1 person plays tennis. REAL DUMB. "
In response to Reply # 194

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rl9
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Mon Mar-09-15 03:02 PM

205. "yet u are the one with the tennis arguments LOL"
In response to Reply # 195

zeke vs. mj 3-1.
game. set. match. i guess...itzoweezee...

btw, i'm a Zeke fan and even liked the Pistons.
but yeah, this is idiotic.

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 03:09 PM

207. "i can only go by the times they played"
In response to Reply # 205

again...i ain't say isiah was a better player. jordan was better WITHOUT QUALIFICATION. i said isiah beat jordan more times than jordan beat him.

is what it is.

if nobody wanna entertain what isiah woulda done to jordan if he was 6-4+, then i don't wanna hear about who jordan had when he had 'em

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rl9
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Mon Mar-09-15 03:45 PM

208. "lol yeah, it's not tennis."
In response to Reply # 207

i said isiah beat jordan more
>times than jordan beat him.
>
>is what it is.
>
>if nobody wanna entertain what isiah woulda done to jordan if
>he was 6-4+, then i don't wanna hear about who jordan had when
>he had 'em

lol all of these guys developed their specific game because of their bodies. their ability is never seperated from that. so speculating what would've been if jordan had shaq's body is pointless.

and i don't even know what the big issue is anyway. The Pistons always were in MJs narrative when he described the hump that the Bulls finally overcame in 91.

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 03:47 PM

209. "speculating what jordan would done to the 89 pistons with the 92 bulls"
In response to Reply # 208

is lame

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Beamer6178
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Tue Mar-10-15 06:29 PM

224. "hmmmm...."
In response to Reply # 195

>
yet you say "zeke beat jordan" as if it was one on one, not "the pistons beat the bulls"

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Basaglia
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Wed Mar-11-15 10:22 AM

231. "so? you mad? zeke booted him 3 straight years...not 1, not 2..."
In response to Reply # 224

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Beamer6178
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Wed Mar-11-15 05:18 PM

235. "you've lost track of your own incensed posts at this point"
In response to Reply # 231

>

the hatred is blinding all your senses at this point.

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astralblak
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:21 PM

196. "this post is a fucn mess. jesus"
In response to Reply # 0

if y'all can't concede to what Dula wrote 2/3rds down in this thread, you have no objectivity

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:44 PM

200. "why should anyone concede to qualifications? "
In response to Reply # 196

i refuse to get in the weeds...EVER AGAIN...on this board, because it never results in FACTS.

3-1 is facts. don't care about who had who and when they had 'em.

i've conceded to everything that ain't about 3-1 and 3 straight eliminations, because I DON'T CARE about the rest of it.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:43 PM

199. "RE: Zeke: "Bulls-Pistons wasn't a rivalry. We owned them (video)""
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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 02:49 PM

202. "yes, a rivalry that they won handily...i never said different"
In response to Reply # 199
Mon Mar-09-15 02:49 PM by Basaglia

this post went off course because the Gouda God's infallibility gets cut down when isiah and the pistons get brought up.

zeke threw dat spear and cut Da Cheese Wiz mouth from 88-90. three straight. GOOD!

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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Mon Mar-09-15 10:18 PM

220. "RE: yes, a rivalry that they won handily...i never said different"
In response to Reply # 202

>this post went off course because the Gouda God's
>infallibility gets cut down when isiah and the pistons get
>brought up.
>
>zeke threw dat spear and cut Da Cheese Wiz mouth from 88-90.
>three straight. GOOD!

Shit, like I said, IM GLAD THEY LOST THOSE

Because when they bust the Pistons ass and them dudes slunk off the court like they pockets just got rabbiteared outside the movie theater on a Friday night...IT WAS THAT MUCH SWEETER.

THEN WE WON SIX

Three in a row? Take it and go with God, my son.

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Basaglia
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Tue Mar-10-15 01:18 PM

222. "that's all you had to say...be happy with 6. i'm happy with 3 straight. "
In response to Reply # 220

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SoWhat
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Mon Mar-09-15 04:01 PM

210. "po baby! bless his heart."
In response to Reply # 0

he clearly needs to hang on to those victories. b/c he doesn't have much else. or, he doesn't have as much as Jordan.

po thang.

but yes, him and the Pistons did beat Jordan and the Bulls 3x in the playoffs. and then what happened? LOL.

po thang.

he needs this. he can have it.

he beat Jordan 3x - and Jordan is STILL a greater player and is more revered than he.

bless his heart.

fuck you.

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Warren Coolidge
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Mon Mar-09-15 09:52 PM

218. "Celtics walking off court against pistons "
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http://gifyu.com/images/celticswalkoff.mpg.gif

a lil different,no?

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Basaglia
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Mon Mar-09-15 10:10 PM

219. "dumars did the same...so?"
In response to Reply # 218

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Warren Coolidge
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Tue Mar-10-15 02:45 PM

223. "so Dumars got class and sportsmanship and Zeke don't..."
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got it..

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Basaglia
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Wed Mar-11-15 07:50 AM

226. "mchale got class and sportsmanship and bird don't...cool. "
In response to Reply # 223

as long as we consistent, i really don't care.

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Warren Coolidge
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Wed Mar-11-15 10:39 AM

232. "yeah you care.... any chance to promote an image contrary "
In response to Reply # 226

to the widely accepted opinion that Isaiah is a jerk ...unsportsmanlike....and brought much of his negative perception on himself..any chance you have to counter that, you gonna make a post about it....

like owning the Bulls....

look...Jordan is one of the greats...won 6 titles....revolutionized the marketing of the game into a worldwide entity.... so really the little dirty-mackin style the Pistons came with to eliminate the Bulls before they won their first of 6 titles...in the big picture isn't too relevant.... and Isaiah talking about he "owned" Jordan and the Bulls comes across as a desperate fantasy laced effort to improve an image that is tainted primarily because of one Isaiah Thomas...

let me give you an example....

one of our rival high schools here, San Pedro High School beat us for 20 consecutive years in football.. from well before I was in high school myself, to well after...we didn't win one game against them.....

we tied them in the LA Coliseum in 2008 for the city title....but since then they've beaten us maybe once or twice....we've gone on to win multiple City titles and are one of the premiere High School football programs in the country currently.... yet when San Pedro plays us...they walk around like "they own us" right today... We aren't even really on the same level anymore, but what they did in the past ..in their minds..is still relevant today... they don't realize how foolish they look trying to act like they're running anything.... like desperate old men talking about how they used to ball out when they were wearing leather helmets or no face masks...

Zeke talking about owning somebody that surpassed him by miles and miles looks just as foolish...

that being said...Isaiah was a great player...a great leader.... his story of overcoming his environment and his mother's efforts with him is inspirational.... as much as I'm not really a fan of the guy, I've argued many times in his favor that he was a greater player than the likes of say an Allen Iverson... no question....one of the greatest...and even though his exclusion from the Dream team was his own fault....it was a d*ck move by Jordan and he very much deserved to be on that team....

but saying he owned Jordan and the Bulls is just foolish...desperate..and embaracing...

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Basaglia
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Wed Mar-11-15 11:50 AM

233. "eh...just stay consistent"
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Kyrie: I wasn't.

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